I'm running through 1984 right now on youtube, its fun to listen to Cornette at the same time. Unfortunately most of what Jim focuses on these days is trolling AEW marks and making clickbait.
This was the best angle in wrestling history...his description has brought back MANY great memories of this time. I was at this Houston show and when Watts/JYD, oops Stagger Lee won, the crowd became unglued. I wasn't too happy as I was a Cornette fan. Anyone currently in the business would be wise to listen to this and take notes.
This is so much more enjoyable to listen to than anything about modern pro wrestling. I had read about this in PWI, but HEARING about it is like opening a real time capsule.
Masterclass in wrestling psychology...I rewatched the segment, and just paying attention to the fans' reactions to what was happening throughout reminds me of what we've lost in the modern era...
@@jerisergedunphy I've never listened to the Alice days. Was she really as bad as people say? Cause I have my gripes with Brian sometimes, but he's got wrestling knowledge was she at least a wrestling fan? 😂😂
Mid-South was the tape traders’ gold standard in that era. Early cable TV days so Watts’ syndication was disparate and sometimes showed at inconsistent times of day (usually preempted by sporting events). It was the last American wrestling that had us smart marks asking “Is some of this real?” E.G. Duggan getting his head split open by the turnbuckle bolt and the show featuring him getting stitched up. Plus the production value and approach gave it a real sport feel. And hot hot hot crowds.
Yes we were. My only regret was never getting to Shreveport for a tv taping. I was just a kid,so it was out of my control. Plus Shreveport is a 6 hour drive.
It's all in the details. JR's concerned looks, the blackjack, Butch holding up his hands (especially this, which was genius) - that was it. That's what made it different and that's why it worked. And, to be completely fair, Jim actually had a completely legitimate reason for being mad. He didn't have to make it up this time. Dundee's masterpiece angle. And well done Travis with the little cowboy hat.
Little detail when you watch the cake party. If you watch there's the champagne bottle on the table with the cake and Robert Gibson grabs it quick and sets it on the floor before they jam Jim's face into the cake so he doesn't eat the bottle.
Listing to Jim tell this story and he mentioned Tennessee BS angles i remember watching wrestling in the early 90s with my grandparents they used to think everything was so funny i used to get mad and say its not funny the 7 year old me didn't realize thats how Tennessee wrestling is it has A comedy to it that is missing today they try today but there not funny there geeks
Jim is a great storyteller and historian and things like this need to be shared. I'd love the guys involved to do a roundtable discussion on this angle
I love listening to Jim Cornette tell old stories, the utter joy in his voice when he tells these stories, u can literally feel the smile on his face as he tells them
It's interesting how Watts was so plugged in during this time period yet the industry had completely passed him by when he came to WCW. Strange decisions like taking away top rope moves and thinking that would suddenly generate heat from a group of fans who had no reference point to that rule. The guy became quite out of touch over a relatively short timespan.
it was a rapidly changing industry, during that 5 year span, wrestling went from being understood by most fans as a shoot to most fans knowing its a work
The only thing I hate about old wrestling is that heels literally had people try to hurt or kill them. I am glad people know it's not real so that people can live happily without worrying aboutbeing killed. Otherwise I wish wrestlers didn't wink and nod and do goofy stuff.
It's funny that the same people who complain about the Ultimate Warrior being "reckless" rave about Watts hitting people for real or punching people in the back and attacking people for real.
It's completely different. I don't condone what Watts would do but if the Warrior is reckless someone could break their neck or something else serious. Let's say Watts punched you as a shoot Full on a broken nose. See the difference?
They kind of drip feed the clips, then put the whole episode up. Do it the other way around and people will just listen to the whole thing, then ignore the clips because they've already heard it. Putting out the clips first maximizes the amount of views. If you want to hear the whole thing it's on Spotify, Amazon Music, iTunes, etc...
@@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma Also, the pay structure for podcasts is much better than YT videos, so they maximize the podcast first and then put the full episode up on YT.
Corny talking about booking carries as much weight as Yokozuna or Vader talking about proper diet. Every time and place JC has been *close* to the book has fucking sucked beyond words. A few days ago he fantasy booked a sh*tty AEW segment and it was *somehow* worse than what Tony Khan booked. THAT is an accomplishment. JC is a great wrestling historian and is a good talker. That's it. That's the extent of his talent and value at and in the wrestling business.
It's like a leather strap that's weighted to use as a weapon. A poor man's version would be like a sock with coins or an orange in the toe of the sock.
@@lracseroom8286 Hold on there, chief. :) "Sissy" was originally a negative term for gay men. Not as bad as the f-word but still a soft slur, technically. It doesn't just mean "weak". I guarantee you that the wokest of the woke think it's offensive. I work in musical theater. There is no more obnoxiously woke community than the live music theater community. They are the queens of useless, self-important world saving. Plenty of those narcissistic jackholes would find the word "sissy" offensive, because there are lots of gay men in pro music theater. (but as you'd expect from these types, it would be mostly the straight women up in arms about the word, not the gay men.)
I've never forgotten this. The "Wide World of Sports" NBC knockoff called "SportsWorld" did a Documentary segment in the early Eighties on Pro Wrestling. With a heavy emphasis on NWA MidSouth and an even heavier emphasis on the Territory's top Star Junkyard Dog. The action was incredibly compelling and the interviews of various goodies and baddies were very well done. It was very ironic on a number of historic levels when Bill Watts returned to Atlanta to run WCW. Wasn't part of the reason why MidSouth and especially its subsidiary Houston Wrestling hosted by the late great Paul Boesch had such terrific Production values was that the former was part of a devastating televised one two Promotional punch on Sundays on TBS along with "Georgia Championship Wrestling" hosted by the incomparable Mr. Gordon Solie? There did seem to be a frequent and thriving Talent exchange between those two Legendary NWA Territories.🤔🎤🤼♀️🤼♂️B.W.
I love these trips to the 80s/90s! It's a nice vacation away from AEW/WWE! Thanks Jim and Brian.
They should do a segment on old school wrestling every week 🙂
Cornette is *Zola's Algorhythm* of 80's Wrestling!
Back when times were good
R.I.P. Big Scott Hall, Razor Ramon....you will forever be missed!🙏🙏
I could listen to jim talk old school wrestling psychology ALL DAY
Absolutely, he's one of a kind!
I've got a playlist that's entirely clips like this. It would make a great omnibus.
@@matthewsherrill3021 could you make it public please
Definitely this should be required listening for every wrestling fan
I'm running through 1984 right now on youtube, its fun to listen to Cornette at the same time. Unfortunately most of what Jim focuses on these days is trolling AEW marks and making clickbait.
This was the best angle in wrestling history...his description has brought back MANY great memories of this time. I was at this Houston show and when Watts/JYD, oops Stagger Lee won, the crowd became unglued. I wasn't too happy as I was a Cornette fan. Anyone currently in the business would be wise to listen to this and take notes.
That was tremendous! More entertaining & engrossing than any modern day wrestling show.
This is so much more enjoyable to listen to than anything about modern pro wrestling. I had read about this in PWI, but HEARING about it is like opening a real time capsule.
Loved watching the cake party when it happened…. Lived in Tulsa all my life. Love mid south.
Masterclass in wrestling psychology...I rewatched the segment, and just paying attention to the fans' reactions to what was happening throughout reminds me of what we've lost in the modern era...
Love it! Being able to sit under the learning tree whenever you want is PRICELESS…………Thanks guys!
Mid South > Any modern wrestling promotion. I love when Corny talks about Mid South.
I could listen to these stories all day.
I do sometimes, I go back and listen to past episodes. I've been listening since the dreaded Alice lol so forget alot and old ones are like new again
@@jerisergedunphy I've never listened to the Alice days. Was she really as bad as people say? Cause I have my gripes with Brian sometimes, but he's got wrestling knowledge was she at least a wrestling fan? 😂😂
Same
@@malikevans2615 she was pretty annoying, when I first discovered Jim's clips years ago I couldn't stand her
Mid-South was the tape traders’ gold standard in that era. Early cable TV days so Watts’ syndication was disparate and sometimes showed at inconsistent times of day (usually preempted by sporting events). It was the last American wrestling that had us smart marks asking “Is some of this real?” E.G. Duggan getting his head split open by the turnbuckle bolt and the show featuring him getting stitched up. Plus the production value and approach gave it a real sport feel. And hot hot hot crowds.
Yes we were. My only regret was never getting to Shreveport for a tv taping. I was just a kid,so it was out of my control. Plus Shreveport is a 6 hour drive.
It's all in the details. JR's concerned looks, the blackjack, Butch holding up his hands (especially this, which was genius) - that was it. That's what made it different and that's why it worked. And, to be completely fair, Jim actually had a completely legitimate reason for being mad. He didn't have to make it up this time. Dundee's masterpiece angle. And well done Travis with the little cowboy hat.
Little detail when you watch the cake party. If you watch there's the champagne bottle on the table with the cake and Robert Gibson grabs it quick and sets it on the floor before they jam Jim's face into the cake so he doesn't eat the bottle.
have heard this segment 3 times and seen it much more great content.
Was I the only one confused and thought this was going to be about Stu Hart’s promotion?
Lol nope I did too.
I thought this was the Canadian Stampede 5 v 5 show 😂
Yeah you were
TheFact that Cornette Actually *SURVIVED* The1980's...
Is an *AMAZING* Feat ItSelf!
(Even My *GrandMother* Wanted to See Cornette Beat into a Pulp!)
Listing to Jim tell this story and he mentioned Tennessee BS angles i remember watching wrestling in the early 90s with my grandparents they used to think everything was so funny i used to get mad and say its not funny the 7 year old me didn't realize thats how Tennessee wrestling is it has A comedy to it that is missing today they try today but there not funny there geeks
The line about Watts talking about his pattern baldness cracked me up.
Came for the Canadian Wrestling, stayed for the Bill Watts stories
Memphis and Mid South had the best stories. I can go back and watch their shows over and over.
“You’ve a mouthful of memories” ..
What a line …
Just watched the footage and it didn’t disappoint …
Jim is a great storyteller and historian and things like this need to be shared. I'd love the guys involved to do a roundtable discussion on this angle
I love listening to Jim Cornette tell old stories, the utter joy in his voice when he tells these stories, u can literally feel the smile on his face as he tells them
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I felt the same way. It's not just a job to Jim. He loves this business and it shows
I love how Butch Reed throws his hands up like "yall trippin". Lol. One of my fav beat downs in wrestling ever.
RIP to the ‘Bad Guy’ Scott Hall (Razor Ramon) cannot wait for Jim Cornette to Address this and the Big E Neck Break ….. 🙏🏿
Hey yo
"cannot wait for Jim Cornette to Address this and the Big E Neck Break". So you're into Tragedy Porn? Got it.
@@tysontomko 💯
Is it possible Jim still has those early Mid-South tapes (1980-1981)?
I have on my channel Mid-South Wrestling episodes from 12/3/81 thru 3/15/86 in chronological order.
@@michaelmarino7391 link please
@@michaelmarino7391 Do you know if there is 1970’s Mid South footage anywhere? I’m sure Leroy Mcguirk taped over a bunch of it to save a buck.
not only is it possible its most likely he has the masters
It's interesting how Watts was so plugged in during this time period yet the industry had completely passed him by when he came to WCW. Strange decisions like taking away top rope moves and thinking that would suddenly generate heat from a group of fans who had no reference point to that rule. The guy became quite out of touch over a relatively short timespan.
5 years is a lifetime
@@chrischar9428 Especially 5 years in that era. 5 years now is just a different social media platform.
it was a rapidly changing industry, during that 5 year span, wrestling went from being understood by most fans as a shoot to most fans knowing its a work
Nice Bixby Shoutout
This was so great. I feel like I was there.
💯
It was a privilege to wrestle and hear these stories from OVW. I could soak up everything and it was a great experience..
Corny must have stole that walking tall line surely haha
That cake party was absolutely 💯 brilliant.
Somebody should make a highlight reel of the footage for this story.
Everybody say it with me: "Personal Issues Draw Money"
The only thing I hate about old wrestling is that heels literally had people try to hurt or kill them. I am glad people know it's not real so that people can live happily without worrying aboutbeing killed. Otherwise I wish wrestlers didn't wink and nod and do goofy stuff.
Useless Trivia/Correction: The Butch Reed promo was for a TV Title tournament match against Terry Taylor.
Would anyone had thought that NWA Starship Coyote/AWA "Big" Scott Hall would morph into WWE/F Razor Ram
How long did Bill Watts have the promotion going for ??
Thanks guys.
"Get Cornette A Cake"
“Ewwww. Why did he like that?”
- The Great Brian Last -
It's funny that the same people who complain about the Ultimate Warrior being "reckless" rave about Watts hitting people for real or punching people in the back and attacking people for real.
It's completely different. I don't condone what Watts would do but if the Warrior is reckless someone could break their neck or something else serious. Let's say Watts punched you as a shoot Full on a broken nose.
See the difference?
He's not lying !!!!!!!
U cud of said because it was Jeff Jarrett instead of because he was 12
The video:
th-cam.com/video/mvY7zIX-ilU/w-d-xo.html
That thumbnail...im dyin😅😅😅
Corny is probably into that shit IRL.
I can’t find that match on the network. Anyone know how to find it?
Did Bill Bundy ever book for dubya cee dubya??
Racket... Or...Raquet?
I could listen to Corny tell mid south stories all day long. Much rather listen to him than watch NXT.
Corny is Brilliant
Good old bill “kick ‘‘em in f’n head” watts
The cake party angle was genius. Jim and the Midnight express absolutely sold it!
Michael PS Hayes wasn't selling no racket, lol
Classic..
is there a reason why there isn't a full 234 drive-thru episode? all i'm seeing are the individual segments.
They kind of drip feed the clips, then put the whole episode up. Do it the other way around and people will just listen to the whole thing, then ignore the clips because they've already heard it. Putting out the clips first maximizes the amount of views.
If you want to hear the whole thing it's on Spotify, Amazon Music, iTunes, etc...
@@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma Also, the pay structure for podcasts is much better than YT videos, so they maximize the podcast first and then put the full episode up on YT.
@@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma they used to put the whole thing out first
Alright, Corny talks booking and I am here for it. 🍿
Corny talking about booking carries as much weight as Yokozuna or Vader talking about proper diet. Every time and place JC has been *close* to the book has fucking sucked beyond words. A few days ago he fantasy booked a sh*tty AEW segment and it was *somehow* worse than what Tony Khan booked. THAT is an accomplishment.
JC is a great wrestling historian and is a good talker. That's it. That's the extent of his talent and value at and in the wrestling business.
@@lracseroom8286 I still enjoy the chit chat and a look back.
Let's go!
Honesty Bill Watts sounds like a dangerous wrestler.
he laid them in but he didnt injury anyone
32:55
Most of the wrestling then looked like one was trying to beat the other. They at least tried to make it look real. Today……….. 🤷♂️
Highly anticipating Cornys Scott Hall Tribute
Wtf is a blackjack?
It's like a leather strap that's weighted to use as a weapon. A poor man's version would be like a sock with coins or an orange in the toe of the sock.
An ace and a face card lol
I prefer the episodes where you both discuss the good old days instead of this new shit I refuse to watch.
More of this, less WWE/AEW.
Why is Danny DeVito in TheArtWork?
😜
25:11...
A Cut Length of WaterHose, with a Deep-Well-Socket BlackTaped to an End... Is How *I* Make a "BlackJack".
LOOK JIM'S WEARING A DIAPER HOW ADEQUATE.
Just seen The Nwa Crockett Cup pre order On Playstation 😳 Since when did Playstation Promote such stuff?
Why wouldn't they? I want the NWA to succeed but Velvet Sky needs another role other than broadcast booth
@@jeffmac9642 The only role Velvet Sky is good for would be behind a paywall.
@@bigfella6898 I don't know what that means
@@jeffmac9642 I do believe that is a joke concerning the transfer of monetary units for sexual gratification.
Notice how Brian Last - the champion for woke culture - doesn't call Jim out for his usage of the word sissy.
who gives a shit about the word sissy
not even the wokest of the woke would take umbrage with the word "sissy". Your worldview has been severely warped by your politics friend-o.
Tom I remember you from elementary school all you did was piss your pants back in PE
@@lracseroom8286 Tom here is watching way too much Fox News.
@@lracseroom8286 Hold on there, chief. :) "Sissy" was originally a negative term for gay men. Not as bad as the f-word but still a soft slur, technically. It doesn't just mean "weak". I guarantee you that the wokest of the woke think it's offensive. I work in musical theater. There is no more obnoxiously woke community than the live music theater community. They are the queens of useless, self-important world saving. Plenty of those narcissistic jackholes would find the word "sissy" offensive, because there are lots of gay men in pro music theater. (but as you'd expect from these types, it would be mostly the straight women up in arms about the word, not the gay men.)
Cornette still stuck in 84
I know right he calls the internet ethernet LMAO 😂😂😂😂 dudes funny asf
(Dismissive wanking motion)
The things going on 84 were a lot better than most of the things of the last 20 years.
If only most of wrestling was as well. Hope that helps...
Carlos still stuck sideways in the door at Dunkin Donuts.
I've never forgotten this. The "Wide World of Sports" NBC knockoff called "SportsWorld" did a Documentary segment in the early Eighties on Pro Wrestling. With a heavy emphasis on NWA MidSouth and an even heavier emphasis on the Territory's top Star Junkyard Dog. The action was incredibly compelling and the interviews of various goodies and baddies were very well done. It was very ironic on a number of historic levels when Bill Watts returned to Atlanta to run WCW. Wasn't part of the reason why MidSouth and especially its subsidiary Houston Wrestling hosted by the late great Paul Boesch had such terrific Production values was that the former was part of a devastating televised one two Promotional punch on Sundays on TBS along with "Georgia Championship Wrestling" hosted by the incomparable Mr. Gordon Solie? There did seem to be a frequent and thriving Talent exchange between those two Legendary NWA Territories.🤔🎤🤼♀️🤼♂️B.W.
Would anyone had thought that NWA Starship Coyote/AWA "Big" Scott Hall would morph into WWE/F Razor Ramo