I think you guys are closer in agreement than your initial description and the title suggest. The ultimate difference is this, you have the "jaded" perspective and he has the "optimist / naive" perspective. He's too positive, because his entire experience is with a little bit older women and outside of the cities, and includes his wife, who I'm sure does meet the criteria he sets out. On the other hand, you're mainly in the party scene, and mainly meet women who are more loose, more "worldly", more less traditional, so your perspective skews the other way. I hate being the centrist in any position, but here it's pretty clear the actual truth of the situation lies about at the half-way point between you too, and as with many things in life "your experience may vary", dependent on personal and environmental factors unique to you.
I think the biggest difference is the audiences that we are speaking to respectively (albeit there is some overlap in TH-cam viewers). Gonzalo is speaking to guys from the West who are struggling to get any girls (who also presumably have never visited Eastern Europe) while I'm speaking to guys who can get girls but are looking to improve their dating options (and normally have some experience with dating in Eastern Europe). You're right that he is being 'naive' about his quasi-incel audience jumping on a plane to Kyiv and then finding a 'beautiful traditional virgin' wife waiting for them here. It's not the 1990s in the ex-USSR ... much more likely that such guys will be ripped off by some romance scammers unfortunately. On the other hand, I am an optimist that if you are armed with the right knowledge and implement an effective dating strategy for Eastern Europe then you will dramatically improve on your current options in the West. Several of my in-person clients even got married to women they met while 'partying' with me here in Ukraine and Belarus. 😃 In sum, I'm a pragmatist on moving to/dating in Eastern Europe ... Gonzalo appears idealistic even borderline quixotic in this video to say the least.
@Conor Clyne - Tsar Experience Fair point. I see where you're coming from. It is important to, in a sense, crush the expectation of naive people who think they are going to go to Eastern Europe, having been totally unsuccessful with women generally, and find a magical fairy land where with no effort or understanding of the culture, they will find the perfect women. I sympathize with Coach Red Pill though, because while you are absolutely correct about the facts of Slavic Eastern Europe, Americans in the red pill community loves to cherry-pick certain negatives about other cultures and regions (for example your divorce stat) to argue that: *_all women are the same everywhere, culture doesn't matter / doesn't exist - all the world is exactly the same as America so "get used to it" and just "man up and deal with American women"._* As a former American, I see the lie that "whole world = America" (except "shithole countries" that America has wars in) is a prevailing part of the red-pill community, which is an American originated ideology, and I think CRP is pushing back against that blind spot so young men don't wallow in that very toxic society and have hope of actually changing their lives, though perhaps he's pushing to hard in the other direction and setting them up for failure without the right balanced understanding. Ultimately, I think your pragmatic approach is correct, I just wanted to share with you that American mentality; any negative about a country that isn't America is used to promote the "MURICA NUMBER #1" propaganda which often traps young men in a terrible country and terrible lives under the mistaken belief that it can't be better anywhere else. I believed that propaganda for a long time, and trapped myself in the United States for too many years, until I finally woke up and got out (and now have a great life in nearly every way), and I only wish I had done so earlier.
@@ConorClyneNewEurope Gonzalo does not sound idealistic. He speaks about different sort of females who do not party at all. Hence you have never had a chance to meet them. They are not easy because, most probably, their fathers are not lousy loosers. That means that word "dating" is not applicable to those females.
@@ConorClyneNewEurope True, he is also insulting - Western girls are most likely amateur porn actresses, hugely prolific, indiscriminate fornicators and sluttish - is a highly dubious and insulting assertion. The West is a decadent society, 'going down the tubes' is ridiculous, given the economic and legal protection we enjoy over more mafia-influenced societies, such as the Ukrainian one. The assumption that having a family over a career is ethically superior seems highly contestable, especially in the context of women's liberation and self-fufillment. Perhaps he should read The Second Sex. The most cursory glance at dating apps and indeed general sartorial behaviour here in Kiev, from where I currently write, reveals that women are just as libidinous and go-getting as their Western counter-parts. Eschewing sex before marriage is common in certain parts of Asia and the Middle East, but it is not even advisable, as sex and the experience thereof is a key predictor for a successful marriage. Abstemption is ultimately self-defeating. Forgoing sex with a partner pending 'holy bed-lock' is the relationship equivalent of paying for a ten year hotel stay before you spend a night in it. There are many paths to innocence; depriving oneself of a pleasurable and informative psychological experience, sex, is not one of them. As for England, from where I hail, being more decadent, I can now rejoin with my own assertion; in the UK I can hail a taxi and pay a price based on a metre at a fair price for both of us anywhere in England. In England, I can be fairly sure the police will not confiscate my passport in order to extract a fine based on a bogus charge. In England, I am very unlikely to be scammed by five people in a row with the collusion of a five star restaurant and a taxi driver. I am not even going to discuss the hospitals and bribe-system... And to be honest, any restaurant that you might venture into in the capital will actually not be cheaper than the average English one. It might actually be more expensive. In Both Kiev and most parts of London, a steak and chips will cost you about 15 dollars. Hotels here are about 60 euros - obviously I should use the B and B system but even so... I will assume that a night club in Kiev will be just as expensive judging by the door fees. So, if the Ukraine, as many do indeed assert, and Connor's stories (and my one week's experience) bear out, is indeed one of the most corrupt if not the most corrupt place in Europe, how can England be the decadent one? I agree, of course, it is a beautiful country, well worth a visit, still.
No. Dude stop finding excuses. Your "Guru" coach is a lightweight that doesn't know what he is talking about at all. He is someone who likes to smell his own farts
He is not wrong that the west sucks but men without the langugage and looks will not do well anywhere that is not western. Ukrainian women can be very hard for weak men to keep let alone attain.
That guy is about 20-years out of date on his info. Was in Russia in 98' and it was a meat market because the economic collapse and the new exposer to the west.. However, it's totally different now. My ex is from Podolsk-south of Moscow, she would laugh her ass off, if she watched red pill guy. Women are the same anywhere you visit-with the possible exception of South-East Asia. Particularly the Philippines. If you can't hook up in PH, there is no hope for you. The biggest difference between Western women and their Eastern European counter parts: weight and personal style. Most Western women are overweight and will dress with little thought to their appearance. His take on Eastern men is complete BS. Some of hardest guys I have met, and if you get past their guard, best friends you'll ever have. Red pill, is the stereotype of an arrogant American expat.
Let me just point out something obvious. Relationships and dating are primarily driven by economics on a macro level. Individuals may have preferences for a certain ethnicity of people or accent but that isn't what's behind the whole geo-maxing and sexpat industry as far as these women go. Western European men are sought after because they are on average wealthier than eastern european and south east asian men. What happens when large quantities of western european men go to the Philippines, Thailand and certain parts of eastern Europe is they spoil the local women. The local women get accustomed to a better lifestyle and now all of a sudden you have all the women who seek out foreigners essentially being just as bratty and entitled as good look girls from western europe.
21:46 I've been in SEA and find the same thing. Most are single mothers and must support an extended family including their parents with no means of accomplishing it. So, they pretend to love a Western man for marriage, visas and sending lots of money home. If a man has to be another's provider, it's not romantic love. Peace.
BTW, during my eligible years, I was attracted to Russian women, but some of them were incented to marry to escape and would then dump their spouses, and there was the Russian Mob to deal with, which was even shaking down Russian NHL players.
Coach greatly helped me and my life. I didn’t listen to all his advice but a lot of it was beneficial to me and my life. I knew when he was talking about this that I disagreed entirely, and now with the war going on this advice aged very poorly. I do miss his content though
Idiot ! He is married , 2 children and has lived in Ukraine for years ! Get informed before you make a comment ! Oh... and he is not selling you anything ! 🥳
Subscribed! I'm glad you called this idiot out on his shit. He offers no real advice, it's just a carrot on a stick. He's talking to people who don't and never will have the funds to move to the places he's talking about. He's just promising greener pastures, on fields you'll never see.
Great and interesting video. These stereotype fads in the dating scene in the U.S. come and go. I am over 50 and I have seen these cultural stereotypes on the dating scene of the perfect foreign woman. In the '80s it was Asian women. '90s it was Eastern European women. Lately it is Latin American women. From my experience dating women from these different cultures is that every woman is different and just like anyone else what they want in life depends on their attitudes and beliefs.
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@Matthew Johnson Not leftover.. those who are a little more emotionally mature and want a little something more out of their lives.
This is the best comment. It’s easy to get caught up in generalizations. However, life is too complex to paint with a broad stroke. Quality women can indeed be found anywhere, it just depends on the individual woman.
@@RamiroR13 get me a Quality Woman from the West and i'll believe you. In the meantime i will Pump and dump those ukrainian Girls that Like to Party. Simply because they are fun in bed.
I don't think they even had much catching up to do. Don't forget that in ex-USSR the traditional value system was severely compromised way back in 1917. That's long before sexual revolution in the US and Western Europe.
People base thier opinions on thier own experiences. Connor has ALOT more experience dating in Eastern europe.most of what the other guy said is true based on his experiences, but probably not worth a whole lot to most guys going to Ukraine.
I just checked a website for the average salary in Ukraine per Month: 21-23K was the average low, 40-50K was the average mid, 102K was the average high. The current exchange rate is 27.?? Ukraine to 1 U.S. Dollar. ergo $1K = 27K UAH That would mean the $1K would put you in the rate of the low average. The biggest difference is living quarters are cheaper when you live in a country, compared to vacationing? I think $1K would be on the very low side to vacation in Ukraine for a month. I would prefer $5K to be able to afford a good time. To stay in a better/safer Hotel. Perhaps able to rent a nicer vehicle. I know that Germany and Western Europe have great Bus and Railroad systems. Not having to rub every penny together twice. That red pill coach really comes across as a MORON. Keep up the good work Conor.
Regarding salaries: Every Ukrainian I know would recommend you to forget those numbers as they are just not true. Why? In Ukraine and most other post-USSR countries corruption and the black economy are on an extremely high level. In private economy there it's normal and very widespread that people get an "official" salary - where also taxes are paid of. And in addition to that and to avoid taxes people get an "unofficial salary" (cash in an envelope) at the end of the month which is in many cases much higher than the official salary. And of course those unofficial salaries aren't reflected in any statistics. So nobody really knows the real average salary in Ukraine (same is valid also for Russia e.g.) but it's definitely way higher than the official numbers. But yes - compared to US or Western European standards the salaries are still very low of course.
The idea of ‘nice girls’ being linked to a girls sexual history is irrelevant in the modern age. Her virtue should be linked to how little she takes out of your wallet relative to her affection and value she brings to your life.
"Eastern European" means any country that was ever subjected to a Soviet ass whooping. Hope that clears it up for you, Connor. CRP is generally very accurate, as are you, btw. Both of you have much value to offer, imo.
Not sure there is any "map" for the man/woman connection no matter what the geography. Life is dynamic, you just do your best to find what you seek. As far as eastern Europe goes, beauty is rampant....it is external but it is absolutely present, as a man once said to me, "faces chiseled in stone". I have dated women in Kiev who were actually difficult to look at because they were so beautiful a man unconsciously stares and that is fatal. My own experience points to all of Ukraine as being one big dating, "social" . Sincerity takes time and money to ascertain. As to the "poor" western men...well...they define themselves. If you want more, be more. Even if you wish a frog had wings, it never will, just gonna keep bumping its ass on the ground.(even in Ukraine) Red pill man is just stating his limited personal opinions as though they are fact and completely generalizing. Clearly a beta male himself. No good information there. A wife from eastern Europe would be a unique experience, unique can be incredibly beautiful and also mighty dangerous....eyes open....wide open. :) The thing is...as my man Conor well knows...the game's afoot....:) A last thought. You wouldn't go on your first tiger hunt without a guide. If you go in a group you are only going to see tigers from the "bus". If that excites you, more power to you. If you really want to hunt though, without being "eaten", better call Conor or someone as versed....see you in Maidan....:)
Coach Blue Pill sounds like a Communist when it comes to dating, which may explain his love for Putin. This video reaction sheds a lot of light on Gonzalo. I guess he never heard of Tate Bros?
CRP has some interesting and thought provoking material and ALOT of it's good stuff but this whole go too Ukraine and meet Ukrainian women is BS! CRP is NOT alpha he's married! Sorry CRP all your $$$ and assets can't buy you alpha! The moment you got married you through your alpha traits right out the window!!!
There is Kharkov, and there is Ukraine. I would say Kharkov is the easiest place in the world to get laid with hot girls, you just have to buy them stuff and they will sleep with you easily. I lived in many cities in Ukraine as a foreigner and only in Kharkov, girls in the street/metro may give you strong signs that they want you to approach them. Girls that want to find a husband want to find a UKAINIAN nice guy, not foreigner. And they are usually village girls that are not well educated. If you go to small towns, good luck with girls because they are very closed. And you need to be in a social circle to have a chance to meet girls.
I got scammed good and proper from a woman from Kharkov. Beautiful and spoke English but did not hide the fact that she had a few relationships. We travelled the world together. I spent about $350k on her and then she dumped me. Don't know why she cashed in so early as I'm worth 20 times that amount.
@@normangoldstuck8107 Bad for you to hear that, yes in Kharkov there is a lot of scammers, even more in Odessa little less in Kiev. In general you don't want to invest lot of money on a girl hoping she will marry you some day, the key is the waste only what you already can give up for your own pleasure, and often say NO when a girl ask you to buy something expensive for her, because that's a red flag that she wants only your money.
11:30 The sexual market place is not skewed against decent and wholesome guys, it’s skewed against guys that look like coach red pill and unattractive men.
Geez, is inflation that sky high in Ukraine? I live in a small city in Russia (around half a million people). And its easy for single western guys to live well UNDER a $1000. You can even rent very good apartments under $500 a month. Granted, the cost of living is massively more in Moscow and St. Petersburg. But there people at least make a lot more $$$.
I've spent a lot of time in Ukraine, particularly Kiev. The reality is closer to Coach Red Pill's description imo. I guess Conor meets girls mainly in clubs, normal girls don't frequent clubs there, 30% of women in clubs there are hookers. The devushkas are desperate to find a good husband, they know if they don't find a husband before they're 25 its game over. Yea they'll be able to find some broke buttaz Evgenii to bone them even when they're 35, but that's not what they want. Ukrainian girls aren't looking for careers, most of them work because they have to, not because they want to. Ukraine is one of the few countries left with beautiful and feminine women, may God protect this land from liberal trendy culture infiltration. May they continue to breed for generations to come.
Coach Redpill's video is good as an introduction. I do disagree that the dating market in the west is skewed towards men. Thanks to cheap travel there are at least 2 billion other single ladies girls in the west have to compete with now yet Connor said it best since a guy will get eaten alive if he doesn't work on himself first and is naive going to Ukraine!
Perception of money, status and exit opportunities that foreign men offer the Eastern girl is a benefit. Western government money supporting women in motherhood reduces the appeal of staying with men who don't make the women 'happy'.
Some of the things he had said about the American women aren't even true. There are American women who want to have a husband and a family and a place to call home.
@@Double2KK Keith stop this bs narrative. I know what sort of US bs entered India since India opened her economy to US. Today the Bombay Stock Exchange can buy 10 Ukraines (Market cap vs GDP) but we men are furious on this garbage. I have lived in 4 countries by now - I know the bs pretty well. Don't try to fake it.
I think it will be even higher rate. Because these women want take all possible money from the foreigners after a divorce. And you're gonna stay without your wife, your kids and money.
Despite agreeing with a lot of what he says you still manage to sound completely negative and maybe even jealous. No one can match Gonzalo for his extremely intelligent and astute analysis.
You maybe right. However, the average American male thinks the situation between the sexes is so bad, that anyplace else would be better. The current situationin USA is unbearable..
After seeing your video and after doing several trips to Eastern Europe from Mexico I can undoubtely say that women are more feminine than in West, but those feminine women have a price: a very masculine guy. CRP is good as saying that these girls want a guy who is "like a stone" because that means control of emotions and that's a feature I found slavic girls like (and all women BTW). CRP is wrong about the perspective of slavic males. Indeed slavic males are very masculine. Their problem is that they are from a poor country, so slavic women (in general) have this hypergamy and it's true lot of them just use the work like a curtain while obtaining a high value man and then they can become lazy. It's a trick because at a time you have a very beautiful woman, but it can backfire with time, because you couldn't realize if she's with you because she loves you or the life you can provide. One more thing: dating in Slavic countries IS NOT EASY. You need to man up before. Connor is right at saying you need to keep a very very strong frame. If you don't do it, believe me, these girls will think (and will punish you for that) you are a "less man" and coward and will compare you with other men. Eastern Europe is a big challenge. Stop thinking is a paradise. The biology laws apply here most than in other place in the world.
Don't get me wrong! Between his early material (I think 2015) to early 2019 he was great to listen to about life skills. He help me get over my ex fiance who I was trying to chase back not realising how pathetic that was. Ever since covid 19 he become more of a conspiracy nut.
Yeah, and don't forget he failed miserably at predicting anything at all related to COVID. Seems like he realized that nobody will take him seriously on that topic. So apparently now he's become an "expert" in politics, and is translating the pro-Putin narrative from Russia Today and other Putinist media to his radicalized fans.
I am an incel I live in Italy, I always dreamed about moving to Eastern Europe to solve my problems find a girlfriend, merry her and have a family. I've never been there but I have had this feeling that I would realize myself in a few years if I land there. Your review about the red pill coach is very helpful. I understood it was an illusion. Now I spend time to invest in myself and to enjoy my life. Thank you Conor Clyde. 👍🏻
You won't know without trying... 40% of men live alone in all countries of the West, 50% in the US. It was 15% in 1960, what it is in all Eastern Europe today. What do you think those numbers mean for men? And this is not unmarried. It's ALONE.
@@Elijah_Markin Yeah, CRP made so many mistakes that the easiest way to wash off the shame is to totally nuke his own channel. But apparently, he's now an "expert" on Russia-Ukraine relation and fairly active on Twitter on that topic.
Well, maybe if you analyze all his points one by one there are many things that are not 100 % true. However, I have been in Poland and Hungary and Ukraine. I have definitely noticed that getting female attention in these countries is easier than at home in the West.
The university is an ideal place to mate in that you have the advantage of the work the admissions staff has done, but university women don't necessarily like university men, or even men, which I found out the hard way. I needed to work harder, but I thought I might do it later.
ok, this stuff about eating cheaply. I eat in restaurants in Kiev. I can't eat anything for less than ten pounds. My bill is rarely less than 500 UAH. Same in Istanbul.
well u may not believe in this case what he said but americans better believe the one he made ,time to leave america.he has been right up to date sence he made that video.
I have rarely seen Coach Red Pill off on anything. Oh yeah, I don't agree with his harsh broad brush assessment of single MOMs. Coble for your slingshot David.)
Perhaps there may be some good single moms out there but for the most parts theyre just DGs as Matt Cross from the 33 secrets would say! Another Red piller
With respect to dating in Ukraine, CRP doesn’t seem to have the necessary experience or knowledge that can only be gained in the dating ‘trenches’ of Eastern Europe ... 😉
Ive been to Odessa several times and you can get an airbnb pretty easily for 750 a month and much less during the winter. What you would need another $2,250 for is beyond me. What things will cost so much especially if you have a Ukrainian woman who gets you Ukrainian prices? Are you going to go to all the jacked up Odessa tourist restaurants all the time? Why? A gym membership is 35 to 40 USD a month, say $350 for food, another $300 for partying- hell thats under $1500 right there. Average salary in Odessa is $400 a month. Sure if you want to hang out at Ixtapa and those type places all the time it will be around $3000, but in reality you could live there easily on $2000 a month (easily). Maybe Conor should break down his bills, he must spend a lot of dough on the chickies.
Also Kharkiv is much less touristic than Odessa, it is by far cheaper in Kharkiv and probably a lot less scammers especially in summer when all the scammers head to Odessa from far and wide. Odessa is very easy to adopt to once you learn the ropes, English is spoken more abundantly, naturally you are going to have to pay more there, but not 3g's a month, if I needed 3g's a month I wouldnt stay in Odessa because there would be much better options out there all over Eastern Europe. Think of where you live now in the USA or elsewhere, how much money do you spend on food, partying and bills other than driving and rent? More than $1000? If so you are either living in a very expensive area or you are living wastefully. You could easily cut that down to 400 to $700 a month in Ukraine.
So most of the girls are doing porn and side prostitution there? And the exchange rate is $28 to $1 there, so $1000 is going to be $28000 there. That guy is probably closer on that one.
You are also smart to emphasize a strong masculine frame. I started doing light workouts to improve my golf, and an unintended consequence was that woman were occasionally attracted to me, but I knew that there were stronger guys out there, and it would not be worthwhile to try to compete in the destructive marketplace that your colleague described, because any woman I could attract would inevitably move on. Ultimately I was "just a guy." It is possible to develop more muscle than the underlying frame can support, and I didn't.
CRP is more knowledgeable about women than you who is casting aspersions on him. And there's no gainsaying the fact that eastern European women are not as masculine and toxic as American women. It's not debatable
I think you guys are closer in agreement than your initial description and the title suggest.
The ultimate difference is this, you have the "jaded" perspective and he has the "optimist / naive" perspective. He's too positive, because his entire experience is with a little bit older women and outside of the cities, and includes his wife, who I'm sure does meet the criteria he sets out. On the other hand, you're mainly in the party scene, and mainly meet women who are more loose, more "worldly", more less traditional, so your perspective skews the other way.
I hate being the centrist in any position, but here it's pretty clear the actual truth of the situation lies about at the half-way point between you too, and as with many things in life "your experience may vary", dependent on personal and environmental factors unique to you.
I think the biggest difference is the audiences that we are speaking to respectively (albeit there is some overlap in TH-cam viewers).
Gonzalo is speaking to guys from the West who are struggling to get any girls (who also presumably have never visited Eastern Europe) while I'm speaking to guys who can get girls but are looking to improve their dating options (and normally have some experience with dating in Eastern Europe).
You're right that he is being 'naive' about his quasi-incel audience jumping on a plane to Kyiv and then finding a 'beautiful traditional virgin' wife waiting for them here. It's not the 1990s in the ex-USSR ... much more likely that such guys will be ripped off by some romance scammers unfortunately.
On the other hand, I am an optimist that if you are armed with the right knowledge and implement an effective dating strategy for Eastern Europe then you will dramatically improve on your current options in the West. Several of my in-person clients even got married to women they met while 'partying' with me here in Ukraine and Belarus. 😃
In sum, I'm a pragmatist on moving to/dating in Eastern Europe ... Gonzalo appears idealistic even borderline quixotic in this video to say the least.
@Conor Clyne - Tsar Experience Fair point. I see where you're coming from. It is important to, in a sense, crush the expectation of naive people who think they are going to go to Eastern Europe, having been totally unsuccessful with women generally, and find a magical fairy land where with no effort or understanding of the culture, they will find the perfect women.
I sympathize with Coach Red Pill though, because while you are absolutely correct about the facts of Slavic Eastern Europe, Americans in the red pill community loves to cherry-pick certain negatives about other cultures and regions (for example your divorce stat) to argue that: *_all women are the same everywhere, culture doesn't matter / doesn't exist - all the world is exactly the same as America so "get used to it" and just "man up and deal with American women"._*
As a former American, I see the lie that "whole world = America" (except "shithole countries" that America has wars in) is a prevailing part of the red-pill community, which is an American originated ideology, and I think CRP is pushing back against that blind spot so young men don't wallow in that very toxic society and have hope of actually changing their lives, though perhaps he's pushing to hard in the other direction and setting them up for failure without the right balanced understanding.
Ultimately, I think your pragmatic approach is correct, I just wanted to share with you that American mentality; any negative about a country that isn't America is used to promote the "MURICA NUMBER #1" propaganda which often traps young men in a terrible country and terrible lives under the mistaken belief that it can't be better anywhere else.
I believed that propaganda for a long time, and trapped myself in the United States for too many years, until I finally woke up and got out (and now have a great life in nearly every way), and I only wish I had done so earlier.
@@ConorClyneNewEurope Gonzalo does not sound idealistic. He speaks about different sort of females who do not party at all. Hence you have never had a chance to meet them. They are not easy because, most probably, their fathers are not lousy loosers. That means that word "dating" is not applicable to those females.
@@ConorClyneNewEurope True, he is also insulting - Western girls are most likely amateur porn actresses, hugely prolific, indiscriminate fornicators and sluttish - is a highly dubious and insulting assertion. The West is a decadent society, 'going down the tubes' is ridiculous, given the economic and legal protection we enjoy over more mafia-influenced societies, such as the Ukrainian one.
The assumption that having a family over a career is ethically superior seems highly contestable, especially in the context of women's liberation and self-fufillment. Perhaps he should read The Second Sex.
The most cursory glance at dating apps and indeed general sartorial behaviour here in Kiev, from where I currently write, reveals that women are just as libidinous and go-getting as their Western counter-parts. Eschewing sex before marriage is common in certain parts of Asia and the Middle East, but it is not even advisable, as sex and the experience thereof is a key predictor for a successful marriage. Abstemption is ultimately self-defeating. Forgoing sex with a partner pending 'holy bed-lock' is the relationship equivalent of paying for a ten year hotel stay before you spend a night in it. There are many paths to innocence; depriving oneself of a pleasurable and informative psychological experience, sex, is not one of them.
As for England, from where I hail, being more decadent, I can now rejoin with my own assertion; in the UK I can hail a taxi and pay a price based on a metre at a fair price for both of us anywhere in England. In England, I can be fairly sure the police will not confiscate my passport in order to extract a fine based on a bogus charge. In England, I am very unlikely to be scammed by five people in a row with the collusion of a five star restaurant and a taxi driver.
I am not even going to discuss the hospitals and bribe-system...
And to be honest, any restaurant that you might venture into in the capital will actually not be cheaper than the average English one. It might actually be more expensive. In Both Kiev and most parts of London, a steak and chips will cost you about 15 dollars. Hotels here are about 60 euros - obviously I should use the B and B system but even so...
I will assume that a night club in Kiev will be just as expensive judging by the door fees.
So, if the Ukraine, as many do indeed assert, and Connor's stories (and my one week's experience) bear out, is indeed one of the most corrupt if not the most corrupt place in Europe, how can England be the decadent one?
I agree, of course, it is a beautiful country, well worth a visit, still.
No. Dude stop finding excuses. Your "Guru" coach is a lightweight that doesn't know what he is talking about at all. He is someone who likes to smell his own farts
I've lived in Ukraine for many years. This Coach Red Pill guy is annoyingly confident for someone who is wrong in most of his comments.
*annoyingly arrogant.
He is not wrong that the west sucks but men without the langugage and looks will not do well anywhere that is not western. Ukrainian women can be very hard for weak men to keep let alone attain.
Build a business, put your money in a Ukrainian Bank and watch it mysteriously dissappear.😅🤣😂
yep the inflation is insane.
Hunter Biden, and 'The Big Guy' Got Some of it.
hahhhh
That guy is about 20-years out of date on his info. Was in Russia in 98' and it was a meat market because the economic collapse and the new exposer to the west.. However, it's totally different now. My ex is from Podolsk-south of Moscow, she would laugh her ass off, if she watched red pill guy. Women are the same anywhere you visit-with the possible exception of South-East Asia. Particularly the Philippines. If you can't hook up in PH, there is no hope for you. The biggest difference between Western women and their Eastern European counter parts: weight and personal style. Most Western women are overweight and will dress with little thought to their appearance. His take on Eastern men is complete BS. Some of hardest guys I have met, and if you get past their guard, best friends you'll ever have. Red pill, is the stereotype of an arrogant American expat.
Yeah this other guy is selling a bad narrative to guys who already live in a bad narrative.
Not a great help.
This aged well.
She: "No money, no honey!"
He: "No hymen, no diamond!"
Let me just point out something obvious. Relationships and dating are primarily driven by economics on a macro level. Individuals may have preferences for a certain ethnicity of people or accent but that isn't what's behind the whole geo-maxing and sexpat industry as far as these women go. Western European men are sought after because they are on average wealthier than eastern european and south east asian men. What happens when large quantities of western european men go to the Philippines, Thailand and certain parts of eastern Europe is they spoil the local women. The local women get accustomed to a better lifestyle and now all of a sudden you have all the women who seek out foreigners essentially being just as bratty and entitled as good look girls from western europe.
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21:46 I've been in SEA and find the same thing. Most are single mothers and must support an extended family including their parents with no means of accomplishing it. So, they pretend to love a Western man for marriage, visas and sending lots of money home. If a man has to be another's provider, it's not romantic love. Peace.
BTW, during my eligible years, I was attracted to Russian women, but some of them were incented to marry to escape and would then dump their spouses, and there was the Russian Mob to deal with, which was even shaking down Russian NHL players.
Coach greatly helped me and my life. I didn’t listen to all his advice but a lot of it was beneficial to me and my life. I knew when he was talking about this that I disagreed entirely, and now with the war going on this advice aged very poorly. I do miss his content though
Coach Red Pill is a writer...he makes those stories about his past girlfriends (dating in NYC etc) up. Also this story about "Peter". Greets
Yeah, he's a professional script writer and movie director.
that dude is a spook straight up.... also filthy rich and privileged.
So excited to see your analysis on these Red Pill coaches!
He's just trying to sell a narrative. Spend one day in Ukraine, expert about Ukraine! Lol
How many days you spend.? He try to help some dummy like you and me. Jejeje
Idiot ! He is married , 2 children and has lived in Ukraine for years !
Get informed before you make a comment ! Oh... and he is not selling you anything ! 🥳
Most people that's opinionated on the subject couldn't even locate Ukraine before the war
He has lived there longer then that 😁
Coach red pill lives in Ukraine
Subscribed! I'm glad you called this idiot out on his shit. He offers no real advice, it's just a carrot on a stick. He's talking to people who don't and never will have the funds to move to the places he's talking about. He's just promising greener pastures, on fields you'll never see.
Huh salty? I know da way Brother but regardless you wont listen.
Weird that that Chilean guy sounds more of a native English speaker than Connor, who I thought was a linguistically talented Russian at first.
He was raised in the US even though he was born in Chile
Russian? lol, Connor is Irish :)
Hahahahahahaha
He does not speak Russian nor Ukrainian
As the war began, my mind was brought back here.
Because you know there will be less competition in Ukraine now? Tons of Ukrainian men are dying and there won’t be enough for every Ukrainian woman
gonzalo lira is GOAT
Great and interesting video. These stereotype fads in the dating scene in the U.S. come and go. I am over 50 and I have seen these cultural stereotypes on the dating scene of the perfect foreign woman. In the '80s it was Asian women. '90s it was Eastern European women. Lately it is Latin American women. From my experience dating women from these different cultures is that every woman is different and just like anyone else what they want in life depends on their attitudes and beliefs.
@Matthew Johnson Not leftover.. those who are a little more emotionally mature and want a little something more out of their lives.
Mgtow knowledge Proves FEMALE NATURE IS UNIVERSAL.
It's Hypergamous and Follows Briffaults Law 😳
@@coiledsteel8344 yep alpha seed beta need i the rule of nature; sadly these boomers cannot help but simp
This is the best comment. It’s easy to get caught up in generalizations. However, life is too complex to paint with a broad stroke. Quality women can indeed be found anywhere, it just depends on the individual woman.
@@RamiroR13 get me a Quality Woman from the West and i'll believe you. In the meantime i will Pump and dump those ukrainian Girls that Like to Party. Simply because they are fun in bed.
Why do I get a feeling that all he is spouting off about is his political viewpoint?
Would have been good if you included the link to the video you are critiquing.
It’s there in the video description underneath the video
So sounds like your saying that ukraine Russia Belarus women are catching up to American women riding the carousel,ok got it
I don't think they even had much catching up to do. Don't forget that in ex-USSR the traditional value system was severely compromised way back in 1917. That's long before sexual revolution in the US and Western Europe.
People base thier opinions on thier own experiences. Connor has ALOT more experience dating in Eastern europe.most of what the other guy said is true based on his experiences, but probably not worth a whole lot to most guys going to Ukraine.
I just checked a website for the average salary in Ukraine per Month: 21-23K was the average low, 40-50K was the average mid, 102K was the average high. The current exchange rate is 27.?? Ukraine to 1 U.S. Dollar. ergo $1K = 27K UAH That would mean the $1K would put you in the rate of the low average. The biggest difference is living quarters are cheaper when you live in a country, compared to vacationing? I think $1K would be on the very low side to vacation in Ukraine for a month. I would prefer $5K to be able to afford a good time. To stay in a better/safer Hotel. Perhaps able to rent a nicer vehicle. I know that Germany and Western Europe have great Bus and Railroad systems. Not having to rub every penny together twice. That red pill coach really comes across as a MORON. Keep up the good work Conor.
Regarding salaries: Every Ukrainian I know would recommend you to forget those numbers as they are just not true.
Why? In Ukraine and most other post-USSR countries corruption and the black economy are on an extremely high level. In private economy there it's normal and very widespread that people get an "official" salary - where also taxes are paid of. And in addition to that and to avoid taxes people get an "unofficial salary" (cash in an envelope) at the end of the month which is in many cases much higher than the official salary. And of course those unofficial salaries aren't reflected in any statistics. So nobody really knows the real average salary in Ukraine (same is valid also for Russia e.g.) but it's definitely way higher than the official numbers.
But yes - compared to US or Western European standards the salaries are still very low of course.
Coach Red Pill needs to shave his nose hair...LOL
What does his wife look like? Receipts.
"Take out your credit card and pay for me simp" . This statement cracked me up :)
The idea of ‘nice girls’ being linked to a girls sexual history is irrelevant in the modern age. Her virtue should be linked to how little she takes out of your wallet relative to her affection and value she brings to your life.
Essentially you want them fresh and affordable.
"Eastern European" means any country that was ever subjected to a Soviet ass whooping. Hope that clears it up for you, Connor. CRP is generally very accurate, as are you, btw. Both of you have much value to offer, imo.
Not sure there is any "map" for the man/woman connection no matter what the geography. Life is dynamic, you just do your best to find what you seek. As far as eastern Europe goes, beauty is rampant....it is external but it is absolutely present, as a man once said to me, "faces chiseled in stone". I have dated women in Kiev who were actually difficult to look at because they were so beautiful a man unconsciously stares and that is fatal. My own experience points to all of Ukraine as being one big dating, "social" . Sincerity takes time and money to ascertain.
As to the "poor" western men...well...they define themselves. If you want more, be more. Even if you wish a frog had wings, it never will, just gonna keep bumping its ass on the ground.(even in Ukraine)
Red pill man is just stating his limited personal opinions as though they are fact and completely generalizing. Clearly a beta male himself. No good information there. A wife from eastern Europe would be a unique experience, unique can be incredibly beautiful and also mighty dangerous....eyes open....wide open. :) The thing is...as my man Conor well knows...the game's afoot....:)
A last thought. You wouldn't go on your first tiger hunt without a guide. If you go in a group you are only going to see tigers from the "bus". If that excites you, more power to you. If you really want to hunt though, without being "eaten", better call Conor or someone as versed....see you in Maidan....:)
Good for you Conor to have the courage to point out the discrepancies in this other guy video. Respect!!!
RIP
Where is this guy getting his information from. I’ve never been to the Ukraine but his comments seem incredibly ignorant.
Coach Blue Pill sounds like a Communist when it comes to dating, which may explain his love for Putin. This video reaction sheds a lot of light on Gonzalo. I guess he never heard of Tate Bros?
It's interesting how both far-right and far-left tendencies tend to co-exist in politically radicalized activists.
Damn. Conor you are tearing apart our CRP lol. Savage. Brutal.
That's good that Connor is making this video, coach red pill should call himself coach blue pill.
CRP has some interesting and thought provoking material and ALOT of it's good stuff but this whole go too Ukraine and meet Ukrainian women is BS! CRP is NOT alpha he's married! Sorry CRP all your $$$ and assets can't buy you alpha! The moment you got married you through your alpha traits right out the window!!!
There is Kharkov, and there is Ukraine. I would say Kharkov is the easiest place in the world to get laid with hot girls, you just have to buy them stuff and they will sleep with you easily.
I lived in many cities in Ukraine as a foreigner and only in Kharkov, girls in the street/metro may give you strong signs that they want you to approach them.
Girls that want to find a husband want to find a UKAINIAN nice guy, not foreigner. And they are usually village girls that are not well educated.
If you go to small towns, good luck with girls because they are very closed. And you need to be in a social circle to have a chance to meet girls.
I got scammed good and proper from a woman from Kharkov. Beautiful and spoke English but did not hide the fact that she had a few relationships. We travelled the world together. I spent about $350k on her and then she dumped me. Don't know why she cashed in so early as I'm worth 20 times that amount.
@@normangoldstuck8107 Bad for you to hear that, yes in Kharkov there is a lot of scammers, even more in Odessa little less in Kiev.
In general you don't want to invest lot of money on a girl hoping she will marry you some day, the key is the waste only what you already can give up for your own pleasure, and often say NO when a girl ask you to buy something expensive for her, because that's a red flag that she wants only your money.
You can't deny that Eastern Europe is way better than Western Europe, amd this was his whole point.
11:30 The sexual market place is not skewed against decent and wholesome guys, it’s skewed against guys that look like coach red pill and unattractive men.
Hahahahahahahhahaha
Sounds like you lost your eggs
~70% of men are physically unattractive to women, according to studies.
Sounds like you lost your sperms too
I could probably get by on $1k/month in a smaller city if I was frugal. $2k/month would be comfortable,but not lavish
Where?
@@Kitiwake Kherson for one
Geez, is inflation that sky high in Ukraine? I live in a small city in Russia (around half a million people). And its easy for single western guys to live well UNDER a $1000. You can even rent very good apartments under $500 a month. Granted, the cost of living is massively more in Moscow and St. Petersburg. But there people at least make a lot more $$$.
I've spent a lot of time in Ukraine, particularly Kiev. The reality is closer to Coach Red Pill's description imo. I guess Conor meets girls mainly in clubs, normal girls don't frequent clubs there, 30% of women in clubs there are hookers. The devushkas are desperate to find a good husband, they know if they don't find a husband before they're 25 its game over. Yea they'll be able to find some broke buttaz Evgenii to bone them even when they're 35, but that's not what they want. Ukrainian girls aren't looking for careers, most of them work because they have to, not because they want to. Ukraine is one of the few countries left with beautiful and feminine women, may God protect this land from liberal trendy culture infiltration. May they continue to breed for generations to come.
Coach Redpill's video is good as an introduction. I do disagree that the dating market in the west is skewed towards men. Thanks to cheap travel there are at least 2 billion other single ladies girls in the west have to compete with now yet Connor said it best since a guy will get eaten alive if he doesn't work on himself first and is naive going to Ukraine!
Oh yes met a ukrainian Party Girl and sehr was fire. Had a German Girl friend before that and its Just another Dimension.
100% rent free.
Perception of money, status and exit opportunities that foreign men offer the Eastern girl is a benefit. Western government money supporting women in motherhood reduces the appeal of staying with men who don't make the women 'happy'.
Yeah I see Conor's and coach Red Pill opinion to be a bit similar.
Some of the things he had said about the American women aren't even true. There are American women who want to have a husband and a family and a place to call home.
In your dreams?
@UCTHoj6zgusjMFTHSALxB3JA beauty is in the eye of the beholder and also the impossible standards of beauty women strive to attain.
@@Double2KK Keith stop this bs narrative. I know what sort of US bs entered India since India opened her economy to US. Today the Bombay Stock Exchange can buy 10 Ukraines (Market cap vs GDP) but we men are furious on this garbage. I have lived in 4 countries by now - I know the bs pretty well. Don't try to fake it.
I just looked the divorce rate in Ukraine and it 3.5 for every thousand. That about 35% not 60 % as u mentioned
That would make 35% and regardless lots of married people cheat.
Subbed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rest in Peace Gonzalo Lira C.R.P.
60% divorce rate? So the liklihood of a foreigner marrying a Ukranian also has a 60% divorce rate.
I think it will be even higher rate. Because these women want take all possible money from the foreigners after a divorce. And you're gonna stay without your wife, your kids and money.
Hahahahaha so fucking insane man it's pathetic
Despite agreeing with a lot of what he says you still manage to sound completely negative and maybe even jealous. No one can match Gonzalo for his extremely intelligent and astute analysis.
You maybe right. However, the average American male thinks the situation between the sexes is so bad, that anyplace else would be better. The current situationin USA is unbearable..
What is different in Hungary?
After seeing your video and after doing several trips to Eastern Europe from Mexico I can undoubtely say that women are more feminine than in West, but those feminine women have a price: a very masculine guy. CRP is good as saying that these girls want a guy who is "like a stone" because that means control of emotions and that's a feature I found slavic girls like (and all women BTW).
CRP is wrong about the perspective of slavic males. Indeed slavic males are very masculine. Their problem is that they are from a poor country, so slavic women (in general) have this hypergamy and it's true lot of them just use the work like a curtain while obtaining a high value man and then they can become lazy. It's a trick because at a time you have a very beautiful woman, but it can backfire with time, because you couldn't realize if she's with you because she loves you or the life you can provide.
One more thing: dating in Slavic countries IS NOT EASY. You need to man up before. Connor is right at saying you need to keep a very very strong frame. If you don't do it, believe me, these girls will think (and will punish you for that) you are a "less man" and coward and will compare you with other men. Eastern Europe is a big challenge. Stop thinking is a paradise. The biology laws apply here most than in other place in the world.
Hey, why 60 years old men is looking for vergin?maby couch red pill should try to pick up A girl in saudi Arabia?
or taliban maxxing now :))
Top video!
Don't get me wrong! Between his early material (I think 2015) to early 2019 he was great to listen to about life skills. He help me get over my ex fiance who I was trying to chase back not realising how pathetic that was. Ever since covid 19 he become more of a conspiracy nut.
Actually, CRP's made this video before corona. Truth is he's always been talking out of his агsе.
Yeah, and don't forget he failed miserably at predicting anything at all related to COVID. Seems like he realized that nobody will take him seriously on that topic. So apparently now he's become an "expert" in politics, and is translating the pro-Putin narrative from Russia Today and other Putinist media to his radicalized fans.
I wanna spend the summer in Ukraine.
Gonzo is a well known huckster.
Just one thing wrong with your comment, hucksters don’t die they live long and well behind their media screens.
Great video Conor, coach red pill was off the mark with a few things ... Tsar all the way 🙌 !!!
I am an incel I live in Italy, I always dreamed about moving to Eastern Europe to solve my problems find a girlfriend, merry her and have a family.
I've never been there but I have had this feeling that I would realize myself in a few years if I land there.
Your review about the red pill coach is very helpful.
I understood it was an illusion. Now I spend time to invest in myself and to enjoy my life.
Thank you Conor Clyde. 👍🏻
You won't know without trying... 40% of men live alone in all countries of the West, 50% in the US. It was 15% in 1960, what it is in all Eastern Europe today. What do you think those numbers mean for men? And this is not unmarried. It's ALONE.
You know I can tell when.... Yeah, people are lying ? Yeah, well they tend to , yeah, self assert these stories .
Conor is too comfortable sitting outside with his MacBook. Easy target for some thieves.
U hit the wall
Marty, you’re going to have to do something about those clothes. Isn't the future weird?
His opinion is probably better because he’s lived in both places
That dude should delete his vid... Doesn't make sense what he's talking about in Ukraine or America... got only one point right, learn Russian
He's already deleted his channel :)
@@Elijah_Markin Yeah, CRP made so many mistakes that the easiest way to wash off the shame is to totally nuke his own channel. But apparently, he's now an "expert" on Russia-Ukraine relation and fairly active on Twitter on that topic.
David v. Goliath - should be interesting)
Joe are you and Conor chums?
Wow! Joe I presume. A fan of the tsar exp too?
Conor is David then? I enjoy the sar exp more than CRP any day of the week!
@@fermarro5436 Do you watch Joe? Sometimes he has great content, sometimes too off base and self-serving however.
Well, maybe if you analyze all his points one by one there are many things that are not 100 % true. However, I have been in Poland and Hungary and Ukraine. I have definitely noticed that getting female attention in these countries is easier than at home in the West.
Anyone who says otherwise is a fool or a liar.
Looks like you are at cafe next to the Opera house in Odessa))) I like odessa and that is a nice cafe you are at also.
I had a nice lunch with a very hot scammer there, she is still on Ukraine Date looking for men. Oh well she was a one nighter so no harm done.
The university is an ideal place to mate in that you have the advantage of the work the admissions staff has done, but university women don't necessarily like university men, or even men, which I found out the hard way. I needed to work harder, but I thought I might do it later.
CRP isn’t dead, I can’t accept that
It´s an advertisement on both sides...
One way to put it is, Aspire to the spires, and cast the cats.
Coach Red Pill is reported to have been Interrogated tortured and killed by Ukranian forces. RIP!
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Reported by who? 😂
Crp is delusional sometimes .. but you .. you talk wayy too much
ok, this stuff about eating cheaply. I eat in restaurants in Kiev. I can't eat anything for less than ten pounds. My bill is rarely less than 500 UAH. Same in Istanbul.
Why do you take away my nice Illusion ? 😢
That's what I'm for ... the cold hard facts ... 😉
The distractions from cats are actually an opportunity for enrichment and even profit. As a lawyer, it is a potential client for mutual value.
Could you do a video on how to get residence in Ukraine? How easy is it to get a work visa? Etc.
I go into that in my premium programs. You will receive a notification on how to join the next time it opens if you are on my free mailing list
Only what he said true was that in western europe girls settle down very early, but he forgot say that they all fyle for divorce in 3 years.
Pause at 18:11
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Almost 99% of Ukrainian and Russian girls are not virgin by the age of 14-15 lol
well u may not believe in this case what he said but americans better believe the one he made ,time to leave america.he has been right up to date sence he made that video.
Really shocked to see my posted missing. Conor are you trying to censor me?
it's google
I just checked out your link...Lol. I can't knock the hustle.
Really! My post gets nuked within minutes. Reposting.
He is just cringe.
I believe u,I wonna visit Ukraine first for my dental appointment,then I will figure out,am from Washington DC
México
It's being invaded right now. Glad I stayed home
Yeah, and this CRP guy told us 2 months ago that "everyone who thinks Russia is going to invade is just plain stupid".
I have rarely seen Coach Red Pill off on anything. Oh yeah, I don't agree with his harsh broad brush assessment of single MOMs. Coble for your slingshot David.)
Sarcasm is an ugly suit to wear Joe, so is snarkiness.
Perhaps there may be some good single moms out there but for the most parts theyre just DGs as Matt Cross from the 33 secrets would say! Another Red piller
With respect to dating in Ukraine, CRP doesn’t seem to have the necessary experience or knowledge that can only be gained in the dating ‘trenches’ of Eastern Europe ... 😉
Ive been to Odessa several times and you can get an airbnb pretty easily for 750 a month and much less during the winter. What you would need another $2,250 for is beyond me. What things will cost so much especially if you have a Ukrainian woman who gets you Ukrainian prices? Are you going to go to all the jacked up Odessa tourist restaurants all the time? Why? A gym membership is 35 to 40 USD a month, say $350 for food, another $300 for partying- hell thats under $1500 right there. Average salary in Odessa is $400 a month. Sure if you want to hang out at Ixtapa and those type places all the time it will be around $3000, but in reality you could live there easily on $2000 a month (easily). Maybe Conor should break down his bills, he must spend a lot of dough on the chickies.
Also Kharkiv is much less touristic than Odessa, it is by far cheaper in Kharkiv and probably a lot less scammers especially in summer when all the scammers head to Odessa from far and wide. Odessa is very easy to adopt to once you learn the ropes, English is spoken more abundantly, naturally you are going to have to pay more there, but not 3g's a month, if I needed 3g's a month I wouldnt stay in Odessa because there would be much better options out there all over Eastern Europe. Think of where you live now in the USA or elsewhere, how much money do you spend on food, partying and bills other than driving and rent? More than $1000? If so you are either living in a very expensive area or you are living wastefully. You could easily cut that down to 400 to $700 a month in Ukraine.
I lived in Lviv for $300 a month rent and $150 for food. The bus system is super cheap also.
This guy must be staying in a really nice place 😂
So most of the girls are doing porn and side prostitution there? And the exchange rate is $28 to $1 there, so $1000 is going to be $28000 there. That guy is probably closer on that one.
LOL Western women scared you to move to Ukraine back then, and Russia is scaring you to move to Africa now XD
You are also smart to emphasize a strong masculine frame. I started doing light workouts to improve my golf, and an unintended consequence was that woman were occasionally attracted to me, but I knew that there were stronger guys out there, and it would not be worthwhile to try to compete in the destructive marketplace that your colleague described, because any woman I could attract would inevitably move on. Ultimately I was "just a guy." It is possible to develop more muscle than the underlying frame can support, and I didn't.
CRP is more knowledgeable about women than you who is casting aspersions on him.
And there's no gainsaying the fact that eastern European women are not as masculine and toxic as American women. It's not debatable
Wicked interesting & intellectual
Seems the pie is bigger in Eastern Europe if not something drastically different.
Love your videos
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One word: Economics !!! women are far less picky because they don’t have the luxury to be so. CRP is a bottom feeder