Lumbee English: Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2008
- Part 1 of an excerpt from "Indian by Birth: The Lumbee Dialect"
Available on our compilation DVD, "The Road Less Traveled":
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Learn more about the Lumbee Tribe:
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ABOUT INDIAN BY BIRTH
Stripped of their heritage language generations ago, the Lumbee Indians of Southeastern North Carolina carved out a unique dialect of English to maintain their distinctive cultural identity.
A film by NEAL HUTCHESON
Executive Producer WALT WOLFRAM
A Production of THE LANGUAGE AND LIFE PROJECT
At North Carolina State University
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I grew up in Lumberton and as a white person, I can tell you that one of the most beautiful things ever is the Lumbee Indian dialect. It is a language they speak and identify with. Many of their words were absorbed into the local white dialect like the word "mommock". I heard my mother use it often along with other words she grew up hearing and incorporating into her everyday conversations. Recently when my wife was in the emergency room at the local hospital, the nurse had long conversations with us and it took about one minute to recognize she was a Lumbee Indian and still lived in Robeson County. It was so gratifying to hear her talk, I hugged her and expressed my gratitude to her for taking care of my wife.
As a young boy working with my Dad installing tobacco curers, I had the opportunity to listen to a Lumbee Indian describe his encounter with a highway patrolman. This is as close to his actual pronunciation of the words I can get but will tell you now, they were great and something I hope to remember for the rest of my life. "Ah was a ridding down the haghway and this here haghway petroleum rid up aside me and blew his syringe rat in my year." Translation - I was riding down the highway and a highway patrolman rode up beside me and turned on his siren in my ear.
Another example a couple of years ago was when I was shopping for some office equipment in a local warehouse. The owner was busy helping another customer and I immediately recognized his dialect and knew he was a Lumbee Indian from Robeson County. He asked the owner if he was "retard". Music to my ears because I knew he meant "retired". Another word that can be unrecognizable by outsiders is the word "rinse". For all his live, my Dad said "wrench". "Did you 'wrench' the wet towel out yet?"
The mixed use of local dialects made the Robeson County residents a little unique and even though the proper use of grammar may not suit outside ears, for most of us who grew up in Robeson County years ago, it is still music to our ears and most welcome anytime the opportunity to hear it arises.
Okay let's be 100% honest here lumbees have no language and no belief system they can hold up historical archaeology. On top of this predominantly the community when DNA tested was 60+% African and 22+% European with most being 2% or less Native American.
What does this all mean? They are undeniably NOT I Native American Tribe in any shape fashion or form.
the other things that hurt them so much as the fact that they change their name multiple times since 1911 they called themselves Croatan, Cherokee, Cheraw, Indians of Robeson County, Siouan and now Lumbee.
so if they're actually at Rob why continuously change your name trying to get Federal recognition???
This is very simple it's all for money. Don't let them fool you into thinking they just want recognition. They won't the Federal gland that they'll be given along with the casinos they can put on it so that they can make money that's what this is about. Accept it will never happen because they're not Native American as their DNA clearly shows. They are African and European mixed along with Asian Indian with an average across the board who have tested that are 2% or less Native American.
RED S7VN True. I’m from the area and everyone knows they’re “half-breeds” claiming to be native.
HEY PAPA HOW YOU DOIN DADDY
@@reds7vn644 real native tribes after the African slave trade and during the diaspora of a lot of native American tribes didn’t count out any percentage any % over 50-60% because of these event and the cross breeding of held native slaves
@@HueyPPLong Then why did the state of North Carolina recognize them as CHEROKEE firstly wise a##? 😏.. Also many of them have native phenotypes , explain that.
Every Lumbee person I've known has always been a likeable person. Also, some of the body language in the video, for example the way the older man sitting outside nodded his head, is very characteristic.
Old man sits outside nodding his head... HE MUST BE LUMBEE
had a buddy that was Lumbee. took me a little while to understand him. one of the greatest guys I ever knew.
He was speaking hillbilly english. Lumbee never were a tribe, so have no native language. Lumbee are african and European & have only known english since leaving VA to settle in N.C. They have zero native words Bcuz they are zero N.A.
@@tippy550storm Get off my tribes page and find something to do better with your time you fkn hater. Probably Cherokee scum if I had to guess right.
For all you guys using the genetic test results to call Lumbees not native:
"In a calculation I made of the available data, I discovered that of the 944 Lumbee males whose Y-chromosomes were tested overall, 547 of them showed a result which came back as “Unknown Origin,” meaning that these genetic markers could not be matched to any European, African or other populations accounted for within the database (2008). Thus, the total percentage of Lumbee males whose results came back as either Indigenous American or of Unknown Origin (unlikely European or African) was actually 62 percent, meaning only 38 percent of those men tested were highly likely to have had an African or European paternal ancestor. Furthermore, it’s essential to remember that this test accounts only for male ancestors. A Lumbee man could have a mother, grandmother and so on who were exclusively Indigenous and this would not be visible using Y-Chromosome testing (Truong, 2016)"
m.facebook.com/notes/rachel-waters/bloody-lies-the-dangerous-frontier-of-genetic-ancestry-testing-in-the-battle-to-/10154991544918986/
There's plenty of proof showing they are a native group, going back hundreds of years. Feel free to read or cling tightly to your biases, it doesn't change who we are.
"In the US and Canada, very few indigenous groups have submitted their DNA to these databases, meaning that the genetic profiles - which most scientists agree are very regionally diverse - have not been mapped for most North American peoples (2016). Thus, these tests which seek to match haplotypes and SNPs of indigenous peoples without Mayan, Peruvian or Amazonian ancestry will frequently return with a result showing “Unknown Origin” (Truong, 2016). "
Had the honor and pleasure of doing a medical rotation in Robeson County. Loved the people! Best rotation of my training!
Im a firefighter in Cumberland County right on the edge of Robeson and Hoke Countys and we deal with Lumbees almost everyday. I love to hear them talk it is possibly the most unique accent in the world. I can do just about all they're grammer lol, They always say papa and cuz haha and lawdogs and rollers and mommuk haha they're hilarious
Knew a Lumbee family for years that moved from NC to my home of KY when I was younger. 2 times in my life, once in KY and once on a tour in Iraq, I heard someone speaking with that distinct accent. Both times I asked, it was confirmed, both Lumbee. I can recognize that accent anywhere and only knew one family "Hunt's"
Troy Skinnard goddamnit my family’s lumber and we got Hunts get outta here
The Hunt family is largely Native American and around Pembroke a lot of the surnames are Hunt, Locklear, Chavis or Bullard.
When I went to basic training in Missouri, I got called out by a Drill Sgt. that happen to marry a Lumbee woman when he was stationed in Ft. Bragg. He asked me the first time he heard me speak. I thought he was a magician, because not many people know about us, lol.
Chris Alexander it’s very distinct, that’s for sure
@@troyskinnard1393 we make fun of each other all the time. Our great grandparents are hard for us to understand sometimes, lol. Ransoms, Locklears, Clarks, Jacobs, are just a few more surnames that are very prominent aswell. Thank you, I hope we can gain Fed recognition soon, but its been over 130 years so...
I like lumbees there cool people and i am hispanic
UR being deceived. so lumbee have zero native american heritage; they are fraudulently living as natives.
im only here because i want to learn more about my hertiage... at 4am
Me2
Same.
Not until your video did I realize lumbee connection to OBX. I have met some of the finest people that are Lumbee. The men are trusting and Lumbee woman are some the prettiest in the world. Thanks for sharing
Nathan Moore lumbee here 👋🏽
@@balkangen69 Indians have their own dna that is not related to other asians, so their goes you theory out the window. Indians are their own unique race, and if you don't have any of the haplogroups that natives have, then you are not indian, and lumbee have no native american haplogroups, so they are not native americans, what they do have is european and african dna, so they are just black and white. read up on them, and quit being a evil snake in the grass.
@@bluebird9749 live and let live yo, it doesn't affect you
@@bluebird9749 Stop your fucking lies, you immigrant. We aren't African, you are so bothered and scared we know who we are.
@@brooklynlady326 Nope ur a liar, Ur not Lumbee 2 begin with, liar. Ur Afrcan & European & u lie about that too & you lie that your NDN, another lie, so you're just a big fat liar. God said Liars have their place in the lake of Fire, so it looks like you're going to be burnin in hell if you don't stop lying & coveting for N.A. identity & history or you could repent & stop coveting for N.A.'s identity & history.
I’m a lumbee from Roberson county ❤️ yeeeeeyeee yeeee
You are extremely beautiful
I'm a lumbee too ma
Am a lumbee from robco !
RobCo Lums! ✊🏽
Yess ma’am
I’ve lived in Raeford NC for the past six or seven years or so.....
I’ve heard all this! Nothing but love for the Lums!
Kee Kee!
Aye same here
My best friend as a pre teen in camp lejune n.c. was a half irish american half lumbee native... His family name was sampson and i also went to school with alot of locklears.
the red baron locklear family right here 🥳
I'm a Locklear and Chavis
It's unfortunate that Letecia Stauch is who got me interested in this.
I'm Lumbee and we clapped the KKK in the Battle of Hayes Pond.
TBest Ghost my great great great great grandpa did 💯 #HBL
What did u do since then?
Lol we’re much better than this
LUMBEE PRIDE 💯💯
Until the day I die!
Im not Lumbee but i hear the outer banks accent alot and it all sounds normal to me
My grandmother on my fathers side they are lumbee. We have all intertwined currently more family members have children with children of the accepted lumbee people. But that’s a whole other conversation.
Lumbees get the most hate from all races including our own but it's just fine bc we've survived on our own for this long without any help and nothing but hate and we're gonna keep on keeping on. that's why we survived and where still on the east coast we learn to adapt and overcome
All these other tribes are just as rasict as the white man hateing their own people. They really hate bc some lumz have black in them but you never hear them complain about the white
samethe lumbee We are not indians hating on Indians, you people are not Indians. Its not you being black or white, its you lying that you are Indians. its you not being Indian.
These idiots in the comments call say that they are Natives all they want. The so called Black man and woman are the true indigenous of America, which means we been here way before these Mongols and 5 dollar "Indians".
Why do ppl hate the Lumbee?
Native Americans descend from first interbreeds of Lumbee's European ancestors in Asia, then migrated from Asia to America. Later this European ancestors interbreed with Africans also, because this people are less racists than any other in the world and they accept anyone as their own race. They get most hate everywhere because they descend from real, Indigenous, Europeans; victims of genocide for centuries. Most of actual Europeans are not real Indigenous, but invaders got lighter skin by interbreed with Indigenous Europeans.
Lumbee are also called Croatan; people from Croatia, a European state, descend from oldest, Indigenous, Europeans (those who by interbreed in Asia created Native Americans' race).
Salut to you Lumbee brother, I'm Croat from Croatia
Soooo cool!
The guy in 2:11 looks like a native american; whether he is of Cheraw, Tuscarora or Cherokee descent. Period.
This look as American Native is typical Indigenous European look. Indigenous Europeans were, and still are, victims of genocide worst than genocide of American Natives. Actual 'Europeans' most of them are invaders, hybrid with Africans, more black than white inside.
Lumbee are also called Croatan; people from Croatia (European state), descendants of Indigenous Europeans, have this typical look. American Natives' race descend from interbreed of Indigenous Europeans in Asia, then migrated to America.
Veseli Balkanac buh 🤣
@@balkangen69 you're racist and sound stupid. Europeans have only been around for 8000 years. Natives have been in the Americas for at the very least 15,000 years. It's literally impossible for them to have been of European descent. Take your whitewashed false history, white supremacist mindset, and bigotry elsewhere.
Their language sounds like country folks
I have family members in Lumberton ,NC who are indians.
I thought totin was carryin.
Brandon Wills it is
thats hillbilly not native american
Tote is a mandig(mandingo/malinké) word and as you correctly stated it means carry...but it is not the same as the lumbee word toten.
The most common thing to get a lumbees attention from Rob co. Is yeeeyeeeyeee it’s our Indian call 🧡 u just got to know how to do it
Kaitlyin Scott thats a hillbilly call not a Indian call.
Omg. So I found out I’m lumbee as well. And tell me why I started saying “yeeeyeeyee” at work. And I’ve never heard it but it just FELT right. Like I couldn’t stop saying it
@@bluebird9749I’ve never heard a hillbilly say “yeeyeeyee” and I live in the Appalachia’s surrounded by them.
Lumbee English: So you mean slang? lol
My grandmother was Lumbee from NC, wonder if she talked like this
+shamille724 All southerners talk hick talk.
@@blackrabbit3607 depends on what part of the south you're in. Some dialects aren't as bad as others.
Every Lumbee y’all like that. I usually y’all like that when I’m around my fam, but I moved up to ny so I just talk like everyone up here now
I’m an lumbee trying to learn
They are words used in this taik that are used no where else. You can like it or not that is the way they talk. Yes they are mixed with white and black so are other indians. I'm mixed with white but the fact is they settled in a area many years ago just like the other indians live where they do. All indians are different but it don;t mean the are not indian some are spanish and white some are spanish and french but we still are indian just different
why do people have to make fun of native american cultures? are we not all native american???
@Hammerschlägen M Because she wants to be Native American.
Okay this is naomi's step daughter Calista
Im Full Lumbee anyway JUST CAUSE YOURE LUMBEE ! DOSENT MEAN YOU TALK LIKE THAT AT ALL ! IT COMES FROM WHEN AND IM YOUR RAISED IN ROBESON COUNTY OR NOT and if your parents are strick on your Grammer
Lol @ 5:16 chicken and rice and rice and chicken
Hey BIG ED here still on my wife's tablet
I'm lumbee and damn proud of it
I'm only black from the waist down
I'm from Robeson County. I consider myself bilingual
im a Lumbee
we see the Lumbee have an English dialect, but where is there Tribal languages?? a tribe cannot be a tribe without a language to identity with!
Anthony James Crowe just because a people lose their language doesn't mean they vanish or transform, it just means that the language is lost. Many Native Americans have lost their language and even their connection with their ancestors. But it doesn't make them less Native, it just makes them descendants. I think people have have problem with the Lumbee because of the African heritage, because if they were just only mixed with white, then we wouldn't be have this discussion.
It's called assmilation
charlene hughes-peseta, absolutely right! I'm African American and I found out as a teenager my great grand mother was native american. And both of her parents were native american. Specifically, from the Lumbee tribe! I feel like I've lost a piece of my heritage. But I love my ancestors and joyfully embrace my lost heritage. I'm proud to be a descendant of the Lumbee tribe. And am studying all I can about them. Present and past.
One day I came upon a website while searching for original Lumbee language (sadly I don't remember its name). I learned that a sentence from a native american language was passed on from generation to generation. But I don't know if it''s from a Siouan or Algonquian language.
BY that logic blacks ain't black because they speak English
Hell yeah pa this is my shit
If you got any problems with my people bye i didn't ask for your opinion! 👋
Dont give up y'alls dialect for nothing. I'm an Appalachian English speaker, of stock "Appalachian" makeup (mostly Anglo-Scots, with Cherokee), and I get the same shit from outsiders as you folks.
I'm a lumbee, but I don't talk that way. I've heard all the terms cause my grand pa is full lumbee , but I never talked like that.
You ain't a lum then
Robco Crew here
Any Chavis’s
I'm a Chavis and Locklear
English is not an indigenous language. It's not even indigenous to England
No African American connection 🤔🤔
Tuscoroa too n Rob Co.9dime
2:26 "Recognize someone is from Spain because they speak Spanish, you recognize somebody is French because they speak French." Well, yeah, but can you tell a man speaking Spanish isn't from one of a dozen countries who also speak Spanish? Can you tell if a man speaking French is from Quebec and not Paris? Of course people FROM those countries can, but I'd ask that gentlemen the above questions.
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Tis' un making me Jugus,. Faid of deem haints
That sounds very Caribbean almost as if there was an African influence.
Now with the DNA test we know there was an African influence.
They spoke like this because our languages was took from us. It's sad it's called Lumbee languages. We had no other choice. It's Great Britain English language. Our people are still trying to speak this language. Squash, potato, chocolate is Native American Language. Our dialect doybd country because English is not our language.
That's because there is no Lumbee language . They are not native Americans. No native DNA whatsoever
So are the lumbee are native? I keep seeing ppl say they are mixed with black blood. My friends mom is 100 percent lumbee and she looks 100 percent native
That's because there was no Lumbee language. The Lumbees are not a native American tribe. And that's pretty easy to prove. Just take a DNA test. You'll find very little native American DNA in the Lumbees.
The Lumbees are not native Americans. Just take a DNA test. Pretty simple
Hey Sam it’s Blue’s daughter 👋
Paw
roflmao
Jewbemer .
None of them look like Native Americans. They look like African Americans. I would not have called any of them Native Americans.
I suppose that the ancestors of the Lumbee began to marry whites in the late 1500's. And they abandoned their way of life and culture, including the language. However, a sentence in a Native American language was preserved by a Lumbee family.
nativeheritageproject.com/2012/08/01/a-report-on-research-of-lumbee-origins-by-robert-k-thomas-part-12-traditional-lumbee-history-the-saponi/
@Rusell Shaw You all don't look like Native Americans at all.
@Tamara Best They look Biracial which they are.
That guy at the end trying to give this so called “language” credibility by saying in some cases we were punished. Trying to make it sound like how real natives in boarding school got punished for speaking native languages smh.
This is a joke, right??
Your comments are
Zachary Locklear Really?
Yes, yes it is.
One thing's for sure, they're not native American
John garner garner ur just a hater but you nor the government has never determined who we are and never will
The Cherokee tribe just told me on the phone a few minutes ago in these exact words The Lumbee are a tri-racial tribe. Meaning they are in fact Native American.
SamTheLumbee, right on bro! People aways want to tell somebody else what they are or aren't!
Jean P. G. I am lumbee I have native blood in my dna
How do you know this? What is your proof? Opinions don't count. I don't know if you have had the pleasure of knowing a Lumbee but we absolutely could care less what you or anyone else thinks about us. Have a wonderful night.
Thank God I was raised to be proud of my African ancestry and told I was descended from female warriors of West Africa.
I couldn’t imagine passing myself off as another race and trying so desperately to be seen as a race I don’t belong to.
Sounds like Lumbees have a bad case of Rachel Dolezalism and Buffy St. Marieism.
"He be doing this and he be doing that" is just lazy ghetto grammar. It isn't a dialect. Lumber English is just bad grammar with a slightly different southern country accent.