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- When Bartolomeo Cristofori constructed his "gravicembalo col piano e forte" (harpsichord with soft and loud) in the early 1700s, he wasn’t trying to create a new instrument - he was actually trying to build a harpsichord with a little more control. WQXR host Jeff Spurgeon visited the The Metropolitan Museum of Art's Department of Musical Instruments to speak with curator Jayson Dobney about the oldest piano in existence.
“The world’s shortest video of the world’s oldest piano”
"The world's newest video of the world's oldest piano"
Gotta appeal to the ADHD crowd
🎹 👈👀👉 🦳👌
@@janetwestwood9194 eh?
and there's a guy talking over the playing for 90% of the video
This is SO cool! I wish it were longer!
The oldest piano in the world, made by the man who invented the piano. Now THAT is truly priceless.
How am I supposed to freaking when listen when this guy keeps on talking?
"Older piano exist"
My brain : **play still D.R.E**
Man just gave harpsichord analogue controls
Sounds much better than the one in my house.
Sounds way better than those expensive modern Steinways.
It really sounds like a combination of a piano and a harpsichord.
Took me a while to find the piano with the song without the man talking but here it is
th-cam.com/video/A2WdjyKQ57A/w-d-xo.html
And also some of you may say that 1700 seems too young but this piano could also be made between 1685 to 1756 so It could be before 1700 or after
Causally invents one of the most popular instruments (technically) on accident
Why did no one play still dre?
What is the background music at the beginning of the video?
Scarlatti Sonata in D minor.
Beethoven’s Virus on this piano would be trippy
It sounds like a harpsichord
i just heard the oldest piano in the world. nice.
yes.
@@twistedteapotbeyblade8107 it doesn’t matter...?
@@twistedteapotbeyblade8107 totally understand :)
no man, you heard a digital recording of it played through a vibrating piece of paper. sadly, we live in a society.
yesn't
Nobody cares enough about the pianist to tell us who he is? "Oh, he's just a servant. Pay no attention to him."
His NAME is Dongsok Shin, and he's one of the world's foremost experts on historical keyboard instruments, is more qualified to play this particular instrument than anyone I know, is an astonishing musician and continuo player, and one of the most talented and easy to get along with fellow musicians I've ever worked with. And YES, its ridiculous that they didn't credit him properly, considering his contributions over the decades to the musical programs at the Metropolitan Museum, and to the NYC cultural scene at large.
@@ronaldevans510 wow
I don't.
@@ronaldevans510 nice
“He’s our asian. You don’t have an Asian?”
Just realized now that the piano is basically a harp that is played with hammers. Can't believe it took me this long to see it.
Harpsichords are even closer to one since the strings are plucked rather than struck!
This. th-cam.com/video/nveP3RYc3H8/w-d-xo.html
@@makar1415 And the clavichord is a guitar with keys. Sometimes fretted so 2 or 3 notes are produced with 1 string.
U didn't know that??
A hammered dulcimer fits that description, too. Pianos just have a heck of a lot of hammers...
You have an ABSOLUTELY LOVELY VOICE, but I clicked on the icon so I could hear the instrument!
Exact fuckin ly
Lmaooooooo got me in the first part
yeah it's a bit sad he talked over it about 90% of the time
@@Rodrigo-me6nq Hm...elsewhere is one word. :-)
you clicked on an icon? what icon?
everyone gangsta till the piano player playing the old piano snaps one of the old strings
i'm pretty sure the strings have been changed
Bruh
I'd imagine everything short of the shell has been replaced or restored in this instrument
Oof
Put it back and walk away like it never happened
Re-name to: "Hear some guy talk over the sound of the worlds oldest piano"
LMFAOO
True!! Sacrilegious! I’m very surprised your observation & comment hasn’t got 10k likes!
😂
yes, seriously
For reallll it's a minute long video just talk about it play and talk about it again. Idec if you can hear it while he talks just give us a chance to appreciate the sound before you go talking again ya know.
I thought the piano was way older than the 1700's
Same
thought it was made in 1400 BC
@@tinfoil7463 ?
Bach
There were instruments similar to it, such as the clavichord and harpsichord. The latter of which was invented possibly during the 1400s-1500s.
Beautiful sound for such an old, old, OLD piano! A sound from the past and it is still delightful to listen to. Lovely!
it's not a piano though
darksouls45688 Praise God jnshallah
huh?
Agreed. It sounds a lot like a Harpsichord. I wonder if those strings were the original strings in that piano. They were probably replaced over time due to age.
@@Souls_p_ my son
Bartolomeo Cristofori: *im gonna to start this whole damn industry*
And started it by accident
Hey boss
"gonna to"
@@PatWizard XD
"Industry"
If anyone’s wondering the piece is Scarlatti sonata in D minor K. 9
Cool!
Aline Zylberajch has recorded an entire album of Scarlatti sonatas on a Cristofori pianoforte, definitely listen to that if you liked this
wow, thanks
I wasn't but I'm glad you did mention
Ty. Too bad the rushed video didn't bother to inform what that piece was.
It even sounds more like a harpsichord than a modern piano.
That's because of the strings, there is only one string per note (whereas the modern piano has 3) and the strings on this piano are made of brass like a harpsichord, so it is going to have a more thin and bright sound.
It's also because the piano is based of from a harischord just like he said in the video
@@evanmisejka4062 No and no. The amount of strings per note has absolutely nothing to do with the color of the sound (the additional strings for higher notes are used for added loudness and they're supposed to be tuned to the exact same note) and in some of the shots you can even see that even this early model features multiple strings per note.
The differing material the strings are made of COULD account for the difference in sound, but it really doesn't either (bass piano strings are made with steel strings with copper wound tightly around them to make them sound deeper too and it doesn't make them sound any different, let alone tinny).
The REAL reason this piano sounds so tinny lies in the hammer mechanism. The felt tips of the hammers on this model are a LOT thinner than on modern pianos, they're almost ridiculously thin. And the thinner the felt, the harder the hammers are and the harsher sound will they make when they hit the strings.
@@CoolKoon actually you are partially wrong about the amount of strings affecting sound. Yes it's main purpose is for dynamics, but it actually makes a huge difference in the fullness and color of the sound. The old piano in the video has a very thin sound, and yes the felt used may have an impact too, but the amount of strings per note and thickness of strings are major factors. Next, the material used for the strings does not maybe make a difference, it is probably one of the biggest differences because they are what is vibrating and creating the sound, the hammer just causes the vibration to happen. Brass, the strings used on harpsichords and early pianos has a very thin and bright sound which is why this piano has a more similar sound to the harpsichord. The harpsichord has a plucking mechanism and the piano has a striking mechanism, so it doesn't make sense that the type of felt is the largest factor in why it sounds like a harpsichord more (the mechanisms are very different, and my comment earlier is why it sounds similar to the harpsichord, not why it is different from the modern piano, so the type of felt used between modern piano and older piano does not really count). The hammer system, as described in the video, helps mostly with being able to play soft and loud whenever the player needs to, not a major impact on sound...yet.
@@CoolKoon harpsichord and piano owner and part time technician here.
Your assumptions are incorrect - the material and number of strings per note makes a huge difference.
The iron and Brass used for Harpsichord and historical stringing is far thinner and not thickly wound like modern piano strings - creating a brighter timbre. The softer metals used also create a different sound.
Doubling strings *does* have an impact on timbre, otherwise they never would have bothered with multiple 8' registers. Multiple strings playing together resonate off eachother when in tune, not only amplifying the sound but creating a broader timbre, especially when combined with the thicker strings.
Comparing the timbre of this instrument to a modern piano is like comparing the timbre of a 19 century Classical steel strung guitar to a 16th century 4 course gut strung Gittern.
Edit: this is not even factoring in the difference in pressure (thinner strings and wooden frames necessitate lower pressure) and the position of the hammer contact point on the string.
This Piano sounds fine enough (better than the dullness of some modern pianos in my eyes, and needs to be experienced in person as intended to judge accurately, as a poor recording job will make even a stradeveri violin sound poor quality.) it will just never be suitable for the piano works we're accustomed to of Beethoven and such.
If I was a pianist, no matter how great I was I would have tears in my eyes and thank the curator after being allowed the rare privileged of playing this particular instrument.
It sounds like shit though
@@furiousfajitaa2367 It sounds like it's a harpsichord trying to be a piano.
@Elijah S. That's like being handed Jimi Hendrix's guitar and complaining it's out of tune. I would still be in awe just being allowed to touch it. Did you miss the part where it's the FIRST piano?
@Elijah S. And you are missing my point. It's not how good it sounds that matters, it's that it is the FIRST piano. It's like being allowed to drive the first Model -T car, you don't complain about how slow it goes.
@Elijah S. Exactly. This was a demonstration and amusing fascinating stunt. No one called this a concert. It was fascinating to hear music played on a 300 year old piano and think about all the history behind it.
Imagine playing Liszt on that, goodbye piano.
Hahaha, it probably can't even take ragtime! (funny, I come here 2 hours after this comment is posted)
all it took was beethoven for them to realize that they needed stronger strings
@@PiotrBarcz Haha true. Joplin would've just obliterated it.
@@jensboomgaard Nah, Joplin wouldn't've wrecked it, I think Tom Brier would
@@PiotrBarcz 🤣
Video title: "Hear the World's Oldest Piano at The Met Museum"
Video: _Well-dressed man talks through whole video and essentially prevents everyone from really hearing the piano._
Shame. Amazing that it's survived this long!
th-cam.com/video/A2WdjyKQ57A/w-d-xo.html here you go for the whole piece.
EXACTLY
Soooo, are we hearing the actual piano or was that just a background music and a lot of talking😐
it's the actual piano, though the strings most certainly have been replaced over the years
Ah, yes.. now this is my jam.
How's modern life been with new technology
@@theuntouchablemusicman9400 Pretty interesting. This so called “reply” is very useful.
@@tsumi.24 was making Double Thirds Etude, Op. 25, No. 6 hard?
@@theuntouchablemusicman9400 No. To be honest, I was just pressing random keys at that point. I wouldn’t say it’s hard, but advanced.
@@theuntouchablemusicman9400 that shit slaps tho ngl 🔥
when the oldest piano in history sounds better than yours-
Alas... this was more of a clavecimbel/haprsichord and not a piano.......
@@Doeff8 big brain has entered the chat
just say you suck fuck at piano playing
@@jesusisafly8689 lmao
My drunk piano: wot m8?
Fascinating, knowing such an instrument dates so long ago, and still sounds great!
Too much talking not enough hearing the piano
Really cool! Sounds like a harpsichord. When was the first piano that we would say "sounds like a piano" invented? Was the development rapid or gradual?
gradual of course
industrial revolution , around the romantic era
Robin it was gradually getting from this sound to modern but the first pianos that sounded like todays piano was after 1850 when the metal plate were introduced. It made it possible to raise the pitch and use thicker strings and that is what made the piano sound like it sounds today
@@moriscengic Wow! I'm amazed it took that long. I thought 1700's because Mozart's piano sounds similar to the modern piano. No wonder the harpsichord seemed obsolete for awhile because the piano for so long was a modified harpsichord.
@@LogoFreak93 in 1700 the first piano was built by italian Cristofori. They were just as you say modified harpsichord. Mozart was great genius and recognized potential power of this new instrument. But Mozart's Walter instruments were nothing like todays piano. The keys were much narrow and pitch was lower. The thicknes of strings were not even close to piano strongs of today. It sounded bright and touch were extreme light making it hard for us to play. But pianists of the past were fast as lightning and played very delicate. This is not possible today. The action was nothing like today, hammer were placed oposite of today and they were made of rabbit hair or with just leather. So fortepiano was complete diferent beast. Chopin was living his last year of his short life when the first metal plate were introduced and it os not shure if he ever heard that piano.
i heard more people talking than the actually piano being played...
If you think about it, today we're basically calling it "The Soft-n'-Loud" 😆
nah we're just calling it the "soft"
@@Jasperi Well, **yeah** if you just like nicknames 🙄
Tickling the ivories on the soft-n'-loud i am!
@@natewilson111 pianoforte is a different instrument. They come from the classical era. What we have today are piano's (softs). Its not a nickname, its a different instrument. Just how we call violins from the Baroque era Baroque Violins. They arent the same. I mean then we can basically call piano's Harpsichords.
@@gwaynebrouwn844 I think he was talking about the "pianoforte" not the "forte piano".
I wish we got more time to actually hear the piano. Yeah what you have to say is interesting sir, but I would like to focus on the title please!
You can notice the feeling of late Renaissance in this oldest Piano. It really gives a feeling of how genuine the instrument is.
I wonder how many times the exterior has been repainted in 300 years, it looks as drab as a battleship.
Just a heads up, Renaissance music stretches to about the late 1500s. This instrument would be great for late Baroque Italian music.
Just a heads up, Renaissance music stretches to about the late 1500s. This instrument would be great for late Baroque Italian music.
Reinassance ends in 1600, this piano is from 1720, baroque period: 1600-1750
Stop adding that stupid music on top of the footage of the man playing piano, I just want to hear how the piano sounds
Pianos are only from the 1700s !?!? Wow. Just wow. I’m somewhat sad about that
Organs are much older though, dating back to the ancient greeks
before that they already had organs, harpsichords, clavichords, ottavinos, spinets and other instruments that are probably lost in time
Don't let this distract you from the fact that I am the world's best pianist
Thanks Kim!!!
Another perfect day in our North Korean paradise
Let us give thanks to our supreme leader!
Someone to rival my chicken empire.
the olny guy in NK with a YT account
@@ColonelSanders17 some to rival my lego empire
Hear the worlds oldest Piano play for a few seconds while a guy tells you about it.
Alternative title: Hear guy talk over the oldest piano in the world
dang, I only wish the video spent even MORE time listening to you talk about the piano instead of listening to the piano itself! 🙄
In high school band room, we put thumb tacks on each of the hammers. IT was so fun to play “The Entertainer” on that piano. Boy did we get in trouble....
So harpsicord came before the piano? The things you learn on TH-cam!
I would love to see someone shred a jazz piece on this, just for the surrealness of it.
Sounds more like a harp than any piano I've ever heard. Such a Beautiful sound!
So pirates with pianos were extremely unlikely
Bartolomeo: *Hits harp with a hammer*
5 Minutes later: do it again
Pianist: Dongsok Shin
Music: Sonata K.9 - Scarlatti, D.
It's a shame that we couldn't hear a bit more of the oldest piano in a video about the oldest piano
I fast forwarded to a part where they actually just played the piano.. but i hit the end of the video in 5 seconds 😂
Let me put the invention into context. Prior to the invention of the pianoforte (the “soft-loud”), there were basically three kinds of keyboard instruments out there: the organ, the harpsichord, and the clavichord. There were some subcategories, like the virginal, but the virginal is basically a differently shaped simplified harpsichord. All three had major limitations. The limitation of the organ and the harpsichord is that there’s no way to make notes louder or softer as you play them from the key itself. The accordion wasn’t invented yet and though you can make the instrument softer and louder in real time you can’t do that a note at a time, meaning if you play more than one key at once they’re all the same loudness. Harpsichords and organs could get louder and softer but it was by activating stops, so the changes in loudness happened suddenly in jumps, not gradually.
The clavichord uses a much simpler mechanism: there’s a flat piece of brass called a tangent sticking up from the end of the key. It strikes the string and stays on the string to regulate its length. There’s a long strip of felt woven between the strings at the end far from the soundboard which serves two functions: it deadens one side of the string so that striking the string doesn’t trigger two notes and, when you let go of the key, it deadens the whole string because it’s now undivided, functioning as a full damper system (which stops the string from continuing to sound). The big advantage is that the harder you hit the key, the louder the note plays. The instrument can be very expressive - in fact, because the tangent stays on the string, by varying pressure you can actually get vibrato. Its big drawback is that maximum loudness is really soft, to the point where you really can’t play any other instrument with it or sing at a normal level and you absolutely can’t play a concert on it. Early clavichords could be small and light because a few keys could share a string (because tangents hit the same string in different places). That kind of clavichord is called a fretted clavichord. This worked because it would have been dissonant to play adjacent notes at the same time. As standards for dissonance changed and people wanted to play more notes at the same time, they developed the unfretted clavichord, meaning each string was dedicated to a single key.
There was a version of a European hammered dulcimer in existence at the time, but not only is that not a keyboard, it doesn’t have a damper system, meaning when you hit a string it just keeps ringing. That can become problematic when you change chords. From what I understand, more than one person was trying to figure out how to come up with a keyboard mechanism for a hammered dulcimer. The guy who got there first was Bartolomeo Cristofori. I’d read years ago that he first did it in 1709 but we may have more detailed information now. The mechanism isn’t simple. He had to add a damper system such that something weighted with felt on it settled on the string when you let go of the key, which is how it’s done on a harpsichord. He also had to make sure that the hammer wasn’t pushed onto the string but thrown onto the string so it could bounce off it - if it couldn’t, it would deaden the string by staying on it. A huge advantage of the design was that the harder you hit the key the louder the note played, hence “pianoforte.” The body of the instrument was a lot like a harpsichord body, so it sounded like a cross between a harpsichord and a modern piano, which was fine because it fit the music of the period, both sonically and in terms of loudness because concert halls weren’t big yet. Eventually as music moved out of the homes of the nobility and into concert halls, music got louder, and this triggered technical changes in all sorts of instruments, including bowed strings. And in pianos, which got bigger, louder, deeper.
People also wanted pianos for their houses and from space (and money) considerations they needed a smaller version. The first ones were what are now called square pianos, really rectangular pianos with the keyboard taking up part of the long side. This is the approach taken by virginals, which were small harpsichords that were also rectangular. The problem with square pianos is they sound really lousy. Particularly as the standards for piano sound got louder and deeper, the square pianos had soundboards that were too small to do what was needed. The answer, in 1826, was to invent a piano action that instead of throwing hammers upward into strings could throw them across so that the strings could be arrayed vertically, taking up less floor space, and we got the upright piano. A tall upright piano can have a pretty big soundboard. Even now, from a musical standpoint you’re better off with a full-sized upright piano than anything shorter because shorter means smaller soundboard. Studio uprights aren’t too bad but spinets, where the height of the piano isn’t all that far above the keyboard, don’t get loud, don’t give you deep bass, don’t give you good sustain - they put the piano as furniture before the piano as musical instrument.
More than you probably wanted to know.
If someone commented "can anyone put the invention into context, and don't be shy with wordage" this would be a great comment.
They don’t charge me by the word.
first vertical piano made by Domenico Del Mela 1739
Thank you. This is the info I was looking for when I looked at this video.
"hear a guy talk for a very short period of time over an unnamed person playing the world's oldest piano which you hear for a few seconds"
There, fixed your title for ya
I've seen this piano a few times. The alarms are so sensitive that if you breathe too hard at it, they will sound and the curator will demand that you step back. Even walking too hard near it will get you reprimanded.
All while you're surrounded by Stradivarius violins in glass cases.
Also, I really like looking at The Met's Grand Pianoforte that sits right next to it. It is the most ornate musical instrument I have ever seen.
Wow, for a piano way back in 1720, over 300 years old, it STILL sounds good and healthy!!
Indeed it does! Check this private piano collection: th-cam.com/video/a-ZzsKl3qJE/w-d-xo.html
this piano lived through the colonization of the United States, the revolutionary war, war of 1812, the civil war, both world wars, 9/11, and coronavirus
Well coronavirus can’t kill a piano
If you're gonna mention covid might as well mention the epidemic that happened 100 years ago too
Why are you only listing events that involved the US? This piano was in Italy/Europe for most of the time.
@@PianoHypnoshroom i dont think they get taught much history in schools over there, so it would be pretty hard to reference something you dont know about.
If anyone wondering what is the title of the piece : Scarlatti : Sonata in D minor
The sound of this piano sounds so sweet. I can't point out which type...but it sounds so much sweeter and merrier.
Firstly,it is a bright almost plucked sound. Secondly It’s the music itself. Listen to more Scarlatti and get your cheer on!!
It really was a privilege to hear the sound of the world's oldest piano. But all too short! Couldn't you have been more generous and let us hear the D Minor Scarlatti sonata played on it from beginning to end?
Not many people know that the instrument was hacked in the 1930's and many irreversible changes were made to the action, the case and critical parts of the scale. Thanks dudes!
Was this in response to setting the international standard scale to "low pitch" (A=440 Hz)?
It's so interesting because the high notes sound like a harpsichord but the low notes sound like a grand piano.
That piano is amazing! It's 300 years old, is able to hold in tune, sounds GREAT and it works just fine! I really like the saloon piano sound and the light airy tone.
they don't build em like they used to!
@@thefastandthefurious1 Well said!
@@thefastandthefurious1 there are some builders that makes replicas of fortepianos.
Anyone else get anxiety when they see someone playing the oldest piano since it’s a relic?
The purpose of a piano is to play sound. I feel worse about it sitting unplayed
@@dincerekin I was thinking “you can only play the oldest piano so much, so save the wear and tear for a later date when it would be really old, imagine hearing a 500 year old piano” I know it’s made of wood and I thought of that point, but by my nature, I like to save things to better conserve them.
Like all machines meant to be in motion, the system needs to be used in order to be maintained -- leave a modern piano alone for 20-50 years, and bad things happen. Worse would occur to a piano centuries old.
@@hymnodyhands yes, you’re right I was just stating how I felt in the moment
is it just me or does the guy look like Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates combined
Title says: "Hear the World’s Oldest Piano".
In video: "Man talk all the video interrupting me for hearing piano"
Music piece name?? It's so beautiful 😍
Scarlatti's Sonata N°9 in D minor
4 1/2 octaves? Possibly 52 or 53 notes? Ebony & ivory? What kind of wood? Lots of unanswered questions.
It sounds beautiful, and has a perfect balance between the sound of a harpsichord and a piano
You might be interested in looking up fortepianos (which is a more accurate for for this instrument).
Not really.. the oldest piano in OUR universe and in OUR earth.. aliens and multiverse exists y’ know
*everybody gangsta till the piano plays Champion Cynthia's theme*
20 seconds of piano, 50 seconds of guy talking. I wanted to hear damn piano!
It's pretty amazing that it still works like a normal piano. I was expecting it to just be a showpiece
Plz tell me which song is playing in background 🙏🙏🙏
still more in tune than school pianos
Be happy with what you have, at my school I dont even have. 😑😑
At least you have pianos. The best keyboard we have are two terrible Yamaha digital keyboards
Please change the title to: Look At a Man Talking Over the World's Oldest Piano.
"Do you play the soft?"
"Yes, yes I do."
Christafari was Italian and The piano invented in Italy meaning pianoforte soft and loud bravo Italiano
Built around 25 or so years AFTER the great fire of London, and 170 or so years before the great blizzard of 1888.
Indeed! Not enough credit or credence given to Bartolomeo. What a genius expanding on the harpsichord so that he could emote using dynamics. The thought process alone!
@@AllIn1Studio
Not sure who that is but it is amazing🙂
Would it have killed you to let us hear that piano for a mere 30 seconds without voiceover?
This thing was only made 50 years before Americans declared independence
Would have been nice if you’d allowed us just listen for 5 seconds straight
When you touch to play: and then u realize
*OH SH-*
Old is gold
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he is Bill Gates and Chris Tallman in one body lol
*why*
Imagine those were the same sounds produced and listened to 3 centuries ago. You are in a time capsule, cool.
I was able to see the instrument in 2014. Thrilled to death to be able to actually hear it!
it'd be real cool if you didn't talk over the sound i'm trying to hear
I am percussion, but I am falling in love with the Piano! Would love to see that in person!
Nathan Abela the piano IS goddang percussion
The piano is actually classified as a chordophone or as most call them “string instruments”.
It sounds exactly like a piano/harpsichord hybrid.
How long this piano lasts is proof of how well made Grand pianos are. I would LOVE to get one but im more of a synth guy, even so, still on my bucket list.
The whole video I was hoping him to shut up and let me listen to the instrument
of course i got a simply piano ad
Now play Megalovania on it to get attention from the younger generations
Old is gold 🔥
I was really hoping he would start playing Still Dre
Imagine if the thing had three manuals and the range of a modern piano. OwO
Not bad in did butt why talk over the piano playing??