"YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT YOUR INTERPRETATION IS CORRECT BUT YOU HAVE NOT EARNED THAT IN THE COURT OF RHETORIC YET!" Forever sad that NL will have the most beautiful prose in the most absurd arguments and I won't.
Im trying to envision nl's plan to use the pool noodle to get out of the well and its just not happening. If hes planning to use it as a handhold to help climb out there is no shot it has the required load bearing abilities to hold a grown man
I don’t even know how he’s thinking it will just stay suspended on the wall of the well. Like what’s holding it up? Just the fact that you made it the circumference of the well? Insane
I'm guessing he's thinking the diameter of the well is so small he can push his legs against the wall while the pool noodle is behind his back against the wall.
Some pool noodles are pretty stiff, but the real question is is that if the well has water in it. You will be floating there for a while so it's best to have some way to float
maybe im just a shitty friend but - Drive to airport, pickup from airport, hold back hair, help move. why are they on the list - they're such minor things to do
these guys are also old, so i can't imagine them sharing steam account because you don't have money to buy baldur's gate or share wow password to make potions on your alchemist friend's character.
Transistor Radio is always on these bullshit "list of useful things" lists and it's always so cringe. Who the fuck KNOWS that Transistor Radios can only receive, not send anything. Unless you've already been on a company team building course and been laughed at by the course coordinator, how the hell are you supposed to know it's useless. smfh
I know because the term "tranny" is sometimes used by some old people (British) I know to refer to their radio. It's only called a "transistor radio" just to define itself as the ones that play music (Eg car radios) not communicate with other people and because that's its proper name. That being said, if music is blasting out of a well, I'm peering inside
The only reason the password debate even started is because NL didn't even consider the implication of "sharing passwords" probably referring to streaming services lmao.
@@Smonsequenses It's vague, but vague in a way that the other side was right. "Share passwords" is met by sharing any passwords, it doesn't say "share all passwords." He was adding a word to the prompt which changed the scope, but as written it doesn't require sharing for everything. Or to put it another way both "share netflix" and "share banking" could fit under "share passwords," but "if you share netflix then you have to share banking" doesn't follow from that. Since NL was the one trying to interpret the universal case he was wrong in this context, even if his specific thing he didn't want to share could also be a type of password which could be shared.
The whole debate is stupid. Obviously it could mean either - that's an inherent ambiguity in the English language, and neither meaning is really implied over the other. The only relevant question is which interpretation chat was more likely to gravitate towards, and the argument only started because Apollo is consistently unable to think in those terms - he constantly argues that chat or the other players are "wrong" for how they interpret things rather than accepting that subjectivity in communication is a simple fact of life that can easily be accounted for.
He's right man that question is worded badly. Jumping to bank account passwords is a strech but sharing your netflix password and your, like, email password are still wildy different things that could reasonably come from the promt
You've got like 100 passwords, just because you might share 1 with your best friend doesn't mean you don't keep them under lock-and-key 99% of the time. Whereas everything else besides "read screenplay" is just typical friend stuff.
@@HeckYepNah this is just fucked even reading a screenplay is normal it’s like asking a friend to check on a script depending on who you are. Why would everything else be normal and this one tell you that you must share most if not all your passwords with your friends and not the obvious ones like streaming? Like what?
I do not get NL's argument. Sharing streaming passwords is typical friend stuff. all of the other stuff in the poll was also normal shit you do for friends. interpreting it as sharing banking passwords is just an objectively wrong way to interpret it as its obvious thats not what it was implying. Then it wouldnt be typical friend stuff and wouldn't fit the poll
exactly lmao like whats the point in this debate when sharing passwords is the clear number one anyways? like who tf is giving their friend's a password but will decline driving you to the airport?
Just reading that title makes me wonder if I should even watch this clip because Poll Mine makes me wanna commit minecraft. I still can't believe they thought people would care about fresh seafood in a perfect grocery store. Like, the average person's too broke to buy seafood regularly unless they live on a coastline where it's just gonna be fresh anyways.
The necessary context is the rest of the choices available. If you assume the worst case scenario for password sharing, why not assume worst case scenario for the other options as well? NL is wrong
Sharing Password was the number 1 answer so NL was right. I would not share my email password or my phone password with anyone. I would not even share steam accounts with a friend. The rest of the options I would do and have done for a friend, except reading a screenplay because non of my friends are writers.
@p.b.9364 you'd pick someone up from the airport 5 hours away? You'd help someone move 30 trips worth of belongings? Or be the designated driver for a bank robbery? That's crazy.
@@vera39440 I understand what you're implying, that the most extreme interpretation can't be *necessarily* assumed for each option, including sharing passwords. However, what NL did get right, and what he was trying to explain, was that his interpretation of that *specific* option was correct, in so far as 'correct' means the majority's interpretation. Whether or not it is a valid assumption outside of the game doesn't matter, all that matters is that most people interpreted that way, which they seemingly did. It's two different arguments.
They hated him because he spoke the truth. Their content flow is very similar with how enelle is basically a just chatting streamer with subway surfers in the background, except he has actual brain activity.
Bro literally what the hell was nl talking about sharing in the passwords argument? Like yeah if you wanna be reddit then technically you could read the prompt as sharing your bank password but like .... Reading it that way is so far past the bounds of common sense that it's shattering the platonic image of what was once a sensible man in my head.
It's no different than only focusing on streaming passwords though. People have like 100 passwords and I know I personally would only share 1 or 2 with anyone ever. Literally every other option besides "read screenplay" is just typical friend stuff.
The "would least do for a friend" prompt was insane, I would literally do any of them happily for my friends EXCEPT for the sharing password thing. Even if it's not your litteral banking account, your netflix have almost the same information. Any one of the other I'd feel good doing because I'm doing something for my friend.
What are you talking about? Netflix obscures your debit/credit card info for exactly this reason, and further I just use my PayPal to pay, which just shows the PayPal logo and the first two letters of the email associated with it, which my friends already know, meaning it just shows info they already know.
In defense of NL in regards to sharing passwords: if a friend came up to me and asked “Do you want to share passwords?” I’d assume that they would be talking about anything that has a password
@@spelcheakno it is because all the other answers could be asked with that same set up with the exact wording and work. Share passwords is the only one that doesn’t fit that
I’ll say it, the answer is worded poorly, it’s too vague. “Share Passwords” could mean a million different things, if it’s supposed to be something as trivial as a streaming service password than state that in the answer.
I've given friends my bank pin and credit card info before. Why dont you guys have friends you trust? I feel like being confident my friends wouldn't steal from me is a pretty basic bar for meaningful relationship
i mean sharing passwords is obviously the one option here you'd be the most hesitant about either way lmao so wtf is the point in making a debate about it? Like id be fine reading my friend's screenplay but id think twice if they asked for literally any password.
my favorite part of NL and friends are the absolutely heated arguments where no one makes any damn sense lol
"YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT YOUR INTERPRETATION IS CORRECT BUT YOU HAVE NOT EARNED THAT IN THE COURT OF RHETORIC YET!"
Forever sad that NL will have the most beautiful prose in the most absurd arguments and I won't.
NL's contemporaneous prose is so wasted on jackbox this guy could be swaying policy at the UN
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THERE'S TWO POSSIBLE CONTENTIOUS AMBIGUOUS INTERPRETATIONS!"
I AM THE ANGRY PUMPKIN type shit
I’m baffled by NL’s pool noodle theory, but chat must think high heels are made out of steel if they think you can use them as ice picks
More so rocks than bricks but you get it
Most of chat has never been close enough to a woman to know how easily the heels on high heels break off
You just need to make sure that they’re mountain-climbing heels! 😀
NL's pool noodle theory sent me, just imagining him trying to do that had me rolling for some reason.
I would rather share my banking password than move my friend to the sun, YTA
How about the Australian outback?
@@thaDjMauz Whaaaatts the difference!?!
4:02 "Pool noodles are so fun to bite chunks out of" ???
classic hotboytoke
...you guys didn't do that as a child
such a hemomancer thing to say
he's right
remember, they are noodles
this group is always giving that one image where every person is thinking "these people are a bunch of weird freaks good thing i'm normal"
Justin saying he shares a Hulu with two people in the call cracked me up so much
Im trying to envision nl's plan to use the pool noodle to get out of the well and its just not happening. If hes planning to use it as a handhold to help climb out there is no shot it has the required load bearing abilities to hold a grown man
I don’t even know how he’s thinking it will just stay suspended on the wall of the well. Like what’s holding it up? Just the fact that you made it the circumference of the well? Insane
I'm guessing he's thinking the diameter of the well is so small he can push his legs against the wall while the pool noodle is behind his back against the wall.
@@markusa5293This is the only method that makes sense with the pool noodle. (other than Chiblee's flood)
Some smaller normal ass wells aren't that deep, I'm waving the pool noodle out the top hoping someone sees
Some pool noodles are pretty stiff, but the real question is is that if the well has water in it. You will be floating there for a while so it's best to have some way to float
if it said "share an item with a friend" NL would be over here saying "no I wouldn't give them my wallet!!"
"no i wouldnt give them my ass!"
He's right though, 90% of passwords are not sharable. Unless you make a specific password just to share, doing so is just not a good idea.
But it wouldn't say "share an item with a friend", it would say "share your belongings with a friend."
@@dexorne9753 don't you think it's probably talking about the passwords that are often shared between friends
maybe im just a shitty friend but - Drive to airport, pickup from airport, hold back hair, help move. why are they on the list - they're such minor things to do
Especially hold back hair like cmon
these guys are also old, so i can't imagine them sharing steam account because you don't have money to buy baldur's gate or share wow password to make potions on your alchemist friend's character.
Funny part is Justin shares one of his streaming accounts with chib
I love the way NL fired at Apollo for Among Us and Apollo’s response was just to pull another common Among Us argument lmao
Nobody is going to get out of a well using any of those tools, unless the well is narrow enough you could climb out anyways.
I think that's the point, but I haven't earned that in the court of rhetoric yet
High heels, but they're REALLY high.
maybe you wouldnt be able to, Im built different though
@@loroleibusser5993shit man, didn’t even think about that one
@@CycleMantis +2
Transistor Radio is always on these bullshit "list of useful things" lists and it's always so cringe. Who the fuck KNOWS that Transistor Radios can only receive, not send anything. Unless you've already been on a company team building course and been laughed at by the course coordinator, how the hell are you supposed to know it's useless. smfh
Even if you did get it to function, it would be the weakest radio signal... You'd be better off shouting for help
I know because the term "tranny" is sometimes used by some old people (British) I know to refer to their radio. It's only called a "transistor radio" just to define itself as the ones that play music (Eg car radios) not communicate with other people and because that's its proper name. That being said, if music is blasting out of a well, I'm peering inside
If you have just a little bit of electronics interest or are above a certain age, you know exactly what a transistor radio is.
Finally!! I was yelling at my screen lol
it works for this game though, since all of them assumed it could work.
The only reason the password debate even started is because NL didn't even consider the implication of "sharing passwords" probably referring to streaming services lmao.
No the only reason that debate started is because it is not implied at all, it´s interpretation
@@Smonsequenses It's vague, but vague in a way that the other side was right. "Share passwords" is met by sharing any passwords, it doesn't say "share all passwords." He was adding a word to the prompt which changed the scope, but as written it doesn't require sharing for everything.
Or to put it another way both "share netflix" and "share banking" could fit under "share passwords," but "if you share netflix then you have to share banking" doesn't follow from that. Since NL was the one trying to interpret the universal case he was wrong in this context, even if his specific thing he didn't want to share could also be a type of password which could be shared.
@@TheSquareOnes yep egg is in the wrong. he couldn't admit his oversight once he's established a position. rip
The whole debate is stupid. Obviously it could mean either - that's an inherent ambiguity in the English language, and neither meaning is really implied over the other. The only relevant question is which interpretation chat was more likely to gravitate towards, and the argument only started because Apollo is consistently unable to think in those terms - he constantly argues that chat or the other players are "wrong" for how they interpret things rather than accepting that subjectivity in communication is a simple fact of life that can easily be accounted for.
@@JD-wu5pf that's true that it's the much more likely interpretation of the prompt, but it does not mean the prompt is not ambiguous
10:42 took so long for someone to say it lmao
took my bike to the lake~
This generation's Drove My Chevy To The Levy
you know what i mean?
80 miles from Santa Fe?
Technically, any radio receiver has the components to emit radio signals as well (albeit weakly)
I love when he vehemently argues even when he’s clearly in the wrong
Wasn't he right though? It ended up being 1st right?
There was some truly psycho behavior this time
man gunned-down the entire among us lobby over poll mines omg
(he's not wrong, though)
Nah NL was totally out of line on the password discussion
@@vitzel33 yeah the other choices provided the context for you to know that it meant sharing the passwords people typically share
best banter I have seen in 10 years cant believe I missed it
why was anyone agreeing with nl on the password thingy i thought he was running a bit
He's right man that question is worded badly. Jumping to bank account passwords is a strech but sharing your netflix password and your, like, email password are still wildy different things that could reasonably come from the promt
You've got like 100 passwords, just because you might share 1 with your best friend doesn't mean you don't keep them under lock-and-key 99% of the time. Whereas everything else besides "read screenplay" is just typical friend stuff.
@@jcp1296 ah yes the classic trope of lending your email password to a friend
@@HeckYepNah this is just fucked even reading a screenplay is normal it’s like asking a friend to check on a script depending on who you are. Why would everything else be normal and this one tell you that you must share most if not all your passwords with your friends and not the obvious ones like streaming? Like what?
@@arsonblu8333 a screenplay can be up to 120 pages long
i don't think the pool noodle would have resisting force against the wall of the well to allow body weight
i just hope to make it to the court of rhetoric one day.
The only reasonable interpretation for "drive to airport" is that it includes driving to all airports...
I'm wondering how a transistor radio, something that only receives radio broadcasts and cannot transmit, is going to help you out
what about sharing the password to your super cool top secret tree fort NO GIRLS ALLOWED?
I do not get NL's argument. Sharing streaming passwords is typical friend stuff. all of the other stuff in the poll was also normal shit you do for friends. interpreting it as sharing banking passwords is just an objectively wrong way to interpret it as its obvious thats not what it was implying. Then it wouldnt be typical friend stuff and wouldn't fit the poll
I would happily share passwords with a couple friends... but that list is way more exclusive than for the other stuff
exactly lmao like whats the point in this debate when sharing passwords is the clear number one anyways? like who tf is giving their friend's a password but will decline driving you to the airport?
Just reading that title makes me wonder if I should even watch this clip because Poll Mine makes me wanna commit minecraft. I still can't believe they thought people would care about fresh seafood in a perfect grocery store. Like, the average person's too broke to buy seafood regularly unless they live on a coastline where it's just gonna be fresh anyways.
presumably access to consistent fresh seafood = cheaper seafood, as is my experience on the east coast
The necessary context is the rest of the choices available.
If you assume the worst case scenario for password sharing, why not assume worst case scenario for the other options as well?
NL is wrong
And yet, "share passwords" was the number 1 answer
@@H3110ification yes, it's the difference between voting with your gut and voting with your brain
Sharing Password was the number 1 answer so NL was right. I would not share my email password or my phone password with anyone. I would not even share steam accounts with a friend. The rest of the options I would do and have done for a friend, except reading a screenplay because non of my friends are writers.
@p.b.9364 you'd pick someone up from the airport 5 hours away? You'd help someone move 30 trips worth of belongings? Or be the designated driver for a bank robbery?
That's crazy.
@@vera39440 I understand what you're implying, that the most extreme interpretation can't be *necessarily* assumed for each option, including sharing passwords. However, what NL did get right, and what he was trying to explain, was that his interpretation of that *specific* option was correct, in so far as 'correct' means the majority's interpretation. Whether or not it is a valid assumption outside of the game doesn't matter, all that matters is that most people interpreted that way, which they seemingly did. It's two different arguments.
They dont specify how high the heels are! They could be a 30 foot tall pair of shoes! Put em on and step out! SO SIMPLE
Oh brother...
If you think about it nl is millennial Joe Rogan and The librarian is Jamie
No
They hated him because he spoke the truth. Their content flow is very similar with how enelle is basically a just chatting streamer with subway surfers in the background, except he has actual brain activity.
@@HealfieWalkerthis is the dark truth the lame stream media doesn’t want you to know
Great thumbnail
High Heels and Rubber Gloves were easy picks for me. I'm glad they had the same reasonings I did for em
Rare nl L
Bro literally what the hell was nl talking about sharing in the passwords argument? Like yeah if you wanna be reddit then technically you could read the prompt as sharing your bank password but like ....
Reading it that way is so far past the bounds of common sense that it's shattering the platonic image of what was once a sensible man in my head.
It's no different than only focusing on streaming passwords though. People have like 100 passwords and I know I personally would only share 1 or 2 with anyone ever. Literally every other option besides "read screenplay" is just typical friend stuff.
Passwords, not password. Males complete sense that it's several or all passwords, if it was a safe password ro share, it wouldn't have been included.
Anytime Poll Mine’s involved I already know I’m gonna hate whatever Apollo says lol
That man is so invested in having the wrong opinion. I always thought it's a bit but he just is like That.
@@Traten65 he and Justin have the most streamer brain I’ve ever seen
The "would least do for a friend" prompt was insane, I would literally do any of them happily for my friends EXCEPT for the sharing password thing. Even if it's not your litteral banking account, your netflix have almost the same information. Any one of the other I'd feel good doing because I'm doing something for my friend.
What are you talking about? Netflix obscures your debit/credit card info for exactly this reason, and further I just use my PayPal to pay, which just shows the PayPal logo and the first two letters of the email associated with it, which my friends already know, meaning it just shows info they already know.
"Netflix have almost the same information"
No it absolutely does not lmao
anyone sharing their passwords with anyone else is a complete fool.
In defense of NL in regards to sharing passwords: if a friend came up to me and asked “Do you want to share passwords?” I’d assume that they would be talking about anything that has a password
That’s not a defense
@@spelcheakno it is because all the other answers could be asked with that same set up with the exact wording and work. Share passwords is the only one that doesn’t fit that
I’ll say it, the answer is worded poorly, it’s too vague. “Share Passwords” could mean a million different things, if it’s supposed to be something as trivial as a streaming service password than state that in the answer.
I've given friends my bank pin and credit card info before. Why dont you guys have friends you trust? I feel like being confident my friends wouldn't steal from me is a pretty basic bar for meaningful relationship
Quote from world's least betrayed man
@@cool_scatter or world's most naive mark
i mean sharing passwords is obviously the one option here you'd be the most hesitant about either way lmao so wtf is the point in making a debate about it? Like id be fine reading my friend's screenplay but id think twice if they asked for literally any password.