Hi Anthony, how's things? Shona here (I used to volunteer with you at Shildon). I remember years ago seeing Adamson's well known and widely published 1826 lithograph "View of the Opening of the Stockton and Darlington Rail Road" (SMG Object No. 1925-276) which shows the first train being hauled by one of Stephenson's tried-and-tested patent locomotive engines of the Killingworth type. This evidence of Locomotion's original appearance was always dismissed by historians who universally assumed that the knitting gubbins was original, so it's interesting to learn that the lithograph may have been accurate all along!
One loco I’d love a Curator episode on is still L&YR Class 5 No. 1008. It’s one of my favourite York exhibits and I would be interested to find out some of its history and mechanical features. I was also curious as to why it doesn’t have its whistles.
@@NatRailwayMuseum THAT'S THE TICKET PUNCHING SPIRIT!!!!!! BY THE WAY, A SPECTACULARLY SPECTACULAR HANDFUL OF EACH OF THE LOCOMOTIVES IN YOUR OWN OFFICIAL COLLECTION ACTUALLY RESEMBLE THOMAS & FRIENDS CHARACTERS IN REAL-LIFE SUCH AS AEROLITE RESEMBLING WHIFF THE GARBAGE ENGINE ALONGSIDE STEPHENSON'S ROCKET RESEMBLING STEPHEN ALONGSIDE THE G N R STIRLING SINGLE RESEMBLING EMILY THE G N R STIRLING SINGLE STEAM-DRIVEN RAILWAY 4-2-2 TENDER LOCOMOTIVE!!!
I remember Dr Michael Bailey extensively from both the British Steam Railways magazines and DVD collection, and his appearance on the BBC's Timewatch where he judged a re-staging of the Rainhill Trials with the operational replicas.
This was really eye-opening, and really made me appreciate what a fantastic locomotive this is, despite its uncertain history. I would really like to read the full report and see how much else has been discovered!
I'm coming from Australia and NMR is one of my stops. These little snippets of information are greatly enriching the experience and anticipation. Thanks for your efforts. Locomotives are like a farmer's axe. Always rebuilt but always the same.
FANTASTICALLY FANTASTIC;ESPECIALLY WITH INSTANTLY MENTIONING THE B&O RAILROAD MUSEUM THAT'S BASICALLY LOCATED DIRECTLY OVER IN BALTIMORE IN MARYLAND ON 9O1 WEST PRAT STREET TO WHICH I SERIOUSLY DO ACTUALLY GOT A MEMBERSHIP!!!!!!!!
I'm adoring this series. Ive rode behind something very similar at Beamish. Another excellent loco is Rocket, who when at the NRM i could never manage to find, Until it visited Newcastle upon Tyne as part of the great exhibition of the north really hope that if she comes back to the NRM or stays at Locomotion perminantly thats she is easyier to find than when she was there . Need to get back to locomotion for the pacers too.
How does Locomotion compare to John Bull which was also constructed by the Robert Stephenson Company in 1831? It still has it's original boiler, and was even fired up and ran at reduced pressure in 1981 for an anniversary run.
Very different John Bull is less than 10 years later than locomotive but is much more modern with a multi tube boiler as opposed to the single flue boiler of locomotive in its original condition. The cylinders are mounted horizontally between the frames rather than vertically above and sunk into the boiler. It has a proper footplate with the controls in one place (and may be such a new fangled contraption as a break) rather than regulators on each cylinder at the side of the boiler with the driver on the running board. They have very little in common except the builder. Locomotive is one of the last “pit head” locos in design where as John Bull is 2 or 3 iterations on from Rocket and is much more comparable to something like Lion, with a domed firebox and a steam dome than the very primitive looking Locomotive.
Does the replica Locomotion have a multi-tubular boiler? I saw a photograph of it once with its fire-hole door open, though I have since have been able to relocate it. Was it my imagination? I've been told that even the replica has a single flue boiler and it doesn't steam all that well
This was interesting but as a layman it all got very technical and I lost the thread, a bit. I know the gentleman is an expert on it but speaking in non-technical English would help?
There's very little (if anything) of the original 1825 locomotive as it was rebuilt so many times as knowledge increased. Rather like 'Hetton Lion'. Since Locomotion is a replica do you plan an deep dive into 'Agenoria'? From the wear on it's wheels it looks like it did a lot of work
Shildon was very important to the engine's history, given that the works was where it was rebuilt a number of times, so I'd say it's just as appropriate there as Darlington.
Shildon is where the railway started serving the collieries and well just to happened to pass very close to darlington which was a large town in the region and then the passenger shenanigans started.
@@heroj6322 So? That's kinda like saying that if it was out of ticket, the Flying Scotsman should be kept at King's Cross as that's where the service started from every 10am...
The ball is in their court. They've been looking after it and they own it. If it left Britain because it was going to be discarded, then they have every right to keep it.
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Hi Anthony, how's things? Shona here (I used to volunteer with you at Shildon).
I remember years ago seeing Adamson's well known and widely published 1826 lithograph "View of the Opening of the Stockton and Darlington Rail Road" (SMG Object No. 1925-276) which shows the first train being hauled by one of Stephenson's tried-and-tested patent locomotive engines of the Killingworth type. This evidence of Locomotion's original appearance was always dismissed by historians who universally assumed that the knitting gubbins was original, so it's interesting to learn that the lithograph may have been accurate all along!
One loco I’d love a Curator episode on is still L&YR Class 5 No. 1008. It’s one of my favourite York exhibits and I would be interested to find out some of its history and mechanical features. I was also curious as to why it doesn’t have its whistles.
I absoutly love these type videos,pls make more
ok!
@@NatRailwayMuseum
THAT'S THE TICKET PUNCHING SPIRIT!!!!!!
BY THE WAY, A SPECTACULARLY SPECTACULAR HANDFUL OF EACH OF THE LOCOMOTIVES IN YOUR OWN OFFICIAL COLLECTION ACTUALLY RESEMBLE THOMAS & FRIENDS CHARACTERS IN REAL-LIFE SUCH AS AEROLITE RESEMBLING WHIFF THE GARBAGE ENGINE ALONGSIDE STEPHENSON'S ROCKET RESEMBLING STEPHEN ALONGSIDE THE G N R STIRLING SINGLE RESEMBLING EMILY THE G N R STIRLING SINGLE STEAM-DRIVEN RAILWAY 4-2-2 TENDER LOCOMOTIVE!!!
I remember Dr Michael Bailey extensively from both the British Steam Railways magazines and DVD collection, and his appearance on the BBC's Timewatch where he judged a re-staging of the Rainhill Trials with the operational replicas.
This was really eye-opening, and really made me appreciate what a fantastic locomotive this is, despite its uncertain history. I would really like to read the full report and see how much else has been discovered!
I have seen those nameplates at the B&O museum in Baltimore Md. never had any idea of who they belonged to until now.
Good to see and hear Mike talking about some of his extensive research, well done.
I'm coming from Australia and NMR is one of my stops. These little snippets of information are greatly enriching the experience and anticipation. Thanks for your efforts.
Locomotives are like a farmer's axe. Always rebuilt but always the same.
so the killingworth billy at "Stephensons Steam Railway" is closer to the original Locomotion?
FANTASTICALLY FANTASTIC;ESPECIALLY WITH INSTANTLY MENTIONING THE B&O RAILROAD MUSEUM THAT'S BASICALLY LOCATED DIRECTLY OVER IN BALTIMORE IN MARYLAND ON 9O1 WEST PRAT STREET TO WHICH I SERIOUSLY DO ACTUALLY GOT A MEMBERSHIP!!!!!!!!
Great video, being those name plates home where they belong.
3:40 It's amazing how sometimes even the minutest thing proves to invaluable.
This is very neat
It'd be nice to have a model of it in its working state so comparisons could be made.
I'm adoring this series. Ive rode behind something very similar at Beamish. Another excellent loco is Rocket, who when at the NRM i could never manage to find, Until it visited Newcastle upon Tyne as part of the great exhibition of the north really hope that if she comes back to the NRM or stays at Locomotion perminantly thats she is easyier to find than when she was there . Need to get back to locomotion for the pacers too.
The B&O RR Museum is my hometown museum, but I've never actually seen those nameplates in person before. I'll have to take a look next time I go
The videos are always very interesting
When are you going to do a curator with a camera on GWR diesel railcar ?
This means it could mark the fourth Hornby era 1 loco that isn’t in era 1 condition😂
This is a fantastic deep dive. Can't say I got everything being said but it still had me hooked all the way through.n
How does Locomotion compare to John Bull which was also constructed by the Robert Stephenson Company in 1831? It still has it's original boiler, and was even fired up and ran at reduced pressure in 1981 for an anniversary run.
Very different John Bull is less than 10 years later than locomotive but is much more modern with a multi tube boiler as opposed to the single flue boiler of locomotive in its original condition. The cylinders are mounted horizontally between the frames rather than vertically above and sunk into the boiler. It has a proper footplate with the controls in one place (and may be such a new fangled contraption as a break) rather than regulators on each cylinder at the side of the boiler with the driver on the running board. They have very little in common except the builder.
Locomotive is one of the last “pit head” locos in design where as John Bull is 2 or 3 iterations on from Rocket and is much more comparable to something like Lion, with a domed firebox and a steam dome than the very primitive looking Locomotive.
Does the replica Locomotion have a multi-tubular boiler? I saw a photograph of it once with its fire-hole door open, though I have since have been able to relocate it. Was it my imagination? I've been told that even the replica has a single flue boiler and it doesn't steam all that well
Love these vids, very informative.
Thanks, comments like this really spur us on
This was interesting but as a layman it all got very technical and I lost the thread, a bit. I know the gentleman is an expert on it but speaking in non-technical English would help?
That was much better than the myth busting previous video, keep up the good work and some of my animations would have helped the video, just saying
How the hell does the valve gear work
So, what if ship of theseus but train?
There's very little (if anything) of the original 1825 locomotive as it was rebuilt so many times as knowledge increased. Rather like 'Hetton Lion'.
Since Locomotion is a replica do you plan an deep dive into 'Agenoria'? From the wear on it's wheels it looks like it did a lot of work
It belongs to Darlington, not Shildon.
Shildon was very important to the engine's history, given that the works was where it was rebuilt a number of times, so I'd say it's just as appropriate there as Darlington.
Or to Stockton.
Shildon is where the railway started serving the collieries and well just to happened to pass very close to darlington which was a large town in the region and then the passenger shenanigans started.
@@davidty2006 On the inaugural day, it set off from Darlington. That's where everybody waited for it.
@@heroj6322 So? That's kinda like saying that if it was out of ticket, the Flying Scotsman should be kept at King's Cross as that's where the service started from every 10am...
What actually is it? Stolen from Darlington. That's what it is. 😠
The Yanks need to send back OUR Locomotion nameplate
The ball is in their court. They've been looking after it and they own it. If it left Britain because it was going to be discarded, then they have every right to keep it.
and now do a debunking video on Lion, using a bigger channel like yours to help spread the new info and quell the old lies from the 1930's