Mr. Welch's Mad Musings: FATAL (NSFW)

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  • @SwordlordRoy
    @SwordlordRoy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    "So basically, FATAL is the date rape RPG."
    - Darren MacLennan in his and Jason Sartin's infamous review
    "Another faulty conclusion by Darren. Where is dating included?"
    - Byron Hall, proving everyone right

  • @Parker8752
    @Parker8752 3 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    I would add one correction - there are definitely monsters in that book. You mentioned them earlier: people who helped make this game.

    • @Mr_Welch
      @Mr_Welch  3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Touche

  • @RobCrowley85
    @RobCrowley85 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    A rape chart? Fucking hell...
    Rape in a ttrpg can be hard to do responsibly because of the subject matter and my attempts to write it as part of a game idea left me physically uncomfortable, but an anal circumference chart just for cross referencing for rape?
    What the fuck?
    Edit: I should add that when I say I tried to write about that subject, I mean mentioning it, like Kult did. Nothing remotely like Fatal did.

  • @mikes8193
    @mikes8193 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    You MADLAD!!!! Link the 1d4chan article for it, it sums it up really well.

  • @emiledlund9559
    @emiledlund9559 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I’ve heard that when actually played it’s a bit like 3e dnd with horrible homebrew. You know in the same way you might have heard that human flesh tastes like pork

    • @youcantbeatk7006
      @youcantbeatk7006 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I heard it was like a little porky venison.

  • @docnecrotic
    @docnecrotic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    This whole review sounds like a mental breakdown. I can't imagine your experiences from actually reading the damn thing.

  • @jackprutsman821
    @jackprutsman821 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I nominate FATAL for the worst thing ever written in the English Language.

  • @mymediapc9521
    @mymediapc9521 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Please tell me the author of this game is either:
    1.) Locked up in prison or a mental institution for the rest of his life.
    2.) Dead, preferably dying in a form of poetic justice.

    • @admiraltonydawning3847
      @admiraltonydawning3847 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No modern-day relevant info of Byron Hall exists since 2005.
      But the co-author, James Hausler, in an interview that took place in 2014 stated that Byron vanished mid-"development" of second edition and no contact has been made. James been "active" on TH-cam as recent as 3 months ago and he stated that he's still in contact with other "designers", while Byron is estranged from everyone.

  • @ConcreteShaman
    @ConcreteShaman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    wow... he did it, He actually did it. The mad man!

  • @ryat66
    @ryat66 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Six minutes in and it felt like my face was trying to tear free from my skull.

  • @harmonlanager2670
    @harmonlanager2670 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I feel like that one archaeologist in The Mummy.
    “NOOOOO. YOU MUST NOT READ FROM THE BOOK!”

  • @thatguynameddan2136
    @thatguynameddan2136 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Not sure what to say here. I suppose thank you (?) for going through that so none of us had that awful morbid curiosity to do so ourselves outside of a wiki article about the abomination that it is.
    Gotta say, i knew it would be bad, but not that many levels of bad. Youre telling me nobody has ever had to call the feds on this guy either? damn, thats a surprise.
    Accept a hug over the internet for having to deal with that.

  • @eclark1406
    @eclark1406 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    OK, Never heard of this game before.... Pretty F#@CKED Up.
    Not much else to say....... just twisted.

  • @tinywarfare9109
    @tinywarfare9109 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Every description I have heard of this game makes me think "it's so ridiculous and offensive, this has to be a joke. A terrible one, but still a joke." But then I see this thing is 1000 pages long. Who does this!? For a tasteless joke!? There has to be mental illness at play here.

    • @youcantbeatk7006
      @youcantbeatk7006 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Maybe it was a group effort, perhaps a collaboration between forum users. That would kinda explain the incoherent rules.

    • @Arvaniz
      @Arvaniz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@youcantbeatk7006 Even if you divide the work amongst five guys, that's 200 pages of work each... for a bad joke.
      Don't think so. This abomination was written seriously.

    • @Snyperwolf91
      @Snyperwolf91 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This aint a joke. There is too much effort and """"passion"""" to pass it as a joke .
      Its just a fucked up manifesto of degeneracy . The people who made that shit must be burned alive .

    • @valivali8104
      @valivali8104 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@youcantbeatk7006 writer and his fans 🤢 defended this monstrosity...

    • @youcantbeatk7006
      @youcantbeatk7006 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@valivali8104 Take your meds schizo.

  • @valivali8104
    @valivali8104 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was told that makers of Serbian Film tried to make comment about real world and get people to take action to better world, but failed terribly; if this is true *F.A.T.A.L is worse* than Serbian Film because it never had any good intentions 🤢

  • @heirofaniu
    @heirofaniu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Dear Mr. Welch:
    I highly doubt that you'll ever actually want to touch this garbage again, but I found the first edition of FATAL on the Wayback Machine. I can send you the PDF if you want it. Not that you'd actually want it.

    • @Mr_Welch
      @Mr_Welch  3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      You know what I'm I'm good I'll take your word for it

    • @heirofaniu
      @heirofaniu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Mr_Welch understandable, it's pretty bad.

  • @irontemplar6222
    @irontemplar6222 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    ok I will actually say thank you. Because often I have heard people bitch about FATAL but been unable to string 2 or more words explaining why. I knew people had problems with it, but honestly looked at them like they come down with a bout of madness from having gleamed the Necronomicon. I had heard about some of the charts and knew the game wasn't for me so I ignored it and moved on with my life.
    However the mental breakdowns of people who had at least supposedly read the book always left me scratching my head, and wondering if there was any truth to what they said, or if they were just overreacting. So thank you for actually writing this and listening why.
    That said man... Go get help. Hug your wife, something recover thy sanity from this horrid abomination, and let the clensing flames purge this work. I do not recommend the fire for much, but if you have a copy I reccommend the fire. The burning of the page may restore some of the sanity lost.
    EDIT: HOW THE FUCK DOES IT GET WORSE!!!

  • @10tails
    @10tails 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Thank you for taking this for the team. I knew what Fatal was by reputation. But having it laid out in clear points, makes me feel dirty for even existing on the same internet, I'm going to go shower now.

  • @philips.5563
    @philips.5563 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    No, see, the monsters in the game are on the cover and in the credits.

  • @SirHackwrench
    @SirHackwrench 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I remember reading the old rpgnet review. It took several sessions to finish reading because ... well, the obvious. I read the sociopathic and disturbingly calm response by Hall and felt I needed a long shower.
    I knew I would never voluntarily read, let alone play, this...thing just based on that. This only reminds me... that this abomination still exists.
    This isn't a game, this is a crime. Erasing every page of every pdf of this horror from the Internet would be a net gain for the species. Whoever blackmailed you into this review must hate you with a passion.

  • @scottmatthew3101
    @scottmatthew3101 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Sorry, Glen. I tried giving this a thumbs up, but just can't bring myself to express any level of approval toward anything even tangentially related to this...product. Seriously, folks do not do any kind of search related to FATAL. If doing so doesn't put you on a watchlist, it should. Glen said running it at a con will get you banned. I disagree. Even mentioning it will get your ass kicked.

  • @duncanmackenzie7795
    @duncanmackenzie7795 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Uhm. What the actual fuck.

  • @herpicusmc.derpington2878
    @herpicusmc.derpington2878 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Mr Welch I’m fairly sure this level of detail can only be learned through actual experience. Condolences to your sanity

  • @Titan360
    @Titan360 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Oh. my. dear. sweet. holy. merciful. I'd better stop or this post is just going to be an endless stream of sentences made up entirely of single horrified adjectives..... *Not FATAL!!!!!!!!*

  • @ryderma1
    @ryderma1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I feel like I must be doing something right because I have never heard of this game. You're a Brave man. Dont think I'm going to finish this video, but I'll give you a like, just for giving all of us this warning about this thing.

  • @cthulhupthagn5771
    @cthulhupthagn5771 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    When RPG.net tackled this, the creators responded, in part, to claim that this was created as satire and to mock the worst of gaming and gamers (infantile humor, excessive tables, lack of social graces, etc).
    I don't know if thats true or revisionism on their part after blowback but I'd believe it.
    Now whether its actually funny...
    For better attempts games like Hol did it better and actually wasnt to far off as far as the whole crossing the line bit

    • @Parker8752
      @Parker8752 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Schroedinger's douchebag - they are in a superposition of serious and not serious until there is a reaction, at which point if people agree, they're serious, while if people disagree, it's just a joke. Definitely revisionism IMHO.

    • @valivali8104
      @valivali8104 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They were being Schrödinger's assholes.

  • @dennisthompson7921
    @dennisthompson7921 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I kept wanting to stop watching, but like a train wreck, ya can't look away. Unbelievable this "game" ever got made.

  • @talon8911
    @talon8911 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for taking the hit, my guy. Sorry you had to put yourself through that, but I appreciate you giving those is uf who'd never heard of it the run down.

  • @SerpenThrope
    @SerpenThrope 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Well, this video just gave me a heart attack. I sometimes listen to TH-cam videos I've already heard a million times before to go to sleep, and since this one is half an hour I figured it would work (I've listened to all your mad musings multiple times).
    ...never noticed the squeaking door at 6:28, until I thought there was someone in my house...
    I think this is karma for using something FATAL-related to sleep.

  • @alysonyoung9184
    @alysonyoung9184 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I used to say I'll play any game once. I'm pretty sure this game was made to prove me wrong.

  • @tf2redpie
    @tf2redpie ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the whole gore of that “thing” makes any artwork you’d see on a cannibal corpse album look soft in comparison

  • @templarw20
    @templarw20 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've been a mandated reporter for much of my professional life. If I see a copy of FATAL anywhere I'm calling the cops. Prior "reviews" don't do justice for just how fucked up this shit is.

  • @madmachanicest9955
    @madmachanicest9955 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    God damn are we sure A dark eldar didn't write this book.

    • @TheGoodLuc
      @TheGoodLuc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Worse. It was written by humans.

  • @bonbondurjdr6553
    @bonbondurjdr6553 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    23:03 I think... that might be the actual, only thing that is funny or good about this "game". I'll be honest, making a random chant for a wizard to sing at the table... that sounds... hilarious. XD

  • @revenvrake7412
    @revenvrake7412 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow, that was very unpleasant to listen to. Not Mr Welch, he was great as always. But that game...I had heard legends about it...
    Poor guy, can we send another rpg to him to cleanse that taint?

    • @youcantbeatk7006
      @youcantbeatk7006 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What version of "taint" are you using.

  • @aspektx
    @aspektx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thank you. This stuff needs to be exposed.

    • @rhyzvanic3660
      @rhyzvanic3660 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Are you sure? Some things are best left alone

  • @rosskwolfe
    @rosskwolfe 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I keep trying to watch this video, but I just cant. This game is just so stomach-churning it's hard to imagine how it ever got made.

  • @Mikethemerciless11
    @Mikethemerciless11 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One of the few books I've ever recommended that be burned.

  • @colinmerritt7645
    @colinmerritt7645 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Say what you will about Synnibar, but McCracken was a game design genius compared to Hall.

  • @kainhighwind2
    @kainhighwind2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This whole thing sounds like a satire of RPGs.

  • @allones3078
    @allones3078 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WTF... I did have heard of some edgelord games before but this takes the cake.

  • @thehillz726
    @thehillz726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well this ruined my morning.
    I can't believe you managed to read

  • @weaselwolf
    @weaselwolf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    There's no monsters in the book because they're usually the ones holding it.

  • @Cynidecia
    @Cynidecia ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Reprobate TTRPG

  • @sentor98
    @sentor98 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love that he spared us the slideshow of images this time around.

  • @philips.5563
    @philips.5563 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Ok, but can we agree that Bestow Ingrown Toenail is a fantastic bit of flavor? You know what? I think I'll see about that as a cantrip for my Fairy Godmother character.

  • @qazwer333
    @qazwer333 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow. Well, Fatal is a really bad game. Its up there with RHOA, VITL and phoenix command as being either Completely offensive, A limiting mess of rules that wont let the characters role play, or completely obtuse to the point its main gimmick is so complex. (No, seriously I hope you attempt to try to understand Phoenix command. It is a legit gun simulator in tabletop form and focuses on super realistic combat.)

    • @Mr_Welch
      @Mr_Welch  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I've been trying to find a copy of Phoenix command but it's not Cheap on the second hand Market

  • @JamesAdams-nd1td
    @JamesAdams-nd1td ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My brain cannot fathom this level of awful. The sheer amount of horrible decisions, both mechanically and literarily, is astounding.
    The only thing I can latch onto is that this could have been forgivable if the people who wrote this game realized that rape is BAD. It would still be bad, but it would not be the worst thing ever. I don't mind the idea of sex or prostitution in a game (not sure I would want to play with anyone, but I can understand the appeal). Heck, both the original "Deadlands" and "Shadow of the Demon Lord" include the option to play prostitutes as does a recent(ish) supplement "Numenera." But as far as I know, none of these books encourage people to rape the prostitutes.
    If you want to include rape and misogyny in your book. Fine. That's difficult to deal with as a player, but it can work. As long as you remember it's bad. The characters should be standing in defiance of a cruel and unjust society, not reveling in the awfulness. Because the vast majority of humanity don't think that stuff is good! They think it's bad. They want to hurt they people who do this!

  • @madmachanicest9955
    @madmachanicest9955 ปีที่แล้ว

    Okay congratulations we are 4 minutes and 37 seconds into this video this is easily some of the most disturbing crap I've ever heard. The nonsensical perverted ramblings that make up this R*** RPG remind me of the sick and twisted crap from the malefis maleficarum. Holy crap.

  • @madmachanicest9955
    @madmachanicest9955 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This hurt my soul

  • @Chinothebad
    @Chinothebad 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can never forget reading about this game when I first read of it on TV Tropes and 1d4chan. The only laughs it really gave was someone on a forum doing their own review and look at it to the point they made up a backstory for the game that basically took a jab at Byron Hall for how disgusting it all was once one was able to read past the "circumference" meme and all the weird math equation rolls.

  • @kwaugh6137
    @kwaugh6137 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Liked the video to up it in likelihood that other will see it and be warned.

  • @twilight-2k
    @twilight-2k 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm not easy to offend but this "game" goes way beyond anything remotely reasonable. And that's not even getting into the mechanics that make Synibar or Palladium look playable.
    I'd heard a little of FATAL before but didn't realize it was anywhere near this bad...

  • @jasonnewell7036
    @jasonnewell7036 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a nasty suspicion as to why soap making is a skill in this game.

  • @scottycheesecake
    @scottycheesecake 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I would like to remind you even mentioning FATAL is sexual assault

    • @TheGoodLuc
      @TheGoodLuc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      On our minds, true.

  • @Nightbreed24
    @Nightbreed24 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    4:27 So it's basically like Sweden.

  • @Archangelm127
    @Archangelm127 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Something this ludicrously overcomplicated would be fun to create as a sort of meta-joke about tabletop RPGs in general. The other stuff has no place anywhere.

  • @Zane-It
    @Zane-It 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this game is like a punishment for murder hobo players that ruin your DnD campaign.

  • @Ravenclaw74
    @Ravenclaw74 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    How the hell did you hear about A Serbian Film? I can't...I already lost my soul watching Human Centipede 2.

    • @Mr_Welch
      @Mr_Welch  4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I'm a proud MSTIE and well versed in terrible cinema

  • @redfeildre349
    @redfeildre349 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Kitten videos for the win!
    Gave it a like but I've already read enuogh about the game to know this review ain't for me. Never came across ANYONE on the net that defended this game. Even trolls stay away.

    • @scottycheesecake
      @scottycheesecake 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      When I was a young boy ( 13 or so ), me and my friends thought FATAL was hated on because it was depicting sex. Then we found a pdf of it in a p2p program and turns out no, it is a terrible game that even the most deprived person can't find any joy in playing. You could take out all the stupid shit and it will still remain a terrible game.

  • @barbarianater
    @barbarianater 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The guy even had his own picture in the book. As if he was saying hey girls if u like my book hit me up some time see here's pic of me if ur interested

    • @youcantbeatk7006
      @youcantbeatk7006 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A lot of authors do that. IDK why you think that's the weird part.

  • @Se7enBeatleofDoom
    @Se7enBeatleofDoom 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Speaking of a Serbian film. It now has officially licensed collectible action figures.

  • @dakel20
    @dakel20 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Man... This is just horrifying. Thank you for taking one for the team, just, yikes... Could I ask if you could review two other systems? Just because of how horrifying one is, and how bad the other is?

    • @Mr_Welch
      @Mr_Welch  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What systems?

    • @dakel20
      @dakel20 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Mr_Welch Oh boy, you're gonna hate me, but Racial Holy War, and VTNL. I totally get not covering the first, but I think you might get a kick out of the second. The first is just... Horrifying, and involves a real world "church". The second is basically Rules Lawyer The Game. We're talking pages dedicated to how to roll dice.

    • @Mr_Welch
      @Mr_Welch  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@dakel20 the first one would probably get my channels pulled down by TH-cam. The second one isn't in English, I can't review games I can't read

    • @dakel20
      @dakel20 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Mr_Welch I'd honestly just accept burning the first one with a blow torch, hah. It's about all it deserves really. As for VTNL, I swear theres a fan translation of it somewhere... Oh heck, I guess not. It seems to have vanished, which is unfortunate, because it's hilariously over engineered. Well, there goes both those ideas! Thanks for getting back to me though, and now to finish watching your entire channel because it's AWESOME.

  • @dementedvillian
    @dementedvillian ปีที่แล้ว

    I made it up to the pregnancy hit tables before calling it quits. You made a good video, if it’s any consolation.

  • @CrashWeezerman
    @CrashWeezerman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Well, I understand why Afreemanornot stopped his review at the Anal Circumference chart. I knew the game was bad, but I underestimated how bad. Any chance of a GURPS review in the future?

    • @Mr_Welch
      @Mr_Welch  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      GURPS is on the list but a fair ways down. Its harder to review because of its generic nature

  • @charlessmith5465
    @charlessmith5465 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    2:57 off-topic of this abomination, regarding phonebook size being a fading reference, I picked up a newer printing of Gibson's Neuromancer and in the preface he mentions the iconic opening line, [the sky being the color of a TV tuned to a dead channel], and how many younger readers might not envison the static phenomenon he was talking about, and that he felt similarly reading some earlier 20th century scifi. Found your channel from your chat with JonJon TheWise about Cyberpunk.

  • @davidatkinson47
    @davidatkinson47 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    50 percent. WTF? Did this maniac pose any statistics on that? Besides I'm one of those who just can't, and I'd like to leave it at that , but not now. I think that this is important. I...as far as I can tell, I actually can't even if not invited by the other in question. if I don't even think that she want's me to for a second. If I even detect that the might not actually want me, I'm not in there, as quickly (or not quickly, as my body defines.) In there. I Usually can't even get in, even invited, much as I'd like to be there. Not a thing. I'm not even close, that's never been the case. That's not a boast, I like to think that most of us are like this. We hear what this maniac says and are like "what the fuck?" and not ironically I like to think that I'm in the majority on this,
    Doing things TO any other is assault. THREATEING another body is also assault, like it or not, in the least case. Enough said? If not, the idea that her psyche/brain/whateveryouthinkitis/ is something less than yours is absolutely anathema.
    In best case: She finds you the best mate that she thinks that she can. Or she does not. Get over it because she fears you in either case,

  • @fsgtadZ
    @fsgtadZ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was foolish enough to try. While I was able to trudge through the horrors akd several levels of degeneracy. I could not get past just how fucking boring it was despite

  • @youcantbeatk7006
    @youcantbeatk7006 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My entire world view has changed. Tonight I have not only found a game worse than F.AT.A.L but I found a game WAY worse than F.A.T.A.L. If you're brave or just stupid the name of the game is FAPP and it even has a bigger community than F.A.T.A.L.

    • @valivali8104
      @valivali8104 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      How? How it’s possible?! 😱

  • @Marinanor
    @Marinanor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Well, it's not even three minutes in yet and I'm already cringing.

  • @bugzilla1
    @bugzilla1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Could be worse. Could RaHoWa or Black Tokyo.

    • @Chinothebad
      @Chinothebad 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If anything, they all may as well form the unholy trinity of being completely disgusting RPGs.

  • @BigsZone
    @BigsZone 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Has anyone played this horrible offensive mess as written, or at all?
    No i know the answer is no.

    • @Mr_Welch
      @Mr_Welch  4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      As written, the game is unplayable. And that's just talking about the mechanics

    • @BigsZone
      @BigsZone 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      WelchIt sounds like it, i won't be checking for myself however.

    • @Parker8752
      @Parker8752 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm told some people have played it specifically to try and get some ironic enjoyment out of it, and they didn't last long.

  • @hellhammerCCCP
    @hellhammerCCCP 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've been waiting for this!

  • @eraser7278
    @eraser7278 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    RaHoWa next?

  • @RobCrowley85
    @RobCrowley85 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm just about 8 minutes in and am putting this down to how incels would write an RPG.

  • @eraser7278
    @eraser7278 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And you didn't even mention that review response they did

    • @Mr_Welch
      @Mr_Welch  4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      There is no defense of this game and I'm not going to give them the chance.

    • @eraser7278
      @eraser7278 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Mr_Welch oh no, their old 2003 response to the rpg . net review of FATAL was just 2 clueless chucklefucks digging their hole ever deeper, it was glorious

  • @youknowpomm
    @youknowpomm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    RaHoWa is worse because you can be sure it's genuine.