To me Heaner screams backup long-term and is ideal for Carr's ego. Rattler has more ability than Heaner. I don't it matters either way bc the team around either QB cannot elevate them. Gotta say I'm almost out on Kubiak as a playcaller seeing a lot of bad 2nd half adjustments. Wondering if Carr is that bad (probably) or if Kubiak is mid as a coordinator (maybe).
To me Rattler screams career backup because he cannot read defenses and is an erratic passer. Not very accurate in short to intermediate passing. Jake screams franchise QB because he is much smarter and much more accurate than Rattler.
Happy Holidays, I think our chances are improved with Haener or Spence starting. If they use the middle of the field and use screens to bolster ball control, then it comes down to our D and ST. I think Grupe will have a good game. Final N O 20 Wash 17
@@larryholmes9005 LMAO. Rattler will be a career backup if he is lucky! This is the NFL which means the most important attributes is accuracy and football intelligence which Rattler lacks both. Also, your information is false. Jake is an inch taller than Rattler and Rattler has a RAS (Relative Athletic Score of 2.5 out of 10 which was worst in his QB draft class). Jake ran a 4.8 40 and Rattler clocked at 4.95. So, this bullshit Rattler upside is just that. He has a slightly better arm but there are guys working in shipyards who can throw the ball 90 yards. Arm strength without accuracy and smarts don't mean shit. Rattler is ass!
@ I originally thought so also but another poster besides yourself informed me Spence is 6’ and 211 lbs. Not the ideal measurements for an NFL QB. Haener is actually taller
I think Haner is a little more poised than Rattler. That's a very small sample size. I say give the young man a chance. Maybe he can manage the game, and maybe it helps Rattler to settle. If the Saints win one of the next 2 with a young QB, and then win the last 2 with Carr. How would that affect Rizzi? I think they can stick with Rizzi, and have a 3 year rebuild plan. Take care of the cap, and be an up and coming team.
Honestly Rattler has the most upside and the staff and players know this!! those 3 games we lost could have been the same games we lost with Carr!!! But yea go ahead and start Haener and see the out come. There is a reason why this kid is challenging both of them. Problem is Carr is $150 million QB because dumb ass Allen and Loomis!! This franchise is doomed with our leadership!!!
WRONG! I am sick and tired of the bullshit Rattler upside narrative. This is the NFL which means the most important attributes are accuracy and football intelligence which Rattler lacks both. Jake is an inch taller than Rattler and Rattler has a RAS (Relative Athletic Score of 2.5 out of 10 which was worst in his QB draft class). Jake ran a 4.8 40 and Rattler clocked at 4.95. So, this bullshit Rattler upside is just that. He has a slightly better arm but there are guys working in shipyards who can throw the ball 90 yards. Arm strength without accuracy and smarts don't mean shit. Rattler is ass!
@ sit tf down nobody wanna watch a unathletic lil white guy be just as trash as our starter lol. Nobody cares about his RAS score or none that. Real saints fans know that RAS score has been bullshit in regard to some of the failed players we have drafted. So get out of your feelings because end of the day they all suck. I would much rather watch Rattler it would at least not be a boring game.
Vs panthers Carr decides to throw the deep ball to MVS instead of juwan for a first down on 4th down Vs rams Carr decides to change the play to a man beater after sending a man in motion that clearly showed the defense was in zone Vs giants Carr decides to superman on a 2nd down A qb who just makes bad decisions...a 11 year vet qb at that.
That's true but the upside is more on rattler, he's bigger, has a stronger arm and more athletic, it's not saying he will be better than Jake but he has more UPSIDE
@@LilSkrimp69 WRONG! This is the NFL which means the most important attributes is accuracy and football intelligence which Rattler lacks both. Also, your information is false. Jake is an inch taller than Rattler and Rattler has a RAS (Relative Athletic Score of 2.5 out of 10 which was worst in his QB draft class). Jake ran a 4.8 40 and Rattler clocked at 4.95. So, this bullshit Rattler upside is just that. He has a slightly better arm but there are guys working in shipyards who can throw the ball 90 yards. Arm strength without accuracy and smarts don't mean shit. Rattler is ass!
Payton started Taysom to protect Brees. You couldn’t convince me otherwise. There’s no way on gods green earth he thought Taysom was a better qb than Jameis lol.
A question for NIck Underhill: Why do you see the "long-term prognosis" of Rattler being "a lot better" than Haener's? I don't see it.. Haener has performed very well in both training camps he's been in, in practice and also in the games he played in briefly. He has a quicker release, is little more accurate and seems to process his reads better that Rattler does. His college record showed exceptional QB acumen. I'm looking forward to him getting his chance on Sunday against the Comanders.
@@Raquill215 False. First of all, Jake has not started and played one full regular season game so you have no idea what he completed. Secondly, anyone who watches football can see Jake is much more accurate both in the NFL from preseason games and from college. Rattler is ass. Rattler barely completed 50% of his passes in college and in his 0-3 start he completed 40% so try again.
Carr failed kubiac with his bs QB play Giving up on plays to earlier throwing the ball out of bounds checking the ball down and etc kubiac probably leave and do good like everyone else who leaves
Seeing Carr make that leap, made me think, he’s way too old to be doing that. I can see Rattler or any of the young bucks around the league bouncing up off of that, but not Carr. He doesn’t realize that he’s way more fragile than he used to be.
I think you are being bias against rattler even though you know the conditions that man played under he is a rookie playing with a terrible offensive line
You are a typical Rattler cultist. Rattler is ass! We already know that. from his 0-3 start, 14 sacks, and 5 turnovers in just 3 games. Pure Trash. It is Jake Haener time!
This Saints 2024 season has been an absolute disaster. To start off 2-0 like we did to where we are now 😕 WHOOF! dennis allen bum as$ was doin tv interviews and everything 😂. This fall off has to be studied 😂
Rattler has got the visible upside, but lets see what Haener can do. He's in the building for 2 years, lets see now if he's worth the slot year 3 and potentially beyond. Give the man his due.
WRONG! This is the NFL which means the most important attributes is accuracy and football intelligence which Rattler lacks both. Also, your information is false. Jake is an inch taller than Rattler and Rattler has a RAS (Relative Athletic Score of 2.5 out of 10 which was worst in his QB draft class). Jake ran a 4.8 40 and Rattler clocked at 4.95. So, this bullshit Rattler upside is just that. He has a slightly better arm but there are guys working in shipyards who can throw the ball 90 yards. Arm strength without accuracy and smarts don't mean shit. Rattler is ass!
Honestly I want to see Jake get a shot. I was all over Rattler last time, and I agree he has the higher ceiling, and better long-term. But he was pretty blah those final 2 starts, and needs seasoning. Jake deserves it, plus I like his tenacity out there. He's aggressive
Bruh there’s literally no upside to playing Haener…we need to see what we have in rattler we already know Jake isn’t our future and even if rattler is bad we get a better draft pick and an answer(kinda)😂
WRONG! There is no upside in playing trash Rattler again. We already saw how trash he is in his 0-3 start. You Rattler Cultists are afraid if they start Jake he will make trash Rattler look bad. This is the NFL which means the most important attributes is accuracy and football intelligence which Rattler lacks both. Also, your information is false. Jake is an inch taller than Rattler and Rattler has a RAS (Relative Athletic Score of 2.5 out of 10 which was worst in his QB draft class). Jake ran a 4.8 40 and Rattler clocked at 4.95. So, this bullshit Rattler upside is just that. He has a slightly better arm but there are guys working in shipyards who can throw the ball 90 yards. Arm strength without accuracy and smarts don't mean shit. Rattler is ass!
@@DerekwhodatCarr111with all that being said about A ROOKIE who didn’t have 3 interior lineman, missing 2 starting wrs. I bet you think Carr does good though with all the starters on the field😂 you ain’t fooling nobody, Carr did all that with starters in the lineup stop dik riding
If they go with Jake then he needs to have a similar situation as rattler did. How do you expect Spencer to succeed with the players he was throwing to. On top of that they were dropping his passes and Dennis Allen didn’t coach well at all
To me Heaner screams backup long-term and is ideal for Carr's ego. Rattler has more ability than Heaner.
I don't it matters either way bc the team around either QB cannot elevate them.
Gotta say I'm almost out on Kubiak as a playcaller seeing a lot of bad 2nd half adjustments.
Wondering if Carr is that bad (probably) or if Kubiak is mid as a coordinator (maybe).
feel the same on Kubiak regarding 2nd half adjustments. Haener needs to break the mold of Carr's #2.
To me Rattler screams career backup because he cannot read defenses and is an erratic passer. Not very accurate in short to intermediate passing. Jake screams franchise QB because he is much smarter and much more accurate than Rattler.
Happy Holidays, I think our chances are improved with Haener or Spence starting. If they use the middle of the field and use screens to bolster ball control, then it comes down to our D and ST. I think Grupe will have a good game. Final N O 20 Wash 17
I like your thinking cause Rattler will be a franchise quarterback in the next 2 yrs
@@larryholmes9005 LMAO. Rattler will be a career backup if he is lucky! This is the NFL which means the most important attributes is accuracy and football intelligence which Rattler lacks both. Also, your information is false. Jake is an inch taller than Rattler and Rattler has a RAS (Relative Athletic Score of 2.5 out of 10 which was worst in his QB draft class). Jake ran a 4.8 40 and Rattler clocked at 4.95. So, this bullshit Rattler upside is just that. He has a slightly better arm but there are guys working in shipyards who can throw the ball 90 yards. Arm strength without accuracy and smarts don't mean shit. Rattler is ass!
@ I originally thought so also but another poster besides yourself informed me Spence is 6’ and 211 lbs. Not the ideal measurements for an NFL QB. Haener is actually taller
@@larryholmes9005 Rattler will be a backup in the USFL in the next 2 years.
Brandon nailed the Carr take.
I think Haner is a little more poised than Rattler. That's a very small sample size. I say give the young man a chance. Maybe he can manage the game, and maybe it helps Rattler to settle.
If the Saints win one of the next 2 with a young QB, and then win the last 2 with Carr. How would that affect Rizzi? I think they can stick with Rizzi, and have a 3 year rebuild plan. Take care of the cap, and be an up and coming team.
Honestly Rattler has the most upside and the staff and players know this!! those 3 games we lost could have been the same games we lost with Carr!!! But yea go ahead and start Haener and see the out come. There is a reason why this kid is challenging both of them. Problem is Carr is $150 million QB because dumb ass Allen and Loomis!! This franchise is doomed with our leadership!!!
Start Haener
@@OLEDIRTMCGIRTlol start the unathletic little white guy got it
@@Mgg2601😂😂💯
WRONG! I am sick and tired of the bullshit Rattler upside narrative. This is the NFL which means the most important attributes are accuracy and football intelligence which Rattler lacks both. Jake is an inch taller than Rattler and Rattler has a RAS (Relative Athletic Score of 2.5 out of 10 which was worst in his QB draft class). Jake ran a 4.8 40 and Rattler clocked at 4.95. So, this bullshit Rattler upside is just that. He has a slightly better arm but there are guys working in shipyards who can throw the ball 90 yards. Arm strength without accuracy and smarts don't mean shit. Rattler is ass!
@ sit tf down nobody wanna watch a unathletic lil white guy be just as trash as our starter lol. Nobody cares about his RAS score or none that. Real saints fans know that RAS score has been bullshit in regard to some of the failed players we have drafted. So get out of your feelings because end of the day they all suck. I would much rather watch Rattler it would at least not be a boring game.
Vs panthers Carr decides to throw the deep ball to MVS instead of juwan for a first down on 4th down
Vs rams Carr decides to change the play to a man beater after sending a man in motion that clearly showed the defense was in zone
Vs giants Carr decides to superman on a 2nd down
A qb who just makes bad decisions...a 11 year vet qb at that.
I agree with Mike on Carr, and how they should handle next year. (I am sure that means something to everyone 😂)
Brandon said “your mid” Just do mid stuff😂😂😂
Harner give you the better chance this year. But haener’s floor is much lower than Spencer.
There’s a chance that Haener throws 4/5 pics in a game.
I'm a Carr supporter, but that play was a dumb decision!
Everyone says spencer has more upside. No one knows. Jake was pretty fire in college. He can be a good qb too. Nobody is giving him a chance
We’ve seen him in the preseason
@@KermitTFYT Playing mostly with players who didn't even make the team. He didn't perform badly.
That's true but the upside is more on rattler, he's bigger, has a stronger arm and more athletic, it's not saying he will be better than Jake but he has more UPSIDE
@@KermitTFYT The preseason don't mean shit.
@@LilSkrimp69 WRONG! This is the NFL which means the most important attributes is accuracy and football intelligence which Rattler lacks both. Also, your information is false. Jake is an inch taller than Rattler and Rattler has a RAS (Relative Athletic Score of 2.5 out of 10 which was worst in his QB draft class). Jake ran a 4.8 40 and Rattler clocked at 4.95. So, this bullshit Rattler upside is just that. He has a slightly better arm but there are guys working in shipyards who can throw the ball 90 yards. Arm strength without accuracy and smarts don't mean shit. Rattler is ass!
Payton started Taysom to protect Brees. You couldn’t convince me otherwise. There’s no way on gods green earth he thought Taysom was a better qb than Jameis lol.
A question for NIck Underhill: Why do you see the "long-term prognosis" of Rattler being "a lot better" than Haener's? I don't see it.. Haener has performed very well in both training camps he's been in, in practice and also in the games he played in briefly. He has a quicker release, is little more accurate and seems to process his reads better that Rattler does. His college record showed exceptional QB acumen. I'm looking forward to him getting his chance on Sunday against the Comanders.
You can't say Jake more accurate when he completed 48 precnt of his passes what were you watching
@@Raquill215 False. First of all, Jake has not started and played one full regular season game so you have no idea what he completed. Secondly, anyone who watches football can see Jake is much more accurate both in the NFL from preseason games and from college. Rattler is ass. Rattler barely completed 50% of his passes in college and in his 0-3 start he completed 40% so try again.
Hey, Nick. What was he thinking? He WASN'T thinking.
carr was thinking he can see the writing on the wall he was hoping to get hurt so he can get that injury clause
Carr looking elsewhere already for 2026.
@@mofeaux-n8c great he azz get fields 2025
You go with the best player.
just play BOTHHHH but i think Rattler should go up FIRST
I’m sick of these legitimate low points
Wit carr we lost 3 straight when missing two players which was mccoy and hill then came back and lost to the panthers
Carr failed kubiac with his bs QB play
Giving up on plays to earlier throwing the ball out of bounds checking the ball down and etc kubiac probably leave and do good like everyone else who leaves
PREACH NICK PREACH !!!!
Jordan love was not good his first couple years with the packers. They need time to develop
Seeing Carr make that leap, made me think, he’s way too old to be doing that. I can see Rattler or any of the young bucks around the league bouncing up off of that, but not Carr. He doesn’t realize that he’s way more fragile than he used to be.
Nick you know better.
Tell us the rank of Denver & the chargers defense
Like yall play too much politics sometimes
Nick is not happy 😂
It was 2nd down LMAO
What happened the next play!? What had been happening the whole damn day on 2nd & 1 or 3rd & 1!? Come on yall.....
@tonydavis3420 Hold on. I'm confused with the tone here. They were 2-for-2 on third-and-1 before that play. Is that "come on y'all" meant for us?
Jolt Cola - all the sugar and twice the caffeine.
I think you are being bias against rattler even though you know the conditions that man played under he is a rookie playing with a terrible offensive line
You are a typical Rattler cultist. Rattler is ass! We already know that. from his 0-3 start, 14 sacks, and 5 turnovers in just 3 games. Pure Trash. It is Jake Haener time!
This show is depressing. I understand keeping it real but dang!
Rotate both of them on certain plays like play action and deep passing duh rattler mobile Jake is not
HELL NO! Trash Rattler had his chance and shit the bed in his 0-3 start. It is Jake's turn!
Bro really havent been watching these games to put carr in the same conversation as the people he named
This Saints 2024 season has been an absolute disaster. To start off 2-0 like we did to where we are now 😕 WHOOF! dennis allen bum as$ was doin tv interviews and everything 😂. This fall off has to be studied 😂
Rattler has got the visible upside, but lets see what Haener can do. He's in the building for 2 years, lets see now if he's worth the slot year 3 and potentially beyond. Give the man his due.
WRONG! This is the NFL which means the most important attributes is accuracy and football intelligence which Rattler lacks both. Also, your information is false. Jake is an inch taller than Rattler and Rattler has a RAS (Relative Athletic Score of 2.5 out of 10 which was worst in his QB draft class). Jake ran a 4.8 40 and Rattler clocked at 4.95. So, this bullshit Rattler upside is just that. He has a slightly better arm but there are guys working in shipyards who can throw the ball 90 yards. Arm strength without accuracy and smarts don't mean shit. Rattler is ass!
Honestly I want to see Jake get a shot. I was all over Rattler last time, and I agree he has the higher ceiling, and better long-term. But he was pretty blah those final 2 starts, and needs seasoning. Jake deserves it, plus I like his tenacity out there. He's aggressive
Bruh there’s literally no upside to playing Haener…we need to see what we have in rattler we already know Jake isn’t our future and even if rattler is bad we get a better draft pick and an answer(kinda)😂
WRONG! There is no upside in playing trash Rattler again. We already saw how trash he is in his 0-3 start. You Rattler Cultists are afraid if they start Jake he will make trash Rattler look bad. This is the NFL which means the most important attributes is accuracy and football intelligence which Rattler lacks both. Also, your information is false. Jake is an inch taller than Rattler and Rattler has a RAS (Relative Athletic Score of 2.5 out of 10 which was worst in his QB draft class). Jake ran a 4.8 40 and Rattler clocked at 4.95. So, this bullshit Rattler upside is just that. He has a slightly better arm but there are guys working in shipyards who can throw the ball 90 yards. Arm strength without accuracy and smarts don't mean shit. Rattler is ass!
@@DerekwhodatCarr111with all that being said about A ROOKIE who didn’t have 3 interior lineman, missing 2 starting wrs. I bet you think Carr does good though with all the starters on the field😂 you ain’t fooling nobody, Carr did all that with starters in the lineup stop dik riding
@@marcoestrada2653 I didn’t even entertain that long ass bs paragraph buddy clearly is just yapping don’t mind him😭😂
@@DerekwhodatCarr111 Looks like u were obviously wrong casual 😂😂😂hush next time okay?
If they go with Jake then he needs to have a similar situation as rattler did. How do you expect Spencer to succeed with the players he was throwing to. On top of that they were dropping his passes and Dennis Allen didn’t coach well at all
Rattler is ASS so just stop. HE is trash!
I hope they start haner so they can see how bad this guy is
I hope they start Jake so they can see how trash Rattler is!