@@CMed14there's no point in making sand attack ground unless they really want to make flying types immune. Which I don't like, because I imagine sand attack including a bird making a bunch of wind that kicks sand up in the sky and blinds fliers (I think the cartoon has this with Pidgey).
it was funny playing this as a kid because I'd always assumed the rentals were the "ideal" or "optimal" pokemon, only to find myself sweeping as soon as I imported some of my own pokemon. You know, the ones with decent moves and decent IVs
Gengar switches into a seismic toss from Chansey Chansey switches out to Alakazam Gengar uses counter to randomly smack Alakazam for 200 damage on the switch Me: Huh Also me: What do you mean counter counters the last confirmed hit on a pokemon!?
Almost makes Ash thinking it works on Brandon's Dusknoir with Charizard in having forgotten it doesn't work on ghost types seem more understandable why he thought it would work lol.
Just as like Night Shade hits normal types. Tbh, moves with a set amount of damage (Sonicboom, Dragon Rage, Seismic Toss, Night Shade) also ignore immunities in gen 1.
@@joshuawidener8407 Pretty much. Rentals only is doable, but a lot of luck is needed. Using your own mons with actual movesets and more than likely better stats is definitely better though.
Some of them got okay IVs… The ones with bad base stat totals, like the first forms. This hilariously screws over Pokemon like Arcanine who has a high base stat total but simply isn’t very good due to a very subpar move pool and typing.
@@Emcee_Coinnah all rentals in prime cup are 100. But they lack ivs and stat experience. now in gym leader castle…. If you enter Pokémon over level 50 (via Pokémon on your game cart) the castle will adjust to the level of the highest level Pokémon making the rentals even worse since they stay level 50
@@morphstarchangeling8024simply own the original hardware and your problems are solved. I made it a mission to own all the hardware (n64, stadium 1&2, x2 gamepaks and all the gameboy cartridges) Not sure how much it cost in total but it’s definitely worth it. Can’t wait to sweep my kids team to start my villain arc
That's true to an extent but it was also just an awkward attempt to balance the rental meta. Unevolved Pokemon were given stronger movesets to compensate for their stats, evolved Pokemon were given terrible movesets to undermine their stats. If the game were balanced around fully evolved stuff the rentals would likely be way more usable, it's pretty obvious they had an idea which moves would be actually good, but gotta make Charmeleon as good as Charizard
Its likely what they were trying to do was make all Pokemon able to compete against each other so that you could pick whatever you wanted from Rentals. So weaker and unevolved Pokemon get better moves while the stronger ones get weaker moves to put them all on equal power levels.
The best part about Pokemon Stadium rentals is the fact that you stop feeling bad when you remember your movesets of choice as a kid. Like... what were they thinking? I know that they wanted you to import your own pokemon but... COME ON. Pretty cozy video though, not gonna lie.
Never understood how the jigglypuffs line is that everyone gets knocked out in ear shot of its singing. It shouldnt miss half the time, shouldve had a signature move called lullaby like the tcg with higher accuracy
Hitmonchan is the greatest example of gen one fuckery if there's ever been one. 3 signature moves but one of the worst specials in the entire game, ok at best defense, no good fighting stab if it even learns a fighting type move, and has the title of being gen 1's worst fighting type by far. I don't think Gamefreak was even trying to cook when they made him. They just slapped stuff that sounded cool together and called it a day.
>Make Hitmonchan >Give it the Gimmick of learning the elemental punches >35 Special lol I also found it weird how it is supposed to be the "defensive variant" of Hitmonchan but then it has 79 defense.
Really surprised Onix wasn't anywhere on this list, not even Dishonorable Mentions. Pathetic Attack power followed by getting OHKO'd by any Special move.
Onix is not great in rentals, but it has some saving graces that I think make it worth considering. It has an OK speed tier and access to explosion/selfdestruct in all three formats mentioned. It actually has the highest speed out of any of the rock-grounds, though that's not saying much since you still don't want to have it in against any fast water or ice type. But I think it's a lot better than the other mons on the list, since it can wall electrics and has the speed-tier to get at least SOMETHING done so long as you don't pit it against a Starmie or Alakazam. Again, it's not super good or anything, but being rock-ground and having a decently fast Explosion button gives it some viability, though said Explosion is not super strong, you could weaken the mon and then revenge kill it with something faster. I'd argue that something like Golem or Marowak is worse than Onix
Well he also fixed all the shit the devs did in JPN PS1; the game clearly favors the AI; so much so that it was the devs who altered the games code to make the AI 50-80% luckier than any player could ever be. The most % the player will ever get is 15% crit rate in everything and any move that is 80% or below is 50% for the player and 90% of the AI. OHKO moves are 5% for the player, 50% for AI. Also AI has the 1/255 removed for them only. So a MUCH better amount of fixes of unfucking a game and fixing what needed fixed. Several reasons why the JP PS1 is viewed in such disfavor.
I mean If you want to make a pokemon do SOMETHING in Gen 1, you could do something like sub+rest with maybe body slam, toxic, seismic toss... so that's kinda tbe end of the line for Hitmonchan, but, if anything should get the, uh, "privilege" of running such a set, it's Hitmonchan.
Imagine making a Pokemon based entirely on punching, and giving it _no_ punching moves it could use except maybe Mega Punch (worse Body Slam) and Comet Punch. In fact, I have no idea why Mega Kick and Mega Punch weren't made into Fighting type moves. Low Kick was. Or at least give Hitmonchan a signature move if Hitmonlee gets one.
@@christiancinnabars1402 It feels like the point was to give Hitmonchan the elemental punches as they seemed to pivot from the punch yokai with Jynx, but they lost the script at some point in development.
Ouch! I agree with Hitmonchan's placement. You made me realize how much Nintendo neglected Hitmonchan. It wasn't until gen 4 when Hintmonchan could actually use the elemental punches effectively.
The worst part about Rental Beedrill is that it insults RBY playthrough Beedrill by comparison. Beedrill getting StatEXP, Hyper Beam strats, and being super powerful against the hundreds of Poison-types in the RBY playthrough means it can be a real monster, and with StatEXP it can get the Speed to kill Psychic-types, too. But with nerfed mechanics and shoddy stats as a Rental, Beedrill gets to drown. Just like half the Rentals in the game. Yikes lol
My favorite thing about stadium is that it can be classified as its own gen. Like gen 1 was fucked then they made gen 1.5 which unfucked alot of things in turn fucking many more things
@@yearzer0 yeah Beedrill sucked. In fact, if you wanna get to the nitty gritty, every team was basically the same anyways with trying to freeze Chansey for instance
@@yearzer0 any pokemon can be good in a playthrough, just depends on how patient you are. put away the beedrill, and start using that raticate if you don't want to spend more than a week playing the game.
I think we can all agree it was intentional, to round out the selection of useable mons. I mean, even Smogon does a similar thing in ranbats, but by scaling levels. Even Sunflora is actually not totally horrible because its a crazy high level.
Disagree on Rhydon, it does not remotely belong on this list. Yes, questionable movepool to say the least, but there are instances where you would pick it over rhyhorn or graveler, its stats are just that much of an upgrade. Its stats really are the difference between ohko and 2hkos with dig/eq quite a few times. Besides, you are rhydon, whats pidgeot gonna do to you anyway? You still beat most flying types with thunder anyway. Rest of the list is pretty accurate.
The biggest knock on Rhydon is the fact there are a TON of Water types in Stadium's cups, and Rhydon being so slow is GOING to die. Its just not as valuable as you'd think because of its move pool. If it had rock slide on any of its sets, it would likely not have been on this list. Also when dillon did his rental rando, he just died, so it's put on this list because of personal experience.
@@nerdstop5025 From my experience, Rydon deserves to be on the list because its such a big disappointment. Seriously, you feel like you objectively should pick it, and then it just dies over and over. But it kiiiinda technically isn't as bad as some? But its just feels bad. Like, the one guy who has some trait that got them in your friend group but they're such an ass, they deserve to be called "the worst'
Man I'm getting PTSD lol playing Pokemon Stadium as a kid with no Transfer Pak was definitely a time and some of my most frustrating memories as a gamer. But I can't lie, the euphoria of overcoming the odds, defeating the opponent as well as the RNG itself, was one of the most rewarding feelings ever. I was stuck on Sabrina for like 3 months and finally beat her one day after school when I was the only person home, which was probably a good thing because I yelled so much hahaha I thought for sure that the top spot was going to be Omastar, Tangela, or Flareon or something, somehow I completely forgot about how awful Ditto was. Conversely, I remember how Dragonair was an absolute beast. Depending on the mode it got a mix of fire/ice/electric coverage along with Slam and Dragon Rage I think? Just a solid pick all around.
i remember wanting this game as a kid so bad and then finally buying the game as an adult and just putting it down after an hour after because of the set
Imaging a world where the elemental punches were special exceptions to pre split rules and transform completely healed the user after transformation and had +2 priority
Don't be sleeping on Hitmonlee, Hi Jump Kick hits like a truck! And should Ditto really count when it can only learn one move? Why would you even use Ditto on anything in the first place?
Hitmonlee is one of the best characters in all of Stadium. Having horrible defense is a balancing tool for a lot of these pokemon… the term glass canon exists for many top tiers across different game genres
There are some not-fully-evolved pokemon that can outclass their fully evolved counterpart- I vaguely remember Graveler being one- So I think it moreso should've been limited to "max 1 per evolutionary family, pick the best of the line." This will *usually* be the fully evolved, but in some cases it won't be.
So the devs of Stadium decided that they didnt want any one rental pokemon to be significantly better than others. To balance this they gave the base forms powerful moves, mid forms mid moves and fully evolved weak moves. This meant (in theory), any pokemon was viable.
Except they didn't take into account that garbage movepools ruin anything and busted movepools can't really fix weak Pokemon. You had some good ones though. Jolteon in one of the cups has Thunderbolt while in other cases it's stuck with the unreliable but powerful Thunder and Jynx had usable dual-STAB (Psychic and though it's not the best, it gets Ice Punch).
@@ShiningJudgment666 No denying. Gen 1 was very buggy and limited. But we all have to start somewhere. The first Zelda wasn't a great game. How about Metroid? I think we need to look at the game through hindsight rather than comparing it to what we have now. I had it as a kid and it brought me hours of enjoyment. Me and my friends battling in full 3D with announcer VO...it was an incredible feat. Even WWE games at the time didn't have commentary or weight classes. So yes the game may have flaws...but for a new I.P. and from a dev most people had never even heard of that allowed you to connect a GB game to the N64 to enhance your experience and offer interactivity...I fully commend them for the effort. Especially when you look at the blandness and lack of risk modern gaming applies.
I 100% guarantee that Stadium would be the gen 1 competitive meta if they hadn't made the Hyper Beam change. The battle sims even keep things like sleep clause
Surpised Kingler didn't make the list. Compared with all the other waters it is slow, low base HP and Special. Only coverage move is Normal. It gets Substitute in Poke Cup but it has nothing to use to set up with after dropping the sub.
To add, iirc even with such low Special, Kingler has a good shot at 3hko'ing Snorlax with Crabhammer. Heck if the variant isn't Reflect, it also has the powerful Swords Dance + Hyper Beam/Body Slam combo to work off of. In rentals, Crabhammer + Normal move was all it really needs. And it gets it. Crabhammer + Stomp/Strength. Not the best by a mile, but Crabhammer just carries it past utter garbage to passable.
Honk shoo? Mimimimi gang seething! Love how you edited the data on the screen. Can't tell if you're lying about seismic toss and ghosts or not >_>; "I ran out of PP, so I struggled" is one of the biggest brain jokes I have ever heard! Poor Sandslash! I believe in you dear
It seems possible to me a pre-evolution is more preferred to its fully evolved counterpart. As I understand it, basic Pokémon have better moves in the rental system to help balance the stats. Idk, I'm no expert, but it would be interesting to note if any of the basics are preferred to this bottom 10 list.
My head cannon for attacks when I was younger was kinda like a rudimentary version of how it is now. It was based on what sounds right. So for example ele punches sound like physical moves so *obviously* they scaled with attack. You can't blame younger me though...its not like the taught that in school 😂
Switch Lickitung with Onyx and I agree. Lickitung has some of the best movepools in the game and it can actually do damage while tanking most Pokemon. It's only bad against fighting types, who are not good at all on this game
I'll never forget the time I tried to transfer my Blue Team to Stadium, only to get a very annoying, rude awakening. I got Mew fairly early thanks to the Teleport glitch. However, once I got my whole team up to Level 50, I learned that Stadium wouldn't let me use Mew. I had to waste time grinding up a Drowzee/Hypno. Why not Alakazam? Because I have a personal hang up about using the same mind as my in game Rival. Not sure why, but I just do. Lol
Should Hitmonlee be at this slot I feel like it is better than all entries 8,9,10? It has great attack and relatively good moves by stadium standards. Hitmonlee has low accuracy but it hits hard when it hits
If Hitmonchan had the special stat reflecting what he'd get in gen 2, it'd probably be pretty decent all things considered. Or heck if the Mega moves were fighting type instead things would be different... but man. A lot of Pokémon get done dirty in Stadium 1. Same with Stadium 2 because the devs showed no pity toward fully evolved Pokémon compared to their unevolved counter-parts.
Was wondering if you were going to mention competitive since Parasect being awful in general is (unfortunately) no surprise and Fighting and Bug types being garbage in Gen 1 is also well known amongst comp players. I don't play competitive Gen 1 but I know Rhydon is a big boi, so while it was surprising to see it on the list, the reason was to be expected. Stadium just loves giving Pokemon awful move sets. Of course they aren't going to make the rental Pokemon OP but when a Pokemon is stuck with shit like Metronome or OHKO moves, you start to question if the game was even meant to be beaten with a rental team...
The learnsets you get without TMs really don't do it justice. EQ and Rock Slide are all you really need on it in normal circumstances but Body Slam and the thick Substitutes it can put up really make it a great anti-Electric and physically defensive behemoth.
Rhydon being on the list is insane. Parasect is better than a Rhydon with STAB Earthquake? Strength isn't a great move, but it's going to hit decently hard running off of that Attack stat.
@@damianwarneke305 No, not AGAINST Parasect, as a rental Pokemon you use. This isn't about x vs. y, but instead "How do x and y perform in the same competitions?"
I think that the rule for only fully evolved pokemon isn't a good one, i was pretty sure that the pokemon with bad stats and earlier stages of pokemon get better IVs and EVs. Like how all 3 pokemon of the Abra line are usable, exept that Abra is a bit too fragile, and i think Paras is way better than Parasect.
And there's Alakazam with counter, a ridiculous choice since he is one of the fastest gen 1 pokemon, he is going to outspeeding almost everyone , so chances are the counter is always going to miss
Only quibble eith the video is ditto feels like cheating. Its in the magikarp/caterpie/weedle tier. anyway id love to see one of these about stadium 2, it should be hard to choose because theyre all awful
saying "It's normal type" like it's a bad thing in gen 1 is hurting me. Normal type in gen 1 is like...the best(or 2nd best depending of who you ask) type in the game. Having almost 0 weakness, good moves and being inmune to Body Slam paralysis is very good. Even in the rental situation, being Normal should be counted as a strong point.
My frustration comes not from Stadium because it gave us an opportunity to try almost every 'mon. Oh no. No, my frustration comes from bringing this feature back in Sword/Shield Crown Tundra's infinite raid run. The 'mons available are crap, there are few options, and we _can't_ bring our own that have been raised for this very kind of event.
We are the biggest competitive Pokemon Stadium rentals group out there! I have a tier list on my channel just in case you are interested :) very good video!
Bro this video is so fuckin funny i cant stop laughing, u have legit earned a sub from me just based on your jokes alone especially the Rhydon bits lol
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Fighting Types: "We would like a strong stab fighting move that is widespread"
Gen 1: "Best I can do is Submission."
If ONLY they made *Strength* a fighting type move.
I dont see why KARATE chop isn’t a fighting move smh…
@@dbz1064They at least changed it from Gen 2 onwards. Like Gust and SAND Attack being Normal
@@CMed14there's no point in making sand attack ground unless they really want to make flying types immune. Which I don't like, because I imagine sand attack including a bird making a bunch of wind that kicks sand up in the sky and blinds fliers (I think the cartoon has this with Pidgey).
@@CMed14and bite being changed to dark
it was funny playing this as a kid because I'd always assumed the rentals were the "ideal" or "optimal" pokemon, only to find myself sweeping as soon as I imported some of my own pokemon. You know, the ones with decent moves and decent IVs
As a kid I just didn't understand how the transfer pak worked and was scared I'd lose my pokemon to stadium so never used it 😭
"Seismic Toss can hit ghost types in gen 1"
I looked this up and it's true...Gotta love the Gen 1 weirdness.
Given that was my main fighting move before understanding the move effect, I also didn't know ghost was immune to fighting
And guess what for some reason struggle of all things cant hit ghost in gen 1
Gengar switches into a seismic toss from Chansey
Chansey switches out to Alakazam
Gengar uses counter to randomly smack Alakazam for 200 damage on the switch
Me: Huh
Also me: What do you mean counter counters the last confirmed hit on a pokemon!?
Almost makes Ash thinking it works on Brandon's Dusknoir with Charizard in having forgotten it doesn't work on ghost types seem more understandable why he thought it would work lol.
Just as like Night Shade hits normal types.
Tbh, moves with a set amount of damage (Sonicboom, Dragon Rage, Seismic Toss, Night Shade) also ignore immunities in gen 1.
The fully evolved Pokemon rule is not good tbh; Kadabra is a better rental than Alakazam in Stadium due to the Alakazam rental’s crap moveset.
Haunter is one of the best in the game
@@joshuawidener8407 They're both comparable to most fully evolved Pokemon in Gen 1 normally as is.
@@ShiningJudgment666 either way, the game is almost unplayable without using your own mons
@@joshuawidener8407 Pretty much. Rentals only is doable, but a lot of luck is needed. Using your own mons with actual movesets and more than likely better stats is definitely better though.
Rentals also have poor IVs on top of their stupid move pools
Some of them got okay IVs… The ones with bad base stat totals, like the first forms. This hilariously screws over Pokemon like Arcanine who has a high base stat total but simply isn’t very good due to a very subpar move pool and typing.
I’m pretty sure in prime cup you get stuck under leveled as well
@@Emcee_Coinnah all rentals in prime cup are 100. But they lack ivs and stat experience. now in gym leader castle…. If you enter Pokémon over level 50 (via Pokémon on your game cart) the castle will adjust to the level of the highest level Pokémon making the rentals even worse since they stay level 50
I swear they did this on purpose to make you wanna copy your actual good mons over 😭 NOT ALL OF US HAD THAT LUXURY THO
That's 100% the case.
Some of us don't even get that luxury today because there's no way to port in pokemon to stadium on the NSO service.
@@morphstarchangeling8024simply own the original hardware and your problems are solved.
I made it a mission to own all the hardware (n64, stadium 1&2, x2 gamepaks and all the gameboy cartridges)
Not sure how much it cost in total but it’s definitely worth it. Can’t wait to sweep my kids team to start my villain arc
That's true to an extent but it was also just an awkward attempt to balance the rental meta. Unevolved Pokemon were given stronger movesets to compensate for their stats, evolved Pokemon were given terrible movesets to undermine their stats. If the game were balanced around fully evolved stuff the rentals would likely be way more usable, it's pretty obvious they had an idea which moves would be actually good, but gotta make Charmeleon as good as Charizard
Its likely what they were trying to do was make all Pokemon able to compete against each other so that you could pick whatever you wanted from Rentals. So weaker and unevolved Pokemon get better moves while the stronger ones get weaker moves to put them all on equal power levels.
"You spit in rydons direction and it's 4 times effective!" That line killed me haha 😂
It killed Rhydon too
Poor Parasect. Hes a true warrior but i can understand his placement. Great video Dilldude!
Thanks a ton georgie
Didnt know hitmonlee only took 1 dagame from a missed high jump kick back in the day thats intresting
Oh for sure! Here i even pulled a clip in case anyone wants to see
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Dagame lol
Programming oversight but honestly, it's still not great.
"Its gen 1, i can say anything and youd believe me." Damn hes right, I would.
The best part about Pokemon Stadium rentals is the fact that you stop feeling bad when you remember your movesets of choice as a kid. Like... what were they thinking? I know that they wanted you to import your own pokemon but... COME ON.
Pretty cozy video though, not gonna lie.
Never understood how the jigglypuffs line is that everyone gets knocked out in ear shot of its singing. It shouldnt miss half the time, shouldve had a signature move called lullaby like the tcg with higher accuracy
Worst rental team% would be a weirdly specific playthrough I'd love to watch honestly :b
I would pair up hitmonchan with ditto. Spam ice punch until freeze, swap out to ditto, transform, ???, profit!
Hitmonchan is the greatest example of gen one fuckery if there's ever been one. 3 signature moves but one of the worst specials in the entire game, ok at best defense, no good fighting stab if it even learns a fighting type move, and has the title of being gen 1's worst fighting type by far. I don't think Gamefreak was even trying to cook when they made him. They just slapped stuff that sounded cool together and called it a day.
It learns submission but yeah
They're not even technically signature because Magmar, Electabuzz and Jynx learn them too.
Game Freak: We must apologize, we trained him wrong as a joke.
>Make Hitmonchan
>Give it the Gimmick of learning the elemental punches
>35 Special lol
I also found it weird how it is supposed to be the "defensive variant" of Hitmonchan but then it has 79 defense.
And with crap HP, it just dies slightly slower
Really surprised Onix wasn't anywhere on this list, not even Dishonorable Mentions.
Pathetic Attack power followed by getting OHKO'd by any Special move.
Onix was originally a Dishonorable mention, I wanted Dill to make it 6 dishonorable, because it's like a full party, but he decided to have it be 5
Onix is not great in rentals, but it has some saving graces that I think make it worth considering. It has an OK speed tier and access to explosion/selfdestruct in all three formats mentioned. It actually has the highest speed out of any of the rock-grounds, though that's not saying much since you still don't want to have it in against any fast water or ice type. But I think it's a lot better than the other mons on the list, since it can wall electrics and has the speed-tier to get at least SOMETHING done so long as you don't pit it against a Starmie or Alakazam.
Again, it's not super good or anything, but being rock-ground and having a decently fast Explosion button gives it some viability, though said Explosion is not super strong, you could weaken the mon and then revenge kill it with something faster.
I'd argue that something like Golem or Marowak is worse than Onix
Hitmonlee's job in Stadium is to revenge kill Snorlax and he does it perfectly.
When in doubt, kick It out.
You can blame Iwata as he was the lead programmer and fixed many of the bugs in Gen 1 battle system for Pokemon Stadium.
Well you can’t really blame him anymore.
RIP.
Well he also fixed all the shit the devs did in JPN PS1; the game clearly favors the AI; so much so that it was the devs who altered the games code to make the AI 50-80% luckier than any player could ever be. The most % the player will ever get is 15% crit rate in everything and any move that is 80% or below is 50% for the player and 90% of the AI. OHKO moves are 5% for the player, 50% for AI. Also AI has the 1/255 removed for them only. So a MUCH better amount of fixes of unfucking a game and fixing what needed fixed. Several reasons why the JP PS1 is viewed in such disfavor.
@8squared007
BRUH LMAO
@@Luckytarianism why the lmao?
What a stupid comment
Do the worst Pokémon Stadium 2 Rentals!!!!!!!!
I mean…. Hitmonchan has literally no moves in Gen 1. It just can’t do anything at all. What else could they do for it aside from laugh at it?
I mean
If you want to make a pokemon do SOMETHING in Gen 1, you could do something like sub+rest with maybe body slam, toxic, seismic toss... so that's kinda tbe end of the line for Hitmonchan, but, if anything should get the, uh, "privilege" of running such a set, it's Hitmonchan.
Imagine making a Pokemon based entirely on punching, and giving it _no_ punching moves it could use except maybe Mega Punch (worse Body Slam) and Comet Punch.
In fact, I have no idea why Mega Kick and Mega Punch weren't made into Fighting type moves. Low Kick was.
Or at least give Hitmonchan a signature move if Hitmonlee gets one.
@@christiancinnabars1402 It feels like the point was to give Hitmonchan the elemental punches as they seemed to pivot from the punch yokai with Jynx, but they lost the script at some point in development.
Ouch! I agree with Hitmonchan's placement. You made me realize how much Nintendo neglected Hitmonchan. It wasn't until gen 4 when Hintmonchan could actually use the elemental punches effectively.
"Spit in the direction of Rhydon and kill it because its 4 times effective"
You sir got my like and sub.
The worst part about Rental Beedrill is that it insults RBY playthrough Beedrill by comparison.
Beedrill getting StatEXP, Hyper Beam strats, and being super powerful against the hundreds of Poison-types in the RBY playthrough means it can be a real monster, and with StatEXP it can get the Speed to kill Psychic-types, too.
But with nerfed mechanics and shoddy stats as a Rental, Beedrill gets to drown. Just like half the Rentals in the game. Yikes lol
My favorite thing about stadium is that it can be classified as its own gen. Like gen 1 was fucked then they made gen 1.5 which unfucked alot of things in turn fucking many more things
Uh no, Beedrill was trash and wasn't useful until it got a mega
@@joshuawidener8407he said for a playthrough
@@yearzer0 yeah Beedrill sucked. In fact, if you wanna get to the nitty gritty, every team was basically the same anyways with trying to freeze Chansey for instance
@@yearzer0 any pokemon can be good in a playthrough, just depends on how patient you are. put away the beedrill, and start using that raticate if you don't want to spend more than a week playing the game.
It's funny when the second stage is better than the third stage just for having better moves despite worse stats.
I think we can all agree it was intentional, to round out the selection of useable mons.
I mean, even Smogon does a similar thing in ranbats, but by scaling levels. Even Sunflora is actually not totally horrible because its a crazy high level.
Though to be fair, the stronger middle stage Pokemon like Kadabra and Haunter are better than a lot of fully evolved Pokemon.
Disagree on Rhydon, it does not remotely belong on this list.
Yes, questionable movepool to say the least, but there are instances where you would pick it over rhyhorn or graveler, its stats are just that much of an upgrade.
Its stats really are the difference between ohko and 2hkos with dig/eq quite a few times.
Besides, you are rhydon, whats pidgeot gonna do to you anyway? You still beat most flying types with thunder anyway.
Rest of the list is pretty accurate.
The biggest knock on Rhydon is the fact there are a TON of Water types in Stadium's cups, and Rhydon being so slow is GOING to die. Its just not as valuable as you'd think because of its move pool. If it had rock slide on any of its sets, it would likely not have been on this list.
Also when dillon did his rental rando, he just died, so it's put on this list because of personal experience.
@@nerdstop5025 From my experience, Rydon deserves to be on the list because its such a big disappointment.
Seriously, you feel like you objectively should pick it, and then it just dies over and over.
But it kiiiinda technically isn't as bad as some? But its just feels bad.
Like, the one guy who has some trait that got them in your friend group but they're such an ass, they deserve to be called "the worst'
Picking rhydon made me win so many battles 2v3 because he just dies, he's a pick by standard, not by ability in stadium
It's a fully evolved list only so he didn't compare Rhydon to Rhyhorn or Graveler.
Rhydon is actually one of the better rentals
"Lets say you survive that Bubblebeam *which we knowww you didnt*"
Subscribed lol
Man I'm getting PTSD lol playing Pokemon Stadium as a kid with no Transfer Pak was definitely a time and some of my most frustrating memories as a gamer. But I can't lie, the euphoria of overcoming the odds, defeating the opponent as well as the RNG itself, was one of the most rewarding feelings ever. I was stuck on Sabrina for like 3 months and finally beat her one day after school when I was the only person home, which was probably a good thing because I yelled so much hahaha
I thought for sure that the top spot was going to be Omastar, Tangela, or Flareon or something, somehow I completely forgot about how awful Ditto was.
Conversely, I remember how Dragonair was an absolute beast. Depending on the mode it got a mix of fire/ice/electric coverage along with Slam and Dragon Rage I think? Just a solid pick all around.
i remember wanting this game as a kid so bad and then finally buying the game as an adult and just putting it down after an hour after because of the set
I mean just use your own pokemon.
That struggle joke 🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻
Seismic Toss? I believe you mean Seesmic Toss
“That’s a lot of kicks” well Hitmonlee IS known the KICKING fiend, and is categorized as the Kicking Pokémon.
Imaging a world where the elemental punches were special exceptions to pre split rules and transform completely healed the user after transformation and had +2 priority
Don't be sleeping on Hitmonlee, Hi Jump Kick hits like a truck! And should Ditto really count when it can only learn one move? Why would you even use Ditto on anything in the first place?
Hitmonlee is one of the best characters in all of Stadium. Having horrible defense is a balancing tool for a lot of these pokemon… the term glass canon exists for many top tiers across different game genres
So with the movesets that was there idea of balance. the pre evolved Pokemon would get the good moves. Like Charmander having fire blast/ flamethrower
"I'd pay to leave that match" lol
There are some not-fully-evolved pokemon that can outclass their fully evolved counterpart- I vaguely remember Graveler being one- So I think it moreso should've been limited to "max 1 per evolutionary family, pick the best of the line." This will *usually* be the fully evolved, but in some cases it won't be.
Yeah graveler has an excellent moveset
Kadabra is also one of them, having Psychic, Thunder Wave, and Recovee in one of the cups!
They did my boy Hitmonchan dirty in Gen 1 lol
He was one of my favorites as a kid. So disappointed when I tried to use him in Stadium.
They wanted you to use your own Pokemon in this game. That’s why it’s how it is.
Except a ton of people never had the transfer paks
@@dylancross1039 And there are good rental Pokémon to use. Probably my favorite of the rentals is Starmie.
So the devs of Stadium decided that they didnt want any one rental pokemon to be significantly better than others. To balance this they gave the base forms powerful moves, mid forms mid moves and fully evolved weak moves. This meant (in theory), any pokemon was viable.
Except they didn't take into account that garbage movepools ruin anything and busted movepools can't really fix weak Pokemon. You had some good ones though. Jolteon in one of the cups has Thunderbolt while in other cases it's stuck with the unreliable but powerful Thunder and Jynx had usable dual-STAB (Psychic and though it's not the best, it gets Ice Punch).
@@ShiningJudgment666 No denying. Gen 1 was very buggy and limited. But we all have to start somewhere. The first Zelda wasn't a great game. How about Metroid?
I think we need to look at the game through hindsight rather than comparing it to what we have now. I had it as a kid and it brought me hours of enjoyment. Me and my friends battling in full 3D with announcer VO...it was an incredible feat. Even WWE games at the time didn't have commentary or weight classes. So yes the game may have flaws...but for a new I.P. and from a dev most people had never even heard of that allowed you to connect a GB game to the N64 to enhance your experience and offer interactivity...I fully commend them for the effort. Especially when you look at the blandness and lack of risk modern gaming applies.
Nice bits, ur kinda funny
Now I'm a need Stadium 2 worst pokemon by Monday at 3 am, Est
😂😂😂 Seriously
Bro when I saw Rhydom moves, I said the My boy got massacred line, and loved that you did too😂😂😂
I 100% guarantee that Stadium would be the gen 1 competitive meta if they hadn't made the Hyper Beam change.
The battle sims even keep things like sleep clause
Lol nope
I've always wanted this video to be made
Right on time
So as a kid who loved fighting Pokémon this explains why I lost a lot.
Surpised Kingler didn't make the list. Compared with all the other waters it is slow, low base HP and Special. Only coverage move is Normal. It gets Substitute in Poke Cup but it has nothing to use to set up with after dropping the sub.
Because crabhammer always results in a crit in gen 1. That move is broken af and it 2 shots almost everything that doesn’t resist it.
To add, iirc even with such low Special, Kingler has a good shot at 3hko'ing Snorlax with Crabhammer. Heck if the variant isn't Reflect, it also has the powerful Swords Dance + Hyper Beam/Body Slam combo to work off of.
In rentals, Crabhammer + Normal move was all it really needs. And it gets it. Crabhammer + Stomp/Strength. Not the best by a mile, but Crabhammer just carries it past utter garbage to passable.
LOL! Okay, the bee puns . . fine . . . I'll subscribe.
Congrats on the alg bump, it loves top tens and pokemon
i like the circus sounding music played just for number one
Honk shoo? Mimimimi gang seething!
Love how you edited the data on the screen.
Can't tell if you're lying about seismic toss and ghosts or not >_>;
"I ran out of PP, so I struggled" is one of the biggest brain jokes I have ever heard!
Poor Sandslash! I believe in you dear
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The ditto glow up was real!
Set damage moves in gen 1 ignore type match-up. Nightshade hits Normal and Psychic types while Seismictoss hits Ghost type.
Oh yeah, lick doesn't hit psychics... and as far as i know, it's the only one to do that
It seems possible to me a pre-evolution is more preferred to its fully evolved counterpart. As I understand it, basic Pokémon have better moves in the rental system to help balance the stats.
Idk, I'm no expert, but it would be interesting to note if any of the basics are preferred to this bottom 10 list.
I'd love to see a "Top 10 best rental team" when you get the chance. Awesome vid!
All the fully evolved pokemon with very weak stab moves. Alakazam with confusion, arcanine with amber, that sort of thing.
Great video. L playing with rentals was always so hard ! I laughed a lot
My head cannon for attacks when I was younger was kinda like a rudimentary version of how it is now. It was based on what sounds right. So for example ele punches sound like physical moves so *obviously* they scaled with attack. You can't blame younger me though...its not like the taught that in school 😂
😂😂😂 this is great. I play a lot of stadium 2, and you’re right I’d believe about anything you say about gen 1
Switch Lickitung with Onyx and I agree. Lickitung has some of the best movepools in the game and it can actually do damage while tanking most Pokemon. It's only bad against fighting types, who are not good at all on this game
I'll never forget the time I tried to transfer my Blue Team to Stadium, only to get a very annoying, rude awakening. I got Mew fairly early thanks to the Teleport glitch. However, once I got my whole team up to Level 50, I learned that Stadium wouldn't let me use Mew. I had to waste time grinding up a Drowzee/Hypno. Why not Alakazam? Because I have a personal hang up about using the same mind as my in game Rival. Not sure why, but I just do. Lol
Should Hitmonlee be at this slot I feel like it is better than all entries 8,9,10? It has great attack and relatively good moves by stadium standards. Hitmonlee has low accuracy but it hits hard when it hits
If Hitmonchan had the special stat reflecting what he'd get in gen 2, it'd probably be pretty decent all things considered. Or heck if the Mega moves were fighting type instead things would be different... but man. A lot of Pokémon get done dirty in Stadium 1. Same with Stadium 2 because the devs showed no pity toward fully evolved Pokémon compared to their unevolved counter-parts.
Was wondering if you were going to mention competitive since Parasect being awful in general is (unfortunately) no surprise and Fighting and Bug types being garbage in Gen 1 is also well known amongst comp players. I don't play competitive Gen 1 but I know Rhydon is a big boi, so while it was surprising to see it on the list, the reason was to be expected. Stadium just loves giving Pokemon awful move sets. Of course they aren't going to make the rental Pokemon OP but when a Pokemon is stuck with shit like Metronome or OHKO moves, you start to question if the game was even meant to be beaten with a rental team...
The learnsets you get without TMs really don't do it justice. EQ and Rock Slide are all you really need on it in normal circumstances but Body Slam and the thick Substitutes it can put up really make it a great anti-Electric and physically defensive behemoth.
I loved working on this with you dill man! It turned out better than I imagined!
Really appreciate all your help putting stats together!
Some of these rentals are pretty good Pokémon if you catch them on one of the Gameboy games and use them on Pokémon Stadium.
I wonder how much better primeape would be with karate chop added to his moveset. In yellow, he could sweep just due to him having 100% crit with it.
Primape and Hitmonlee get blessed in Stadium 2 imo. I remember putting in serious work with those two.
To be fair, hyper beam was always supposed to recharge after a kill.
Ditto sucks in every part of Stadium. Except Mewtwo. He lets you play as him. Mewtwo has recover.
Parasect carried me through 98% of the game. And R2
Most of the Bugs is an acceptable answer because goodness, even normal can outclass it in some areas.
The truly sad thing with Submission on any Pokemon is even if you do hit with it you're taking recoil damage.
By far one of your best videos. Really enjoyed the shorter form video! Dillon with a Blankie, continue feeding me your wonderful slop plz
@@UofCWildcatPersonal keep your jaw open while i dump the slop in
This video makes me wanna play Pokémon stadium again
Looking forward to the Gen 2 version of this list!
Stadium 2's TOP 10 worst Mons next? 👀
Rhydon being on the list is insane. Parasect is better than a Rhydon with STAB Earthquake? Strength isn't a great move, but it's going to hit decently hard running off of that Attack stat.
Parasect is 4x resistant to Earthquake so yes
@@damianwarneke305 No, not AGAINST Parasect, as a rental Pokemon you use. This isn't about x vs. y, but instead "How do x and y perform in the same competitions?"
I think that the rule for only fully evolved pokemon isn't a good one, i was pretty sure that the pokemon with bad stats and earlier stages of pokemon get better IVs and EVs. Like how all 3 pokemon of the Abra line are usable, exept that Abra is a bit too fragile, and i think Paras is way better than Parasect.
So many of my beloved mons are on this list and it makes me sad lol but they're so bad
Rentals loves to ruin your favorites
And there's Alakazam with counter, a ridiculous choice since he is one of the fastest gen 1 pokemon, he is going to outspeeding almost everyone , so chances are the counter is always going to miss
Good vid bro! Funny too lol
Thank you! Im trying to branch out my content, glad you like it!
Only quibble eith the video is ditto feels like cheating. Its in the magikarp/caterpie/weedle tier.
anyway id love to see one of these about stadium 2, it should be hard to choose because theyre all awful
I’m so glad you made this list so I know what not to use lol
Begs the question does not mean raises the question.
Onix is pretty horrible too
Finally TH-cam recommended somethinG USEFUL
Welcome aboard friend!
12:38 Nice Majin Buu voice
0:57 "Only full evolved Pokemon" 7:23 "Hitmonlee" Since when Hitmonlee who later evolve into Hitmonchan is a fully evolved pokemon?
saying "It's normal type" like it's a bad thing in gen 1 is hurting me. Normal type in gen 1 is like...the best(or 2nd best depending of who you ask) type in the game. Having almost 0 weakness, good moves and being inmune to Body Slam paralysis is very good. Even in the rental situation, being Normal should be counted as a strong point.
I never realized that paras and parasect were the only pokemon to learn spore in gen 1! 😮
I mean who else could learn it
I would like to see your best even if other people have done it
No Onix in the Dishonorable Mentions? 😂
The magikarp snub just because they're not "fully evolved"
@@xEkard Malding ✅️
My frustration comes not from Stadium because it gave us an opportunity to try almost every 'mon. Oh no.
No, my frustration comes from bringing this feature back in Sword/Shield Crown Tundra's infinite raid run. The 'mons available are crap, there are few options, and we _can't_ bring our own that have been raised for this very kind of event.
Without SUS, ditto is so bad.
Hawk tuah, more like honk shoe
I loved to use Ditto here as a little kid, my family knew it was trash but I liked its ability.
Ditto is really good nowadays in a lot of ways
@@joshuawidener8407 I jumped ship at Gem 6 'cause X & Y was so bad.
@@Eficiente_VSB x and Y were perfectly fine. But ditto got a hidden ability that gave him the ability to auto transform and pumped up it's attack
What they did to Rhydon is unforgivable.
Also, I hope to see your stadium 2 list. Which might have to be way bigger
Rhydon? Strength hits hard enough. Dig equal to earthquake. Ai doesn't switch that often
We are the biggest competitive Pokemon Stadium rentals group out there! I have a tier list on my channel just in case you are interested :) very good video!
Bro this video is so fuckin funny i cant stop laughing, u have legit earned a sub from me just based on your jokes alone especially the Rhydon bits lol