last night I went down the rabbit hole of what is dsd, thank you for you videos! Today I found a used sony dsd multidisk player for cheap and that the gaming headphones that have there own dac built directly into them claim to support dsd. I am so excited but can not find much of source material to listen to.
It might take you doing it, Paul. I.e., being 'One of the great advocates for DSD,' and I'm pretty much with you, on that. But, as you've stated, most of the 🌎 don't care, you're right. But people like us, sure do.
@@Wizardofgosz If you compare a native DSD recording with the same in Hires or simply CD quality, there's a difference. It might no be extremely evident. Since I love the piano, being familiar with the sound ( I'm a pianist) I can confidently say native DSD captures more of the nuances than regular than PCM. The sound coming out of the grand piano has lots of nuances. To me it's very obvious.
@@Wizardofgosz I would still argue that DSD is superior to Red Book CD, but you can easily match DSD just by using higher PCM sample rates and resolution. DSD-64 is somewhat equivalent with 96kHz 24 bits PCM but nowadays you can already stream lossless 192kHz 24 bits PCM e.g. from Amazon Music HD, so why bother?
@@Wizardofgosz I’m not fan of DSD but compared to CD quality, it has a time domain advantage in the upper treble being able to maintain phase batter. But otherwise I agree and most certainly, PCM can easily win over DSD by just running at higher sample rates. Actually I’m very aware of the disadvantages of DSD also, for example this video points that out well: th-cam.com/video/tt82UyPEeK0/w-d-xo.html
You are right that most people don't care. But also people like me who is an audiophile since beginning of the 80's, who can't afford a 60000$ sound system and, (like most people of 60 years old) can't even hear frequencies above 12k MHz, won't even hear the difference. My present system can read dsd and I listened to some tracks but can't hear the difference. I care, I want, but I feel it's out of my reach.
Thanks to David Chesky's new Audiophile Society I finally have taken possession of FLAC 192/24 and DSD64 copies of the same album. I have spent a bit of time now comparing the two versions. The result? You are going to be very disappointed in me but I can't reliably tell the difference. (I'd be very interested to hear what you and others make of these albums. I used Graffiti Jazz.) I have a reasonably revealing system though by no means in the same class as your reference system.
I have a Marantz SACD player that will stream output DSD , it will not play it directly. The software to stream DSD is difficult, JRiver is probably the best, but it’s still not very user-friendly. The reason being is because the computer is not designed to handle DSD. And after many hours of listening I don’t see the difference between streaming it and a direct USB connection.
True most people don't have equipment for DSD playback. Still experimenting with speaker cables for synergy? Do the FR-30's have better synergy with flat speaker cables rather than thick round cables like the Audio Quest Dragon listed on your web site?
Not true, all you need is a modern computer and Kodi. I'm playing native DSD on Kodi with a mini NUC computer. A small Topping E30ii at 169$ DAC can play DSD512 easily.
@Bruce Carbone, I still see that last comment, despite your attempt to delete it lol. It's all good my man, now you don't need to hide in shame learning this stuff. But, gotta admit that was a hilarious way of saying you don't have clue whilst attempting to school someone. Cutting mics at 40khz hahahaha, brilliant.
DSD is unbelievably great and then again I am confused each time people with a large audience, like Steve Guttenberg say they dont care. it's like a car reviewer who says 300 horsepower is all you ever need. I really don't get it.
@@larrywe3320 Dear Larry I can't as I'm not trained enough to do this. However I can - with 99% accuracy - identify DSD versus CD quality, even with not so high end gear. What's more, Steve and other really serious evangelists consider any form of hires as unnecessary - as he has mentioned repeatedly. At the same time, even when listening at low volumes in a desktop nearfield environment, I almost solely listen to hires rather than CD quality. It's so much more enjoyable! Why would anyone discuss differences in sound quality of entry level DACs yet fail to enjoy the benefits of HiRes formats. That's something I still haven't found out.
@@endrizo what you are suggesting is like "a TV with 525 lines (NTSC format used in the 90's) is as good as a 4k TV". Well, as long as you are happy with it, why not.
@@vondita3772 nothing to do... no. im not. . i say that those expensive cables are a swindle for rich morons. there are many proofs that regular copper cable sound better. but if you are happy spending grands in cool looking cables go for it.
Personally I'm still confused about this enthusiasm about DSD, since PCM is objectively a better format. Hires PCM at least captures supersonic frequencies, while DSD just has a craptonne of noise there.
I have to agree since so many people are happy listening to MP3s they choose quantity over quality. I personally like physical media having been burned by some services going out of business. The Law of Diminishing Return definitely creeps into this subject with the cost of equipment to play back and the limited media itself is just not ideal.
Yeah but A is part and a big part of why B is true. Not everything 1 owns plays DSD. So unless you're an audio geek you don't know. Avrage person also just wants things to work like a fridge. It just happens I do nothing. The avrage person doesn't wana care about DOP that they need a DAC and so on. I think this too is why Microsoft's verry much awesome Windows Media Center went bie bie too. Again avrage person with all due respect to average people doesn't wana work hard or think. God dam it I just plug in my cables I just screw the cable box screw cable in and bam magic I have TV. Avrage person didn't want the hard work of looking for channals eracing the 1s that you don't get and so on and so on. So again with all due respect to average people this is the big big problem here with DSD too. Again I'm not comming for you avrage folks. Na I come at in this case the Sony oligarchs that made this mad hard to kiss the buts of the RIAA oligarchs and now we're here where we are. Dam it! Paull, don't start me please on oligarchs. Can't stand that selfishness from so called grownups.
He is selling something OMG how dare he, come to think of it things I have bought were from people who were selling things OMG I must have bought a load of rubbish and lies 😱 I wonder why these people go to the effort of designing something that is different to the majority of everything else being sold when they could sell the same stuff as everyone else and probably make more money because they might have more of a "following" and it would be cheaper to develop probably. What gets me is that he literally forces people to buy his equipment when they don't want it without even allowing them to hear it.......oh right thats a bit silly isn't it 🤣 and of course not true!
@@arfer1470 I have no problem selling stuff. I admire the engineering that goes into top end electronics such as the PS stuff; BUT I have problems who try to differentiate their gear by perpetuating myths about HiFi. The PS products dealing with mains supply power regeneration are entirely sold on the lie that such equipment makes a difference to the sound, which I find utterly unbelieveable. (I am from an electronics design background, btw)
He sells a lot of snake oil. DSD is no better than cd unless you like noise above 22khz. Power regenerators that dont do jack shit but empty your wallet. 33k speaker cables that will be no different than a thick gauge home depot cable.
I stream 192kHz 24 bits lossless FLAC from Amazon Music HD. It's about 7Mbps. DSD is only 2.8Mbps. My internet connection is 1Gbps thus even this streaming is not even 1% of my available bandwidth. DSD bandwidth is quite easy to support nowadays, if it worked with modern devices, but it doesn't.
It’s kind of funny to me how it’s called direct STREAM digital and nobody streams it. I’ve never heard it and I’m sure it’s great. My Fiio says it can play back dsd but who really knows, I’m a plebe
STREAM in this context means 'a stream of bits' or a 'digital stream'. 'Stream' or 'streaming' has a much broather meaning than your interpretation of it.
last night I went down the rabbit hole of what is dsd, thank you for you videos! Today I found a used sony dsd multidisk player for cheap and that the gaming headphones that have there own dac built directly into them claim to support dsd. I am so excited but can not find much of source material to listen to.
Oh my too friendly, sleazy, creepy uncle is back caressing me, dangerously close to my wallet.
Paul, FYI, you don’t need a visa to come to Brazil anymore, at least for now, American citizens don’t need visa
It might take you doing it, Paul. I.e., being 'One of the great advocates for DSD,' and I'm pretty much with you, on that. But, as you've stated, most of the 🌎 don't care, you're right. But people like us, sure do.
@@Wizardofgosz Did you have some point? Or, just felt like debating or arguing 😂
@@Wizardofgosz If you compare a native DSD recording with the same in Hires or simply CD quality, there's a difference. It might no be extremely evident. Since I love the piano, being familiar with the sound ( I'm a pianist) I can confidently say native DSD captures more of the nuances than regular than PCM. The sound coming out of the grand piano has lots of nuances. To me it's very obvious.
@@Beyondabsence Ever done a proper blind test to check that yourself?
@@Wizardofgosz I would still argue that DSD is superior to Red Book CD, but you can easily match DSD just by using higher PCM sample rates and resolution. DSD-64 is somewhat equivalent with 96kHz 24 bits PCM but nowadays you can already stream lossless 192kHz 24 bits PCM e.g. from Amazon Music HD, so why bother?
@@Wizardofgosz I’m not fan of DSD but compared to CD quality, it has a time domain advantage in the upper treble being able to maintain phase batter. But otherwise I agree and most certainly, PCM can easily win over DSD by just running at higher sample rates. Actually I’m very aware of the disadvantages of DSD also, for example this video points that out well: th-cam.com/video/tt82UyPEeK0/w-d-xo.html
so you're tellin' me theres a chance... YEAHHHHHH!
Amir destroyed your argumentation regarding the p12, Paul…..
About 1-2% of the population cares about sound quality at all never mind high quality. Sad but true
I have a Sony DVD/CD spindle that plays SACD and about 50 SACD discus: all classical. Great.
I swear I saw this vid a week or so ago already.
Dsd is driving me crazy. I would love to buy into it but have no clue what equipment is needed from DAC to streamer / laptop
You are right that most people don't care. But also people like me who is an audiophile since beginning of the 80's, who can't afford a 60000$ sound system and, (like most people of 60 years old) can't even hear frequencies above 12k MHz, won't even hear the difference. My present system can read dsd and I listened to some tracks but can't hear the difference. I care, I want, but I feel it's out of my reach.
Is there nothing to be gained by converting an older vintage recording (Dark Side of the Moon, for example) to DSD?
Sure there is if you can start with the original analog tape.
Thanks to David Chesky's new Audiophile Society I finally have taken possession of FLAC 192/24 and DSD64 copies of the same album. I have spent a bit of time now comparing the two versions. The result? You are going to be very disappointed in me but I can't reliably tell the difference. (I'd be very interested to hear what you and others make of these albums. I used Graffiti Jazz.) I have a reasonably revealing system though by no means in the same class as your reference system.
I have a Marantz SACD player that will stream output DSD , it will not play it directly. The software to stream DSD is difficult, JRiver is probably the best, but it’s still not very user-friendly.
The reason being is because the computer is not designed to handle DSD.
And after many hours of listening I don’t see the difference between streaming it and a direct USB connection.
True most people don't have equipment for DSD playback. Still experimenting with speaker cables for synergy? Do the FR-30's have better synergy with flat speaker cables rather than thick round cables like the Audio Quest Dragon listed on your web site?
Speaker cables? Lmao
Not true, all you need is a modern computer and Kodi. I'm playing native DSD on Kodi with a mini NUC computer. A small Topping E30ii at 169$ DAC can play DSD512 easily.
I don't see the point in a DSD streaming service since most records are recorded in PCM. Am I wrong?
Do native 32/384 recordings exist ?
Brazil!!
@Bruce Carbone, I still see that last comment, despite your attempt to delete it lol. It's all good my man, now you don't need to hide in shame learning this stuff. But, gotta admit that was a hilarious way of saying you don't have clue whilst attempting to school someone. Cutting mics at 40khz hahahaha, brilliant.
FIRST Yes yes yes 🥇🏆🍾🥂👏🇳🇱
wasted chance to write something worth reading.. try next time
DSD is unbelievably great and then again I am confused each time people with a large audience, like Steve Guttenberg say they dont care. it's like a car reviewer who says 300 horsepower is all you ever need. I really don't get it.
Do you think you could accurately pick DSD over 24/96 80% of the time in a control DBT ?
@@larrywe3320 Dear Larry I can't as I'm not trained enough to do this. However I can - with 99% accuracy - identify DSD versus CD quality, even with not so high end gear. What's more, Steve and other really serious evangelists consider any form of hires as unnecessary - as he has mentioned repeatedly. At the same time, even when listening at low volumes in a desktop nearfield environment, I almost solely listen to hires rather than CD quality. It's so much more enjoyable! Why would anyone discuss differences in sound quality of entry level DACs yet fail to enjoy the benefits of HiRes formats. That's something I still haven't found out.
What on earth are those speaker cables?
something expensive that looks cool but performs equal to any nice gauge ordinary affordable copper wire.
Looks like it'll keep your neck nice and warm for winter too!
@@thegrimyeaper haa
@@endrizo what you are suggesting is like "a TV with 525 lines (NTSC format used in the 90's) is as good as a 4k TV". Well, as long as you are happy with it, why not.
@@vondita3772 nothing to do... no. im not. . i say that those expensive cables are a swindle for rich morons. there are many proofs that regular copper cable sound better. but if you are happy spending grands in cool looking cables go for it.
The vast majority of people cannot differentiate 24/96 from DSD in a DBT and most certainly a person of Paul's age could not
you are missing an Important point... Not many speakers headphone ($$$$) can bring the most out of Dsd.
Me fascinan tus vídeos.
I was thinking what the heck are they mounting off the side of those speakers? until I looked closely.
Funny, I asked he same question about a month ago. Paul had to tell me then I saw it😄
Personally I'm still confused about this enthusiasm about DSD, since PCM is objectively a better format.
Hires PCM at least captures supersonic frequencies, while DSD just has a craptonne of noise there.
I have to agree since so many people are happy listening to MP3s they choose quantity over quality. I personally like physical media having been burned by some services going out of business. The Law of Diminishing Return definitely creeps into this subject with the cost of equipment to play back and the limited media itself is just not ideal.
Yeah but A is part and a big part of why B is true. Not everything 1 owns plays DSD. So unless you're an audio geek you don't know. Avrage person also just wants things to work like a fridge. It just happens I do nothing. The avrage person doesn't wana care about DOP that they need a DAC and so on. I think this too is why Microsoft's verry much awesome Windows Media Center went bie bie too. Again avrage person with all due respect to average people doesn't wana work hard or think. God dam it I just plug in my cables I just screw the cable box screw cable in and bam magic I have TV. Avrage person didn't want the hard work of looking for channals eracing the 1s that you don't get and so on and so on. So again with all due respect to average people this is the big big problem here with DSD too. Again I'm not comming for you avrage folks. Na I come at in this case the Sony oligarchs that made this mad hard to kiss the buts of the RIAA oligarchs and now we're here where we are. Dam it! Paull, don't start me please on oligarchs. Can't stand that selfishness from so called grownups.
For God's sake: this is BS. Paul is perpetuating the myth that DSD is better than high-rate PCM. He has DSD equipment to sell.
He is selling something OMG how dare he, come to think of it things I have bought were from people who were selling things OMG I must have bought a load of rubbish and lies 😱
I wonder why these people go to the effort of designing something that is different to the majority of everything else being sold when they could sell the same stuff as everyone else and probably make more money because they might have more of a "following" and it would be cheaper to develop probably.
What gets me is that he literally forces people to buy his equipment when they don't want it without even allowing them to hear it.......oh right thats a bit silly isn't it 🤣 and of course not true!
@@arfer1470 I have no problem selling stuff. I admire the engineering that goes into top end electronics such as the PS stuff; BUT I have problems who try to differentiate their gear by perpetuating myths about HiFi. The PS products dealing with mains supply power regeneration are entirely sold on the lie that such equipment makes a difference to the sound, which I find utterly unbelieveable. (I am from an electronics design background, btw)
He sells a lot of snake oil. DSD is no better than cd unless you like noise above 22khz. Power regenerators that dont do jack shit but empty your wallet. 33k speaker cables that will be no different than a thick gauge home depot cable.
I think the amount of bandwidth required for DSD make it impractical.
FWIW even the highest resolution DSD stream, is not even 1% that of a 4K video
I stream 192kHz 24 bits lossless FLAC from Amazon Music HD. It's about 7Mbps. DSD is only 2.8Mbps. My internet connection is 1Gbps thus even this streaming is not even 1% of my available bandwidth. DSD bandwidth is quite easy to support nowadays, if it worked with modern devices, but it doesn't.
@ThinkingBetter nowadays almost all DACs are DSD capable. Even my 2012 Onkyo receiver plays it from USB port
@@ThinkingBetter Ah, I didn't realize DSD was that economical.
@@rwgamer Actually DSD is indeed "economical". In a way I would say it's a good format from an audio fidelity data efficiency perspective.
Not economically viable. High resolution is already a stretch as far as consumer demand goes. Why even bother.
It’s kind of funny to me how it’s called direct STREAM digital and nobody streams it. I’ve never heard it and I’m sure it’s great. My Fiio says it can play back dsd but who really knows, I’m a plebe
DSD was around long before streaming. The first time I heard DSD was back in 90's.
STREAM in this context means 'a stream of bits' or a 'digital stream'. 'Stream' or 'streaming' has a much broather meaning than your interpretation of it.