Did you manage to find the answer for the question at 5:54? Some food for thought: AoE DPS needs to deal 1M damage against this boss (5M shared HP 5 enemies). For ST DPS, 5M, 5 times more. And she is off-element. Also trying out this kind of editing commentary. Hope you like it. -No I'm not an Ely simp-
March's EBA at 4:50 displaces her by 1 AV by advancing her to 0 AV (while Bronya here is at 64 AV -> 1 AV) -> she's 1 AV quicker than Bronya and hence is faster than Feixiao after pulling her up! The next part is just to resync them with Eagle by ulting with them and you'd return to the normal rotation, and as always, amazing cook HoS.
because of bronya spd? bronya is slower, so when she pulls feixiao up march passes ~0.8 AV before her next turn. we can see at 5:05 feixiao is already positioned to move after march. as for why it happens during the 4th rotation, it is a bit complicated. 1st rotation everyone at 0 AV thanks to robin, nothing special. then 2nd rotation will still have feixiao first because bronya was at 0 av when she pulled feixiao up. 3rd rotation march should actually act first, but because she is AA'd at end of 2nd rotation after feixiao she is "reset". finally at 4th rotation she goes first due to bronya delay.
AA is more efficient on slower characters, so one wasted DDD or eagle proc on fast character can make it look like further eagles and DDD's are desyncronized and one unit is getting pushed more than another
@@MoltenCheesetart That's a common misconception. AA isn't strictly "more efficient on slower characters", but rather slower characters get to save more AV when advanced. If 2 characters have a same starting point, after the same advance, their order won't change. Rather, if the slower character is closer to their next turn, but still take their next turn after a faster character since they're slower, an advance for both character SOMETIMES result in the slower character jumps ahead. Why? Assuming a slower character is 5000 unit from their next action, and a faster, 10000 -> the faster one need double the spd of the slower to outrun them and takes their turn first. However, if they both got advanced by 2500, the faster one now need 7500/2500 = 3 times the spd of the slower one to outrun them, so now the slower one will take their next turn first. You can generalize this in a maths model and prove it right in all cases.
I know i watched this when you first dopped it but man is it still ridiculous, really puts into perspective how ahead Fei is considering she matches the premium AoE options in her worst possible scenario. Also a little bit unrelated to the video but since i have seen you mention it at all what do you think of the PF changes like who are the biggest winners and losers, can Fei xiao and Boothill now just brute force the bosses with their absurd single target, do characters that have higher instance lower frequency benefit because they waste less damage etc.
very nice to see the run now on the live servers, this team is just so fun to both watch and play did the non eagle variant myself with e2 robin + e2 bronya and worked like a charm. I did still have march on eagle as it such a big qol for speedtuning
Outrageous indeed, extremely impressive! I like that you added a M7 eagle counter. Wish I could try this myself but I don't think my relics can compensate for S1 DDD.
This is insane, it's even better than your old video. I'm not even gonna attempt this because of no E1 Robin but I might try It with the free Bronya so I can get Bronya E2 and then hope with Feixiao and Robin LC It's enough. Do you know what the speed tuning would be with a E2 Bronya? Is It literally base Speed for Feixiao (112 x 1.3 = 145.6), March with 146.5+ and then Bronya with 154? Or maybe Feixiao needs a single speed substats so can reach 159.7 with all the buffs? (112 x 1.408 + 2) Or she can do It even with 157.7? Based on your notes you said that Feixiao should have between 158-160. Thanks!
A no spd Feixiao can work, but you will most likely have to sacrifice the last M7 turn inside Robin's ult in wave 1. Also the spd range for M7 will be very tight as well.
7:47 This music reminds me of your very first hoolay 0-cycle video (using the same comp but 2 cost), which decided me to pull this legendary dps character
I did this fight with the same characters in 0 cycles as well from scratch, only I'm 7 cost with them on my account so it was done in a bit of a different way. It's interesting to see all the things you did differently to accommodate the team's low cost. Very brilliantly done. You come up with some really cool rotations. ♥
Insane strat! I've started to farm eagle domain two months ago with moderate results. Sad that i started so late! Btw, sorry for the off topic, but who do you think offers more value between new 2.7/3.0 characters? I can afford three limited characters/lc's and i'm torn.
@@_JoeVerI'm just a casual player, in my eyes AA from Robin won't be enough to finish 75% HP left (I mean, you can see after feixio's turn after robin's AA is outside 0 cycle) . I didn't expect turn manipulation from Eagle Set and DDD could be that crazy
@HoS_1412 thanks for reply, I am quite new to honkai and was wondering if I'm missing out on much if I don't have Bronya but am planning on pulling Sunday
Incredible run, you somehow did even better than your removed video from earlier. The knowledge about the way the tv boss works will be very helpful, I’ll be attempting this when it releases for me as well. Keep up the great work. On a side note, how much of an upgrade is Sunday really for this team? (Not asking in the context of should I pull or not, just curious since his ult seems like it would be a bit awkward for this team) Could he replace bronya and the robin eidolons? I’d imagine not since Robin e1 is like a 30% raw increase against non matching or something I believe.
Man I'm happy as long as I can auto this boss in 3 turn, But this run is definitely something else Does sonday can pull this off like bronya? Knowing that she can't action advance Robin,
0 spd or 2 spd Feixiao. 0 spd Feixiao most of the time will result in M7 last turn in wave 1 outside Robin's ult, but atk boot Fei can compensate that. However, the spd range for M7'll be heavily limited.
@ Thanks! I was able to 0-cycle it on the very first try lol. My Feixiao is not on Eagle set but she is E2 so I didn’t have any problems with ult stacking
The acheron run is very straighforward and ez to think of, so I don't feel like doing it. You basically use 1 ult for each phase and done. If trying to low cost, malding the TV rng. I'm sure there'll be many people who do it.
Suprisingly, between 3 candidates for low cost: Ache, Rappa, Fei, Fei has the least amount of RNG with the least damage substats requirement. Her getting targeted twice by the bonking elite is very bad RNG.
Did you manage to find the answer for the question at 5:54?
Some food for thought: AoE DPS needs to deal 1M damage against this boss (5M shared HP 5 enemies). For ST DPS, 5M, 5 times more. And she is off-element.
Also trying out this kind of editing commentary. Hope you like it. -No I'm not an Ely simp-
is it because of marchs ult eagle proc on the tv ?
March's EBA at 4:50 displaces her by 1 AV by advancing her to 0 AV (while Bronya here is at 64 AV -> 1 AV) -> she's 1 AV quicker than Bronya and hence is faster than Feixiao after pulling her up! The next part is just to resync them with Eagle by ulting with them and you'd return to the normal rotation, and as always, amazing cook HoS.
because of bronya spd? bronya is slower, so when she pulls feixiao up march passes ~0.8 AV before her next turn. we can see at 5:05 feixiao is already positioned to move after march. as for why it happens during the 4th rotation, it is a bit complicated.
1st rotation everyone at 0 AV thanks to robin, nothing special. then 2nd rotation will still have feixiao first because bronya was at 0 av when she pulled feixiao up. 3rd rotation march should actually act first, but because she is AA'd at end of 2nd rotation after feixiao she is "reset". finally at 4th rotation she goes first due to bronya delay.
AA is more efficient on slower characters, so one wasted DDD or eagle proc on fast character can make it look like further eagles and DDD's are desyncronized and one unit is getting pushed more than another
@@MoltenCheesetart That's a common misconception. AA isn't strictly "more efficient on slower characters", but rather slower characters get to save more AV when advanced. If 2 characters have a same starting point, after the same advance, their order won't change. Rather, if the slower character is closer to their next turn, but still take their next turn after a faster character since they're slower, an advance for both character SOMETIMES result in the slower character jumps ahead.
Why?
Assuming a slower character is 5000 unit from their next action, and a faster, 10000 -> the faster one need double the spd of the slower to outrun them and takes their turn first.
However, if they both got advanced by 2500, the faster one now need 7500/2500 = 3 times the spd of the slower one to outrun them, so now the slower one will take their next turn first.
You can generalize this in a maths model and prove it right in all cases.
Xolze could never
Xolze is a clown
Facts 🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🔥
that private server player could never
Xolze = AbortionFly
"That girl xolze better keep her ass in private server"@@takodachich.515
This guy’s 1 cycle is bigger than my 6 cycles combined
real 😭
Power of robin and bronya
I know i watched this when you first dopped it but man is it still ridiculous, really puts into perspective how ahead Fei is considering she matches the premium AoE options in her worst possible scenario.
Also a little bit unrelated to the video but since i have seen you mention it at all what do you think of the PF changes like who are the biggest winners and losers, can Fei xiao and Boothill now just brute force the bosses with their absurd single target, do characters that have higher instance lower frequency benefit because they waste less damage etc.
What was strong will still be strong. Brute force is not an option. Overall, nothing will change much.
@@HoS_1412 I see good to know. Also I like the little editing
Argenti/Jade/Rappa are yet again big winners because enemies spawn continuously instead of having a cap
@@pally3370and herta too 😅 but are we surprised? Haha
erudition moc defeated by hunt team haha. peak feixiao gameplay thanks!
very nice to see the run now on the live servers, this team is just so fun to both watch and play
did the non eagle variant myself with e2 robin + e2 bronya and worked like a charm. I did still have march on eagle as it such a big qol for speedtuning
My Goat giving me nice surprise at the end with the song choice, your editing is also great here.
This is so goated, you actually saves feixiao so she could still compete even when the moc gonna switch to aoe content
She’s really amazing even with this node being AOE she still held the best clearing !
Outrageous indeed, extremely impressive! I like that you added a M7 eagle counter. Wish I could try this myself but I don't think my relics can compensate for S1 DDD.
impressive editing and even more impressive run!
1 cycle when I play: ...
1 cycle of this guy: ..............................
This is insane, it's even better than your old video.
I'm not even gonna attempt this because of no E1 Robin but I might try It with the free Bronya so I can get Bronya E2 and then hope with Feixiao and Robin LC It's enough.
Do you know what the speed tuning would be with a E2 Bronya? Is It literally base Speed for Feixiao (112 x 1.3 = 145.6), March with 146.5+ and then Bronya with 154? Or maybe Feixiao needs a single speed substats so can reach 159.7 with all the buffs? (112 x 1.408 + 2) Or she can do It even with 157.7? Based on your notes you said that Feixiao should have between 158-160.
Thanks!
You need 1 spd sub
A no spd Feixiao can work, but you will most likely have to sacrifice the last M7 turn inside Robin's ult in wave 1. Also the spd range for M7 will be very tight as well.
I like the commentary edit, easier to read
7:47 This music reminds me of your very first hoolay 0-cycle video (using the same comp but 2 cost), which decided me to pull this legendary dps character
I did this fight with the same characters in 0 cycles as well from scratch, only I'm 7 cost with them on my account so it was done in a bit of a different way. It's interesting to see all the things you did differently to accommodate the team's low cost. Very brilliantly done. You come up with some really cool rotations. ♥
That backsound...
Yes... I love it 🔥
yeah, always cooked too good, good job man. you're literally the goat
That notorious 3-Robin-ult strat 😮🩵
This boss feels like a puzzle, I really like it.
Truly the dps of all time
Insane strat! I've started to farm eagle domain two months ago with moderate results. Sad that i started so late!
Btw, sorry for the off topic, but who do you think offers more value between new 2.7/3.0 characters? I can afford three limited characters/lc's and i'm torn.
Fugue E0 then w8 Herta kit
@HoS_1412 Thank you 😊
insane run, gj!
aozaki touko back at it again, this is peak turn-based gameplay
Always love when DW theme plays in your vids. Have you tried the demo yet
Amazing!!! But why you didn't use Sunday? Because of Robin's advance?
E2 Bronya is better in this team anyways, and Sunday isnt out yet, this clear is in live server
this is crazy
Strongest dps
bold of you to assume i can even make it to moc 12.
march being in more showcases than blade is hilarious
Bro obliterates everything
holy bananas!
Feixiao’s sand bag :❎
HoS’s sand bag :✅
Me be like
6:36 " 75% HP left, there is no way"
8:28 " NO WAY"
Btw what the lowest cost acheron need to 0cycle this boss? 3 cost?
6:36 literally a full concerto left + 8 stacks on feixiao, what are you even talking about
Currently it's 3 with heavy HEAVY RNG, but I think there is an even more slight chance it could be done using 2 with a certain comp.
@@_JoeVerI'm just a casual player, in my eyes AA from Robin won't be enough to finish 75% HP left (I mean, you can see after feixio's turn after robin's AA is outside 0 cycle) .
I didn't expect turn manipulation from Eagle Set and DDD could be that crazy
@@HoS_1412oh thx
Will this work with Sunday instead of Bronya?
Need to adjust the first rotation
@HoS_1412 thanks for reply, I am quite new to honkai and was wondering if I'm missing out on much if I don't have Bronya but am planning on pulling Sunday
Incredible run, you somehow did even better than your removed video from earlier. The knowledge about the way the tv boss works will be very helpful, I’ll be attempting this when it releases for me as well. Keep up the great work.
On a side note, how much of an upgrade is Sunday really for this team? (Not asking in the context of should I pull or not, just curious since his ult seems like it would be a bit awkward for this team) Could he replace bronya and the robin eidolons? I’d imagine not since Robin e1 is like a 30% raw increase against non matching or something I believe.
Interchangeble with e1 bron. Worse than e2 bron. Not a chance reducing the cost with him.
rappa could never
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nevermind.
Rise and shine, she did
im impressed but is looks like a hassle so i just go boom boom with acheron
its been awhile, can anyone explain to me why march is commonly used when topaz (by said community) agreed being better support?
Cuz march's better for 0 cycle and topaz's better for casual
nah u are the goat
Peak
Wait, so if you uly between tv and clock actions they repeat their first action????
@@AdrasAdraki yes
I still can't remember all the mechs of 5 tv =((
How to upgrade this team aside E1 robin? Since one of them is standard and other one is maxed Eidolons 4* E2 FX is the only way?
W8 for M7 promax
@@HoS_1412 don't give Hoyo weird idea 🤣
@43z24 just get their signatures then lol
Btw how much bronya e1 needs to trigger in to achive this run?
Take the number in this run, minus 1 (if M7 didn't have to use her last ult before Bron)
What team did you use on Node 1?
@@kirarrriii FF
what's the minimum cost for Rappa to 0 cycle Banacademic? with or without sustain
Currently both are the same. LS is needed. 5 cost. Until SHE comes.
@@HoS_1412 stares
What if i had unlocked e2 bronya? Can i still doing this?
yes
Wait why did the tv gives 2 energy instead of 1, i thought they give one and immediately turn to their angy face hmm
Apparently that's how they function.
If you attack them between first and second action, for some reason they will give energy again in their second action.
is this possible without E1 Robin? What would be the alternatives
Having FX LC
feix lc and e2 bronya to even out
Man I'm happy as long as I can auto this boss in 3 turn,
But this run is definitely something else
Does sonday can pull this off like bronya?
Knowing that she can't action advance Robin,
Need Fei LC.
@HoS_1412 so I just need more damage on Feixiao?
Okok, thanks mate
@@HoS_1412 wow, so bronya > sunday confirmed?😮
@@_JoeVer only for Fei
If Jesus lived today this would be one of his miracles
TERRASPLIT
xolze telos who?
Ora manuk akal
Does using march's ult on the 1st TV at 7:30 give another 50% action advance?
Yes
What build changes do I have to do with E3 Bronya?
0 spd or 2 spd Feixiao. 0 spd Feixiao most of the time will result in M7 last turn in wave 1 outside Robin's ult, but atk boot Fei can compensate that. However, the spd range for M7'll be heavily limited.
@ Thanks! I was able to 0-cycle it on the very first try lol. My Feixiao is not on Eagle set but she is E2 so I didn’t have any problems with ult stacking
Considering fraud telos running suspiciously hidden eidolons on his so called "2 cost runs" is embarrassing compared to this masterpiece 😂
'hidden eidolons' is a crazy statment lol
Can you post an acheron zero cycle with the same enemy? Amazing cook btw.
The acheron run is very straighforward and ez to think of, so I don't feel like doing it. You basically use 1 ult for each phase and done. If trying to low cost, malding the TV rng. I'm sure there'll be many people who do it.
Is this possible without E1 Robin?
need at least e2 bron, s5 poised to bloom and good stat, even with all of that, it's not guaranteed. Adding Fei LC is guaranteed.
@ I asked Lisara about this and she said E1 Robin made this run possible
@@kirarrriii True, you need E1 Robin if you're to drop all of their signatures. Without E1 Robin, you need Fei LC and Robin LC to 0 cycle this.
this is so fucked XD
I'll take that as a compliment :v
Ehh, ofc it's always 4pcs eagles set, and fei is on life support, one wrong rng and you have to reset
Suprisingly, between 3 candidates for low cost: Ache, Rappa, Fei, Fei has the least amount of RNG with the least damage substats requirement. Her getting targeted twice by the bonking elite is very bad RNG.
HoS with his bullshit relics again. Good game