For those wondering why the xrite is so expensive it's because it has integration with most of the major editing software with an automatic matching tool allow instant automatic accurate colour
@@madpropsta yes, but it’s because it’s copying x-rite. X-rite cost comes from how everyone uses it and no matter what you use if it supports only 1 colour checker, it will be x-rite. It’s not cheap to become the industry standard.
@@madpropsta well if you want to do manual colour grades get the cheap one. If you want the automatic colour grade get the xrite. But for real estate honestly, I don’t think you need any colour checker, I think it’s more for artificial lighting than natural sunlight
OK so I've noticed a pretty big flaw/misunderstanding in this video. The xrite for video is the correct one to use when matching the colors with the Vectorscope. The other one NOT. To me the colors on that look much closer to the CYMK Primaries (the xrite for video color swatches is using the RGB primaries). That means, you cannot use the Vectorscope like this to match the colors. But there is a way to do that. You'd have to import an image with the CYMK Primaries (in an RGB mode document of course) and put that side by side with your shot. Then you'd see two lines for each color. You then match the colors of the shot with the primaries. The issue with this is that the CMYK colorspace is at some areas beyond the sRGB space. So if you input in e.g. Photoshop's color picker 100% Cyan (in the cymk input fields), you'd see the it's already on the border. I think that's why this is more meant to be used in photography, since there the most common working color space is AdobeRGB, which is much bigger than sRGB and does include the CYMK space.
Yes you are right ! If you want to achieve more precise color matching with those cheap color charts, you shouldn't use the x-rite checker profile in your editing software. In fact, you have to create a very specific profile (cht, cie files) that matches the RGB values printed on the back of the card. It's a challenging and time-consuming task, but the results are more accurate (not as good as x-rite, but better than using a 'wrong' chart profile).
Thanks for the in-depth demo. I bought one of those $15 dollar cards and it's basically useless. However, over a decade ago after calibrating my Epson R2880 photo and V600 scanner I scanned my X-rite color checker and printed out some 8"X10" images on pure white matte photo paper, and it and found the prints to preform practically identical to the original chart for video and photos. I just pulled out those images I printed over 10 years ago from a pelican case from 10 years ago, and they they work as well as a new color-checker passport I just bought. For those on a budget with a decent printer or a good photo lab, it might be worth downloading some of the open source calibrated color chart images from FUJIFilm, Kodak and Epson, print them out, might be better than nothing and possibly good as a $200 chart depending on your printer. Years ago, I also downloaded some online images of color/printer checker charts and printed them out on the Epson 2880 with similar results. I even tried popping the color checker chart on my Canon ink-jet office scanner/copier using Canon photo paper and got usable results that were better than nothing.
Use color passport for photo (for several years) and video (recently). Don't know, if they are interchangeable - so got both 🙃- from Calibrate/X-rite. Color cards have several advantages imho - the primary one being color consistency from one camera to the next. No more "fiddling" with getting the look and feel you like when your camera/video recorder changes - or if you use different ones for the same production. Also, skin tones - that most difficult of all color corrections - are a breeze.
I have the cheap one, and the "true" back is like a dark gray and the border/frame colors is actually black. 🤔 I find it mind-blowing there aren't more people making a passport like color checker for cheaper since the build quality is cheap plastic.
@@allydouillette4661 yeah I guess so, but patents live for something like 20 years, and I've seen a couple of brands around so I imagine that the patent protection is over, or the competition just don't care. Yet prices are quite ridiculous.
exactly. it's a pro tool meant for pros. i got myself one just to see how much things improved and... yes, they improve a LOT. i use the photo one, but having a baseline WB+color makes it sooooooo much more easy to batch correct everything, and then start playing around with sliders to give the final look.
The passport you have is meant for video I think. The pixel perfect is more comparable to the color checker classic, so that may be part of any observed differences. I think X-Rite states their different color checkers are not equivalent or interchangeable. I'm typing this as I watch so forgive me if you address this later in the video.
That’s a very good point! I’m also a little confused when there is a X-Rite Passport for photos. Thank you so much for your sharing your experience with us! Thank you so much for your support too!
I'm not rich and I live in Australia with a horrible US exchange rate. I have both the video and photo passports and use them every time I fly my drone (M2P and MPP) or taking stills with a Canon 5D mk IV. Cameras, lenses, tripods, filters are bloody expensive, so why complain about $US150 that will save you hours of editing time and guarantee you colour accuracy? How many people even colour calibrate their monitors or laptops. I don't see the point of spending all the money on glass and bodies and the output is not colour accurate. Once you have a good white balance and you know the colors and skin tones are correct, then apply any LUT or artistic filter you desire.
@@mrivkinr I have the video one as well now. The thing I like about a color checker is the ability to ensure my colours are accurate before I do any stylistic changes. Once I create a profile for the lighting I'm shooting under? It's easy then to apply the profile to all other photos under the same lighting. The process of creating the profile takes less than a minute. With the drones I take the photo before I launch. With a DSLR, I take an image when I think the lighting calls for it. I have also found it useful when traveling as the colorchecker as I don't need to remember the lighting conditions a month or more later.
Thanks Mark! I got the photo passport 2 photo & might get the large non passport version for video. For now I was use the photo version for exposure and white balance for video with the white and grey card included…
I somehow don't like the form factor of the Colorcheck Passport. To hand hold it is fine but if you want to attach it to a c-stand + clamp arm it is going to crack. X-rite through Calibri makes a color check video target card that looks better. The Pixel Perfect card is useless as it's not accurate. Are there any other better target cards that can potentially be fit onto a clapper board?
That's a great question! If I remember it correctly, the photography version does not have different skin tones like the video version. That's very important for video production. Hope it helps! Thank you so much for your support on the video!
LOL your comparing two cards with different swatches. That's why they are reading different. The one on the left is for photo and the one on the right is for video. When you put it into the program, it thinks the swatches match up, but it doesn't lol
new here: so for video color correction i have to bring the passport in the shot (every shot), use it to color correct in final cut, and then cut the frame out of the video and be left with correct color correction for the remainder of the clip?
You're taking it on faith that the colors printed on the test card are accurate. There can be tremendous variations in blending the colored inks used to print these things, so you don't really know if the colors are accurate or not. High-end video engineers here in Hollywood don't use color charts and vectorscopes but instead use a gray scale and make sure white, black and gray are truly achromatic. If the colors are still off after you've white and black balanced, then you need to start looking for a problem with your camera. You also need to make sure your camera's gammas are properly set.
Awesome dude. I'll def reference this video again later - almost got one of those cheaper ones during Prime day and was gonna get it during Black Friday.
im checking out my pixel perfect color chart in neutral light and the colours are very different from the ones you edited... maybe that could make the color grading look so bad? it works for me on photography...
How would you know what kind of plastic components they used for the Xrite? You seem to equate plastic=cheap and not solid. That's yesterday's thinking of the 50s and 60s where most plastic was short-lived and not so durable.
My father sold industrial plastics and some know it all insisted on ordering the incorrect synthetic material for making a large bushing despite my father's advice. A while later he phoned back furious that he was sold some "metallic" material that destroyed his drive shaft on his prototype machine. LOL. Dumb f()ck wouldn't listen when my dad warned him.
Thanks for making this video. I almost bought a cheap one which would have been an unnecessary disaster compared to a few bucks more to help me get the right colors.
2:09 - but you're holding it in the wrong spot. It should be help near the area you're exposing for. That would be the highlights on your face. That's where you shuold place it in this particular case.
also, the way you picked points with the qualifier, i don't like this shortcut. if you zoom in on a shaded area, not every single pixel is going to be the same.
okay the part i don't get, about you adjusting the charts, is that the goal is to have the actual video, with accurate colors, NOT the color chart!!!! What is the point of adjusting your picture to make the chart look accurate IF the chart is not accurate. The chart is either accurate or it is not.
Very useful video! Would be awesome if you could review the "Andoer Professional 24 Color checker Palette Board Card Test for Superior Digital Color Correction for Balancing Photo Editing" from AliExpress with X-Rite Passport same way! That would be also very useful, could not find any comparison in TH-cam yet
Thank you so much for your kind words and suggestion! I will definitely try to get my hands on the Andoer color checker! Thank you so much for your support!
That's a great question! At this moment I don't think Final Cut can export luts, but you can try DaVinci Resolve. Hope it helps! Thank you so much for your support on the video!
good video. the feedback of the other comments (esp. you excusing for stuff that few will realize if you don't mention it) is good. if you find a possibility to record video in video for the monitor parts (frankly i didn't see stuff during the correction, but the colors changing) it would help. Also i'm a bit missing a logical thread during the video, it looks like an unedited oneshot. I think it would help to do a small storyboard beforehand and then start filming. it makes the video smoother and points out the relevant conclusions of the comparison you did. At all it's an informative video, the soundquality is so good that it's easy to follow and motivates to listen to you, but there's a bit of improvement in the storyline.
it's a pro tool meant for pros. if you're paying hundreds an hour to a colorist to color grade a movie, it's a steal. if you're a hobby youtuber, with "moody" lighting and your audience watches on a small phone screen... yeah it's overpriced.
You are paying someone else to solve a problem for you. If you consider the labor to get the color adjustments spot on to the cost of the card, it's pretty cheap. In addition to the card, you are paying for someone who puts the effort in to make sure that every single card has the same exact color plus support in software for what the color should be. For cheaper cards, they may not care that the batches are similar, but not exactly the same. If you need something even cheaper, it will depend on your software support. For example, if you use DaVinci Resolve, it has built in support for the Datacolor SpyderCheckr 24 which costs $50. This seems high for the cost of raw materials, but compared to the value you get in time saved, it's can be worth it.
@@JGoodwin People don't want to learn. I can barely afford one right now but on the other hand, I can barely afford not to be producing colour accurate video and images so I'll be buying one shortly. More and more, my work is being requested for use by arts councils, publishers and documentary producers for reproduction in their projects. That won't last for long if I'm sending out random ideas of what the art looks like and their producers have to correct my work.
@@charlieross-BRM I'm using DaVinci Resolve, which supposedly has a correct alignment for the Spydercheckr24 which I bought. I figured it was a compromise to get something which doesn't work well in any other video editor, at this time.
Then you have the exact problem that is shown here with the cheap color checker. It won't be accurate. You need a printer that can print in a color accurate way.
The X-rite one isn’t printed with a CMYK printer, which has a very limited colour gamut. Each if the squares is printed with a special spot ink, that is accurate and consistent, so that every colorchecker passport is exactly the same. Which is not cheap. If people printed their own then each one would be different. The printers are different, the paper etc. the only reason this thing works is because it is consistent.
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For those wondering why the xrite is so expensive it's because it has integration with most of the major editing software with an automatic matching tool allow instant automatic accurate colour
@@madpropsta yes, but it’s because it’s copying x-rite.
X-rite cost comes from how everyone uses it and no matter what you use if it supports only 1 colour checker, it will be x-rite. It’s not cheap to become the industry standard.
@@madpropsta well if you want to do manual colour grades get the cheap one. If you want the automatic colour grade get the xrite.
But for real estate honestly, I don’t think you need any colour checker, I think it’s more for artificial lighting than natural sunlight
OK so I've noticed a pretty big flaw/misunderstanding in this video.
The xrite for video is the correct one to use when matching the colors with the Vectorscope.
The other one NOT. To me the colors on that look much closer to the CYMK Primaries (the xrite for video color swatches is using the RGB primaries).
That means, you cannot use the Vectorscope like this to match the colors.
But there is a way to do that. You'd have to import an image with the CYMK Primaries (in an RGB mode document of course) and put that side by side with your shot. Then you'd see two lines for each color. You then match the colors of the shot with the primaries.
The issue with this is that the CMYK colorspace is at some areas beyond the sRGB space. So if you input in e.g. Photoshop's color picker 100% Cyan (in the cymk input fields), you'd see the it's already on the border.
I think that's why this is more meant to be used in photography, since there the most common working color space is AdobeRGB, which is much bigger than sRGB and does include the CYMK space.
Yes you are right !
If you want to achieve more precise color matching with those cheap color charts, you shouldn't use the x-rite checker profile in your editing software. In fact, you have to create a very specific profile (cht, cie files) that matches the RGB values printed on the back of the card.
It's a challenging and time-consuming task, but the results are more accurate (not as good as x-rite, but better than using a 'wrong' chart profile).
Thanks for the in-depth demo. I bought one of those $15 dollar cards and it's basically useless. However, over a decade ago after calibrating my Epson R2880 photo and V600 scanner I scanned my X-rite color checker and printed out some 8"X10" images on pure white matte photo paper, and it and found the prints to preform practically identical to the original chart for video and photos.
I just pulled out those images I printed over 10 years ago from a pelican case from 10 years ago, and they they work as well as a new color-checker passport I just bought.
For those on a budget with a decent printer or a good photo lab, it might be worth downloading some of the open source calibrated color chart images from FUJIFilm, Kodak and Epson, print them out, might be better than nothing and possibly good as a $200 chart depending on your printer.
Years ago, I also downloaded some online images of color/printer checker charts and printed them out on the Epson 2880 with similar results. I even tried popping the color checker chart on my Canon ink-jet office scanner/copier using Canon photo paper and got usable results that were better than nothing.
17:47 to see the results
Pixel perfect image: imgur.com/dlgAK9d
X-rite image: imgur.com/ejWZgCm
Use color passport for photo (for several years) and video (recently). Don't know, if they are interchangeable - so got both 🙃- from Calibrate/X-rite. Color cards have several advantages imho - the primary one being color consistency from one camera to the next. No more "fiddling" with getting the look and feel you like when your camera/video recorder changes - or if you use different ones for the same production. Also, skin tones - that most difficult of all color corrections - are a breeze.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience!
I have the cheap one, and the "true" back is like a dark gray and the border/frame colors is actually black. 🤔 I find it mind-blowing there aren't more people making a passport like color checker for cheaper since the build quality is cheap plastic.
Patents
Isn't the expensive part the quality of the pigments and making it non fading etc? Plus patents ?
@@allydouillette4661 yeah I guess so, but patents live for something like 20 years, and I've seen a couple of brands around so I imagine that the patent protection is over, or the competition just don't care. Yet prices are quite ridiculous.
What is $200 in the big scheme of things? Does it save you time? How much is your time worth? The aggravation and stress?
exactly. it's a pro tool meant for pros. i got myself one just to see how much things improved and... yes, they improve a LOT. i use the photo one, but having a baseline WB+color makes it sooooooo much more easy to batch correct everything, and then start playing around with sliders to give the final look.
The passport you have is meant for video I think. The pixel perfect is more comparable to the color checker classic, so that may be part of any observed differences. I think X-Rite states their different color checkers are not equivalent or interchangeable. I'm typing this as I watch so forgive me if you address this later in the video.
That’s a very good point! I’m also a little confused when there is a X-Rite Passport for photos. Thank you so much for your sharing your experience with us! Thank you so much for your support too!
I'm not rich and I live in Australia with a horrible US exchange rate. I have both the video and photo passports and use them every time I fly my drone (M2P and MPP) or taking stills with a Canon 5D mk IV. Cameras, lenses, tripods, filters are bloody expensive, so why complain about $US150 that will save you hours of editing time and guarantee you colour accuracy? How many people even colour calibrate their monitors or laptops. I don't see the point of spending all the money on glass and bodies and the output is not colour accurate. Once you have a good white balance and you know the colors and skin tones are correct, then apply any LUT or artistic filter you desire.
What are the benefits of using the photo passport for photos? I'm thinking about getting the video passport for both photos and videos?
@@mrivkinr I have the video one as well now. The thing I like about a color checker is the ability to ensure my colours are accurate before I do any stylistic changes. Once I create a profile for the lighting I'm shooting under? It's easy then to apply the profile to all other photos under the same lighting. The process of creating the profile takes less than a minute. With the drones I take the photo before I launch. With a DSLR, I take an image when I think the lighting calls for it. I have also found it useful when traveling as the colorchecker as I don't need to remember the lighting conditions a month or more later.
Thanks Mark! I got the photo passport 2 photo & might get the large non passport version for video. For now I was use the photo version for exposure and white balance for video with the white and grey card included…
one question for you..can i use my x-rite color checker for photos for video also ???
I somehow don't like the form factor of the Colorcheck Passport. To hand hold it is fine but if you want to attach it to a c-stand + clamp arm it is going to crack.
X-rite through Calibri makes a color check video target card that looks better.
The Pixel Perfect card is useless as it's not accurate.
Are there any other better target cards that can potentially be fit onto a clapper board?
Is it different from the checker for photography? If it is, what is the difference?
That's a great question! If I remember it correctly, the photography version does not have different skin tones like the video version. That's very important for video production. Hope it helps! Thank you so much for your support on the video!
LOL your comparing two cards with different swatches. That's why they are reading different. The one on the left is for photo and the one on the right is for video. When you put it into the program, it thinks the swatches match up, but it doesn't lol
how accurate is only white, grey and black on X-rite vs color x-rite ?
I’m new to video editing. This was very informative. Thanks!
You are very welcome! That's awesome! I'm excited for you too! I'm glad that you found the video informative! Thank you so much for your support!
new here: so for video color correction i have to bring the passport in the shot (every shot), use it to color correct in final cut, and then cut the frame out of the video and be left with correct color correction for the remainder of the clip?
You're taking it on faith that the colors printed on the test card are accurate. There can be tremendous variations in blending the colored inks used to print these things, so you don't really know if the colors are accurate or not.
High-end video engineers here in Hollywood don't use color charts and vectorscopes but instead use a gray scale and make sure white, black and gray are truly achromatic. If the colors are still off after you've white and black balanced, then you need to start looking for a problem with your camera.
You also need to make sure your camera's gammas are properly set.
Awesome dude. I'll def reference this video again later - almost got one of those cheaper ones during Prime day and was gonna get it during Black Friday.
I’m glad that the video helped! Thank you so much for your support! Definitely keep us updated!
im checking out my pixel perfect color chart in neutral light and the colours are very different from the ones you edited... maybe that could make the color grading look so bad? it works for me on photography...
It's a helpful video. Thank you for creating it!
You are very welcome! I’m glad that the video helped! Thank you so much for your support!
Another video says the tracker has to be facing your keylight... I smell a debate coming
well if you're really worries about the grey card performance you can simply use another grey card. They are inside everyone's budget.
How would you know what kind of plastic components they used for the Xrite? You seem to equate plastic=cheap and not solid. That's yesterday's thinking of the 50s and 60s where most plastic was short-lived and not so durable.
My father sold industrial plastics and some know it all insisted on ordering the incorrect synthetic material for making a large bushing despite my father's advice. A while later he phoned back furious that he was sold some "metallic" material that destroyed his drive shaft on his prototype machine. LOL. Dumb f()ck wouldn't listen when my dad warned him.
I feel those Passport's are so overpriced.
you're also supposed to replace them every 2 years... lol
Thanks for really useful compare
You are welcome!
Thanks for making this video. I almost bought a cheap one which would have been an unnecessary disaster compared to a few bucks more to help me get the right colors.
2:09 - but you're holding it in the wrong spot. It should be help near the area you're exposing for. That would be the highlights on your face. That's where you shuold place it in this particular case.
also, the way you picked points with the qualifier, i don't like this shortcut. if you zoom in on a shaded area, not every single pixel is going to be the same.
In summary, the pixel perfect is NOT PERFECT.
okay the part i don't get, about you adjusting the charts, is that the goal is to have the actual video, with accurate colors, NOT the color chart!!!! What is the point of adjusting your picture to make the chart look accurate IF the chart is not accurate. The chart is either accurate or it is not.
CLEAR AND TO THE PONIT
Thank you so much for your kind words and support on the video!
Very useful video! Would be awesome if you could review the "Andoer Professional 24 Color checker Palette Board Card Test for Superior Digital Color Correction for Balancing Photo Editing" from AliExpress with X-Rite Passport same way! That would be also very useful, could not find any comparison in TH-cam yet
Thank you so much for your kind words and suggestion! I will definitely try to get my hands on the Andoer color checker! Thank you so much for your support!
Can final cut make and export luts? I have a cheap color checker and the reds are over saturated. I used 3d luts creator and still not able to fix.
That's a great question! At this moment I don't think Final Cut can export luts, but you can try DaVinci Resolve. Hope it helps! Thank you so much for your support on the video!
This video need 500k views lets go
Thank you so much for your kind words and support! It means a lot to us!
good video. the feedback of the other comments (esp. you excusing for stuff that few will realize if you don't mention it) is good.
if you find a possibility to record video in video for the monitor parts (frankly i didn't see stuff during the correction, but the colors changing) it would help.
Also i'm a bit missing a logical thread during the video, it looks like an unedited oneshot. I think it would help to do a small storyboard beforehand and then start filming. it makes the video smoother and points out the relevant conclusions of the comparison you did.
At all it's an informative video, the soundquality is so good that it's easy to follow and motivates to listen to you, but there's a bit of improvement in the storyline.
Thank you so much for your feedback and support! I will work hard to improve my video quality!
nah im just gonna print my own 🏃🏃🏃💨
You are editing the video without showing how (because you use dual-monitor setup). According to me the presentation is not OK.
How do they get away with $200 for a piece of plastic?
simple: the person that uses this $200 piece of plastic gets paid $200+/hr.
@@83hjf Yea, not most of the people who buy it.
@@divisionoflabor3070 oof hahaha but you're right
10:40 so compare the 2 charts, one of them is not accurate.
Insanely overpriced.
it's a pro tool meant for pros. if you're paying hundreds an hour to a colorist to color grade a movie, it's a steal. if you're a hobby youtuber, with "moody" lighting and your audience watches on a small phone screen... yeah it's overpriced.
Well you saved me 15 bucks on crap cheap version
These cards are so ridiculously priced pieces of printed plastics and cardboard
You are paying someone else to solve a problem for you. If you consider the labor to get the color adjustments spot on to the cost of the card, it's pretty cheap. In addition to the card, you are paying for someone who puts the effort in to make sure that every single card has the same exact color plus support in software for what the color should be. For cheaper cards, they may not care that the batches are similar, but not exactly the same.
If you need something even cheaper, it will depend on your software support. For example, if you use DaVinci Resolve, it has built in support for the Datacolor SpyderCheckr 24 which costs $50. This seems high for the cost of raw materials, but compared to the value you get in time saved, it's can be worth it.
@@JGoodwin People don't want to learn. I can barely afford one right now but on the other hand, I can barely afford not to be producing colour accurate video and images so I'll be buying one shortly. More and more, my work is being requested for use by arts councils, publishers and documentary producers for reproduction in their projects. That won't last for long if I'm sending out random ideas of what the art looks like and their producers have to correct my work.
@@charlieross-BRM I'm using DaVinci Resolve, which supposedly has a correct alignment for the Spydercheckr24 which I bought. I figured it was a compromise to get something which doesn't work well in any other video editor, at this time.
I ain't spending 200 hundred for some garbage
Basically the cheaper one is a piece of Ship ** lol
a calibration tool that is not accurate is not worth owning at all.
The pixel perfect is just crap. Not only the colors are not accurate but it's reflective and semi transparent.
you can unplug 2nd screen and stop apologizing
Thank you for the suggestion and support!
And show what he's actually doing, this could be so rigged because of that missing screen.
A 20 minute (yawn) video on comparing 2 different color checker.
just asking... why cannot anyone just print this colors or something this on a paper or something?
Then you have the exact problem that is shown here with the cheap color checker. It won't be accurate. You need a printer that can print in a color accurate way.
The X-rite one isn’t printed with a CMYK printer, which has a very limited colour gamut.
Each if the squares is printed with a special spot ink, that is accurate and consistent, so that every colorchecker passport is exactly the same. Which is not cheap.
If people printed their own then each one would be different. The printers are different, the paper etc. the only reason this thing works is because it is consistent.
Anybody tried the 4in1 color checker by “pixiss” is it any better than the pixel perfect? Thanks 🙏🏻