@@Real11BangBang it shoots fine with just about any powder charge, the only thing that changes is the point of aim. If I’m shooting at 50 yards or under I’ll use 40-50gr depending on the target and up my charge for longer range. I use 80gr when I’m shooting at 200 yards and I have to aim right at the top of the target.
I built a left handed .32 caliber Tennessee Mountain Rifle using a DeHass barrel and a Siler lock and it will shoot into one hole all day long at 25 yards. It is my go to rifle for squirrel hunting. I can't tell you how long it's been since I've used a .22 to hunt squirrels or rabbits, at least 25 years. People just don't know what they're missing not hunting with a flintlock!
Saweet!...Had me a Tennessee Mtn rifle back in '89' .36 cal as well...nice shooter and pretty as a picture she was!...only difference was the curly maple stock with a flare at the muzzle...thanks for taking me back in time amigo!...woods
I too have a Kibler SMR in .36 cal, along with one in .45 cal. Both are great shooting rifles. I received my Woodsrunner on Kiblers first shipment. It is a .54 cal and hopefully will be my main big game gun. It is all finished and ready to shoot now. I completed it this weekend. What I am going to do today is shoot it in. Hopefully it shoots as good as my SMR's and my .54 Colonial do. Big weight differance in the Colonial and the Woodseunner. Colonial is 9lb. 6oz. and the Woodsrunner is 7lb. 5oz. The Woodsrunner is way easier to put together than the SMR's. Jim has everything done except assembly. Little to no fitting. You will love yours.
lol if you cant tell aside frome the patchbox i tried to make this one look like yours. i was concerned tthe wood was not dark enough but sure darkened up after a few months
i got a 32 caliber in this kibler coming. Not sure if i will shoot it yet, mainly bought it to build and hang on the wall. Yours looks like fun to shoot. i may have to try that.
@Nick Well I don't know Nick. It is possible. I have lets see ... 5 flint lock musket rifles and pistol. One is built from kit that flashes right away, my Indian Brown Bess and one Hawken style, ok a slab of ham but it WOULD fire before you apply the mustard. I also have a Blunderbus with a 25lb or so trigger that needs a LOT of time to flash... I am not unfamiliar with how it is done, and all of these I purchased used. I can tell craftsmanship and Ethan's rifle screams it. Mine, do not
@Nick Don't know why but my reply disappeared. Not sure what I might be doing wrong, I have lets see, 5 Flintlocks: a Brown Bess, a Hawken style, a pistol a left hand lock rifle and a Blunderbuss. the Brown Bess is Indian and so is the Hawken I am not sure of the others. All were purchased used. The flints I use are ones I found that were knapped during the Napoleonic Peninsular campaign. for powder I mostly use Goex though I have made my own powder. The Brown Bess and the Hawken have a good half second lock time. the Blunderbuss as a +20-25lb trigger and judging the lock time is difficult after pulling such a hard trigger. If I am doing something wrong please let me know
I had a thought today. Ever try firing a foster slug from one of the smooth bores? During the Crimean War a round was developed for smooth bore muskets called the Nessler Ball that looks very similar to a foster slug. The only real difference was the Nessler Ball was smooth aka it didn't have the rifling groves that Foster Slugs have.
We've got something that looks kind of similar to that it's supposed to be like a mini ball but doesn't have the grease grooves and is a little more flat nosed
I love my smr in .40! I kinda just freehanded it, so there are a few minor mistakes. Still love it though, it shoots under three moa at 50 yards for me.
Nice shooting. Offhand 100 yards with something like this is very good shooting. The way I shake nowadays, I try to hide behind a shotgun, lol. Well, I still have some good days, even though I've come to appreciate a bi-pod or some sort of shooting stick. I may have to take a look at that rifle, it looks great and shoots real nice. God bless.
Just found you, enjoying the content. I love my Kibler Colonial. Now I'm looking at another. Was debating between the Woodsrunner or the SMR, the woodsrunner would be lighter than my Colonial, but the SMR would be so economical to shoot and that's part of my draw to the flinters. With the difficulty of primers/caps and even powder, the economics of flintlocks are hard to beat. Looking forward to videos on the Woodsrunner
Ive been thinking about one of their guns since I have watched Everything BP. He has also used one. Now you've confirmed I should invest in one. They are actually not too far from where I live and the cost for the kit isn't that bad. The biggest question is........ Which one do I get?? Great vid as usual, by the way.👍
I absolutely love mine! I got mine in .40 as that is the smallest legal caliber to hunt deer with here in VA but it's also small enough to be able to shoot a lot without burning up the powder stash.
Ever take apart a Roman candle? I had a bright idea of packing the little balls that light up different colours down the barrel of my smoothbore harpers ferry to see what happens lol, 🎉
At least you're not reviewing a Pedersoli. I've bought four Traditions. Triggers, and locks worked smooth out of the box. Paid $1000 for a Pedersoli Scout. I couldn't pull the trigger.. still can't without setting the set trigger. Why does it rattle back and forth in the stock? Why was the brass all mucked up? Why was all the brass just mucked up with brown not patina, but looked corroded? I didn't know I was buying a kit, or project. The score for me of 5 examples. Traditions 4. Pedersoli -1.
Great video Ethan! Two questions; is that little black and tan gonna be runnin' coons and where'd you find the forest you were walkin' through? ? lolol Great video and great rifle. TC
Something Im dreaming of. A rifle kit from Kibler´s Longrifles. Im just too afraid that I would f. it up. Too dusty environment for a proper finish. Gaps when fitting the parts etc. Do you have to file the doevetail for the korn on the barrel or is this already done?
it is already done. this is a very simple kit to put together almost no wood work is required anymore outside of staining. the only metal work that needs done is fileing off the casting sprues
I too want buy a kibler southern mountain rifle kit. I've looked into them he has what seems to be the easiest and best designed kit available. Most all fitting is done . Just mainly finish work and fellows personal touch.
@@larryalexander4833 I asked Jim Kibler here on YT which one is the most beginner friendly and he told me its the Woodsrunner kit. Im still not sure which one to choose (when I have the money in a year or so...) The southern mountain kit is technically interesting for its double set trigger. But the other two models look better imo. A double set trigger is usefull but looks odd. I just dont know yet. And it definitely will be a 45 cal. Not too weak, not a powder waster either.
@@corneliussulla9963 I'm from upper most part of SC so I'm kinda drawn to the southern mountain rifle from my heritage from the area. Like the plain steel look also . Only thing wish the barrel was slightly shorter . But not a issue
3 questions, one probably a stupid one 1: what’s your opinion on Veteran arms 2: why is it so difficult to find muzzleloaders right now online 3: can you shoot a smaller ball in a bigger bore (.50 in a .62 cal musket) If you take the time for any of these, thanks. I’m new to the sport
Okay here we go Answer #1 I haven't bought anything from Veteran arms yet so I don't really have an opinion on them however in the near future I would really like to get a Spanish model 1757 musket from them. Answer # 2 Depends on where you're looking you can still kind of find them however I do believe that the demand for Indian made muskets has been driven up due to people actually shooting the guns and busting the myths of them blowing up. Answer #3 Yes in a pinch you can shoot much smaller balls out of bigger bores however you will lose a lot of accuracy and power due to all of the escaping gases around the ball typically in history you will find that militaries would go not much more than 5 calibers smaller than the bore the musket. But if you're just out plinking and having fun yes you can shoot .50 balls through .62 you just probably won't be able to hit anything LOL I would suggest if you got a 62 caliber musket to go to Lee precision and get a 0.600 ball mold and a melting pot you will save A LOT of money in the long run. I hope this answered your questions.
I think a .36 roundball wouldn't do too much damage to a squirrel. I popped a gray squirrel with my Smith & Wesson Model 39 9mm with a FMJ a few years back, and it put a nice hole in and a nice hole on the opposite side behind the shoulder. I've seen .22 Mag & .17 H & R Mag do more damage to a squirrel than that.
Damn you guys. Since days Im thinking of nothing else but a Kibler kit. "Which one?", "I dont have the money right now. How long till I have it?", "What else will I need? A powder horn and..."
@@Real11BangBang Sooner or later. I like the Colonial for its looks. But a user on a Polish blackpowder forum told me that a double set trigger makes sense even on a flintlock rifle with its delayed ignition. Therefore I will probably also go with the Southern mountain rifle. I understood that correctly that its the only kit with this trigger? Because I have seen pictures of the Colonial model with double set trigger. But this might be some custom work or so.
@@Real11BangBang Btw Do you know what the total lenght of the rifle is? Because Im looking for a riflecase and this would be probably the longest gun I will ever have.
the stock is simply cherry wood with about 10 coats of lin seed oil. the barrel was antiqued using blackie Thomas antiquing method check his video on antiquing a model 1860 army
With all the features being near identical for the Type, what is the difference between a Tennessee Mountain Rifle, Eastern Mountain Rifle, and now, a Southern Mountain Rifle? I'm aware of the production and lineage of this type ( a locally made, indigenous materials, no frills working man's gun), but everyone calls them something different. Are all the terms interchangeable and correct, since, strictly speaking, there are no blueprints or "factory" specs on them going way back to the 1820's when earlier fancier rifles were wearing out or being converted. Just curious, as I have an early Dixie Gunworks (Miroku) Tennessee Mountain Rifle in .50. Pretty much identical except it's a caplock.
I do like Jim's quality. However I wish he would not put a Hawkins into his lineup. Hawkin builders are a dime a dozen. Instead I have offered up to him my What would Ashley do build that I can't see well enough to do myself. The later hawkin is more relevant to the Oregon and mormon trail than anything to do with the rocky mountain fur trade. Also Jacob and Samuel was trained in the east long before san Louis. See if brother Garrett remembers what the what would Ashley do build is and based off of, as a gave him a quick sanopsious of my vision. Great work as always. Mountain man
@@Real11BangBang ok as a man who has experienced the Rockies on horse back for thousands of miles with Bertha in all her glory and mishaps. Knowing the variety of game, the size and verocity of predators. 4 and 2 legged. Add to the confinements of a keel boat as well. This based on my experiences and surely Ashley and Henry had to have known what lie ahead of an expedition of the first 100, and had his financial backing. Here is what I would walk into a shop in 1820 and ask for. A cross between a 1803 Harpers ferry, jaeger, and an early Hawkin. The Harpers for larger robust military lock The Jaeger for heft of barrel to wood. Transitional hawkin for the line and drop of comb. A barrel length no longer than 26" for ease of maneuverability rather it be a keel boat or a horse back the thickest willow bottom, or lodge pole stand. A 3/4 length stock. Starting first with my choice in caliber. 62, .58 .54. Now for the last but not least details. Self retaining wedge pins. As there nothing a 20 mile back trail to find out you lost a pin somewhere along the way. So much so that extra wedge pins was as common as shoe nails in my saddlebags. Finally a optitonal matching smoothbore drop in barrel. .62/20ga, .58/24 ga, and .54/28 ga. One gun to cover everything from the smallest camp meat to the largest brown bear. The extra barrel is much easier to conceal in pack, and less likely to be the target of theft by locals looking to obtain a gun. After all of that I hope it is all coherent and voice to text can be odd sometimes
not the best. this gun is .36 and is good for anything from squirrel to coyotes. it basically has the ballistics of a modern 9mm fired from a 10" barrel. for deer i personally wouldnt use anything under .45 when using round ball.
I know I'm 9 months late, but I would not use a 36 for deer. Your ball only weighs about 64 grains, way too light for deer. I would use a 45 caliber with a .440-.445 ball minimum. There are a few guys who use 40's, but that caliber is a bit light as well, and is not legal in many states.
Where do you buy replicas like these such as muskets, flintlocks , and revolvers, etc? I cannot seem to find websites to buy the tools and weapons themselves.
Nice review! I own two Jim Kibler Colonials and have ordered a Woodsrunner. Been re-enacting since 1974. Sorry but your hunting shirt is now considered wrong. They used pullover wagoners/ farmer's frocks (without cape) or "split front" hunting shirts that had the cape.
@@Real11BangBang thats fun stuff isn't it. Back in the day late 70s early 80s my friend and I had a couple of Dixie Gun Works squirrel rifles. Mine was the 36 his was a 32 we'd get on the firing line at the forest service shooting range and pop soda cans at a100. The modern Shooters would complain that they couldn't see through their scopes. My first shooting experiences with a flintlock rifle.
@@Real11BangBang how that Mexican soldier knew it was Crockett playing the violin, from that distance, is beyond me but it's still one of the best parts of the movie.
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Looks like a great rifle, nice finish and a real fine shooter! Thanks for sharing.
thanks for watching
That’s some darn fine shootin, Ethan. People still tell me that my SMR should be a good squirrel gun!
lol yes i wonder how that 45 of yours shoots with like 30 grains?
@@Real11BangBang it shoots fine with just about any powder charge, the only thing that changes is the point of aim. If I’m shooting at 50 yards or under I’ll use 40-50gr depending on the target and up my charge for longer range. I use 80gr when I’m shooting at 200 yards and I have to aim right at the top of the target.
I built a left handed .32 caliber Tennessee Mountain Rifle using a DeHass barrel and a Siler lock and it will shoot into one hole all day long at 25 yards. It is my go to rifle for squirrel hunting. I can't tell you how long it's been since I've used a .22 to hunt squirrels or rabbits, at least 25 years. People just don't know what they're missing not hunting with a flintlock!
have to agree there is just somthing about it
I also have a left handed .32cal squirrel rifle it has a rice barrel , I love it, Sold all my .22s but kept the Flintlock
Saweet!...Had me a Tennessee Mtn rifle back in '89' .36 cal as well...nice shooter and pretty as a picture she was!...only difference was the curly maple stock with a flare at the muzzle...thanks for taking me back in time amigo!...woods
oh yeah 36 is great plinking round
Those kibler flintlocks are so impressive. Colt looks like he is going to be a very good hunting buddy.
i think he is gona l9ve hunting if it means he gets some attention
@@Real11BangBang lol yeah
Great intro of the music from the Alamo that’s one of my favorite scenes
absolutely one of ours as well
That's such a fantastic rifle. I'm sure your birthday one will be as well. Caleb is a fine and generous man!
I too have a Kibler SMR in .36 cal, along with one in .45 cal. Both are great shooting rifles. I received my Woodsrunner on Kiblers first shipment. It is a .54 cal and hopefully will be my main big game gun. It is all finished and ready to shoot now. I completed it this weekend. What I am going to do today is shoot it in. Hopefully it shoots as good as my SMR's and my .54 Colonial do. Big weight differance in the Colonial and the Woodseunner. Colonial is 9lb. 6oz. and the Woodsrunner is 7lb. 5oz. The Woodsrunner is way easier to put together than the SMR's. Jim has everything done except assembly. Little to no fitting. You will love yours.
Is the .36 the smallest of the southern rifle?
No they have one in 32
I love the channel, and a great video. With that beautiful rifle you're the King of the Wild Frontier. Thank you for sharing.
lol thankyou
Nice! Thanks for sharing. I love my Kibler.
lol if you cant tell aside frome the patchbox i tried to make this one look like yours. i was concerned tthe wood was not dark enough but sure darkened up after a few months
Okay you talked me into it I'm buying one in 50cal.
Please make few shots on paper target! I need more information about this rifle. Thanks in advance!
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i got a 32 caliber in this kibler coming. Not sure if i will shoot it yet, mainly bought it to build and hang on the wall. Yours looks like fun to shoot. i may have to try that.
oh they are a blast to shoot
I must say: 11bangbang has the coolest intros of any channel. Also Ethan has some way cool outfits. The lock timing on that Kibler is awesome.
oh yeah they say they are timed so well you can shoot them upside-down lol we will have give that a try someday
@@Real11BangBang I too have shot Indian muskets. From trigger pull to flash is enough time to make a ham sandwich.
@Nick Well I don't know Nick. It is possible. I have lets see ... 5 flint lock musket rifles and pistol. One is built from kit that flashes right away, my Indian Brown Bess and one Hawken style, ok a slab of ham but it WOULD fire before you apply the mustard. I also have a Blunderbus with a 25lb or so trigger that needs a LOT of time to flash... I am not unfamiliar with how it is done, and all of these I purchased used. I can tell craftsmanship and Ethan's rifle screams it. Mine, do not
@Nick Don't know why but my reply disappeared. Not sure what I might be doing wrong, I have lets see, 5 Flintlocks: a Brown Bess, a Hawken style, a pistol a left hand lock rifle and a Blunderbuss. the Brown Bess is Indian and so is the Hawken I am not sure of the others. All were purchased used. The flints I use are ones I found that were knapped during the Napoleonic Peninsular campaign. for powder I mostly use Goex though I have made my own powder. The Brown Bess and the Hawken have a good half second lock time. the Blunderbuss as a +20-25lb trigger and judging the lock time is difficult after pulling such a hard trigger. If I am doing something wrong please let me know
I had a thought today. Ever try firing a foster slug from one of the smooth bores? During the Crimean War a round was developed for smooth bore muskets called the Nessler Ball that looks very similar to a foster slug. The only real difference was the Nessler Ball was smooth aka it didn't have the rifling groves that Foster Slugs have.
We've got something that looks kind of similar to that it's supposed to be like a mini ball but doesn't have the grease grooves and is a little more flat nosed
Beautiful production quality as always
Much appreciated!
A Lovely rifle 11BB! Thanks for sharing and Many Blessings! Shoot on shootin on! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
thankyou very much
Great shot at the end 9:11
Thank you
I love my smr in .40! I kinda just freehanded it, so there are a few minor mistakes.
Still love it though, it shoots under three moa at 50 yards for me.
Nice shooting. Offhand 100 yards with something like this is very good shooting. The way I shake nowadays, I try to hide behind a shotgun, lol. Well, I still have some good days, even though I've come to appreciate a bi-pod or some sort of shooting stick. I may have to take a look at that rifle, it looks great and shoots real nice. God bless.
Just found you, enjoying the content. I love my Kibler Colonial. Now I'm looking at another. Was debating between the Woodsrunner or the SMR, the woodsrunner would be lighter than my Colonial, but the SMR would be so economical to shoot and that's part of my draw to the flinters. With the difficulty of primers/caps and even powder, the economics of flintlocks are hard to beat. Looking forward to videos on the Woodsrunner
hopefully soon
Ive been thinking about one of their guns since I have watched Everything BP. He has also used one. Now you've confirmed I should invest in one. They are actually not too far from where I live and the cost for the kit isn't that bad. The biggest question is........ Which one do I get?? Great vid as usual, by the way.👍
thank you. well i dont know about the others but we sure give the southern mountain rifle a thumbs up
I absolutely love mine! I got mine in .40 as that is the smallest legal caliber to hunt deer with here in VA but it's also small enough to be able to shoot a lot without burning up the powder stash.
I enjoy my Colonial! You really can't go wrong with a Kibler... I'm looking to get another one (different model)
That's an attractive gun, for sure. Sure looks fun to shoot.
yeah.... i think you should do flintlocks in the old west!
@@Real11BangBang Sure!
Ever take apart a Roman candle? I had a bright idea of packing the little balls that light up different colours down the barrel of my smoothbore harpers ferry to see what happens lol, 🎉
lol that could be fun! we have tried this though th-cam.com/video/bb4vZ8ZS7W4/w-d-xo.html
@@Real11BangBang right on lol, kinda what I had in mind but not quite, it would be nice to see more experimentation
Nice
At least you're not reviewing a Pedersoli. I've bought four Traditions. Triggers, and locks worked smooth out of the box. Paid $1000 for a Pedersoli Scout. I couldn't pull the trigger.. still can't without setting the set trigger. Why does it rattle back and forth in the stock? Why was the brass all mucked up? Why was all the brass just mucked up with brown not patina, but looked corroded? I didn't know I was buying a kit, or project.
The score for me of 5 examples. Traditions 4. Pedersoli -1.
Es genial ver en funcionamiento esas hermosas carabinas son de mis favoritas saludos
Great video Ethan! Two questions; is that little black and tan gonna be runnin' coons and where'd you find the forest you were walkin' through? ? lolol
Great video and great rifle.
TC
1st question yes. second question that is our one shelter belt lol its only about 3 trees deep
Alaska had some flintlocks in use way into after 1900 and also Switzerland
this is true
We actually have an Alaskan trade flintlock we need to do a video on.
Something Im dreaming of. A rifle kit from Kibler´s Longrifles. Im just too afraid that I would f. it up. Too dusty environment for a proper finish. Gaps when fitting the parts etc.
Do you have to file the doevetail for the korn on the barrel or is this already done?
it is already done. this is a very simple kit to put together almost no wood work is required anymore outside of staining. the only metal work that needs done is fileing off the casting sprues
@@Real11BangBang Thanks!
I too want buy a kibler southern mountain rifle kit. I've looked into them he has what seems to be the easiest and best designed kit available. Most all fitting is done . Just mainly finish work and fellows personal touch.
@@larryalexander4833 I asked Jim Kibler here on YT which one is the most beginner friendly and he told me its the Woodsrunner kit. Im still not sure which one to choose (when I have the money in a year or so...) The southern mountain kit is technically interesting for its double set trigger. But the other two models look better imo. A double set trigger is usefull but looks odd. I just dont know yet.
And it definitely will be a 45 cal. Not too weak, not a powder waster either.
@@corneliussulla9963 I'm from upper most part of SC so I'm kinda drawn to the southern mountain rifle from my heritage from the area. Like the plain steel look also . Only thing wish the barrel was slightly shorter . But not a issue
The clothes make the man. Yours are impressive. Can you please share where you got them? Many thanks. Luv the video!!
these are from townsends the hat is just an old felt that i steamed the shape out of and made floppy
What a cutie
I'm slowly building a Kibler SMR myself. Did you polish the metal by hand or did you expedite it with something?
i just used sand paper 120-600 grit i never did draw file it.
Love the Davy Crockett music from The Alamo to go with this video.
very good! you were the only one that caught that so far
3 questions, one probably a stupid one
1: what’s your opinion on Veteran arms
2: why is it so difficult to find muzzleloaders right now online
3: can you shoot a smaller ball in a bigger bore (.50 in a .62 cal musket)
If you take the time for any of these, thanks. I’m new to the sport
Okay here we go
Answer #1
I haven't bought anything from Veteran arms yet so I don't really have an opinion on them however in the near future I would really like to get a Spanish model 1757 musket from them.
Answer # 2
Depends on where you're looking you can still kind of find them however I do believe that the demand for Indian made muskets has been driven up due to people actually shooting the guns and busting the myths of them blowing up.
Answer #3
Yes in a pinch you can shoot much smaller balls out of bigger bores however you will lose a lot of accuracy and power due to all of the escaping gases around the ball typically in history you will find that militaries would go not much more than 5 calibers smaller than the bore the musket. But if you're just out plinking and having fun yes you can shoot .50 balls through .62 you just probably won't be able to hit anything LOL
I would suggest if you got a 62 caliber musket to go to Lee precision and get a 0.600 ball mold and a melting pot you will save A LOT of money in the long run.
I hope this answered your questions.
@@Real11BangBang perfect, thanks a bunch!
Thanks for another video. Thinking about a Kibler for myself. Where did you get the shirt?
Glad you enjoyed it as for the shirt it's from Townsends
@@Real11BangBang Thanks a lot
I ordered one in the 45 cal. In cherry wood. Yours looks like cherry. How did you finish it?
I believe Garrett used boiled linseed oil but I'm not 100% sure
I think a .36 roundball wouldn't do too much damage to a squirrel. I popped a gray squirrel with my Smith & Wesson Model 39 9mm with a FMJ a few years back, and it put a nice hole in and a nice hole on the opposite side behind the shoulder. I've seen .22 Mag & .17 H & R Mag do more damage to a squirrel than that.
Kibler kits are the best although expensive for a plain jane rifle.
Damn you guys. Since days Im thinking of nothing else but a Kibler kit.
"Which one?", "I dont have the money right now. How long till I have it?", "What else will I need? A powder horn and..."
lol you need it all!
@@Real11BangBang Sooner or later. I like the Colonial for its looks. But a user on a Polish blackpowder forum told me that a double set trigger makes sense even on a flintlock rifle with its delayed ignition. Therefore I will probably also go with the Southern mountain rifle. I understood that correctly that its the only kit with this trigger? Because I have seen pictures of the Colonial model with double set trigger. But this might be some custom work or so.
@@Real11BangBang
Btw
Do you know what the total lenght of the rifle is? Because Im looking for a riflecase and this would be probably the longest gun I will ever have.
Great video's guy's. Planning on the same rifle myself. If I may, how did u finish stock and metals. Thanks.
the stock is simply cherry wood with about 10 coats of lin seed oil. the barrel was antiqued using blackie Thomas antiquing method check his video on antiquing a model 1860 army
With all the features being near identical for the Type, what is the difference between a Tennessee Mountain Rifle, Eastern Mountain Rifle, and now, a Southern Mountain Rifle?
I'm aware of the production and lineage of this type ( a locally made, indigenous materials, no frills working man's gun), but everyone calls them something different. Are all the terms interchangeable and correct, since, strictly speaking, there are no blueprints or "factory" specs on them going way back to the 1820's when earlier fancier rifles were wearing out or being converted.
Just curious, as I have an early Dixie Gunworks (Miroku) Tennessee Mountain Rifle in .50. Pretty much identical except it's a caplock.
There are several different schools I guess but mostly I think the southern mountain if from the maker whitman
@@Real11BangBang Okay
You build it then from his kit? You need the Colonial now...
it is on its way along with the woods runner
I do like Jim's quality. However I wish he would not put a Hawkins into his lineup. Hawkin builders are a dime a dozen. Instead I have offered up to him my What would Ashley do build that I can't see well enough to do myself. The later hawkin is more relevant to the Oregon and mormon trail than anything to do with the rocky mountain fur trade. Also Jacob and Samuel was trained in the east long before san Louis. See if brother Garrett remembers what the what would Ashley do build is and based off of, as a gave him a quick sanopsious of my vision. Great work as always.
Mountain man
I think a early full stock Hawken kit would be cool. But I do like your idea of a WWAD.
this is garrett i remember you mentioning it in a live chat but it sliped my mind remind me again what would Ashley do?
@@Real11BangBang ok as a man who has experienced the Rockies on horse back for thousands of miles with Bertha in all her glory and mishaps. Knowing the variety of game, the size and verocity of predators. 4 and 2 legged. Add to the confinements of a keel boat as well. This based on my experiences and surely Ashley and Henry had to have known what lie ahead of an expedition of the first 100, and had his financial backing. Here is what I would walk into a shop in 1820 and ask for. A cross between a 1803 Harpers ferry, jaeger, and an early Hawkin.
The Harpers for larger robust military lock
The Jaeger for heft of barrel to wood.
Transitional hawkin for the line and drop of comb.
A barrel length no longer than 26" for ease of maneuverability rather it be a keel boat or a horse back the thickest willow bottom, or lodge pole stand. A 3/4 length stock. Starting first with my choice in caliber. 62, .58 .54.
Now for the last but not least details.
Self retaining wedge pins. As there nothing a 20 mile back trail to find out you lost a pin somewhere along the way. So much so that extra wedge pins was as common as shoe nails in my saddlebags.
Finally a optitonal matching smoothbore drop in barrel.
.62/20ga, .58/24 ga, and .54/28 ga.
One gun to cover everything from the smallest camp meat to the largest brown bear. The extra barrel is much easier to conceal in pack, and less likely to be the target of theft by locals looking to obtain a gun.
After all of that I hope it is all coherent and voice to text can be odd sometimes
Hawken, no “I.” There is a Kibler Hawken in the works
So what kind of penetrating power does a .36 cal have for deer hunting ? 😮
not the best. this gun is .36 and is good for anything from squirrel to coyotes. it basically has the ballistics of a modern 9mm fired from a 10" barrel. for deer i personally wouldnt use anything under .45 when using round ball.
I know I'm 9 months late, but I would not use a 36 for deer. Your ball only weighs about 64 grains, way too light for deer. I would use a 45 caliber with a .440-.445 ball minimum. There are a few guys who use 40's, but that caliber is a bit light as well, and is not legal in many states.
They call 32 and 36 caliber rifles the 22 of their era because they were small bore guns used often to hunt small game
balletically, it is a cross between .35-30 Maynard & .32-20 Winchester.
yes pretty much. nearest i can compare it to is a 9mm outa a 10 " barrel
Where do you buy replicas like these such as muskets, flintlocks , and revolvers, etc? I cannot seem to find websites to buy the tools and weapons themselves.
the muskets we get from military Heritage. this particular rifle is one we built from a kit. you can get the kit from kiblers long rifles
@@Real11BangBang thank you
@@Real11BangBang Could you link military heritage I can not find it for some reason that would be appreciated
Are you in Utha ?
kansas
Good shootin!
thankyou
Your dog wants to go hunting.
lol yeah hes like hey you keep shooting but i dont see no raccoons falling
I'd compare my .32 with a .22WMR.
It does a LOT more damage than any .22 Rf I've ever shot. .36 likely about like .22 hornet but not so flat shooting.
i think your about right
Nice review! I own two Jim Kibler Colonials and have ordered a Woodsrunner. Been re-enacting since 1974. Sorry but your hunting shirt is now considered wrong. They used pullover wagoners/ farmer's frocks (without cape) or "split front" hunting shirts that had the cape.
thanks for the info
Is the south mountain gun avail in 45?
yes it is
Well that settles it, gotta get all the pennies out of my cupholders and order one of these
you wont be sorry
Where did you get the coon dog
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we raise them lol not the easiest hobby
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I use to have one great companion even in the mountains just had to keep her on ableash,we are in northern New Mexico
Are you guys breeders?
If you up that Potter charge to about 50 you're going to make that hundred
we did shoot out to 300 with 80 grains in one of our short videos
@@Real11BangBang thats fun stuff isn't it. Back in the day late 70s early 80s my friend and I had a couple of Dixie Gun Works squirrel rifles. Mine was the 36 his was a 32 we'd get on the firing line at the forest service shooting range and pop soda cans at a100. The modern Shooters would complain that they couldn't see through their scopes. My first shooting experiences with a flintlock rifle.
.........."Crockett"........
..... for congress......
@@Real11BangBang how that Mexican soldier knew it was Crockett playing the violin, from that distance, is beyond me but it's still one of the best parts of the movie.
@@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike absolutely the most powerful moment in the movie
Welcome to the frontier pilgrim, today I'm going to show you how to commit warcrimes on the frontier.
What the hell is it with music
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Sure would be nice to hear what you're saying without that annoying, unneeded music.
always going to be there
Got to have one
yes you do
Do you have a space on Instagram or mewe?
not at the moment