Hello i have the same version but mine as I find out is 1848 with luxury etched blade, from 2nd Guard of the Field Artillery Regiment but i have no idea whats the price on this thing i would be glad if you could give me idea of the price range
Good morning. Thanks for this very informative video. I have a new pattern sabre from 1911 with a damaged P guard that I'm considering altering. I was wondering if the P guard is high carbon or mild steel? Also...If I remove the P section of the guard...will the hilt section remain tight? Or does the P bar spring load the handle keeping everything tight? Any information would be greatly appreciated!
Vincent: I obtained an example of the Prussian Artillery Saber, Mod 1916 issued to Portepee Unteroffizieren. It was issued in the place of the ancient Lion Head Kammerstücken, with the brass hilt. The blade has a so called clip tip, sheet metal in place of wood strips inside the scabbard. The whole hilt is blued steel, with a walnut wood grip with the usual wire wrap....Very rare item in the US, unknown to most collectors.
I have a similar sword but it has a crowned 'w' 09 and crowned 'B'. Doesn't the crowned 'B' indicate a much earlier sword? Mine also measures 30" blade length and 5" handle. Great video- thanks for sharing.
Hi, the smaller crowned letters (like your crowned B) you can find all over the sword usually stand for the inspection officer that approved this particular part. These stamps cannot be used to date the sword. Only property stamps (W09 in your case) and to some extend unit markings can tell us something about the date this particular weapon was manufatured or used.
I have a Bluechersaebel made in 1883, why would the Prussians make the obsolete pattern after adopting the new pattern in 1848? It is marked for the Garde Artillerie Ersatz...It seems to be a regular model of the 1811/1837 style, but it is not the 1848 at all.
Hello. I had to check my with my books but it seems like they simply didn't had enough 1848 sabres to equip all units. The Mounted supply units (train) used the Blüchersäbel until at least 1887 and some of the mounted artillery men still carried their Blüchersäbel until the early 1890's. So these very late Blüchersäbel are rare to find but not unheard of. Congratulations to this rare Blüchersäbel. With kind regards, Vincent.
Hello i have 2 swords like this but i dont know mutch about them . I searched the internet but i didn't find mutch info on them so . Can you help me . Like your video and greetings from belgium
Thank you so much for making the video. I would like to know more about German 1871 bayonet and the parade version. Earlier on I bought one for my Gew 1888 off eBay. However, I discovered I bought a parade bayonet without the slot for fixing it on the rifle so I returned it. I want to know more about the markings and history about that.
Vincent: I have some with Bakery Column, and Horse Depot markings, these are almost unknown in the US. Mostly we find AM or IM markings..or regular Artillery unit marks.
A.M.==Artillerie Munitonen, (Column) I.M. == Infantrie Munitionen..There are other Munitions supply marking besides these, but these are the most common ones. Festung und Belagerung Artillerie for example, but these are not commonly encountered....BTW: Yours is: "Artillery Munitionen, 8th Army Corps, 7th Comapanie, Waffen No. 44"
Danke für das Video. Dein Kanal ist von großer Hilfe für Sammler! Ich habe das mit dem Holzgriff nicht genau verstanden. Welche Version hat einen Holzgriff und was genau sagt das aus? LG
Danke für die netten Worte. Holzgriffe wurden schon recht früh aufgrund von eintretendem Ledermangel während des Weltkrieges benutzt. Wenn ein Artilleriesäbel einen Holzgriff hat, zeichnet ihn das somit als Kriegsproduktion aus.
@@imperialgermanbayonets9244 Interessant, danke für die schnelle Antwort. Ich habe vor kurzem ein 2. M1848 (new pattern) erworben welches in einem sehr schlechten Zustand war. Leider hatte sich der Rost so tief durchgefressen, dass ich nur noch ein W mit Krone am Klingenrücken ausfindig machen konnte. Ohne die Zahlen unter dem W ist es also unmöglich festzustellen ob es sich um ein gekürztes M1848 oder ein new pattern handelt wenn ich richtig verstehe? Besitzt einen Holzgriff und den Hersteller konnte ich ebenfalls noch rausfinden: Simson & Co Suhl. Gibt es seit 1856 aber finde vor allem Infos über Gewehre von diesem Hersteller. Ich komme sehr oft zu deinem Channel zurück um mich zu informieren desshalb noch einmal danke. Es gibt wirklich keinen vergleichenbaren Kanal. Ich hoffe irgendwann wieder neues Videos von dir zu sehen. LG
@@junglistmovement352 Wenn dein Säbel einen Holzgriff hat, handelt es sich wohl um einen typischen Artilleriesäbel neuer Art aus Weltkriegsproduktion. Abnahme auf dem Klingenrücken war dann W15 oder W16.
Hello. That sounds like an interesting sabre! W04 is relatively early for an new pattern and the unit markings identify as a weapon used by the elite guard corps. G.A.F. I 5.H.49 stands for guard foot artillery regiment, I battalion, 5th ammunition -column for the heavy field howitzers, sabre no. 49. A very long and - for me - interesting unit marking. congratulations.
Imperial German Bayonets do you have a email or something so I can send you pictures of the markings and sword? I had talked to someone before and he told me that it had a kirschbaum blade and it was perhaps Prussian the stampings are in Roman numerals and it was re stamped at one point too
very good video.... i have one of these and never knew what it was other than german.... It is stamped with 1920 on the (crossguard) ,,,is that the year it was made? it is also stamped with 1/A.R.5.24 on the scabbard i believe... Not that i know what it is? kind regards from denmark :-)
Hello, thank you for your kind words. t The "1920" stamp indicates that your sabre was used after the first world war in the newly formed Reichswehr. The unit marking 1/A.R.5.24. is also from the weimar period. Every unit marking with a " / " is typical for these post imperial period. It translates to the 5 artillery regiment, 1 battery and sabre no. 24. With kind reagards from germany, Vincent.
Very interesting article. Thanks. If you are interested in this 1920 stamp, Ian from forgotten weapons made a nice video about that topic. th-cam.com/video/PcFeASfbgmY/w-d-xo.html There were also some weapons stamped with 1921 but it seems like these are much harder to find. Regarding bladed weapons i know of S98/05 bayonets, S84/98 bayonets, artillery sabres (like yours), ulan sabres M/73, cavalry swords M/89 and infantry officer swords with either 1920 or 1921 stamps.
Regarding the bakelite grips. I cant tell you what the grip material really is but the before mentioned cavalry sword M/89 was also produced with this early type of plastic grip and production started in 1889. The artillery sabre was first produced with leather, then plastic and later with wood during the great war.
Mine is from 1870 so Thats 19 years before the 89 model.. it could be a later grip update i Guess 😊 when I got this saber i dident really want it. Never knew it would turn out to be so interesting.. now i may have to get a couble more lol.. if i can find one
I have one that I'm trying to figure out what it is. Its roughly 2.5 feet total made by Alexander coppel. On the back of the blade it has a sort of crown with what looks like 118 under it. On the hand guard behind the blade it says ac/g.
@@madarauchiha919 There are many German Ordnance swords pictured on the internet. I tried posting a link to one I suspect is just like yours, but the received an error message. If you Google "German Ordnance sword" you will likely find many swords just like yours. The G after the AC/ is just the code the Germans used for the year 1935 when they were still being somewhat secretive about their rearmament. Similar ones made later have two digit dates like 36, 37, 38, etc. Alcoso is another name for Alexander Coppel and Sons.
@@madarauchiha919 The WW1 versions are very similar, but have a rivet in the brass piece that dips down into the handle from the backstrap. The WW1 versions also have a little extra ornamentation in the design at the 90 degree area of the brass P guard. I wish I could post a picture or a link.
I would very much like to identify this sabre. The most prominent marks are on the crossguard (S.P.L.n28) and on the blade something like WEIER KIRSCHBAUM SOLINGEN
@@robertm2663 Are there any other markings on it? Proofmarks or a property stamp on the back of the blade? Without any pictures the identification is impossible but i would think that the unit marking could be weimar republic police. ("Schutz-Polizei, Lüneburg no. 28", in english: "protection police, city of Luneburg, weapon number 28") Cheers, Vincent.
I own one of these that I got from an uncle who got it at an auction or something. It has a W and a 15 stamped on the spine of the blade down near the guard. After shining some light under the langets that cover the sides for the forte I found "weyersberg kirschbaum and co" stamps. It also has identification stamped onto the guard and scabbard that start "LFAR" followed by some #s. I emailed a ww1 museum and found out that this stands for landwehr fuss artillerie regiment and that the saber is probably from the Prussian reserves during ww1. It was not very sharp when I got my hands on it and unfortunately another of my uncles had tried to sharpen it and done a REALLY shit job and fucked up the edge. I polished the blade and honed the edge to a reasonable sharpness, but I left the patina on the guard, scabbard and base of the blade as a form of protection. I keep a light coating of oil on the blade to protect it.
Thank you for your comment. Sounds nice. Those world war issued sabres certainly are interesting. And owning one with matching numbers if even better! Is the handle made out of wood or some kind of plastic? Cheers, Vincent.
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Hello i have the same version but mine as I find out is
1848 with luxury etched blade, from 2nd Guard of the Field Artillery Regiment but i have no idea whats the price on this thing i would be glad if you could give me idea of the price range
Good morning. Thanks for this very informative video. I have a new pattern sabre from 1911 with a damaged P guard that I'm considering altering. I was wondering if the P guard is high carbon or mild steel? Also...If I remove the P section of the guard...will the hilt section remain tight? Or does the P bar spring load the handle keeping everything tight? Any information would be greatly appreciated!
Vincent: I obtained an example of the Prussian Artillery Saber, Mod 1916 issued to Portepee Unteroffizieren. It was issued in the place of the ancient Lion Head Kammerstücken, with the brass hilt. The blade has a so called clip tip, sheet metal in place of wood strips inside the scabbard. The whole hilt is blued steel, with a walnut wood grip with the usual wire wrap....Very rare item in the US, unknown to most collectors.
thanks!
very informative. thank you for sharing and please continue to do so.
I have a similar sword but it has a crowned 'w' 09 and crowned 'B'. Doesn't the crowned 'B' indicate a much earlier sword? Mine also measures 30" blade length and 5" handle. Great video- thanks for sharing.
Hi, the smaller crowned letters (like your crowned B) you can find all over the sword usually stand for the inspection officer that approved this particular part. These stamps cannot be used to date the sword. Only property stamps (W09 in your case) and to some extend unit markings can tell us something about the date this particular weapon was manufatured or used.
@@imperialgermanbayonets9244 Thanks so much!!
I have a Bluechersaebel made in 1883, why would the Prussians make the obsolete pattern after adopting the new pattern in 1848? It is marked for the Garde Artillerie Ersatz...It seems to be a regular model of the 1811/1837 style, but it is not the 1848 at all.
Hello. I had to check my with my books but it seems like they simply didn't had enough 1848 sabres to equip all units. The Mounted supply units (train) used the Blüchersäbel until at least 1887 and some of the mounted artillery men still carried their Blüchersäbel until the early 1890's. So these very late Blüchersäbel are rare to find but not unheard of. Congratulations to this rare Blüchersäbel. With kind regards, Vincent.
I was wondering about the late date of manufacture, 1883??
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Hello i have 2 swords like this but i dont know mutch about them . I searched the internet but i didn't find mutch info on them so . Can you help me .
Like your video and greetings from belgium
Thank you so much for making the video. I would like to know more about German 1871 bayonet and the parade version. Earlier on I bought one for my Gew 1888 off eBay. However, I discovered I bought a parade bayonet without the slot for fixing it on the rifle so I returned it. I want to know more about the markings and history about that.
Hello Louie, i have a video about the M/1871 bayonet on my Channel. Check it out: th-cam.com/video/zLbil2Cw520/w-d-xo.html
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Thank you. Somehow I missed your first video. Love this channel.
Vincent: I have some with Bakery Column, and Horse Depot markings, these are almost unknown in the US. Mostly we find AM or IM markings..or regular Artillery unit marks.
What does the A.M. Stand for ? I just bought one and it says: A M VIII 7.44.
A.M.==Artillerie Munitonen, (Column) I.M. == Infantrie Munitionen..There are other Munitions supply marking besides these, but these are the most common ones. Festung und Belagerung Artillerie for example, but these are not commonly encountered....BTW: Yours is: "Artillery Munitionen, 8th Army Corps, 7th Comapanie, Waffen No. 44"
vonmazur1 shouldnt it be the 8th? Because of XIII
Thank you for this video, very interesting and informative.
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Danke für das Video. Dein Kanal ist von großer Hilfe für Sammler! Ich habe das mit dem Holzgriff nicht genau verstanden. Welche Version hat einen Holzgriff und was genau sagt das aus? LG
Danke für die netten Worte.
Holzgriffe wurden schon recht früh aufgrund von eintretendem Ledermangel während des Weltkrieges benutzt. Wenn ein Artilleriesäbel einen Holzgriff hat, zeichnet ihn das somit als Kriegsproduktion aus.
@@imperialgermanbayonets9244 Interessant, danke für die schnelle Antwort. Ich habe vor kurzem ein 2. M1848 (new pattern) erworben welches in einem sehr schlechten Zustand war. Leider hatte sich der Rost so tief durchgefressen, dass ich nur noch ein W mit Krone am Klingenrücken ausfindig machen konnte. Ohne die Zahlen unter dem W ist es also unmöglich festzustellen ob es sich um ein gekürztes M1848 oder ein new pattern handelt wenn ich richtig verstehe? Besitzt einen Holzgriff und den Hersteller konnte ich ebenfalls noch rausfinden: Simson & Co Suhl. Gibt es seit 1856 aber finde vor allem Infos über Gewehre von diesem Hersteller. Ich komme sehr oft zu deinem Channel zurück um mich zu informieren desshalb noch einmal danke. Es gibt wirklich keinen vergleichenbaren Kanal. Ich hoffe irgendwann wieder neues Videos von dir zu sehen. LG
@@junglistmovement352 Wenn dein Säbel einen Holzgriff hat, handelt es sich wohl um einen typischen Artilleriesäbel neuer Art aus Weltkriegsproduktion. Abnahme auf dem Klingenrücken war dann W15 oder W16.
I have a "New Pattern", with Property Markings of W 04. The Unit Marking read G.A.F.I.5.H.49, any help on that translation would be appreciated
Hello. That sounds like an interesting sabre! W04 is relatively early for an new pattern and the unit markings identify as a weapon used by the elite guard corps.
G.A.F. I 5.H.49 stands for guard foot artillery regiment, I battalion, 5th ammunition -column for the heavy field howitzers, sabre no. 49. A very long and - for me - interesting unit marking. congratulations.
@@imperialgermanbayonets9244 Thank you for your response.
Always wanted on of those!
I believe I have one but it seems to be different it doesn’t have the protrusions next to the blade and the markings are a little bit different
you can send me some pictures and i will help you figure it out. Cheers, Vincent
Imperial German Bayonets do you have a email or something so I can send you pictures of the markings and sword? I had talked to someone before and he told me that it had a kirschbaum blade and it was perhaps Prussian the stampings are in Roman numerals and it was re stamped at one point too
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very good video.... i have one of these and never knew what it was other than german.... It is stamped with 1920 on the (crossguard) ,,,is that the year it was made? it is also stamped with 1/A.R.5.24 on the scabbard i believe... Not that i know what it is? kind regards from denmark :-)
Hello, thank you for your kind words. t
The "1920" stamp indicates that your sabre was used after the first world war in the newly formed Reichswehr. The unit marking 1/A.R.5.24. is also from the weimar period. Every unit marking with a " / " is typical for these post imperial period. It translates to the 5 artillery regiment, 1 battery and sabre no. 24. With kind reagards from germany, Vincent.
@Imperial German Bayonets thanks 😊 On the back of the sword it is stamped (crown) W 70 so the blade must be from 1870 and the hilt from 1920
Very interesting article. Thanks.
If you are interested in this 1920 stamp, Ian from forgotten weapons made a nice video about that topic. th-cam.com/video/PcFeASfbgmY/w-d-xo.html
There were also some weapons stamped with 1921 but it seems like these are much harder to find.
Regarding bladed weapons i know of S98/05 bayonets, S84/98 bayonets, artillery sabres (like yours), ulan sabres M/73, cavalry swords M/89 and infantry officer swords with either 1920 or 1921 stamps.
Regarding the bakelite grips. I cant tell you what the grip material really is but the before mentioned cavalry sword M/89 was also produced with this early type of plastic grip and production started in 1889. The artillery sabre was first produced with leather, then plastic and later with wood during the great war.
Mine is from 1870 so Thats 19 years before the 89 model.. it could be a later grip update i Guess 😊 when I got this saber i dident really want it. Never knew it would turn out to be so interesting.. now i may have to get a couble more lol.. if i can find one
I have one that I'm trying to figure out what it is. Its roughly 2.5 feet total made by Alexander coppel. On the back of the blade it has a sort of crown with what looks like 118 under it. On the hand guard behind the blade it says ac/g.
Yours sounds like a 1930's German ordnance sword. It should have a brass guard rather than steel. The AC/G stands for Alexander Coppel 1935.
@@whitecastle100 where did you get your information from? And what does the g stand for is that the model or something?
@@madarauchiha919 There are many German Ordnance swords pictured on the internet. I tried posting a link to one I suspect is just like yours, but the received an error message. If you Google "German Ordnance sword" you will likely find many swords just like yours. The G after the AC/ is just the code the Germans used for the year 1935 when they were still being somewhat secretive about their rearmament. Similar ones made later have two digit dates like 36, 37, 38, etc. Alcoso is another name for Alexander Coppel and Sons.
@@whitecastle100 ok, yeah I bought it and when I did the seller said it was ww1 so it's interesting to find out its actually ww2.
@@madarauchiha919 The WW1 versions are very similar, but have a rivet in the brass piece that dips down into the handle from the backstrap. The WW1 versions also have a little extra ornamentation in the design at the 90 degree area of the brass P guard. I wish I could post a picture or a link.
I have a similar saber, but the scabbard is leather and metal, with 2 rings.
Hey, does is have the stamps like property stamp on the back of tha blade or a unit marking? Cheers, Vincent.
I would very much like to identify this sabre. The most prominent marks are on the crossguard (S.P.L.n28) and on the blade something like WEIER KIRSCHBAUM SOLINGEN
Must be Weyersberg, Kirschbaum & Cie. So made after 1883. Do two rings indicate calvary sabre?
The Model 1837 was a P guard sabre and the scabbard had two rings on distinctive bands.
@@robertm2663 Are there any other markings on it? Proofmarks or a property stamp on the back of the blade? Without any pictures the identification is impossible but i would think that the unit marking could be weimar republic police. ("Schutz-Polizei, Lüneburg no. 28", in english: "protection police, city of Luneburg, weapon number 28") Cheers, Vincent.
I own one of these that I got from an uncle who got it at an auction or something. It has a W and a 15 stamped on the spine of the blade down near the guard. After shining some light under the langets that cover the sides for the forte I found "weyersberg kirschbaum and co" stamps. It also has identification stamped onto the guard and scabbard that start "LFAR" followed by some #s. I emailed a ww1 museum and found out that this stands for landwehr fuss artillerie regiment and that the saber is probably from the Prussian reserves during ww1. It was not very sharp when I got my hands on it and unfortunately another of my uncles had tried to sharpen it and done a REALLY shit job and fucked up the edge. I polished the blade and honed the edge to a reasonable sharpness, but I left the patina on the guard, scabbard and base of the blade as a form of protection. I keep a light coating of oil on the blade to protect it.
Thank you for your comment.
Sounds nice. Those world war issued sabres certainly are interesting. And owning one with matching numbers if even better!
Is the handle made out of wood or some kind of plastic?
Cheers, Vincent.