Nice video, showing me the confusing part where the the water and steam wand come from the same place. I use the other machine which have a dedicated place for hot water. This one helps me lot before I make the final call. Seems like good choose except the PID thing.
Is that typical to see a temp drop of 10 C when pulling a shot on this or any machine? Thought the PID is supposed maintain your target temp throughout
I guess the PID measures the temp close to where the cold water comes in the boiler since the change is so fast, so possibly the brew water temp isn't quite that cold.
Pid cannot help that. Yes, the temp drop is quite alarming even considering 30ml cold water infusion into 250ml heated tank. I think it is not setup correctly. Design falt
Is this how the PID is supposed to work? Started w/ 93 degrees and was at 80 when the shot reached the end. I thought PID is supposed to keep the temperature relatively stable?
When you pull a shot cold water is introduced into the boiler so the temperature will go down but the water for your extraction would be at your set temperature and it should recover fairly quickly for the next shot
Bought this machine about 3 years ago for the exact reasons you mentioned and I‘ve been happily using it ever since. There is an additional optional cover for the dripping tray which I would recommend, since it covers the dark plastic and improves the looks. One thing has puzzled me for a while now. My optimal double espresso extraction based on taste and time results at around 12 bars on that Barometer. Any ideas? Is this a pump setting which a technician could easily adjust or maybe a measurement issue? 9 Bars results in coffee just flowing out in around 10 sec.
Lelit sets their vibration pumps quite high from the factory. My Victoria was doing above 11 bars static pressure. The solution was to disassemble the machine, find the OPV valve and lower the static pressure (measured on a blind basket) to 9. Since I’m mostly doing light roast espresso, and I have quite a high end grinder, this really improved my shots, I can now do longer brew times and the shot doesn’t fall apart in the second half.
@@michalselep1755 when doing research with other coffee machines and opv change ppl were saying that 9 bar settings were showing about +-10 bar on blind basket because of closed system (watter does not where to go so pressure is little bit higher on blindly closed portafilter with manometer) to check pressure would be better flow manometer in system or something like that ?
@@SparkOfThoth well, my machine hits around 8.5 (slighty above 9 on a blind pf), at the beginning of shots and since I only do light roasts, it suits my use much much better than what it was previously, more steady, less channeling, I can pull slower shots etc.
@@michalselep1755 I just change the pressure on the OPV valve from 11 bars to 9 bars and my shots are less bitter than before ... 9 bars is very much better !!
@@Kasparovvvvv honestly, if you planning to use the machine for years to come then portafilter size really do not matter since 58mm is good if you plan to upgrade to a more expensive machine down the line or plan to purchase bottomless portafilter and so on
A tip for guys, wh owns this one. Please adjust you PID, by default, PID has adjustment +-5 degrees, which is not goood. Find the video on "Lelit insider" channel
Is the 57 mm portafilter size of the Lelit Anna 2 unusual and locks you in to buy only their accessories? Also what do you think of the urbanic 80s grinder from Korea?
57mm is a less common size than 58mm so there is no denying the fact that there are fewer accessory options available for this size. 58mm is the most common so it will have the largest selection of accessories. I'm not familiar with this grinder, so I can't comment
What's the point with PID that start the espresso at 93 and end with 80 degrees that is 13 degrees difference with the PID. It seems like the PID is just to show the temp but not controlling it. I installed PID on my GCP and it works better than that. same goes for other built in PID like profitec go.
You are confusing the temperature of the boiler with the temperature of the water coming out of it. This little machine is super stable regarding the temperature of the water coming out of it (measured inside the portafilter while brewing). But yes, in the PID screen you'll see a temperature drop of several degrees, but that IS NOT reflected in the water coming out of the group head while brewing.
it would be a good way to promote your product as well as convenient for those are interested in if you put a link about the product like the whole latte love does.
I add water first by removing filter holder from 'shower" head. Then I add filter holder with coffee and do a shot. Could you explain please why you not recommend that on single boiler machine?
Hi, no the group is not actively heated. The group is heated using passive heat from the boiler, the Lelit Anna has a vertical boiler design, the boiler and the grouphead are all one piece and the heat from the boiler heats up the group. The steam wand is also not double walled.
for future people. No they don't.. So you'd have to time it yourself. The easiest one is to use a standardized espresso shot glass OR better use a scale to weigh your shot
The aluminum boiler in the Gaggia could corrode and it doesn't have temperature or pressure gauges. It seems like the Lelit could be better imo but I don't own either machine so take it for what it's worth.
Hi! is this ok that a temperature on the screen is changing all the time from 92 to 93 and 94 degrees( set up is 93) ? sometimes on my machine it's changing even more than 1-2 degrees.
Hi, that is all normal. The PID is turning the heating element on and off to maintain a target temperature inside your boiler. It's normal for there to be 1-2 degree swings.
This display shows temperature in boiler, but not on output. Also, you can see significant drop in temperature when it runs the extraction. So, it's ok
Temperature is one of the most important variables when extracting coffee. The same coffee can have a different taste extracted at 93 degrees vs for example 90 degrees. A PID gives you temperature stability first and foremost. With a mechanical thermostat you have variance of +/- 5 or 6 degrees which is very significant. I think it is well worth the extra cost. It will make your coffee more consistent and better tasting.
Not a problem for me, I have this same machine and I’m the only one in my house who drinks coffee. I pull a double shot every morning and I’m good to go. Thanks for the helpful video, BTW! I learned a few things.
Hello, recently we got the same machine and grinder and the double basket makes amazing coffee but with the single one, we are really having a hard time. The machine's temp is 93/94oC and we tried changing the grind and the quantity, we tried tamping harder but the single espresso is always either too thin or too sour. We cannot get it right for some reason. It starts out pretty good but then it starts coming out too fast. Any suggestions?
I own the same machine, and yes, the temperature drops as cold water (actually, “room temperature” would be more accurate) fills the boiler. But my shots are still super hot. The main thing is to preheat the cups.
I'm really torn between the Lelit Anna and the Gaggia Classic Pro.. any thoughts? I like the style of the GCP but the Anna has PID and also seem to be able to use larger MUG size which might be important for me
Gaggia is an excellent machine. I had one before getting this one. They both do a great job. Personally I prefer the Lelit because it’s made in Italy (my Gaggia Classic was not) and the PID and pressure gauge were really important to me. But the Gaggia is a terrific machine and an excellent buy. Hope you’re enjoying it.
@@DCLayclerk Yes it is awesome! I'm looking forward to upgrading to Lelit's Mara X hopefully next year. The prob is wife doesn't get along with all the hassle of making coffee and wants a Bean To Cup machine, meh...
Honestly, this is a great demonstration of the machine. Very clear. The only thing I don't like about this machine is the USER has to judge when to turn it off. I prefer where the machine figures that out. Tossed up between this and the breville
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That's a really great machine, I happy as a 5 years boy during Christmas holidays
Nice video, showing me the confusing part where the the water and steam wand come from the same place.
I use the other machine which have a dedicated place for hot water. This one helps me lot before I make the final call.
Seems like good choose except the PID thing.
Is that typical to see a temp drop of 10 C when pulling a shot on this or any machine? Thought the PID is supposed maintain your target temp throughout
I guess the PID measures the temp close to where the cold water comes in the boiler since the change is so fast, so possibly the brew water temp isn't quite that cold.
Pid cannot help that. Yes, the temp drop is quite alarming even considering 30ml cold water infusion into 250ml heated tank. I think it is not setup correctly. Design falt
Is this how the PID is supposed to work? Started w/ 93 degrees and was at 80 when the shot reached the end. I thought PID is supposed to keep the temperature relatively stable?
When you pull a shot cold water is introduced into the boiler so the temperature will go down but the water for your extraction would be at your set temperature and it should recover fairly quickly for the next shot
Bought this machine about 3 years ago for the exact reasons you mentioned and I‘ve been happily using it ever since. There is an additional optional cover for the dripping tray which I would recommend, since it covers the dark plastic and improves the looks.
One thing has puzzled me for a while now. My optimal double espresso extraction based on taste and time results at around 12 bars on that Barometer. Any ideas? Is this a pump setting which a technician could easily adjust or maybe a measurement issue? 9 Bars results in coffee just flowing out in around 10 sec.
Your grinder isn't grinding fine enough, too little resistance at 9 bars
Lelit sets their vibration pumps quite high from the factory. My Victoria was doing above 11 bars static pressure. The solution was to disassemble the machine, find the OPV valve and lower the static pressure (measured on a blind basket) to 9. Since I’m mostly doing light roast espresso, and I have quite a high end grinder, this really improved my shots, I can now do longer brew times and the shot doesn’t fall apart in the second half.
@@michalselep1755 when doing research with other coffee machines and opv change ppl were saying that 9 bar settings were showing about +-10 bar on blind basket because of closed system (watter does not where to go so pressure is little bit higher on blindly closed portafilter with manometer) to check pressure would be better flow manometer in system or something like that ?
@@SparkOfThoth well, my machine hits around 8.5 (slighty above 9 on a blind pf), at the beginning of shots and since I only do light roasts, it suits my use much much better than what it was previously, more steady, less channeling, I can pull slower shots etc.
@@michalselep1755 I just change the pressure on the OPV valve from 11 bars to 9 bars and my shots are less bitter than before ... 9 bars is very much better !!
Excellent video. Thanks.
how do u compare this with the gaggia classic?
that thing doesnt have a pid nor a pressure gauge...
@@leof2180 Yeah but the gaggia has a standard 58 mm portafilter which makes it easier for accessories. Help me decide between those 2 sir.
@@Kasparovvvvv honestly, if you planning to use the machine for years to come then portafilter size really do not matter since 58mm is good if you plan to upgrade to a more expensive machine down the line or plan to purchase bottomless portafilter and so on
57mm will be deal breaker for many
Not sure why people would fuss over 57mm v 58mm, I’ve had the Lelit for 6 years and never an issue with tampers, baskets or portafilters. 🤷♂️
Great video, thanks. Greetings from Melbourne Australia!
A tip for guys, wh owns this one.
Please adjust you PID, by default, PID has adjustment +-5 degrees, which is not goood.
Find the video on "Lelit insider" channel
great machine
Can you pre infuse?
Comparable to Gaggia Classic Pro?
this is about 40% more expensive. no?
@@leof2180no because if you add PID at GCP then the gaggia will come close or even more expensive
Is the 57 mm portafilter size of the Lelit Anna 2 unusual and locks you in to buy only their accessories?
Also what do you think of the urbanic 80s grinder from Korea?
57mm is a less common size than 58mm so there is no denying the fact that there are fewer accessory options available for this size. 58mm is the most common so it will have the largest selection of accessories.
I'm not familiar with this grinder, so I can't comment
you can buy anything you can imagine for 57mm from temu, amazon or ebay
Great! Thanks for the wonderful video & review!
I am considering this model vs gaggia classic pro. Wanna ask if it is a key concern on 57mm if I am an amateur brewer
Is there a traditional steam wand under that panarello style one?
That's not a pennarello type. That's a traditional steam wand
@@rixe11 Oh you're right, I didn't get a good look at it I guess!
hii, what Scale removal product do you use on lelit?
and for backflush?
What's the point with PID that start the espresso at 93 and end with 80 degrees that is 13 degrees difference with the PID. It seems like the PID is just to show the temp but not controlling it. I installed PID on my GCP and it works better than that. same goes for other built in PID like profitec go.
You are confusing the temperature of the boiler with the temperature of the water coming out of it. This little machine is super stable regarding the temperature of the water coming out of it (measured inside the portafilter while brewing). But yes, in the PID screen you'll see a temperature drop of several degrees, but that IS NOT reflected in the water coming out of the group head while brewing.
Hi,
would you recommend the Lelit Anna 2 or the Gaggia New Classic?
Nice review. How it looks like in comparison with Gaggia Classic pro?
it would be a good way to promote your product as well as convenient for those are interested in if you put a link about the product like the whole latte love does.
Hello,thanks for your good vidéo .If we compare it with delonghini dedica?
How much space is there for a Latte Glas?!?
I add water first by removing filter holder from 'shower" head. Then I add filter holder with coffee and do a shot. Could you explain please why you not recommend that on single boiler machine?
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Is it a heated brew group on PL41 TEM and is the steam wand anti burn?
Hi, no the group is not actively heated. The group is heated using passive heat from the boiler, the Lelit Anna has a vertical boiler design, the boiler and the grouphead are all one piece and the heat from the boiler heats up the group. The steam wand is also not double walled.
Ok thanks, that's a bummer, especially the steam wand,should not be allowed to be sold without anti-.burn these days.
Thanks for the informative video 😊
how am I supposed to clean the machine after using every use?
With your hands.
Worried about lead issue with brass boiler of the machine. Is it safe?
Hey thanks for the video.
Is there a shot timer/countdown integrated?
If not, how can I control the extraction time?
Thanks again
for future people. No they don't.. So you'd have to time it yourself. The easiest one is to use a standardized espresso shot glass OR better use a scale to weigh your shot
what do you think which is better between Gaggia Clasic PRO and this Lelit?
The aluminum boiler in the Gaggia could corrode and it doesn't have temperature or pressure gauges. It seems like the Lelit could be better imo but I don't own either machine so take it for what it's worth.
Hi! is this ok that a temperature on the screen is changing all the time from 92 to 93 and 94 degrees( set up is 93) ? sometimes on my machine it's changing even more than 1-2 degrees.
Hi, that is all normal. The PID is turning the heating element on and off to maintain a target temperature inside your boiler. It's normal for there to be 1-2 degree swings.
This display shows temperature in boiler, but not on output.
Also, you can see significant drop in temperature when it runs the extraction.
So, it's ok
Does the PID actually helps or is it gimmick? Should I save money by getting the simple one or extra 100Euros worth it?
Temperature is one of the most important variables when extracting coffee. The same coffee can have a different taste extracted at 93 degrees vs for example 90 degrees. A PID gives you temperature stability first and foremost. With a mechanical thermostat you have variance of +/- 5 or 6 degrees which is very significant. I think it is well worth the extra cost. It will make your coffee more consistent and better tasting.
@@iDrinkCoffeeCanada Thank you for your fast response. The answer I knew but didn't wanna hear! Thank you again
I have the Lelit Victoria - PL91T. (I'm thinking of an upgrade, looking for a plumbed in model)
Does iDrinkCoffee buy good condition used machines?
Yes we do, please contact our sales department with a photo of your machine and how old it is and we can provide an approximate trade in value
Hi Sławek, are you going to review the Lelit Mara X?
How much is this Lelit Anna 2 coffee maker?
Also how much is this eureka coffee grinder?
The current price of the Anna 2 is $999 and the Eureka Facile is $499, that's in Canada and in Canadian dollars.
@@iDrinkCoffeeCanada What is the BOILER made of?
@@jakobw135 It is brass.
Good machine when you make cappccino for you only. Not when using for groups. But i really liked it, easy to use, and has a good steam wand.
Hi, you are right. This is true of any single boiler machine though. It takes a while to make milk based drinks for a larger party
Not a problem for me, I have this same machine and I’m the only one in my house who drinks coffee. I pull a double shot every morning and I’m good to go. Thanks for the helpful video, BTW! I learned a few things.
Hello, recently we got the same machine and grinder and the double basket makes amazing coffee but with the single one, we are really having a hard time. The machine's temp is 93/94oC and we tried changing the grind and the quantity, we tried tamping harder but the single espresso is always either too thin or too sour. We cannot get it right for some reason. It starts out pretty good but then it starts coming out too fast. Any suggestions?
Most coffee aficionados say never to use single baskets (for any machine) because you can't get good shots.
what's the difference between the coffee and water mode? Does the preassure change or what?
In water mode the pump redirects the water to the little wand which you see on the right, just like in steam mode, but with a lower temperature.
Sorry, you cannot easily see the reservoir window… it is very difficult for to see. My only complaint!
hi, which one is best espreso maker? i want t buy for home. Thanx
best of is Lelit BIANCA PL162T, but little bit expensive
I like the new Beefy Carazza XXL, it's a real kicker. Great value.
the best is a Linea Mini. but its fkn expensive.
60 seconds to steam from pulling? My GCP does that in like 10-15 seconds. Wow
bit shocked about how much the temperature dropped while brewing; 10 degrees is A LOT?!
Yes, it's because the sensor is attached to the place, where the cold water enters the boiler. Not the best solution. :( I have the same machine.
I own the same machine, and yes, the temperature drops as cold water (actually, “room temperature” would be more accurate) fills the boiler. But my shots are still super hot. The main thing is to preheat the cups.
Whats the price? I have been researching for one for a couple weeks.
The current price on iDrinkCoffee.com is $895 CAD
Thanks for the helpful review! Eureka Facile is pronounced "FAH-chileh". It means "easy" in Italian.
I never know if I should go for the standard boilers or for the thermo breville ones.
Check material of boiler
Why no purging "before" placing the wand in the milk?
Well, I think the video is about the machine's review and not about his barista skills...
@@gabrielns22 LMAO
Should I switch from the Gaggia classic to the Anna?
Yes
I'm really torn between the Lelit Anna and the Gaggia Classic Pro.. any thoughts?
I like the style of the GCP but the Anna has PID and also seem to be able to use larger MUG size which might be important for me
The Lelit has more features which will help you make better shots. If you can spend the extra cash, go for it.
@@gabrieltudor6165 I went with the Gaggia Classic :)
57mm is deal breaker.
Gaggia is an excellent machine. I had one before getting this one. They both do a great job. Personally I prefer the Lelit because it’s made in Italy (my Gaggia Classic was not) and the PID and pressure gauge were really important to me. But the Gaggia is a terrific machine and an excellent buy. Hope you’re enjoying it.
@@DCLayclerk Yes it is awesome! I'm looking forward to upgrading to Lelit's Mara X hopefully next year. The prob is wife doesn't get along with all the hassle of making coffee and wants a Bean To Cup machine, meh...
Y dont u show the espresso???
There is a very high pitch noise in the background of the video
Honestly, this is a great demonstration of the machine. Very clear. The only thing I don't like about this machine is the USER has to judge when to turn it off. I prefer where the machine figures that out. Tossed up between this and the breville
isn't all semi auto espresso machine require the user to judge the pull time?
thats why we use scales
Don’t like the buttons
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Slawek zrzuc beca.
Ugly logo and machine but highly capable