Thank you Jonas, for all the humorous and informative videos you make on this serious topic. Greetings from Germany. And here is a working link on the book: b-ok.cc/book/5537241/851582 My Beloved Religion - and the Governing Body ISBN 978-82-92978-12-2
To be fair, the book is not free... The author is asking for $10 for it. It is just been released, to share a piracy link like this is kind of disrespectful. The publisher sends out the pdf to all that asks for it, but they will ask for $10 via PayPal to Awatu@online.no to cover his expenses and support his work. At least include that information when you share it...
I seriously could watch you and your goats for hours. You can tell how much they love and trust you. This was perfect even though your camera wasnt working. The ending was so funny 🙂👍📽 📷📱🧼❄❄🐐🐏🌨
As a raised-in exjw, I can attest to the fact that even sincerely questioning anything (by which I mean seeking answers beyond just blind acceptance, not in the sense of challenging any belief/doctrine) is regarded as criticism, and not tolerated…
Brother Rolf has this outstanding earthly knowledge and that's against the heuristic rule of the GB.He can write more books and expose the subtle art of GB..
His whole emotional existence will be destroyed by WT and they will blame, shame and shun him. I hope he has support and is not alone or he will be at risk mentally... Maybe when WT turn on him he will be emboldened to become a YT activist and a teller of TTATT... Please keep us informed Jonas. You goats sure do love you.. 🐐😷👍
Look Steann1., I think of it this way, he was a big shot in this evil org., for a long, long time ! So if and almost certainly they bury him alive so be it. Stop and think for a minute, how many innocent people did he share out a similar fate too? He’s nearly 80 years old, so maybe he’s having like Ray Franz a crisis of conscience time. Who knows ? I know one thing this org., is very wicked and until I actually see what is said, I may even be suspicious of this being some setup or a plot by the 8 popes in N.Y., we must see the book 📖.🤗
Thanks for the look back down memory lane! I remember when brother kevin Mcfree introduced me to the Shiny Bucket theology and I became a dedicated 144k follower. What a blessing it has been to serve god in this organization! 🐐😎👍
Good for him. He is going to be up against a lot. It’s not easy to always follow your heart and conscience but in the long run, it’s a lot easier than living a lie. I am looking forward to getting his book.
This is excellent news! Thank you for covering this story. This man has so much to lose, and it's very courageous of him to speak out. He's another Ray Franz. Funny he won't talk to apostates, and yet he is one.🤔😂
This shows us that we need to be patient with those who are not yet awakened, time will come and they will come running to find out what happened in their lives.
The main thing is he seems to be a honest person. We all wake up in stages and for some the curtain call comes to soon. He's been in a long time so it's understandable he hasn't processed it's total horse shite. Good fertilizer but not really good for anything else.
The nice thing about this book is that the elders who DF him would have to read his book to find evidence that he's deserving of disfellowshipping. lol.
Hello everyone! I was told that Dr. Rolf J. Furuli was ousted in the next few days. He lives in a small town in Norway called Larvik, locally Stavern. He has, as is well known, been a pillar of the Company Watchtower organization because of his academic capacity, and has been very loyal to the Company Watchtower. I've known him from when I was a young man. He was so good-natured, but at the same time naive and followed the Watchtower's teachings to the point. I feel for Furuli and he wife, they are probably having a hard time now. Carl Aage Andersen Kongsberg Norway
Carl hi! Would it be possible for you to ask Dr Furuli if he would listen to what Jehovah has given me to do? Or just listen to my story before deciding one way or another? It is about my knowledge that there is a man who has corrupted the JW organisation. I was told by Jehovah I would try to join an organisation but they would keep me out. I was told by Jehovah through the presence of a chosen messenger how this situation is judged. I know this is the time when our Messiah will come with His Saints to rule over earth as written in Rev. 5:9; 10. I know the true understanding of Revelation 12:5! It is as it reads a woman gives birth to a Son a Male etc.. I know this happened on Saturday June 4th 1971 at midnight. This is in fulfilment of Hebrews 1:6 "When he AGAIN brings His Firstborn into the inhabited earth". In that day when the Son of God was raised to his Father's throne he was called Immanuel as foretold in Matthew 1:22, 23 also read Genesis 49:10, 25 regarding Shiloh the Sceptre and the Commanders Staff to whom obedience of the peoples belongs. And vs 25 about two blessings needing further explanation. I was instructed to make contact with someone who will help me prove this to be true. If I am not the one to reveal this there must be another person in this world who must reveal that she was chosen to reveal and fulfil these scriptures. If you would do this for the Kingdom of God you will receive blessing in the judgment as will Jacob my Patriarch. What I have written must have attestation before our Messiah comes.
Carl Andersen I know they’re having a hard time right now. He just doesn’t know, how blessed he is to be truly out of that religion. I’ve been there too, and didn’t deserve it. They’ve been trying to get me back for over 40 years now. I just keep it moving forward and read and study the Bible myself. Right now, everything is fresh and hurts still. I’m going to be praying for him and his family to stay strong and still believe in our Elohim Yahuah, and his son Yahusha. Everything’s going to be alright!!
I just read about this elsewhere. Looking forward to reading his book. I'm glad you got to respectfully speak with each other. What's his future? We know what happened to Raymond Franz... Other JWs get thrown out for far lesser actions than Faruli. I truly wish him well during his journey. Many of us can empathise with him. He's got to do what he knows is right. Regards.
@Skjeren Kristjenson Same, I would definitely love to hear more. I knew a older CO who was an extraordinary man. He would hang out with us younger servants, tell hilarious jokes, watch movies with us, he would even text us from time to time to check on us - stuff our own elders would NEVER do. I felt like the CO I knew would've woken up a long time ago, because he seemed put people over policies, which was very anti-watchtower. Many of us truly loved that brother, and missed him when he got reassigned. After he left the circuit, every other CO was rough, pompous, or ignoramus.
Correction: As a JW you can criticize Jesus for sure, probably even Jehovah...but never, EVER the Governing Body! I remember Ralph Furuli he's the academic the JWs always roll out in defence of their doctrines. Look forward to reading this book.
Anna Twink, agreed. All anyone has to do is test that. Go to any elder or devoted JW and utter a variation of the following statements, and see which one gets you either “spiritual help” or immediate soft shunning and an apostasy judicial hearing; “I’m concerned Jehovah may not be Jesus’ father, so I’m not sure if I want to pray to Him”, “I’m struggling with Jesus being with me as he promised he would”, “You know brothers, I’m sort of doubting the existence of the Holy Spirit”, “Brothers, I love Jehovah and Jesus so much and I absolutely feel the power of God’s Spirt in my life, but I’m fairly certain the Governing Body are the not the appointed channel of communication for God and Christ”. You will NOT receive an apostasy hearing (not really a hearing, more like a prejudged hanging), for the first three statements unless you refuse to accept the organization’s current understanding of those issues or at least concede to “wait on Jehovah” (the organization) for clarification and teach the error in the meantime, or remain silent about your concerns. NEVER speak against the religion’s teaching. Curtains. Guaranteed. Test it.
Well he can't imagine his life without the organization and knows he will get backlash. BUT it hasn't happened yet. He will soon feel the wrath of his thoughts and realize all his years are worth nothing to them now.
Just finished reading it. Someone finally standing up to be counted. Very interesting to read that there has never been a faithful and discreet slave. Loved his comments about veneration of the GB. I grew up from birth in JW's and never had a clue or any interest in Nathan Knorr who was kingpin in those years. My opinion, its worth the download and the read. I found it hard to read the JW language structure. Written the same way all JW literature is. To the lowest common denominator. This is designed to be read by current JW's. It is a head on attack. Good on him for publishing what he believes. I enjoyed his ideas. Not a believer of course, but I would love to be a fly on the wall at his disfellowshipping.
On June 17, 2020, Furuli was disfellowshipped from the JW's via registered mail. The GB didn't have the guts to disfellowship Furuli via a judicial committee.
Well there goes any legitimacy in translation. He probably read the scrolls and discovered no human is supposed to be Lording over the others when it comes to the Bible. The Apostles and such were preachers and teachers of Christ, they weren’t rulers over anyone. The Hebrews weren’t originally set up to have a human King. (They asked for one) In the beginning no human King ... at the end, no human King. It returned to the way it was meant to be ... all humans are equal and are to decide for themselves what they ought to be doing. The good doctor is right ... so he’s definitely got to go.
Indeed. The only Governing Body back in the 1st century was the Sanhedrin--and we know which side THEY'RE on. The apostles never acknowledge a Governing Body of any kind. If there was one, why didn't Jesus address them in the letters to the seven congregations we read about in Revelation? The apostle Paul foretold a "man of lawlessness" that will "elevate" himself over all others: "Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship,* so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god ..." (2 Thess. 2:3, 4) The WTS says that this "man of lawlessness" is Christendom, but then how do they explain that this "man" is sitting down in the Temple of God? Paul defines what is the "temple of God": "Do you not know that YOU PEOPLE are God’s temple, and that the spirit of God dwells in you? . . . The temple of God is holy, which temple YOU PEOPLE ARE.” (1 Corinthians 3:16, 17) So, if the entire body of true Christians is the temple of God, then either we accept that Christendom, with its false teachings and traditions, is the temple of God or the WTS has misapplied this prophecy that is clearly proclaimed against those among God's own people. They've fulfilled this prophecy by claiming to be judged as the "faithful and discreet slave", which does not happen until the return of Christ. His return would mark the beginning of God's judgment upon all mankind, starting his people first. (Malachi 3:15) It also doesn't explain that even if they were judged back in 1918/1919, that doesn't explain how that translates to the current administration. All of those brothers that were alive back then have been dead for decades.
I definitely agree with your statement. I think same way. CRIST can put inside our brain and heart How to deal with each other equally. And how to divide and Manager all the earth sources equally... Crist has the imense power and capacity to do that for the faithful ones. Salms 37. I don't believe that we need a mind control organization to teach mankind. That wonderful job belongs to Crist. ONLY. Even if Crist appointed the 144.000 to help which I believe, and also agree 💯 Still they have to acting under Crist command. Why?? Because the way Crist will do his job. Is totally different from what WT is doing. Thank you.
🤗 WONDERFUL ❤️❤️❤️❤️🤸🏽♀️🤸🏽♀️🤸🏽♀️🤸🏽♀️🤸🏽♀️! I'm loving the news of another top rank's escape from that alco-trash 🍷🍾 WT disorganization!! THE 3RD ONE I'VE HEARD ABOUT SINCE LAST WEEK 😃👍🏽💯!!🤗 WHOOPIE!!!! Thanks, Jonas❤️
This man deserves a lot of thanks. Would LOVE if you did an interview with him. Want to thank him for all the hard work he put into helping the Norwegian government understand the truth about watchtower. Maybe a future convo???? 🤞
@@GoatlikePersonality He was in it a long time and I'm sure leaving isnt easy for him. I understand. No matter what his religious beliefs are I want him to know that his contributions are appreciated. He stood up when few around him probably did and I'm sure it cost him a lot. To me he represents the healthy middle ground that COULD exist with watchtower and the rest of sanity, ehem I mean humanity lol. If there were more JWs like him, if they did away with shunning, and protected children I would have very little against the organization. My only fight would be for getting religion out of politics but that's against every religion. At the very least, JWs would not feel singled out by me and you. I hope you both come to be on good terms with one another in time. He's always welcome amongst the exJW ranks even if he's just visiting lol. Hope you're doing well goatlike! Always look forward to your content and can't wait to hear from you. ☺️
@@jwallaby7895 He recently lost his JW wife and the service was at the lokal kingdom hall. I guess he attended his wifes funeral... it must have been akward and very very sad
@@GoatlikePersonality oh goodness. I feel awful for him. His position is so incomprehensible. Few would understand besides a couple people I'm aware of like Gregg Stafford but I don't know if they're in contact. I hope he knows that we're rooting for him. Actually I think I have his email. I'll just email him my condolences.
YES GOAT LIKE PERSONALITY I AGREE THAT HE HAS A UNIVERSITY DEGREE BUT THE GB DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THAT AS LONG AS HE USES THAT KNOWLEDGE TO FUTHER THE GB CAUSE ANOTHER THING TO THE GB IS NOT GOING TO LET HIM HAVE ALL THAT JW KNOWLEDGE HE GOT IN THE ORGANIZATION FOR FREE. THEY WILL FIND A WAY TO PUNISH HIM FOR WHAT HE KNOWS ABOUT THEM.
This is very interesting! Rolf Furuli has always been THE most respected and knowledgeable Watchtower apologist here in Norway, and has authored several books. However, in the late 90’s and early and late 2000’s, there was a zealous witness, Greg Stafford, who authored 3 books where he in academic (he did not have an academic background himself) terminology explained and favourably defended the Watchtowers doctrines: “Jehovah’s Witnesses defended. An Answer to Scolars and Critics” (1997, revised reissue 2009), and “Three Dissertations on the Teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses” (2002). In later years Stafford came to different conclusions about the religion, and created a website called Christian Witnesses of Jah, where he admits distancing himself from the Watchtower Society. As far as I know he has not officially been disfellowshipped, and his standing from the view of Watchtower, is one of SILENCE. If the book of Rolf Furuli comes out and where he also defends the WT doctrines, but at the same time presents some critical points towards the GB, he might not be disfellowshipped, but will probably experience a similar reaction to that of Stafford - silence! NOBODY, whatever standing in the org the author might have, or whatever praise he may give to the org, writes a book concerning the Watchtower Society without it bringing some ‘response’ from the WT leadership. Everything being released has to go through the official channels, and as far as I know, no private book release has ever been approved by the Org. In cases of the more academic and intellectual approach like Greg Stafford, James Penton and Rolf Furuli, the only and perhaps the ‘best’ strategy from WT is just to ‘SILENCE’ it all, because in these cases it’s a carefully balancing strategy, or perhaps - policy! James Penton however was ultimately disfellowshipped! Lets see what happens to Furuli!
Just realized that he survived the great tribulation and Armaguedon, he stayed. So, he is in paradise now, the new system of things, the new world order. He should be really happy! !
Whao! Furuli, a highly respected and somewhat famous JW - both in Norway and internationally - is publishing a book which is strongly critical of the governing body! He also argues against the current views on education and practices of disfellowshipping. Interesting, to say the least. What effect will it have? Will it stand any chance of being read and discussed among JWs? My old, hardcore JW father has known Furuli for half a century. I suspect he will not be happy with these news.
😮WAIT!?🙁WHAT!?🙂HE KNOWS HE WILL BE DISSFELLOWSHIPED!?😏 Thus his conscience is leading him. 👌Well I'm definitely going to read this. 👍 He sounds like a lovely and courageous man. Thank you Dr. Furuli.
Thanks mate for that info. Might rock a few of the sleeping drones. Bit like Ray Franz leaving. I will get the book. Beyond me to comprehend that anyone learning the cuneiform languages in their pursuit of knowlege, can ever walk away with an intact religious belief. Been there and done that, and came away knowing that I had been conned from birth onwards. Would like to meet this bloke. Maybe after his disfellowshipping, his thinking may clarify, and he might be agreeable to an interview either on or off camera, with you. I hope so, Jonas. Please keep an ear open to what happens next for him, if you can, and let us know how he gets on. Loved seeing the goats running around in the snow. I have never seen snow except in pictures😁 Thanks once again Jonas for a very interesting video.
It's sad how & what, in particular, his education consists in that he defends the watchtower's ridiculously laughable doctrines! Even before the internet age one educated in his background would have learned the TRUTH! 👍🏾❤️👍🏾❤️ it's the "shiny new bucket & what's inside" that keeps 'em coming back for more! 🤣😂😜😂
The small part I read in the forward he states he is very much moved by the abused and tossed aside and hurt ones the totalitarian GB edicts have left behind and not cared about. Anyone speaking out against that horrid mentality no matter what they believe biblically is an important step. Who cares what part of the Bible he believes, it's the victims getting noticed. Still have to read it but that caught my eye. So many of us have had life altering encounters and still live the pain of how we were treated when it really counted. I hope the book really speaks to this...
Congratulations to both of you, specially for him. Now the WTS and the GB will show the ugly side. That pack is enjoying the yummy branch.Lol. Best regards Jonas.🤗🙋♀️🇵🇷
Thank you dear Jonas. This is actually food at the proper time. I am finishing now the book " Russians Among Us" and was thinking what to read next. This book lands on my lap at the right time. I love history.🤓. Hello from rainy Florida ☂️🐬🐠🐠🐊🦀⛈
There is a saying: "A person should not be so heavenly minded that they are of no earthly good.” I believe that we ALL are intelligent beings, but not all of us have had the same opportunities or resources to thrive or achieve some of our dreams. But we ALL have common sense, regardless if we have a PhD or a HighSchool Diploma ... and I won't be part of an organization that would rather cover up child sexual abuse cases, and NOT get pedophiles arrested ... because the "brand" or The Watchtower" comes First. I ain't interested in this book, but I hope that this book includes a topic about the sexual abuse cases around the globe. I believe that the organization have enormous faults, and they must be exposed, and Not silenced.
Wow! If they would disfellowship him, doesn't that prove the GB has overstepped their boundaries? This man is a faithful JW and he sees how the org has fallen from favor.
Once he gets DFd then he'll really see who his friends are. His eyes will open more. He'll be a great asset to those that have awaken. Too bad he gave his youth to the Borg.
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Never underestimate the power of indoctrination; for being a smart guy he shows a surprising lack of critical thinking skills. He's still beholden to religious indoctrination. Sad really.
One brick at a time. It starts with the GB and ends with FDS being a farce. Give him credit for challenging them OPENLY whereas I don't see any others in the organization doing that.
Thank you Jonas for your insights on this Mr. Furuli. I remember seeing a couple quotes of his in the past magazines. I'm kind of amazed he even talked with you but it sounds like he's reaching some points of disillusionment and he's turning 78 years of age so there's perhaps less "risk" of him being disrespected because of his credentials and even if he's "disfellowshipped", perhaps he's reached the conclusion that it really doesn't have any more validity or "authority", power or control than what we were told to "give" the elders. And it's that "fear" that controlled us, that type of countenance and respect, is falling even in the eyes of Mr. Furuli, a very intelligent, scholarly JW who gradually has come to see the hypocrisy of all of this. Blessings to you, the Apostate goats and the Apostate silver bucket! Greetings from Wisconsin!
Thank you Jonas, for all the humorous and informative videos you make on this serious topic. Greetings from Germany.
And here is a working link on the book:
b-ok.cc/book/5537241/851582
My Beloved Religion - and the Governing Body
ISBN 978-82-92978-12-2
To be fair, the book is not free... The author is asking for $10 for it. It is just been released, to share a piracy link like this is kind of disrespectful.
The publisher sends out the pdf to all that asks for it, but they will ask for $10 via PayPal to Awatu@online.no to cover his expenses and support his work.
At least include that information when you share it...
I seriously could watch you and your goats for hours. You can tell how much they love and trust you. This was perfect even though your camera wasnt working. The ending was so funny 🙂👍📽 📷📱🧼❄❄🐐🐏🌨
As a raised-in exjw, I can attest to the fact that even sincerely questioning anything (by which I mean seeking answers beyond just blind acceptance, not in the sense of challenging any belief/doctrine) is regarded as criticism, and not tolerated…
Brother Rolf has this outstanding earthly knowledge and that's against the heuristic rule of the GB.He can write more books and expose the subtle art of GB..
Lets hope he does
Thank you for sharing your goats too, It something therapeutic about watch them.❤
His whole emotional existence will be destroyed by WT and they will blame, shame and shun him.
I hope he has support and is not alone or he will be at risk mentally...
Maybe when WT turn on him he will be emboldened to become a YT activist and a teller of TTATT...
Please keep us informed Jonas.
You goats sure do love you..
🐐😷👍
Look Steann1., I think of it this way, he was a big shot in this evil org., for a long, long time ! So if and almost certainly they bury him alive so be it. Stop and think for a minute, how many innocent people did he share out a similar fate too? He’s nearly 80 years old, so maybe he’s having like Ray Franz a crisis of conscience time. Who knows ? I know one thing this org., is very wicked and until I actually see what is said, I may even be suspicious of this being some setup or a plot by the 8 popes in N.Y., we must see the book 📖.🤗
That's awesome! This will be huge for our Ex JW community!
poor guy. now he's an "evil" apostate
Thanks for the look back down memory lane! I remember when brother kevin Mcfree introduced me to the Shiny Bucket theology and I became a dedicated 144k follower. What a blessing it has been to serve god in this organization! 🐐😎👍
He's waking up and doesn't even realize it yet.
Good for him. He is going to be up against a lot. It’s not easy to always follow your heart and conscience but in the long run, it’s a lot easier than living a lie. I am looking forward to getting his book.
Actually I'm happy for him, he is finally coming to his senses. Better late than never. A cult is never any good.
WOW doesn’t he realise that he is an apostate too. He has criticised the 8 demigods ....
This is excellent news! Thank you for covering this story. This man has so much to lose, and it's very courageous of him to speak out. He's another Ray Franz. Funny he won't talk to apostates, and yet he is one.🤔😂
This shows us that we need to be patient with those who are not yet awakened, time will come and they will come running to find out what happened in their lives.
In my heart, I know you are right....but I am finding it very difficult to have patience.
Tnx for yet another nice delivery. I will definitely buy, because Kim on their channel, have read some parts out. I can't wait.
Thanks for this important news event Jonas! Thank you for your work!
The main thing is he seems to be a honest person.
We all wake up in stages and for some the curtain call comes to soon.
He's been in a long time so it's understandable he hasn't processed it's total horse shite.
Good fertilizer but not really good for anything else.
Whether you agree with Furuli's research etc. or not, have to admire him for speaking up and taking a stand for his conscience.
"Octopope." I like that :)
The nice thing about this book is that the elders who DF him would have to read his book to find evidence that he's deserving of disfellowshipping. lol.
Every day the paper boy brings more.
"Pink Floyd"
Hello everyone! I was told that Dr. Rolf J. Furuli was ousted in the next few days. He lives in a small town in Norway called Larvik, locally Stavern. He has, as is well known, been a pillar of the Company Watchtower organization because of his academic capacity, and has been very loyal to the Company Watchtower. I've known him from when I was a young man. He was so good-natured, but at the same time naive and followed the Watchtower's teachings to the point.
I feel for Furuli and he wife, they are probably having a hard time now.
Carl Aage Andersen
Kongsberg
Norway
Takk skal du ha
Carl hi! Would it be possible for you to ask Dr Furuli if he would listen to what Jehovah has given me to do? Or just listen to my story before deciding one way or another? It is about my knowledge that there is a man who has corrupted the JW organisation. I was told by Jehovah I would try to join an organisation but they would keep me out. I was told by Jehovah through the presence of a chosen messenger how this situation is judged. I know this is the time when our Messiah will come with His Saints to rule over earth as written in Rev. 5:9; 10. I know the true understanding of Revelation 12:5! It is as it reads a woman gives birth to a Son a Male etc.. I know this happened on Saturday June 4th 1971 at midnight.
This is in fulfilment of Hebrews 1:6 "When he AGAIN brings His Firstborn into the inhabited earth". In that day when the Son of God was raised to his Father's throne he was called Immanuel as foretold in Matthew 1:22, 23 also read Genesis 49:10, 25 regarding Shiloh the Sceptre and the Commanders Staff to whom obedience of the peoples belongs. And vs 25 about two blessings needing further explanation.
I was instructed to make contact with someone who will help me prove this to be true. If I am not the one to reveal this there must be another person in this world who must reveal that she was chosen to reveal and fulfil these scriptures. If you would do this for the Kingdom of God you will receive blessing in the judgment as will Jacob my Patriarch. What I have written must have attestation before our Messiah comes.
Carl Andersen I know they’re having a hard time right now. He just doesn’t know, how blessed he is to be truly out of that religion. I’ve been there too, and didn’t deserve it. They’ve been trying to get me back for over 40 years now. I just keep it moving forward and read and study the Bible myself. Right now, everything is fresh and hurts still. I’m going to be praying for him and his family to stay strong and still believe in our Elohim Yahuah, and his son Yahusha. Everything’s going to be alright!!
@@junedewar3551 rotflol!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Good job goatman.. looks fricken cold there, I shouldn’t complain about the cold in the winter here max of 18c here. I think I’m getting old.😢
I just read about this elsewhere. Looking forward to reading his book. I'm glad you got to respectfully speak with each other.
What's his future? We know what happened to Raymond Franz... Other JWs get thrown out for far lesser actions than Faruli. I truly wish him well during his journey. Many of us can empathise with him. He's got to do what he knows is right.
Regards.
Your brave my friend, if Watchtower doesn't get you , the goats will , looking forward to interview you
Never heard of him. As an Ex-CO I am very interested to hear more.
What is an ex co? Did you spend time in prison?
Goatlike Personality LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Ex Circuit Overseer
@@nomoresecrets3065 I was thinking correctional officer
Jay J we would love to hear your story! PLEASE share
@Skjeren Kristjenson Same, I would definitely love to hear more. I knew a older CO who was an extraordinary man. He would hang out with us younger servants, tell hilarious jokes, watch movies with us, he would even text us from time to time to check on us - stuff our own elders would NEVER do. I felt like the CO I knew would've woken up a long time ago, because he seemed put people over policies, which was very anti-watchtower. Many of us truly loved that brother, and missed him when he got reassigned. After he left the circuit, every other CO was rough, pompous, or ignoramus.
I don't get it. How can you still be a Jehovah's Witness but not agree with the Governing Body ?
Karen Peterman How could you be Jesus and still go to the temple?
How can you be the governing body but not agree with the bible?
Goatlike Personality Because they have made the word of God invalid with their own rules.
Goatlike Personality - They will say Jesus sent them new light. 🤣
Maybe he is PIMO now (Physically In, Mentally Out).
Correction: As a JW you can criticize Jesus for sure, probably even Jehovah...but never, EVER the Governing Body! I remember Ralph Furuli he's the academic the JWs always roll out in defence of their doctrines. Look forward to reading this book.
SBN 978-82-92978-12-2 is a story ...
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Anna Twink, agreed. All anyone has to do is test that. Go to any elder or devoted JW and utter a variation of the following statements, and see which one gets you either “spiritual help” or immediate soft shunning and an apostasy judicial hearing; “I’m concerned Jehovah may not be Jesus’ father, so I’m not sure if I want to pray to Him”, “I’m struggling with Jesus being with me as he promised he would”, “You know brothers, I’m sort of doubting the existence of the Holy Spirit”, “Brothers, I love Jehovah and Jesus so much and I absolutely feel the power of God’s Spirt in my life, but I’m fairly certain the Governing Body are the not the appointed channel of communication for God and Christ”. You will NOT receive an apostasy hearing (not really a hearing, more like a prejudged hanging), for the first three statements unless you refuse to accept the organization’s current understanding of those issues or at least concede to “wait on Jehovah” (the organization) for clarification and teach the error in the meantime, or remain silent about your concerns. NEVER speak against the religion’s teaching. Curtains. Guaranteed. Test it.
@@jamesjourneyman9903 Yep... 🤔
Hats off to this man losing it all to do right thing just like Ray Franz! What woke me up to WT was unchristian policies of GB!
At the end of the video it seems that the goats disfellowshiped goat-like for not providing enough spiritual food.
Good thing his heart is in the right place, his chest.
He won't be a JW For much longer if he is promoting a book that criticises the GB.
Love the "Octopope" designation! Well played. 😁
In the 70's it was an Octeenopope for a time
I never heard either about him.
Well he can't imagine his life without the organization and knows he will get backlash. BUT it hasn't happened yet. He will soon feel the wrath of his thoughts and realize all his years are worth nothing to them now.
This man is about to be Ray Franzed so hard
Perhaps he's having a Crisis of Conscience.
The most dangerous thing in the world is an Educated person who is a religious fanatic.
Just finished reading it. Someone finally standing up to be counted. Very interesting to read that there has never been a faithful and discreet slave. Loved his comments about veneration of the GB.
I grew up from birth in JW's and never had a clue or any interest in Nathan Knorr who was kingpin in those years.
My opinion, its worth the download and the read.
I found it hard to read the JW language structure. Written the same way all JW literature is. To the lowest common denominator.
This is designed to be read by current JW's. It is a head on attack. Good on him for publishing what he believes. I enjoyed his ideas. Not a believer of course, but I would love to be a fly on the wall at his disfellowshipping.
On June 17, 2020, Furuli was disfellowshipped from the JW's via registered mail. The GB didn't have the guts to disfellowship Furuli via a judicial committee.
Can't wait to read it. Hats off to him.
You can probably order it already... I have many contacts that read it... i guess its available
Nice Video Jonas he probably considers himself a JW But NOT a Watchtower JW big difference!!!
You and your goats crack me up! It is highly important to have a great sense of humor.
Well there goes any legitimacy in translation. He probably read the scrolls and discovered no human is supposed to be Lording over the others when it comes to the Bible. The Apostles and such were preachers and teachers of Christ, they weren’t rulers over anyone.
The Hebrews weren’t originally set up to have a human King. (They asked for one) In the beginning no human King ... at the end, no human King. It returned to the way it was meant to be ... all humans are equal and are to decide for themselves what they ought to be doing.
The good doctor is right ... so he’s definitely got to go.
Indeed. The only Governing Body back in the 1st century was the Sanhedrin--and we know which side THEY'RE on. The apostles never acknowledge a Governing Body of any kind. If there was one, why didn't Jesus address them in the letters to the seven congregations we read about in Revelation?
The apostle Paul foretold a "man of lawlessness" that will "elevate" himself over all others: "Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship,* so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god ..." (2 Thess. 2:3, 4)
The WTS says that this "man of lawlessness" is Christendom, but then how do they explain that this "man" is sitting down in the Temple of God? Paul defines what is the "temple of God": "Do you not know that YOU PEOPLE are God’s temple, and that the spirit of God dwells in you? . . . The temple of God is holy, which temple YOU PEOPLE ARE.” (1 Corinthians 3:16, 17)
So, if the entire body of true Christians is the temple of God, then either we accept that Christendom, with its false teachings and traditions, is the temple of God or the WTS has misapplied this prophecy that is clearly proclaimed against those among God's own people. They've fulfilled this prophecy by claiming to be judged as the "faithful and discreet slave", which does not happen until the return of Christ. His return would mark the beginning of God's judgment upon all mankind, starting his people first. (Malachi 3:15)
It also doesn't explain that even if they were judged back in 1918/1919, that doesn't explain how that translates to the current administration. All of those brothers that were alive back then have been dead for decades.
I definitely agree with your statement.
I think same way.
CRIST can put inside our brain and heart
How to deal with each other equally.
And how to divide and Manager all the earth sources equally...
Crist has the imense power and capacity to do that for the faithful ones.
Salms 37.
I don't believe that we need a mind control organization to teach mankind.
That wonderful job belongs to Crist.
ONLY.
Even if Crist appointed the 144.000 to help which I believe, and also agree 💯
Still they have to acting under Crist command.
Why??
Because the way Crist will do his job.
Is totally different from what WT is doing.
Thank you.
This is good. We need different flavors of apostasy. It really helps people to realize that Watchtower's stereotypes of apostates are incorrect.
This could be another good moment for another nail in the BORG
Are the goats clamoring for food at the proper time in the closing blooper?😊🤭🤗
Thanks for sharing Jonas.
You are welcome. I have some letters from him that I am making a rebuttal on right now.
🤗 WONDERFUL ❤️❤️❤️❤️🤸🏽♀️🤸🏽♀️🤸🏽♀️🤸🏽♀️🤸🏽♀️! I'm loving the news of another top rank's escape from that alco-trash 🍷🍾 WT disorganization!! THE 3RD ONE I'VE HEARD ABOUT SINCE LAST WEEK 😃👍🏽💯!!🤗 WHOOPIE!!!! Thanks, Jonas❤️
I hope to see this book boosted by other ExJW channels too. Thanks for highlighting it!
This man deserves a lot of thanks. Would LOVE if you did an interview with him. Want to thank him for all the hard work he put into helping the Norwegian government understand the truth about watchtower. Maybe a future convo???? 🤞
I askes him and he said no. He is still a beliving jw and he tried to convince me to go back before armageddon
@@GoatlikePersonality He was in it a long time and I'm sure leaving isnt easy for him. I understand. No matter what his religious beliefs are I want him to know that his contributions are appreciated. He stood up when few around him probably did and I'm sure it cost him a lot.
To me he represents the healthy middle ground that COULD exist with watchtower and the rest of sanity, ehem I mean humanity lol. If there were more JWs like him, if they did away with shunning, and protected children I would have very little against the organization. My only fight would be for getting religion out of politics but that's against every religion. At the very least, JWs would not feel singled out by me and you. I hope you both come to be on good terms with one another in time. He's always welcome amongst the exJW ranks even if he's just visiting lol. Hope you're doing well goatlike! Always look forward to your content and can't wait to hear from you. ☺️
@@jwallaby7895 He recently lost his JW wife and the service was at the lokal kingdom hall. I guess he attended his wifes funeral... it must have been akward and very very sad
@@GoatlikePersonality oh goodness. I feel awful for him. His position is so incomprehensible. Few would understand besides a couple people I'm aware of like Gregg Stafford but I don't know if they're in contact. I hope he knows that we're rooting for him. Actually I think I have his email. I'll just email him my condolences.
YES GOAT LIKE PERSONALITY I AGREE THAT HE HAS A UNIVERSITY DEGREE BUT THE GB DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THAT AS LONG AS HE USES THAT KNOWLEDGE TO FUTHER THE GB CAUSE ANOTHER THING TO THE GB IS NOT GOING TO LET HIM HAVE ALL THAT JW KNOWLEDGE HE GOT IN THE ORGANIZATION FOR FREE. THEY WILL FIND A WAY TO PUNISH HIM FOR WHAT HE KNOWS ABOUT THEM.
"The Octopope". Sounds like a great horror flick!
Gee. I hope there's no "window washing" accidents. You know what I mean, Guido?
No, i dont understand
This is very interesting! Rolf Furuli has always been THE most respected and knowledgeable Watchtower apologist here in Norway, and has authored several books.
However, in the late 90’s and early and late 2000’s, there was a zealous witness, Greg Stafford, who authored 3 books where he in academic (he did not have an academic background himself) terminology explained and favourably defended the Watchtowers doctrines: “Jehovah’s Witnesses defended. An Answer to Scolars and Critics” (1997, revised reissue 2009), and “Three Dissertations on the Teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses” (2002).
In later years Stafford came to different conclusions about the religion, and created a website called Christian Witnesses of Jah, where he admits distancing himself from the Watchtower Society. As far as I know he has not officially been disfellowshipped, and his standing from the view of Watchtower, is one of SILENCE.
If the book of Rolf Furuli comes out and where he also defends the WT doctrines, but at the same time presents some critical points towards the GB, he might not be disfellowshipped, but will probably experience a similar reaction to that of Stafford - silence! NOBODY, whatever standing in the org the author might have, or whatever praise he may give to the org, writes a book concerning the Watchtower Society without it bringing some ‘response’ from the WT leadership. Everything being released has to go through the official channels, and as far as I know, no private book release has ever been approved by the Org.
In cases of the more academic and intellectual approach like Greg Stafford, James Penton and Rolf Furuli, the only and perhaps the ‘best’ strategy from WT is just to ‘SILENCE’ it all, because in these cases it’s a carefully balancing strategy, or perhaps - policy! James Penton however was ultimately disfellowshipped! Lets see what happens to Furuli!
This would only work if Furuli keeps quiet. And that will not work with hundreds of apostates quoting him online
Just realized that he survived the great tribulation and Armaguedon, he stayed. So, he is in paradise now, the new system of things, the new world order. He should be really happy! !
1975, that was it / if you are not an hypocrite!
Thank you so much for such awesome information. Your goats are so beautiful. Be well and stay safe.
OMG ,the end is HILARIOUS !!! It's like "Goatlike Food" !!!!! Hahahaha 😂😭🤣
Whao! Furuli, a highly respected and somewhat famous JW - both in Norway and internationally - is publishing a book which is strongly critical of the governing body! He also argues against the current views on education and practices of disfellowshipping. Interesting, to say the least. What effect will it have? Will it stand any chance of being read and discussed among JWs? My old, hardcore JW father has known Furuli for half a century. I suspect he will not be happy with these news.
It would definitely have to be read by any elders that form a JC against him. It's a good way to share TTATT with elders. lol.
I've never heard of him, but with that book, he might as well of sent a disassociation letter straight to the Governing Body.
😮WAIT!?🙁WHAT!?🙂HE KNOWS HE WILL BE DISSFELLOWSHIPED!?😏 Thus his conscience is leading him. 👌Well I'm definitely going to read this. 👍 He sounds like a lovely and courageous man. Thank you Dr. Furuli.
Thanks mate for that info.
Might rock a few of the sleeping drones. Bit like Ray Franz leaving.
I will get the book. Beyond me to comprehend that anyone learning the cuneiform languages in their pursuit of knowlege, can ever walk away with an intact religious belief.
Been there and done that, and came away knowing that I had been conned from birth onwards.
Would like to meet this bloke.
Maybe after his disfellowshipping, his thinking may clarify, and he might be agreeable to an interview either on or off camera, with you. I hope so, Jonas.
Please keep an ear open to what happens next for him, if you can, and let us know how he gets on.
Loved seeing the goats running around in the snow. I have never seen snow except in pictures😁
Thanks once again Jonas for a very interesting video.
It's sad how & what, in particular, his education consists in that he defends the watchtower's ridiculously laughable doctrines! Even before the internet age one educated in his background would have learned the TRUTH! 👍🏾❤️👍🏾❤️ it's the "shiny new bucket & what's inside" that keeps 'em coming back for more! 🤣😂😜😂
Lovely video. And loved the goats.
This is an honest question. Did y'all discuss his thinking on the blood issue? Just curious since he's a scholar and very educated in linguistics.
I dont know. But i think he stands with the governing body when it comes to the blood
The small part I read in the forward he states he is very much moved by the abused and tossed aside and hurt ones the totalitarian GB edicts have left behind and not cared about. Anyone speaking out against that horrid mentality no matter what they believe biblically is an important step. Who cares what part of the Bible he believes, it's the victims getting noticed.
Still have to read it but that caught my eye. So many of us have had life altering encounters and still live the pain of how we were treated when it really counted. I hope the book really speaks to this...
Thank you for sharing his story. Keep up the good work!!! And keep them goats under control 😂😂😂
Congratulations to both of you, specially for him. Now the WTS and the GB will show the ugly side. That pack is enjoying the yummy branch.Lol. Best regards Jonas.🤗🙋♀️🇵🇷
Love the video. Thanks
Thank you dear Jonas. This is actually food at the proper time. I am finishing now the book " Russians Among Us" and was thinking what to read next. This book lands on my lap at the right time. I love history.🤓. Hello from rainy Florida ☂️🐬🐠🐠🐊🦀⛈
There is a saying: "A person should not be so heavenly minded that they are of no earthly good.” I believe that we ALL are intelligent beings, but not all of us have had the same opportunities or resources to thrive or achieve some of our dreams. But we ALL have common sense, regardless if we have a PhD or a HighSchool Diploma ... and I won't be part of an organization that would rather cover up child sexual abuse cases, and NOT get pedophiles arrested ... because the "brand" or The Watchtower" comes First. I ain't interested in this book, but I hope that this book includes a topic about the sexual abuse cases around the globe. I believe that the organization have enormous faults, and they must be exposed, and Not silenced.
This professor would not be disfellorshipped because the GB does not touch famous people.
Lets make him more famous by reading the book
Wow! If they would disfellowship him, doesn't that prove the GB has overstepped their boundaries? This man is a faithful JW and he sees how the org has fallen from favor.
Subsequently, on June 17, 2020 he was disfellowshipped from the denomination.
You get better every video man. To see you and the goats 🐐 is awesome
I won't read the book either, because i no longer believe in borganized religion either. Cheers!
Was the the Borgon in Star trek? Was he not killed by the continuum collapse in episode 9 of the Borg series? When did he start a religion?
Agreed. Religion is a divisive and corrupt method of mass mind control...
Shiny buckets; good!
I LOVE that name for the GB-The Octopope 😂 but so true
Once he gets DFd then he'll really see who his friends are. His eyes will open more. He'll be a great asset to those that have awaken. Too bad he gave his youth to the Borg.
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Thanks Jonas Great Job 👍
Norway has had a healthy heretic per publisher ratio over the years. Jehovah has been blessing Norway. I remember Kent S. and I met Jan and Kirsten H.
I never meet them in person. But I am friends with some of them on FB. (Thanx for commenting)
The scribe and pharisees attitude was similar of those of the governing body the bible highlight something obey God as ruler rather than men
Definitely looking forward to this.
According to the new handbook, they will probably say that Furuly was "unruly". That's a nice broad paintbrush for those lazy NotSeez..
“OCTOPOPE” brilliant!!! 🤣
Awesome!!
If he knows Greek, then he has known for a while how they change the words, and add words hes guilty!
Never underestimate the power of indoctrination; for being a smart guy he shows a surprising lack of critical thinking skills. He's still beholden to religious indoctrination. Sad really.
One brick at a time. It starts with the GB and ends with FDS being a farce. Give him credit for challenging them OPENLY whereas I don't see any others in the organization doing that.
Most of the book sales will be from the apostates
That ending is hilarious 🤣😂
Nice work frend !!!!Thanks
he physically out mentally in still
we are the watchwower. we are the begaining. the end. the ones that is many. we bring order to chaos.
What is ' begaining'?
@@bggracekelly before adam and eve.
this is the best information..
Thank you Jonas for your insights on this Mr. Furuli. I remember seeing a couple quotes of his in the past magazines. I'm kind of amazed he even talked with you but it sounds like he's reaching some points of disillusionment and he's turning 78 years of age so there's perhaps less "risk" of him being disrespected because of his credentials and even if he's "disfellowshipped", perhaps he's reached the conclusion that it really doesn't have any more validity or "authority", power or control than what we were told to "give" the elders. And it's that "fear" that controlled us, that type of countenance and respect, is falling even in the eyes of Mr. Furuli, a very intelligent, scholarly JW who gradually has come to see the hypocrisy of all of this. Blessings to you, the Apostate goats and the Apostate silver bucket! Greetings from Wisconsin!
Your goats are beautiful!
It's available to download.
Being a nice guy will get a person in hell
I don't understand how and why he is so complicated?
I like the apostate goats at the end!