I have a request for the Christmas episode (if there is going to be one). How does Santa deliver presents in countries with aerial denial systems? Norad is able to track Santa so that suggests he doesn't use stealth but then how can he avoid surface to air radars? When he comes back up the chimney he must have a significant heat signature, how does he hide from IR sensors?
I know the Iron dome is on everyone's focus, but would be nice if you would do a video about David's Sling. Seems hard to find more details about the system my home country, Finland, just decided to purchase.
David’s Sling was a joint venture project between Israel and the USA. The US version is called Skyceptor and is built by Raytheon. Skyceptor has been integrated into Patriot as a much lower cost option than PAC3MSE interceptors. Skyceptor and David’s Sling are similar but not identical. The Israeli version has it’s own ground system different from Patriot.
@mikaelramsay2094 A video about David's Sling would be very welcome, as I agree that an in-depth video about that missile system either does not exist on TH-cam, or is hard to find.
Respect to you for tackling a subject with such sparce data and doing it justice. Would have been a miracle to get everything perfect first time. Hadn't appreciated the iff considerations with regard to the max range. Wondered why there would be one at all, but that makes sense.
* Iron Dome has EO seeker and its nose cone opens in flight. * 4-70 km is not the range of Iron Dome but the range of rockets intercepted by Iron Dome (it was increased to over 100 km). That means Iron Dome can intercept Grad, Uragan and Smerch type rockets. I left this comment under previous video about the Iron Dome 9 days ago.
what i think can also explain the weird trajectories that the interceptors takes is the fact that the fusing of the warheads needs to be in a front/rear aspect as the interceptor passes ALONGSIDE the incoming munition for the shrapnel to sufficiently destruct the warhead on the rocket as well as the airframe. That means depending on the trajectory of the rocket and the launch area of the tamir it needs to go out along a trajectory perpendicular to the flight path then make a hard turn towards the rocket to set up the intercept.
I think the system's decision to allocate one or two missiles could also be at leastbpartly ductated by the value of the target the incoming ordnance is predicted to hit. It might also take the likely size/terminal effects of the incoming ordnance into account.
Huge fan of ur channel. Learning that the Tamir can be and is reallocated in flight is a new fact i learned about a system I have done some research on in tye past
Thanks for the update. As a retired EE in the consumer space the software sophistication of Iron Dome and other systems you have covered is impressive. Especially so since if I understand correctly the US is still using floppies to launch ICBMs.
@@petersouthernboy6327 thats why they might actually work, but not where they are supposed to. Missiles is something the US is stuck in the last century....thats the issue.
Tupically, I'm not a "joiner" . That said, youre channel mysteriously fell into my subscription list. That rubs me raw. However, let me say i have not deleted thar subscription. Youre just an amazing fountain of knowledge and I respect that. I also have to be honest, i dont scroll through the list. Its a bit overwhelming and i am hesitant to go down that rabbit hole. Happily, the algorithm keeps leaving gifts as a gentle reminder. One day i may just get caught up.
since you ask so insistently, Otis and I agree to a nice full-bodied live where we talk about the iron dome in every detail, and no... there's no need to say thank you for the green light at the aforementioned live 😂
CIWS stands for close-in weapon system for a reason the range for CIWS is extremely poor in terms of effective range the phalanx for example is only 1.6km You would need too many of them to deal with a saturation attack
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It falls down due to gravity. However, damage is much minimized for the following reasons: 1- Debris will fall short of the target area due to the reduced speed. 2- Warhead has probably either detonated or been rendered inoperable. 3- Debris spreads across a larger area. 4- Each piece has a lower amount of kinetic energy. 5- More energy is lost due to aerodynamic effects (greater surface area and drag coefficient while having lower mass).
It could mean that the tip of the missile is only an aerodynamic shell that gets jettisoned in flight, revealing the seeker head which may be optical after all.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech Yes, very puzzling. Maybe that clip with the detaching tip was of a different missile or a variant that they had in development
Regarding effective range of a missile. I am aware of at least one AA missile for which the published range is substantially shorter (factor of 2 to 3, depending on conditions) than the practical limit of effectiveness. Why publish inaccurate values? Maybe the manufacturer/user doesn’t want opponents to readily know the true capabilities of the weapons (let them find out by trial and error rather than hand it to them?).
If that's the case seems that the US will join the "fun" too, and it won't be "fun". Israel also has patriot batteries for longer range ballistic missiles.
@@ivoxx_ you will be deleted. Goat sheperds in Afghanistan showed how "strong" ununited snakes of analrica is. israhell is even worse. Bunch of cowards. djouws will pay for what they have done to the Lord✝️
Why does anyone talk about max range that way? (Well, other than trying to pad the numbers.) Distance to target at launch under perfect conditions is basically useless for answering any question about what the system can practically do. The only consideration that would even be remotely relevant to that I can think of is the question of how big a radar you should pair wit with.
IRON DOME👈old-style defense against old-style incoming ballistic-arc trajectory weapons (old-style rockets, mortars, etc) not counting old-style ballistic-arc trajectory artillery shell fire (which go too fast) not counting retrofitted old-style gravity-bombs with glide-kits (air-launched) was designed to defend a narrow airspace over a small region, like Israel, against very minimal threats from "permissive" places, like those in close vicinity neighborhood, with very limited military power not against opponents with massive firepower: from land/air/sea firepower which could attrite everything Israel has till its entire military, confined in such a small region, be fully De-Militarized especially, for opponents uninterested in a any land grab, but only interested in defensively destroying whatever Israel military forces has, as a regional USA-style endless warmongering threat to everyone around it
i am all but certain they are using iron dome missiles for ground attack in gaza. my best guess is they're using the second, otherwise unused interceptor when the first one successfully got it. my gut feeling is this is what happened in that controversial hospital parking lot strike. the warhead is just a small explosive to set off the rest of the propellant, right?
if you recall how there was a video of the rocket hitting the hospital from up close - the guy was likely filming the video because some rockets were launched from somewhat nearby to the hospital. i'm certain the thing that hit the parking lot was an iron dome missile used as counter battery after the rest were intercepted. it would make sense when you consider how it was mostly incendiary - they claim it was because the rocket just fell after it failed, but if you hear the sound the rocket made, it was for sure not just falling and going quite fast.
this isn't even to mention the fact that pretty much every bit of evidence they gave to make their case was either completely fabricated, conjecture or just not conclusive at all lol
Absurd a interceptor missile has a lot of complicated and expensive motors and electronics because it literally needs to steer itself to hit a bullet with a bullet. They also have extremely small amounts of explosives
@@xblade11230 yes but they clearly use the propellant to boost the explosive power. there is also a dedicated ground attack version and can be reassigned targets at any time. and, there’s no way the IDF would be morally opposed to using less accurate methods to strike gaza. they’ve said before they don’t care about accuracy too much.
@@octagonPerfectionist I don't think you understand a propellant is not a explosive any damage done by a propellant is minimal Explosives are categorized into propellants and high explosives A chemical is classified as a propellant because it is more useful at pushing things, than breaking things and a high explosive is useful at destroying things examples of high explosives are TNT, semtex , HMX, RDX , nitroglycerin etc... examples of propellants are gun powder, jet fuel etc... The key factor for a explosive is Brisance, brisance is what classifies a chemical as a propellant, or high explosive
This is way outside the scope of the IRS...this is for the FED to finance...or the bondholders..or, not to forget to mention my own problems... the ECB.
Can’t wait to see your 100k plaque.
I see it right now
Well done sir. I’ve watched you for years now. Every video has been enjoyable, informative and entertaining. One of the best creators
Ok. Great to see you again Sir. I continue to pray for your health.GBY.
I have a request for the Christmas episode (if there is going to be one). How does Santa deliver presents in countries with aerial denial systems? Norad is able to track Santa so that suggests he doesn't use stealth but then how can he avoid surface to air radars? When he comes back up the chimney he must have a significant heat signature, how does he hide from IR sensors?
I know the Iron dome is on everyone's focus, but would be nice if you would do a video about David's Sling. Seems hard to find more details about the system my home country, Finland, just decided to purchase.
Good luck getting anything from israel now.
David’s Sling was a joint venture project between Israel and the USA. The US version is called Skyceptor and is built by Raytheon. Skyceptor has been integrated into Patriot as a much lower cost option than PAC3MSE interceptors. Skyceptor and David’s Sling are similar but not identical. The Israeli version has it’s own ground system different from Patriot.
David’s Sling isn’t like THAAD, that role is taken by the Arrow system.
@mikaelramsay2094 A video about David's Sling would be very welcome, as I agree that an in-depth video about that missile system either does not exist on TH-cam, or is hard to find.
Respect to you for tackling a subject with such sparce data and doing it justice. Would have been a miracle to get everything perfect first time. Hadn't appreciated the iff considerations with regard to the max range. Wondered why there would be one at all, but that makes sense.
Thank you for the clarifications. Complex subject for sure.
The image of the Interceptor Missile shows the protective cover for the seeker being ejected, at least that is what I interpret
Thanks. I was dumbfounded thinking about what that would have been...
* Iron Dome has EO seeker and its nose cone opens in flight.
* 4-70 km is not the range of Iron Dome but the range of rockets intercepted by Iron Dome (it was increased to over 100 km). That means Iron Dome can intercept Grad, Uragan and Smerch type rockets.
I left this comment under previous video about the Iron Dome 9 days ago.
what i think can also explain the weird trajectories that the interceptors takes is the fact that the fusing of the warheads needs to be in a front/rear aspect as the interceptor passes ALONGSIDE the incoming munition for the shrapnel to sufficiently destruct the warhead on the rocket as well as the airframe. That means depending on the trajectory of the rocket and the launch area of the tamir it needs to go out along a trajectory perpendicular to the flight path then make a hard turn towards the rocket to set up the intercept.
That makes a lot more sense now. Thanks for the update !👍
I think the system's decision to allocate one or two missiles could also be at leastbpartly ductated by the value of the target the incoming ordnance is predicted to hit. It might also take the likely size/terminal effects of the incoming ordnance into account.
Maybe also options for re-tasking? "If we launch two, we can use both for _something,_ even if we won't know what until a ways down the line."
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Thank you for the update. Looking forward to more.
Huge fan of ur channel. Learning that the Tamir can be and is reallocated in flight is a new fact i learned about a system I have done some research on in tye past
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Great vid. Keep up that impartial work. We need you ❤
Thanks for the update. As a retired EE in the consumer space the software sophistication of Iron Dome and other systems you have covered is impressive. Especially so since if I understand correctly the US is still using floppies to launch ICBMs.
It works and they’re very difficult to hack. There’s a certain beauty to antiquated closed systems.
@@petersouthernboy6327 they had a huge scandal with regards to training and maintenance a few years ago... i would not count on that.
@@petersouthernboy6327 but thats certainly true of Ukraines T55s or the many t72s...i guess...and might explain why germany gives old crap....leo1s..
@@simonschneider5913 Nuclear Weapons are not that complicated, tbh
@@petersouthernboy6327 thats why they might actually work, but not where they are supposed to.
Missiles is something the US is stuck in the last century....thats the issue.
I love intellectual honesty!
And congratulations on 100k subs! Well earned!
Yet more good information, nice to see how close you were overall. And yet still regarding the Seeker.... more questions.
Another good video.
Great update. Very much appreciated
Thank you for the update!
Good video. Hope you’re well!
Tupically, I'm not a "joiner" . That said, youre channel mysteriously fell into my subscription list. That rubs me raw. However, let me say i have not deleted thar subscription.
Youre just an amazing fountain of knowledge and I respect that.
I also have to be honest, i dont scroll through the list. Its a bit overwhelming and i am hesitant to go down that rabbit hole. Happily, the algorithm keeps leaving gifts as a gentle reminder. One day i may just get caught up.
since you ask so insistently, Otis and I agree to a nice full-bodied live where we talk about the iron dome in every detail, and no... there's no need to say thank you for the green light at the aforementioned live 😂
Interesting info !
1:48 INSERT the clip from The Patriot where the Woman claps and says, "Oh, Fireworks!"
Thanks!
Thank you very much!
Now do the lasers!!
Super!
100k... yesss!!!!
I still remember Mack (RIP) presenting Iron Dome in the Israeli special episode of Future Weapons.
I miss him and his quiet intensity.
@@litesaber54yi3 yeah, same here.
Man would it've been a satisfying image if they had a CIWS system setup for the Hummus Air Force. lol
CIWS stands for close-in weapon system for a reason
the range for CIWS is extremely poor in terms of effective range the phalanx for example is only 1.6km
You would need too many of them to deal with a saturation attack
Perfect.
I hope they add iron dome to War Thunder so its secrets will be revealed.
It’s an interesting system that’s kind of unique to the situation that Israel faces.
It’s hard to deal with lots of incoming missiles/small targets
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Could you do a video on long range fox 2s like r27 or ASRAAM?
Advantages and drawbacks etc
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"you can hide and go fuck yourself." Genius.
the artillery Time ON Target was used by the British army in ww2
the nazis thought we had a fully auto artillery piece
Is Tamir's speed in clip a bit slow? Is its motor some kind of slow burn propellant? It looks like a loiter interceptor IMO.
So ,what happens to the material after the intercepts?
It falls down due to gravity. However, damage is much minimized for the following reasons:
1- Debris will fall short of the target area due to the reduced speed.
2- Warhead has probably either detonated or been rendered inoperable.
3- Debris spreads across a larger area.
4- Each piece has a lower amount of kinetic energy.
5- More energy is lost due to aerodynamic effects (greater surface area and drag coefficient while having lower mass).
@@andresmartinezramos7513 Thanks 👍
@@wst8340 No worries
I didn’t understand the part about the tip of the Raphael missile falling off. Do you mean that it is also radar guided?
It could mean that the tip of the missile is only an aerodynamic shell that gets jettisoned in flight, revealing the seeker head which may be optical after all.
... but it is not, according to Rafael...
@@Millennium7HistoryTech Yes, very puzzling. Maybe that clip with the detaching tip was of a different missile or a variant that they had in development
Regarding effective range of a missile. I am aware of at least one AA missile for which the published range is substantially shorter (factor of 2 to 3, depending on conditions) than the practical limit of effectiveness.
Why publish inaccurate values? Maybe the manufacturer/user doesn’t want opponents to readily know the true capabilities of the weapons (let them find out by trial and error rather than hand it to them?).
Question can Iron Dome intercept slower flying targets like planes ? Cruiser misssieles?
There have been a few cases.
Hamas know all this and much more.
Soon to become "iron gone"
Since Yemen joined the party(many more to come) be assured, we, the ones hosting it are bringing the "fun". 🇱🇧✝️
If that's the case seems that the US will join the "fun" too, and it won't be "fun". Israel also has patriot batteries for longer range ballistic missiles.
@@ivoxx_ you will be deleted. Goat sheperds in Afghanistan showed how "strong" ununited snakes of analrica is. israhell is even worse. Bunch of cowards. djouws will pay for what they have done to the Lord✝️
@@ivoxx_ then, one of the many antiship rockets around the area will make history in a WWII-style-fashion. that is the most scary scenario to me.
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The iron dome is running out of missiles..
Much like Ukraine 155mm and Russia missile
Do you think they really are?
algorithm
because round is not scary
Why does anyone talk about max range that way? (Well, other than trying to pad the numbers.) Distance to target at launch under perfect conditions is basically useless for answering any question about what the system can practically do. The only consideration that would even be remotely relevant to that I can think of is the question of how big a radar you should pair wit with.
Correcting past mistakes makes oneself only more credible in my view.
Firing $65,000 Tamir or AIM-120 to shoot down a $500 Rocket
Only if such $500 rocket is headed to a populated area. I think 65k is less than what a life costs.
thats whats already telling us where all of this is going. like when they spent a trillion to get the Saigon2.0 in Kabul.
But now IDF is killing thousands with cheap 2,000 pound JDAMS.
like firing a volley of lets say, 20 antiship missiles, for the small price of around $ 200.000.000, probably sinking $ 13.000.000.000! :)
@@petersouthernboy6327 are you sure you know what is being discussed here?
IRON DOME👈old-style defense against old-style incoming ballistic-arc trajectory weapons (old-style rockets, mortars, etc)
not counting old-style ballistic-arc trajectory artillery shell fire (which go too fast)
not counting retrofitted old-style gravity-bombs with glide-kits (air-launched)
was designed to defend a narrow airspace over a small region, like Israel, against very minimal threats from "permissive" places, like those in close vicinity neighborhood, with very limited military power
not against opponents with massive firepower: from land/air/sea
firepower which could attrite everything Israel has till its entire military, confined in such a small region, be fully De-Militarized
especially, for opponents uninterested in a any land grab, but only interested in defensively destroying whatever Israel military forces has, as a regional USA-style endless warmongering threat to everyone around it
i am all but certain they are using iron dome missiles for ground attack in gaza. my best guess is they're using the second, otherwise unused interceptor when the first one successfully got it. my gut feeling is this is what happened in that controversial hospital parking lot strike. the warhead is just a small explosive to set off the rest of the propellant, right?
if you recall how there was a video of the rocket hitting the hospital from up close - the guy was likely filming the video because some rockets were launched from somewhat nearby to the hospital. i'm certain the thing that hit the parking lot was an iron dome missile used as counter battery after the rest were intercepted. it would make sense when you consider how it was mostly incendiary - they claim it was because the rocket just fell after it failed, but if you hear the sound the rocket made, it was for sure not just falling and going quite fast.
this isn't even to mention the fact that pretty much every bit of evidence they gave to make their case was either completely fabricated, conjecture or just not conclusive at all lol
Absurd a interceptor missile has a lot of complicated and expensive motors and electronics because it literally needs to steer itself to hit a bullet with a bullet. They also have extremely small amounts of explosives
@@xblade11230 yes but they clearly use the propellant to boost the explosive power. there is also a dedicated ground attack version and can be reassigned targets at any time. and, there’s no way the IDF would be morally opposed to using less accurate methods to strike gaza. they’ve said before they don’t care about accuracy too much.
@@octagonPerfectionist I don't think you understand
a propellant is not a explosive any damage done by a propellant is minimal
Explosives are categorized into propellants and high explosives
A chemical is classified as a propellant because it is more useful at pushing things, than breaking things
and a high explosive is useful at destroying things
examples of high explosives are TNT, semtex , HMX, RDX , nitroglycerin etc...
examples of propellants are gun powder, jet fuel etc...
The key factor for a explosive is Brisance, brisance is what classifies a chemical as a propellant, or high explosive
All paid for by the US Tax payers 🤣🤣😂😂
This is way outside the scope of the IRS...this is for the FED to finance...or the bondholders..or, not to forget to mention my own problems... the ECB.
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