I realised after it was too late that I forgot to mention the price of the 40CD in the video sorry about that amateur mistake, its £2995 The CD's mentioned in the video - Fascination with sound geni.us/BAgy3D Rudimental Home geni.us/Nb6S Dont forget to check out the other Cyrus 40 series reviews 40 CD th-cam.com/video/6da8xHMnJxo/w-d-xo.html 40 AMP th-cam.com/video/D5yvKXmOiEk/w-d-xo.html 40 ST th-cam.com/video/YhQ44naJGUc/w-d-xo.html 40 PSU Thanks for watching the video.
I returned to using CDs as my main source in April of this year. A few years ago I had sold my CD player thinking that I was always going to be using streaming services and digital files on my computer. I became annoyed with the streaming services changing things, replacing a favoured album with a remixed version for example. So I started buying CDs and ripping them to my Mac, then playing them with Audirvana. Well after a year or two of that I started reading reports that CD players sounded better for some people than streaming or playing files on the computer, so I bought my Teac VRDS 701T CD transport in April and I use that with my DAC. I am so glad I did. I think the sound I'm getting with this source is the best I have ever had in my life and I'll mentioned that I had my first Hi Fi system as a teenager in the 70s. Now I'm buying CDs on Discogs each week. It is such a cheap way to get music and because CDs are very robust you can buy second-hand ones and it is pretty rare that you'll have a problem. I think if you have a DAC already then maybe you should look at getting a CD transport.
i have 7 DAC but are inside my 7 cd players i bought all my life and i´m not going to pay 500€ for a external DAC to get the same quality of a internal dac that with same quality costs 35€ + 15€ of instalation not that i don´t know how to do it but i outsourced it, i´m old and taking my teeth seems a dificult task much more weld tiny things in electric devices
I have not stopped buying and enjoying CDs since 1986, SACDs from 1999 and Blu Ray audio discs since 2013. I have never streamed music. Listening to my silver discs is my best source of pleasure!
Very good review Terry. Yesterday experienced the 40-series at the Dutch Audio Event here in the Netherlands. In combination with Audio Physic Tempo speakers this new Cyrus set blew me away. By the way, I still buy and listen to CDs. I also stream (Qobuz via Roon), but my Accuphase CD player still beats my Roon server/streamer from Silent Angel (Rhein Z1) with separate PSU from SBooster. But the differences are sometimes very small …;-).
Good review. I never abandoned CDs and it is still my preferred listening experience at home. Streaming is for the car/on the go. The relationship with streaming is different to physical media- I tend to skip and disappear down rabbit holes searching out "new" artists and music that if I like means I just have to buy a physical copy where possible. It has only supersized my spending on discs! Vinyl is ok once in a while but in all honesty I can't be bothered with all the faffing around and high maintenance it requires- so many tedious rituals. I must say throughout the video I was distracted and puzzled by the two refrigerators sitting in the room- until you pointed out they were indeed speakers...
I no longer own a cd player, however yesterday I played some cd’s through my old play station 2 and was surprised how good they sound compared to Tidal streams and this was through a Naim and ATC active speakers so quite revealing as a system. Also the playstation is capable of playing sacd.
Really appreciated the review. I have, however, a comment for your consideration. You haven't listened to a CD player in 10 years, and not being able to compare it to other higher end brands that have come out, even in the past few years, really doesn't give the Cyrus 40 a place in space for me. There are still many audiophiles that have CD players, and are looking for possible upgrades over time. I think doing an A/B comparison would be very helpful.
Yep totally agreed it would have been better to have a CD player here to a/b. I was considering buying the last one I owned a meridian but I didn’t think I would ever play CDs again after this so it’s money I could without spending as I am far from rich. But I would review other CD players now and if I can hang on to the Cyrus I will to use for that exact comparison.
Indeed, given the price, it would be interesting to compare to mid-range Yamaha CD players, or high-end products by Audiolab. Personally I own a Yamaha CD-S300, which sounds good to my ears.
Just picked up a Yamaha CD - S303 and it sounds amazing ,,,,,, the NAD 538 was returned as it lost in a shoot-out .... my OPPO- BDP 103 is no match for it with redbook either - but I keep it for blu-ray audio / DVD- A / SACD
I prefer CD to streaming. Just sounds better to me, no matter what resolution you stream at. I’m currently using a CDi-XR and PSU-XR, through a Michi X5 and B&W 702 S2
@@JohnSmith-zl8rz streaming is like having a lile fm radio in the past and not really like like music but heard it only to fill the silent void, i have more than 5.000cds, recorded ones 3.000 ,records or vynyl 15.000 and a bit more ,pre-recorded cassettes 7, pre-recorded reels or like they call it, master tapes which aren´t, i have 172, cassettes and minidiscs i have hundreds or maybe thousands but remenber those big card boxes where the big CRT tv´s came i have three of those filled with cassettes and minidiscs my grandsons never counted them but are hundreds at least ,maybe one or two before a thousand as i do really like music since i was 11 and earlier i studied music started when i was 5 but that was other dimension, as i have all instruments at home and play none but i do play some known songs like in a piano i can play the first version of the Piano O.S.T., in drums i play some known songs and in bass the same in six string guitars the same, or as i told none of them and i have dementia so i forget some things but still in a early stage but i´ll die for sure before it gets more advanced, as i´m old . , advice buy a Denon DRM-800a , with new belts and D cassettes 60 or 54 minuts from tdk or cding 60 or 54 mintus, i say tdk as they record perfect with this deck wich was the most expensive Denon deck in 1989 and as no calibration but has coloured sound and seems to fix the 4khz frequency problem on recordings from spotify, take time as it will not appear at first look but it does ,i found two the last year ,this to make systems for 500€ to kids who ask me to. that i know them as i record demos to highschool kids as i have nothing better to do and when they play something interesting i do record demos in a studio i have at home assembled by my father in 1970 and improved by the years
I tend to balk at the prospect of a NEW cd player but this design is so modern and understated that it’s changed my mind. I also really like the whole model line look too.
Don’t understand why anyone would completely forsake CDs for streamed content. So much more to collecting and listen to music much of which is lost when simply streaming. Yours T. Rex.
I agree with you. I couldn't see why anyone would give away their CD collection. 10-15 years ago I saw a number of friends dumping their years of buying and collecting overnight for streaming. The flip side is music (or physical media) can and will cost you valuable space in storage space. On top of that there are the perks that come with streaming skipping, searching no manual loading and changing of CDs and probably the biggest benefit music on the go. I was the only one in my group of friends that never got rid of their CD collection. Strangely enough 2 of my friends have started buying second hand CDs again over the last year or two for listening to, because of the quality of a dedicated player and amp can give. When they come round and hear songs on my system they say "I've never heard that before" or "it sounds so clear". Note to anyone who reads this who doesn't have a CD collection and wants to start.... Now is the time it's not gonna get any cheaper.
I love my Marantz SA12-SE - same sort of price point as the Cyrus 40CD as it goes. There's quite a few of us out here who refused to dispose of our CDs, much as we refused to get rid of our LPs back in the 80s and 90s!
I just picked up a used Denon DCD-A110 to replace a Schiit Urd. Fantastic piece of HiFi. I can use it direct to my active speakers or via my Chord Dave/Mscaler setup as a transport. Both sound great.
Funny how things hit people. I passed on the Schiit because lack of ability to select single tracks except via fast forward. I like the button garden where I can just select a given track.
Oh Terry it's so refreshing to hear a review that is not overflowing with BS hyperbole . American reviewers deserve Oscars for their consistent "best ever" reviews, I'm pleased that generally Brits, and some other European reviewers don't fall into that trap. I agree with other comments , that one CD player review in isolation after 10 years away is not really "that" helpful, there are a lot of CD players out there many cheaper, and better spec's. My most recent CD Eureka moment came when I plugged in a £20 computer disc reader into my Eversolo A8 , using the A8 dac , it sounded great. Then I used my £1500 Teac cd player as a transport thru the A8, it sounded great too, in fact I could not swear to hearing any difference . My conclusion is that the 0-1s get to converter , however, and after that is when the magic happens. Looking forward to you building you library of CD reviews , git to start somewhere . Great shirt.
Thanks for the kind comment. Never any hyperbole from me I am not that kind of person. If I seem excited its becuase I am or not as sometimes is the case :) Different to you I feel very strongly about what comes before a DAC and that matters immensely. I have had very different sound balance presentations from the same Chord TT2 in the last 5 years depending on what source is before it. I spent 10 years building computer music servers and you can make the sound big and full or super lean and clean with the exact same dac just by changing USB buffer settings so it matters :) Just for extra food for thought.
That’s a brilliant, informative response . I am an analogue cable believer , but digital cables I really don’t hear any difference , but I was expecting to hear a huge difference using the Teac (75 times the price) , but after 2 days comparing them, I really didn’t . Also the cheap transport as a cd player thru the A8, sounded very similar to the burned music on the hard drive, which in turn sounds better than Quboz streaming. I will try again with another transport , I might just have to admit my hearing is not what I think/hope it is, but in my main system I use a Linn Klimax DS and that sounds way better than the A8, in the same system. This brilliant hobby is just never ending , thanks again keep up the fabulous work .
Indeed you were a very early adopter Terry.I still get a lot of enjoyment from my Rega cd player,along with my vinyl.Cd is a technically superior format to vinyl,but much as I enjoy it,vinyl has an indefineable "something" that moves me more.I feel exactly the same when comparing either format with streaming services.
I was an early Meridian Sooloos user which is basically computer audio , when I figured that out I got into DIY that was a very long time ago now, its crazy it makes you feel super old 😁
After ripping all my CD's I almost got rid of my whole collection (over 1600) years ago but I couldn't decide where to go with them and kept pushing it off. For almost two decades now I got into purchasing SACD's, multi channel DVD-Audio, and Blu-ray audio. I'm extremely happy that I retained my entire collection. Physical media sounds far superior to me, more expansive sound stage, relaxed separation of instruments, especially in the middle frequencies.
I hope CD, vinyl, cassette tapes, reel to reel, and 8 track all make a huge comeback, if it'll return high end audio back to it's past glory. I believe that streamed music at extremely high levels has advanced to a point where it's sound quality can achieve reference levels of SQ. I also believe that streaming at a high level is one of the greatest achievements, inventions, developments in the history of high end audio. About three years ago, I sold my CD player. I haven't spun a vinyl record in over 25 years. Happy listening.
I believe that much of the music that is streamed through my audio system sounds much better than many of my old CDs. I was most delighted to let both CD and vinyl go. Happy listening.
high-end audio?not even low end but i kow this generation was born thinking they know all , but someday it backfires and then cry, try to built a afordable system on ebay or at a local seller where ever you live, amplifiers preferable from the 70´s working good as are the best of all ,also turntables 70´s ones do work for 50 years or more , new ones don´t even work when new
i find many, many songs missing parts while streaming like that song from 72 now enters a big fantastic soloby David Gilmour and it´s there but under all other sounds and i know it´s there as i know the music but others will never know that there is a incredible solo there , i´m refering to Ibiza bar on More o.s.t from Pink Floyd on the Barbet Schroeder film about Ibiza in other dimention as i spent there many years and never saw what they show in the movie well they show nothing of what happened at the time in Ibiza ,felt like heaven on hearth in reality ,only the ones who went there know what i´m talking about. about aboat, it´s needed or catch the ferry where all are vomiting while i only vomited in the island after drinking 18 beers on the ferry ,arrive sooner and the voyage took forever ,even the kid at the bar gave me the botle opener and went running as he was sick also, after moking the other europen kids with blonde hair doing it as they started the trip , don´t know why i feel sick faster on those couches or sofa´s with vibration than aboat, and love it in a rough sea day and when they take songs you really like from spotify and nothing ... that´s why streamers today are like A.M radio portable in the past, unless they recorded it into cassettes or minidisc or reels or DAT , depending of what one as at home ,in minidisc more acoustic oriented music stays perfect but other more filled sound it´s better on tape and the 4khertz frequency in the recording is a lot up in the recorded sound ,so if one as a equalizer reduce this frequency with others in flat. i gave this example but this happens countless times as i have almost 2.000 playlists of 8 to 12 hours each and i´m recording them as compilations that if i had to do it manually or get the cds or Lp´s and record each track it would take days to record a 90 minuts cassette or 90 minuts DAT or 80 minuts minidisc or 30 minuts reel (the ones i have blank , at high speed sound resolution), with a 7 seconds crossfader stays really nice or even 15 minuts crossfader , sounds like those tapes recorded with mixing table or with "Passage"
I prefer sacd players now. Especially in upper price range. Regular cds flac to hifi rose are good enough for me. Playing sacd has delivered the best I ever heard with about 50 years of listening.
My HiFi is vintage, I still use a CD Player, a Cassette Deck and even a MiniDisc Recorder, Sadly when my amp finally dies I'm going to be royally screwed because modern amps don't have tape loops anymore. My System comprises of a Arcam Alpha 10 amp, Arcam Alpha 9 CD Player, Yamaha KX580SE Cassette Deck, Sony MDS JB930 QS, B&W 603's (Series 1) its 24 yrs old and still sounds great.
I always thought that CD players didn't matter, since "don't they simply read zeros and ones?" Well, the player on my mini Denon died. Wanted to order the cheapest NAD which wasn't available. Begrudgingly ordered the NADCD568. Now, the CDs began sounding bold like I used to hear them on vinyl. The pricey CD player was the biggest improvement on my system. There is something about a 24bit DAC and its implementation that makes a world of difference between CD players.
CD players can sound out of this world.... imagine what Terry's £3k player might sound like! The whole "bits is bits" digital myth is very far from the whole story.
Just got back from listening to this series at doug bradys in Warrington. The streamer was good but the cd player with the power supply is now on my wishlist, listening to the cd without the power was very good, open and detailed sound but with the power supply took it to another level
There has been a lot of sceptical people, which I understand so its nice to hear some feedback from people hearing it how it is - thanks for commenting
@@PursuitPerfectSystemI'm afraid some people aren't happy unless they're moaning , I've seen awful comments just on people unboxing an amp it's ridiculous. By the way They look amazing together on a rack
I very much enjoy your review terry and am looking forward to your reviews of the other 40 series components. I have been interested in Cyrus since I was a teenager and they were the sister brand of mission. I wasn't able to afford them then but later I bought a pair of Mission speakers with a Marantz hifi set. After a long journey I am now using Accuphase with Sonus Faber and I love the musical sound I get as opposed to the more analytical "High-End" sound. I would love your help as I would like to buy me this Cyrus 40 set and attach a pair of (really small) near-field monitors for my desktop. For the moment I'm using a KEF LSX II with the matching KEF sub and though the size is perfect the sound isn't really my thing. Do you know of any interesting very small neartfields that can be driven perfectly with the AMP 40?
Your review is interesting as a non-CD-fan. Your impressions are similar to other reviews of Chord DAC products. They offer a lot of detail & good soundstage but, except for the Mojo, sound a bit chilly (lacking that slight midrange emphasis).
The strength of the CD is that it is uncompressed and free from every streaming artefact. Even if you stream 24 bit 96 KHz music, you need quite a high bitrate to match the sonic excellence of fully uncompressed music. I use Tidal Hifi and uses only the highest bitrates and only then it will be better than CD.
i have a cyrus cdxt signature transport, i've never had a problem with scratching discs with the load system as others are describing with slot loaders?
I'm supportive of you, but the truth is @£1250 buys a well known bijou r2r DAC that you can connect to any SP/DIF, opt, i2s source. But it's still nice.
Didn't realise Cyrus was still going. Assumed this was a review of a legacy product. Still running the Mission 7XX series speakers that were designed to go with the original Cyrus systems. Too pricy for me but interesting to see they are still going, nonetheless.
My audiolab cd transport/ Schitt Multibit setup sounds more musical to me than my wav files played through my other Schitt multibit. The audiolab transport setup beats Amazon HD through the same multibit unit. I do not see how a streamed file can sound better than a physical music source like cd. Never mind that HD flac files are 24 bit. I’ve found that 16 bit CDs played through a quality DAC still beats “files from a faraway server”.
The love the production quality of your videos, but may i ask that you speed up the out of focus to in focus shots, it always hurts my eyes, its a little slow.
Fair play there was a lot of them in this review. Because I am doing four reviews all at once, its four lots of everything so I dumbed things down a little to make my life a little easier but I appreciate the comment and feedback taken on board for the future
Nice long awaited update from Cyrus. £3k for a slot loader... Nice bespoke remote compared to the horrible silver plastic one. £2.5k for the PSU which is basically a transformer... So you would need to add 2? One for the CD player and one for the amp? So 5k. Seriously?
@@alexandershpilka5848 Optional, yes. But not exactly affordable. Is it me or has everything in hi fi skyrocketed? Now you have to take out a mortgage to buy it.
" let me just make a negative comment about price on this video , I mean it doesn't add anything to the discussion or anything about the product , but let me do it anyway ". Okay buddy well maybe this product ain't for you. A lot of high-end Hi-Fi is expensive, sure you can buy a CD player that cost $300 or hell even a $40 DVD player that will play CDs, will either of those options sound as good as this one, probably not. There's an old expression that says you have to pay to play, and if you want what they're selling And you want to play on that level, you've got to pay the money.
Really like the aesthetics but dont like slot loaders. Dont like the way they grab the disc. A tray would have been better or better still , a top loader as its just one less thing to go wrong. I the understand why Cyrus chose the slot but it would be a deal breaker for me. Ive owned 5 cd players and 3 of them had a tray failure of some sort.
Yes for the amp, the CD players doesn't really get hot so there are some other benefits mostly aesthetic but it does seem to add rigidity to the structure but thats just a guess from how it feels, less hollow feeling is what I mean
Hardly any units do that. I have a Pro-ject RS that displays artist + album title. It displays the song names as well but longer names confuse it & I get some strange, amusing results!
i don't know about you, but i hardly stream anymore. downloaded lossless files played through a high end DAC killed it. a CD transport will also beat a good CD player sent to same DAC
With 10 years of having to listen to a CD and considering that now you came back to it and found it to be at least even so slighly superior to streaming (at least in quite a few aspects), makes someone wonder whether of who knows how many reviews of yours, were compromised by playback of something even a tad inferior.
I have had very high end streaming here for nearly all of 10 years, that’s easily this good if not considerably better. Lately I have had more affordable streaming sources here. That is the difference I am referring to, however having a CD player as part of my review arsenal does make sense as another tool to use. My reviews are bang on always I am confident of that, dont forget I travel a lot too so hear these products in other peoples systems too. Also remember I have a dedicated fully acoustically treated room to work in that allows me to hear differences much easier than an echoy room with all hard surfaces.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I never doubted you were using high end streaming through these years, in a properly treated room and that you exchange views with other gearheads and people in the industry for many years. I know cause I'm a subscriber for a number of years. I don't know where in my post, I implied the opposite. I'll try to rephrase it though. What I'm saying is with reference to what you said from 7:30 onwards. Especially at 8:08 where you say that you find SOME streamers to be harsh or thin or both. Especially more affordable ones. So there are still some harsh and/or thin streamers, which are expensive and high end. Now if a 3k squid CD player can see all affordable and some expensive ones in the eye, it'd be logical for a hi end CD player to be able to do the same to hi end streamers too. That's what I'm asking.
I hate touch controls on desktop devices. Really disappointed that Cyrus went with cheap touch controls instead of proper mechanical buttons on its premium product.
I wouldn't call this a primary intended desktop device, its designed to used on a hifi stand or rack or furniture used with the remote sat in the listening seat a distance away predominantly
Which slot loading Cd player did you personally have experience with that scratched yr discs? I own 2 ( Leak & Audiolab) and have not experienced this 👍
I think CD's and therefore also CD players have been dead for at least 15 years. Not because CD's are bad, but because of the inconvenience. They are expensive, take up a lot of space, and are bloated with mediocre songs. Streaming is certainly better in all regards.
No one needs to convince you to do anything do what you want. Let others who see it differently do what they want. However if you were here I could show you why I said what I said in the video easily
Great to see see CD back in the mix, however, not sure about this CD pkayer. At almost three grand and no balanced outputs and I do not like slot loading players as there is a tendency to scratch the discs. Also, at this price, surely they could of done away with needing a seperate power supply? Furthermore, CD sounds best with classical music so reviwers need to incorporate that as well as the usual rock stuff. 👎
I wouldn't pay £300 for a slot loader, let alone £2000-£3000. But it's not only Cyrus, some high end companies carry on with that stupid trend that belongs to car audio, look at Hegel or Mark Levinson, it's embarrassing.
That is a retailer, they shouldn't be making review videos really when you think about it - other independent review websites had reviews out before me too, but I was the first to get the units trust me, I have had them for ages. Retailers have only just got samples - I have spent weeks listening to these so who really has "REVIEWED" them properly first. Also there was a Cyrus enforced embargo like every manufacturer for a new release so if they released content hours before that they are bang out of line too.
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I realised after it was too late that I forgot to mention the price of the 40CD in the video sorry about that amateur mistake, its £2995
The CD's mentioned in the video - Fascination with sound geni.us/BAgy3D
Rudimental Home geni.us/Nb6S
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Thanks for watching the video.
I returned to using CDs as my main source in April of this year. A few years ago I had sold my CD player thinking that I was always going to be using streaming services and digital files on my computer.
I became annoyed with the streaming services changing things, replacing a favoured album with a remixed version for example. So I started buying CDs and ripping them to my Mac, then playing them with Audirvana.
Well after a year or two of that I started reading reports that CD players sounded better for some people than streaming or playing files on the computer, so I bought my Teac VRDS 701T CD transport in April and I use that with my DAC. I am so glad I did. I think the sound I'm getting with this source is the best I have ever had in my life and I'll mentioned that I had my first Hi Fi system as a teenager in the 70s.
Now I'm buying CDs on Discogs each week. It is such a cheap way to get music and because CDs are very robust you can buy second-hand ones and it is pretty rare that you'll have a problem.
I think if you have a DAC already then maybe you should look at getting a CD transport.
Teac is excellent especially in the cd player realm. They all sound dynamic and fun.
Teac VRDS 701T CD transport is one heck of a transport, Teac/Esoteric are really the kings of CD transports.
i have 7 DAC but are inside my 7 cd players i bought all my life and i´m not going to pay 500€ for a external DAC to get the same quality of a internal dac that with same quality costs 35€ + 15€ of instalation not that i don´t know how to do it but i outsourced it, i´m old and taking my teeth seems a dificult task much more weld tiny things in electric devices
but i bought a big golden teac cd transport with a litle drawer coloured diferentelly to make contrast as i use the brand since the 70´s
Flac is lossless. It sounds the same from a file as a CD.
CD`s still sound better than anything I've ever streamed. Perfect sound forever!
I have not stopped buying and enjoying CDs since 1986, SACDs from 1999 and Blu Ray audio discs since 2013. I have never streamed music. Listening to my silver discs is my best source of pleasure!
Very good review Terry. Yesterday experienced the 40-series at the Dutch Audio Event here in the Netherlands. In combination with Audio Physic Tempo speakers this new Cyrus set blew me away.
By the way, I still buy and listen to CDs. I also stream (Qobuz via Roon), but my Accuphase CD player still beats my Roon server/streamer from Silent Angel (Rhein Z1) with separate PSU from SBooster. But the differences are sometimes very small …;-).
Good review. I never abandoned CDs and it is still my preferred listening experience at home. Streaming is for the car/on the go. The relationship with streaming is different to physical media- I tend to skip and disappear down rabbit holes searching out "new" artists and music that if I like means I just have to buy a physical copy where possible. It has only supersized my spending on discs!
Vinyl is ok once in a while but in all honesty I can't be bothered with all the faffing around and high maintenance it requires- so many tedious rituals.
I must say throughout the video I was distracted and puzzled by the two refrigerators sitting in the room- until you pointed out they were indeed speakers...
I no longer own a cd player, however yesterday I played some cd’s through my old play station 2 and was surprised how good they sound compared to Tidal streams and this was through a Naim and ATC active speakers so quite revealing as a system. Also the playstation is capable of playing sacd.
Imagine how they'd sound with a top flight CD player...
Really appreciated the review. I have, however, a comment for your consideration. You haven't listened to a CD player in 10 years, and not being able to compare it to other higher end brands that have come out, even in the past few years, really doesn't give the Cyrus 40 a place in space for me. There are still many audiophiles that have CD players, and are looking for possible upgrades over time. I think doing an A/B comparison would be very helpful.
Yep totally agreed it would have been better to have a CD player here to a/b. I was considering buying the last one I owned a meridian but I didn’t think I would ever play CDs again after this so it’s money I could without spending as I am far from rich. But I would review other CD players now and if I can hang on to the Cyrus I will to use for that exact comparison.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem that would be great to compare the new 40 CD against others!
Indeed, given the price, it would be interesting to compare to mid-range Yamaha CD players, or high-end products by Audiolab. Personally I own a Yamaha CD-S300, which sounds good to my ears.
@@pierreduchesne0001 Or Marantz... their reputation for repeatedly designing wonderful CD players is well deserved.
🙋♂️TERRY 🤗THANKS FOR SHARING THIS AND HAVING FUN 🤩💚💚💚
Just picked up a Yamaha CD - S303 and it sounds amazing ,,,,,, the NAD 538 was returned as it lost in a shoot-out .... my OPPO- BDP 103 is no match for it with redbook either - but I keep it for blu-ray audio / DVD- A / SACD
I prefer CD to streaming. Just sounds better to me, no matter what resolution you stream at. I’m currently using a CDi-XR and PSU-XR, through a Michi X5 and B&W 702 S2
I sold all my CDs, I prefer Streaming.
@@JohnSmith-zl8rz streaming is like having a lile fm radio in the past and not really like like music but heard it only to fill the silent void, i have more than 5.000cds, recorded ones 3.000 ,records or vynyl 15.000 and a bit more ,pre-recorded cassettes 7, pre-recorded reels or like they call it, master tapes which aren´t, i have 172, cassettes and minidiscs i have hundreds or maybe thousands but remenber those big card boxes where the big CRT tv´s came i have three of those filled with cassettes and minidiscs my grandsons never counted them but are hundreds at least ,maybe one or two before a thousand as i do really like music since i was 11 and earlier i studied music started when i was 5 but that was other dimension, as i have all instruments at home and play none but i do play some known songs like in a piano i can play the first version of the Piano O.S.T., in drums i play some known songs and in bass the same in six string guitars the same, or as i told none of them and i have dementia so i forget some things but still in a early stage but i´ll die for sure before it gets more advanced, as i´m old . , advice buy a Denon DRM-800a , with new belts and D cassettes 60 or 54 minuts from tdk or cding 60 or 54 mintus, i say tdk as they record perfect with this deck wich was the most expensive Denon deck in 1989 and as no calibration but has coloured sound and seems to fix the 4khz frequency problem on recordings from spotify, take time as it will not appear at first look but it does ,i found two the last year ,this to make systems for 500€ to kids who ask me to. that i know them as i record demos to highschool kids as i have nothing better to do and when they play something interesting i do record demos in a studio i have at home assembled by my father in 1970 and improved by the years
I tend to balk at the prospect of a NEW cd player but this design is so modern and understated that it’s changed my mind. I also really like the whole model line look too.
Made me smile when you offered the disc up and you went to push it in.😊
Welcome back to the cd world
Don’t understand why anyone would completely forsake CDs for streamed content. So much more to collecting and listen to music much of which is lost when simply streaming. Yours T. Rex.
Which moreover makes you wonder how many of his reviews through all those ten years were compronised (to put it mildly, that is...)
I agree with you. I couldn't see why anyone would give away their CD collection.
10-15 years ago I saw a number of friends dumping their years of buying and collecting overnight for streaming.
The flip side is music (or physical media) can and will cost you valuable space in storage space. On top of that there are the perks that come with streaming skipping, searching no manual loading and changing of CDs and probably the biggest benefit music on the go.
I was the only one in my group of friends that never got rid of their CD collection.
Strangely enough 2 of my friends have started buying second hand CDs again over the last year or two for listening to, because of the quality of a dedicated player and amp can give.
When they come round and hear songs on my system they say "I've never heard that before" or "it sounds so clear".
Note to anyone who reads this who doesn't have a CD collection and wants to start.... Now is the time it's not gonna get any cheaper.
Nice one, Terry😊
I love my Marantz SA12-SE - same sort of price point as the Cyrus 40CD as it goes.
There's quite a few of us out here who refused to dispose of our CDs, much as we refused to get rid of our LPs back in the 80s and 90s!
I just picked up a used Denon DCD-A110 to replace a Schiit Urd. Fantastic piece of HiFi. I can use it direct to my active speakers or via my Chord Dave/Mscaler setup as a transport. Both sound great.
Funny how things hit people. I passed on the Schiit because lack of ability to select single tracks except via fast forward. I like the button garden where I can just select a given track.
Oh Terry it's so refreshing to hear a review that is not overflowing with BS hyperbole . American reviewers deserve Oscars for their consistent "best ever" reviews, I'm pleased that generally Brits, and some other European reviewers don't fall into that trap.
I agree with other comments , that one CD player review in isolation after 10 years away is not really "that" helpful, there are a lot of CD players out there many cheaper, and better spec's. My most recent CD Eureka moment came when I plugged in a £20 computer disc reader into my Eversolo A8 , using the A8 dac , it sounded great. Then I used my £1500 Teac cd player as a transport thru the A8, it sounded great too, in fact I could not swear to hearing any difference . My conclusion is that the 0-1s get to converter , however, and after that is when the magic happens. Looking forward to you building you library of CD reviews , git to start somewhere .
Great shirt.
Thanks for the kind comment. Never any hyperbole from me I am not that kind of person. If I seem excited its becuase I am or not as sometimes is the case :)
Different to you I feel very strongly about what comes before a DAC and that matters immensely. I have had very different sound balance presentations from the same Chord TT2 in the last 5 years depending on what source is before it. I spent 10 years building computer music servers and you can make the sound big and full or super lean and clean with the exact same dac just by changing USB buffer settings so it matters :) Just for extra food for thought.
That’s a brilliant, informative response . I am an analogue cable believer , but digital cables I really don’t hear any difference , but I was expecting to hear a huge difference using the Teac (75 times the price) , but after 2 days comparing them, I really didn’t . Also the cheap transport as a cd player thru the A8, sounded very similar to the burned music on the hard drive, which in turn sounds better than Quboz streaming.
I will try again with another transport , I might just have to admit my hearing is not what I think/hope it is, but in my main system I use a Linn Klimax DS and that sounds way better than the A8, in the same system.
This brilliant hobby is just never ending , thanks again keep up the fabulous work .
Indeed you were a very early adopter Terry.I still get a lot of enjoyment from my Rega cd player,along with my vinyl.Cd is a technically superior format to vinyl,but much as I enjoy it,vinyl has an indefineable "something" that moves me more.I feel exactly the same when comparing either format with streaming services.
I was an early Meridian Sooloos user which is basically computer audio , when I figured that out I got into DIY that was a very long time ago now, its crazy it makes you feel super old 😁
I'm using luxman D10X,,,,,, fantastic after 30 years of Copland kit,I will not change now
You were given a task and you did a
Excellent job at it.
After ripping all my CD's I almost got rid of my whole collection (over 1600) years ago but I couldn't decide where to go with them and kept pushing it off. For almost two decades now I got into purchasing SACD's, multi channel DVD-Audio, and Blu-ray audio. I'm extremely happy that I retained my entire collection. Physical media sounds far superior to me, more expansive sound stage, relaxed separation of instruments, especially in the middle frequencies.
I hope CD, vinyl, cassette tapes, reel to reel, and 8 track all make a huge comeback, if it'll return high end audio back to it's past glory. I believe that streamed music at extremely high levels has advanced to a point where it's sound quality can achieve reference levels of SQ. I also believe that streaming at a high level is one of the greatest achievements, inventions, developments in the history of high end audio. About three years ago, I sold my CD player. I haven't spun a vinyl record in over 25 years. Happy listening.
Nah , never gets close to a good cd player.
I believe that much of the music that is streamed through my audio system sounds much better than many of my old CDs. I was most delighted to let both CD and vinyl go. Happy listening.
high-end audio?not even low end but i kow this generation was born thinking they know all , but someday it backfires and then cry, try to built a afordable system on ebay or at a local seller where ever you live, amplifiers preferable from the 70´s working good as are the best of all ,also turntables 70´s ones do work for 50 years or more , new ones don´t even work when new
I still find many cd's fuller sounding than the same tracks over streaming.
I think it might be the related to the music server quality but I do want to explore this very topic now based on my experience here
Have you galvanically isolated your streamer? That is essential in order to get close to CD quality.
@@PursuitPerfectSystemPaul over at PS Audio says it’s the type and quality of output stage.
i find many, many songs missing parts while streaming like that song from 72 now enters a big fantastic soloby David Gilmour and it´s there but under all other sounds and i know it´s there as i know the music but others will never know that there is a incredible solo there , i´m refering to Ibiza bar on More o.s.t from Pink Floyd on the Barbet Schroeder film about Ibiza in other dimention as i spent there many years and never saw what they show in the movie well they show nothing of what happened at the time in Ibiza ,felt like heaven on hearth in reality ,only the ones who went there know what i´m talking about. about aboat, it´s needed or catch the ferry where all are vomiting while i only vomited in the island after drinking 18 beers on the ferry ,arrive sooner and the voyage took forever ,even the kid at the bar gave me the botle opener and went running as he was sick also, after moking the other europen kids with blonde hair doing it as they started the trip , don´t know why i feel sick faster on those couches or sofa´s with vibration than aboat, and love it in a rough sea day and when they take songs you really like from spotify and nothing ... that´s why streamers today are like A.M radio portable in the past, unless they recorded it into cassettes or minidisc or reels or DAT , depending of what one as at home ,in minidisc more acoustic oriented music stays perfect but other more filled sound it´s better on tape and the 4khertz frequency in the recording is a lot up in the recorded sound ,so if one as a equalizer reduce this frequency with others in flat. i gave this example but this happens countless times as i have almost 2.000 playlists of 8 to 12 hours each and i´m recording them as compilations that if i had to do it manually or get the cds or Lp´s and record each track it would take days to record a 90 minuts cassette or 90 minuts DAT or 80 minuts minidisc or 30 minuts reel (the ones i have blank , at high speed sound resolution), with a 7 seconds crossfader stays really nice or even 15 minuts crossfader , sounds like those tapes recorded with mixing table or with "Passage"
That is because streaming uses compression.
The fuchsia CD shot makes the unit really pop. That’s a nice looking player and a great review.
The updated design looks great and was well overdue!
I prefer sacd players now.
Especially in upper price range. Regular cds flac to hifi rose are good enough for me.
Playing sacd has delivered the best I ever heard with about 50 years of listening.
Farad and Henry would be proud. I used to work with both of them. Cyrus is name after his son.
Nice review and great looking products. Maybe a comparison between the 40 ST Cyrus music server against the 40 CD would be useful to many.
Yep that is coming in the 40ST review
My HiFi is vintage, I still use a CD Player, a Cassette Deck and even a MiniDisc Recorder, Sadly when my amp finally dies I'm going to be royally screwed because modern amps don't have tape loops anymore. My System comprises of a Arcam Alpha 10 amp, Arcam Alpha 9 CD Player, Yamaha KX580SE Cassette Deck, Sony MDS JB930 QS, B&W 603's (Series 1) its 24 yrs old and still sounds great.
I always thought that CD players didn't matter, since "don't they simply read zeros and ones?" Well, the player on my mini Denon died. Wanted to order the cheapest NAD which wasn't available. Begrudgingly ordered the NADCD568. Now, the CDs began sounding bold like I used to hear them on vinyl. The pricey CD player was the biggest improvement on my system. There is something about a 24bit DAC and its implementation that makes a world of difference between CD players.
CD players can sound out of this world.... imagine what Terry's £3k player might sound like!
The whole "bits is bits" digital myth is very far from the whole story.
Just got back from listening to this series at doug bradys in Warrington. The streamer was good but the cd player with the power supply is now on my wishlist, listening to the cd without the power was very good, open and detailed sound but with the power supply took it to another level
Exactly what I said in the video yes?? :)
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I went there after watching your video
Keep it up
There has been a lot of sceptical people, which I understand so its nice to hear some feedback from people hearing it how it is - thanks for commenting
@@PursuitPerfectSystemI'm afraid some people aren't happy unless they're moaning , I've seen awful comments just on people unboxing an amp it's ridiculous. By the way
They look amazing together on a rack
lol, u a funny man.
i donated all my CDs to goodwill.
Apple Music lossless streaming introduces me to so much new music.
ear candy.
great review as always Terry - did you do a direct comparison of the CD vs a similarly priced streamer?
Would like to see it reading SACD also.
I very much enjoy your review terry and am looking forward to your reviews of the other 40 series components.
I have been interested in Cyrus since I was a teenager and they were the sister brand of mission.
I wasn't able to afford them then but later I bought a pair of Mission speakers with a Marantz hifi set.
After a long journey I am now using Accuphase with Sonus Faber and I love the musical sound I get as opposed to the more analytical "High-End" sound.
I would love your help as I would like to buy me this Cyrus 40 set and attach a pair of (really small) near-field monitors for my desktop.
For the moment I'm using a KEF LSX II with the matching KEF sub and though the size is perfect the sound isn't really my thing.
Do you know of any interesting very small neartfields that can be driven perfectly with the AMP 40?
Interesting, thx for sharing 👍
Your review is interesting as a non-CD-fan. Your impressions are similar to other reviews of Chord DAC products. They offer a lot of detail & good soundstage but, except for the Mojo, sound a bit chilly (lacking that slight midrange emphasis).
At 13:35 Which album from Taylor Swift were you listening to if I may ask? You didn't specify
The strength of the CD is that it is uncompressed and free from every streaming artefact. Even if you stream 24 bit 96 KHz music, you need quite a high bitrate to match the sonic excellence of fully uncompressed music. I use Tidal Hifi and uses only the highest bitrates and only then it will be better than CD.
At least they've slowed down the rate of which the cd enters and exits. Less chance of damage.
i have a cyrus cdxt signature transport, i've never had a problem with scratching discs with the load system as others are describing with slot loaders?
I would love to see you review the Magnetar UDP 900 for its high end audio circuitry.
I'm supportive of you, but the truth is @£1250 buys a well known bijou r2r DAC that you can connect to any SP/DIF, opt, i2s source. But it's still nice.
New is not necessarily progress. I enjoy streaming with an Auralic and CDs via an Audiolab 9000 transport. Love it all.
What if it sucks your tie in?
So long as the tie sounds good your good
You'll end up breathless at its performance
Didn't realise Cyrus was still going. Assumed this was a review of a legacy product. Still running the Mission 7XX series speakers that were designed to go with the original Cyrus systems. Too pricy for me but interesting to see they are still going, nonetheless.
I like the size of these..
My audiolab cd transport/ Schitt Multibit setup sounds more musical to me than my wav files played through my other Schitt multibit. The audiolab transport setup beats Amazon HD through the same multibit unit. I do not see how a streamed file can sound better than a physical music source like cd. Never mind that HD flac files are 24 bit. I’ve found that 16 bit CDs played through a quality DAC still beats “files from a faraway server”.
The CD is still alive and not killing it! 😆
I'm sure it sounds good, I just don't like slot loaders for my high end home unit. Just my personal opinion.
CD playback is superior better than any streamer in my opinion
My Lector CD transport is amazing together with CEN GRAND DAC
The love the production quality of your videos, but may i ask that you speed up the out of focus to in focus shots, it always hurts my eyes, its a little slow.
Fair play there was a lot of them in this review. Because I am doing four reviews all at once, its four lots of everything so I dumbed things down a little to make my life a little easier but I appreciate the comment and feedback taken on board for the future
Beats streaming hands down for sound quality.
Nice long awaited update from Cyrus. £3k for a slot loader... Nice bespoke remote compared to the horrible silver plastic one. £2.5k for the PSU which is basically a transformer... So you would need to add 2? One for the CD player and one for the amp? So 5k. Seriously?
If it’s just a transformer you can build your own and save money here. Let’s be real about it it’s not just a transformer at all.
It's optional. You don't have to add it.
@@alexandershpilka5848 Optional, yes. But not exactly affordable. Is it me or has everything in hi fi skyrocketed? Now you have to take out a mortgage to buy it.
Everything in the world has skyrocketed pretty much
" let me just make a negative comment about price on this video , I mean it doesn't add anything to the discussion or anything about the product , but let me do it anyway ". Okay buddy well maybe this product ain't for you. A lot of high-end Hi-Fi is expensive, sure you can buy a CD player that cost $300 or hell even a $40 DVD player that will play CDs, will either of those options sound as good as this one, probably not.
There's an old expression that says you have to pay to play, and if you want what they're selling And you want to play on that level, you've got to pay the money.
I think I'm allergic to slot loaders. Draw minimum, top loader ideally.
Piriteze is the best upgrade for you 😁
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Really like the aesthetics but dont like slot loaders. Dont like the way they grab the disc. A tray would have been better or better still , a top loader as its just one less thing to go wrong.
I the understand why Cyrus chose the slot but it would be a deal breaker for me.
Ive owned 5 cd players and 3 of them had a tray failure of some sort.
can I fit this in my car? 😅
The ribbing increases heat dissipation surface.
Yes for the amp, the CD players doesn't really get hot so there are some other benefits mostly aesthetic but it does seem to add rigidity to the structure but thats just a guess from how it feels, less hollow feeling is what I mean
It’s a shame the 40CD doesn’t display CD text!
Hardly any units do that. I have a Pro-ject RS that displays artist + album title. It displays the song names as well but longer names confuse it & I get some strange, amusing results!
i don't know about you, but i hardly stream anymore. downloaded lossless files played through a high end DAC killed it. a CD transport will also beat a good CD player sent to same DAC
You are spot on sir.
With 10 years of having to listen to a CD and considering that now you came back to it and found it to be at least even so slighly superior to streaming (at least in quite a few aspects), makes someone wonder whether of who knows how many reviews of yours, were compromised by playback of something even a tad inferior.
I have had very high end streaming here for nearly all of 10 years, that’s easily this good if not considerably better. Lately I have had more affordable streaming sources here. That is the difference I am referring to, however having a CD player as part of my review arsenal does make sense as another tool to use. My reviews are bang on always I am confident of that, dont forget I travel a lot too so hear these products in other peoples systems too.
Also remember I have a dedicated fully acoustically treated room to work in that allows me to hear differences much easier than an echoy room with all hard surfaces.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I never doubted you were using high end streaming through these years, in a properly treated room and that you exchange views with other gearheads and people in the industry for many years. I know cause I'm a subscriber for a number of years. I don't know where in my post, I implied the opposite.
I'll try to rephrase it though. What I'm saying is with reference to what you said from 7:30 onwards. Especially at 8:08 where you say that you find SOME streamers to be harsh or thin or both. Especially more affordable ones. So there are still some harsh and/or thin streamers, which are expensive and high end. Now if a 3k squid CD player can see all affordable and some expensive ones in the eye, it'd be logical for a hi end CD player to be able to do the same to hi end streamers too. That's what I'm asking.
I read the title in a way that i thought it held 40 cd's LOL
I hate touch controls on desktop devices. Really disappointed that Cyrus went with cheap touch controls instead of proper mechanical buttons on its premium product.
I wouldn't call this a primary intended desktop device, its designed to used on a hifi stand or rack or furniture used with the remote sat in the listening seat a distance away predominantly
Love to see new cd players being made but the slot loader is a deal breaker. They all scratch discs. Very light scratches but still unacceptable.
Which slot loading Cd player did you personally have experience with that scratched yr discs? I own 2 ( Leak & Audiolab) and have not experienced this 👍
Just learned something. Thanks.
I've never had a slot loader scratch a disc, but I've had draw loaders stick on 2 different machines. Slot loader everytime for me!
Zzzz complete bullshit boy
Slot loaders are not user friendly to cds...end of!
I think CD's and therefore also CD players have been dead for at least 15 years. Not because CD's are bad, but because of the inconvenience. They are expensive, take up a lot of space, and are bloated with mediocre songs. Streaming is certainly better in all regards.
Convince me why I should pay 3000 quid on a cd player rather than copying a CD as a flac file to my laptop and playing it through JRiver.
No one needs to convince you to do anything do what you want. Let others who see it differently do what they want. However if you were here I could show you why I said what I said in the video easily
Great to see see CD back in the mix, however, not sure about this CD pkayer. At almost three grand and no balanced outputs and I do not like slot loading players as there is a tendency to scratch the discs. Also, at this price, surely they could of done away with needing a seperate power supply? Furthermore, CD sounds best with classical music so reviwers need to incorporate that as well as the usual rock stuff. 👎
Sloat Loading? No thank you!!!! all that scratch the Discs.
I wouldn't pay £300 for a slot loader, let alone £2000-£3000. But it's not only Cyrus, some high end companies carry on with that stupid trend that belongs to car audio, look at Hegel or Mark Levinson, it's embarrassing.
looks like a thirty year old B&O , non the worse for it , but thats how it looks to me.
CD’s are not killing it anymore, just look at vinyl sales compared
Not a fan of slot loading CD player.
£3 K - yikes.
Yes but if you had it in your system for 10 years its only £12.50 a month and if you use it a lot its cost you less then Netflix
Not the 1st to review the Cyrus 40...............
I was as I started weeks ago and the only one to have them all
@@PursuitPerfectSystem .
The "Studio Incar" channel beat you to the punch by about 4 hours.
That is a retailer, they shouldn't be making review videos really when you think about it - other independent review websites had reviews out before me too, but I was the first to get the units trust me, I have had them for ages.
Retailers have only just got samples - I have spent weeks listening to these so who really has "REVIEWED" them properly first.
Also there was a Cyrus enforced embargo like every manufacturer for a new release so if they released content hours before that they are bang out of line too.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem .
Properly Reviewed = Opinion
First to Review = Fact
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Don't worry Mate, lots-o-luv still 😁