STONE OF SCONE FACTS | Stone of Destiny history | What is the coronation stone? | History Calling
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- Get ready for some STONE OF SCONE facts in this week’s video from History Calling, as we look at this famous rock (also known as the Stone of Destiny) upon which so many Scottish, England and British monarchs have been crowned. Currently housed in Edinburgh Castle along with the Scottish Crown Jewels (aka the Scottish Regalia, or Honours of Scotland), the stories around this stone’s origins are legion. Some claim it dates to Biblical times and is the same stone as that which Jacob used as a pillow at Bethel, mentioned in the book of Genesis. Others claim it came from Egypt and perhaps had a pit stop in Ireland on its travels. Its earliest confirmed location is medieval Scotland however, where it was used in the coronation ceremonies for Scotland’s Kings. That is until 1296 When King Edward I of England stole it and took it to London, where a special chair, known as St Edward’s Chair or the Coronation Chair was created to hold it. It stayed in England, almost without break for the next 700 years, where it was usually kept in Westminster Abbey and used in the coronations of dozens of monarchs. It has been attacked and broken by suffragettes, hidden from Nazi bombs, stolen by Scottish nationalists, and eventually returned to its ancient home in 1996. But what is the coronation stone and how many of the tales from the Stone of Destiny’s history can we really believe? What’s more, how do you pronounce Stone of Scone anyway? In this video to mark the coronation of Charles III, you’ll find out.
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Did you look up John Gray ?
Not yet. Just having dinner! :-)
It be belongs to the land from whence it came xxx
To answer your question above...Well if I was Indiana Jones, I'd say it belongs in a museum. :) But, I'd say it should stay home in Scotland.
@@Moebian73 I am Canadian. The Stone should remain in Scotland.
I’m English, and I’m personally in support of it being returned, and it’s nice that a compromise was reached with it being returned for future coronations. I feel that way about most artefacts of this kind, I think if they were taken without permission (in conquest or simply stolen) and their country of origin wants them back, most (if not all) of the time I’m all for doing so.
Yes, I think returns for coronations seems like a fair compromise.
I am sorry but at the end of the day it was stolen by a tyrant , and should have been given back no strings attached. 🤨
It was stolen by a tyrant and should never ever be returned to England. I am offended it is being used
@@jimdonaldson64 Well, I suppose James VI and I could have returned it, don’t you?
@@jimdonaldson64 I don’t disagree, I absolutely don’t believe strings were necessary or fair, I don’t personally know the details of the arrangement (like, who suggested it and how amicable the whole arrangement was) but I think that, after all this time, if both parties can agree on a compromise like this that’s enough to lay a situation to rest.
These are things I think, ideally, would be good for the people of both places to vote on and the outcome be calculated that way, but in the absence of that I think this is okay. Particularly since the monarch whose coronation it is *is* also the monarch of Scotland as of this time. The ethics of *that* are an entirely different conversation, but as it stands I can understand why it was set up this way.
I'm an American with no Scottish ancestry, but with a LOT of Enlish and Irish roots. The Stone was Scottish before it was taken; just because it was in England for hundreds of years does not change that fact nor it's importance to Scotland. It belong to Scotland and should remain there.
Hey there! I came across your comment and I just had to reach out and say hi. Your perspective really caught my attention and I would love to get to know you better. Would you be interested in chatting sometime? Looking forward to hearing back from you!
I’m Scottish and have always been baffled as to why it wasn’t returned sooner. It is part of our history and was legitimately stolen.
I suppose one of the arguments used was that from 1603 onwards the British monarchs have been descended from the Scottish Stuarts and so could legitimately claim ownership.
@@HistoryCalling by that logic, any of the English Crown Jewels /regalia from 1603 onwards could be claimed by Scotland…🤷🏼♀️
@@HistoryCalling the Stuarts didn’t own the stone though…
As a Scot, it does matter - the correct pronunciation is as you said it! And yes, the thieves were utter morons and I hold them in nothing but contempt. And lastly, of course it is correct Scotland got it back. Tis ours! Thanks for another great video!
Thank you. I'm glad I got it right. It bugs me when people mispronounce Northern Irish and Irish names too, but this one had my head spinning a little as there are so many options out there. I looked up a Scottish person saying it on TH-cam though.
@@HistoryCalling Are you Irish? I am a foreigner (Spaniard ) and I have noticed some peculiarities in your vowel system as opposed to the so called R.P. It is very slight ( for me, I'm not familiar with accents ), but I think it's there.
At least we still have a monarchy to crown.....
@@darransykes2540 Not sure if satire or no'. Difficult to tell these days.
@@CruzSanchezRipa She's definitely Irish, Northern Irish I think. Could be wrong on the latter, her accent is very soft.
Your passion for history is evident in this video. I’m a history lover from the USA. I definitely feel that it should have been returned when it was first agreed to. As many other items in history, it’s not the monetary “value” that creates so many emotions. It’s what it stands for, whether real or not , a.k.a.; Plymouth Rock!
Thanks Jeanne-Marie and you're right; some things are much more important that their price-tag might suggest.
@@HistoryCalling I agree about your channel! I too am a history lover (or, as most who know me say-NERD). I’ve always had this strong historical fascination, and you make your channel come alive! Not only do you separate fact and fiction-you tell it in a way that even a novice can get pulled into your rhythmic voice and interesting stories!
Is it a class 1 or 2
I feel like an appropriate joke to add here is the one about the Pyramids at Giza. Why are they still in Egypt? Because they were too heavy for the British to carry back to England. I'm glad that the Stone of Scone was at least able to find its way back to its homeland eventually.
Sad, but probably true. One of Egypt's mummies has even ended up here in the Ulster Museum.
@@HistoryCalling And a damn site more in the USA
As an Iranian-American who majored in European history, I have the utmost respect, love, and passion for history, especially from Iran and Europe - so this entire story of theft and vandalism just disgusted the crap outta me.
Great video, thank you.
I adored this video!! First of all: you go woman! Call out them destroyers of history. Second: the stone absolutely should’ve been returned to Scotland and far sooner than it did. It seems ludicrous to me to argue it should’ve stayed in Westminster because of its historical significance to the British monarchy. It was made significant to Britain through theft.
Haha, thanks Natalie. Yes, I have no patience with people who spoil history for everyone because it's the only way they can think of to get attention for themselves.
Local legend is that the stone is in fact Pictish in origin. There is a range of hills between Dundee and Perth named the Sidlaws, law being old Scots for hill, one of which is named The Kings Seat. This area was an important area in Pictish times with several hill forts, earth houses and carved stones known as Pictish stones in the area. The Pictish kings were crowned in this area of modern day Angus/Perthshire.
Fantastic video!! As a Scot, yes The Stone Of Destiny totally should've been returned to Scotland. It is ours, always has been and always will be.🏴🏴
Hello how're you doing?
I'm Irish, but a royalist (don't come for me 😂) and I support it being returned to Scotland. I think it should always have been that way, and would certainly have avoided the damage it has suffered by the vandals.
The passion in your voice over this matter was very evident 😊
May it travel safely back to Westminster for May 6th 🎉
If it was the actual stone it wouldn't be broken The earliest description of that stone sounds nothing like the stank cover Charlie will be sitting on😄
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You're not Irish
Do you dislike all Catholics? Or just Irish catholics. What about an American one? Just curious.
The stone was cracked when one of the suffregettes placed a nail bomb at the coronation chair which also damaged the chair. This common sandstone using the real stone of Destiny, Alexander II seals has the correct on it. The historical description was it was black, either a meteorite basalt or black granite and was intricately carved
As an American of Scottish, German, and English descent, I think it was correctly returned to Scotland. It was stolen, not given or sold. The passage of time isn’t a reason by itself to not do the right thing and return it. The compromise that allowed it to continue to be used in coronations means that its place in the history of both countries is honored.
I really appreciated how you countered the very common glorification of the thieves. You summed it up perfectly by pointing out how idiotic and entitled they were. It’s hard to forgive them for the damage they caused to centuries-old items. The people who carved their names into the chair also infuriate me. Sometimes I hate people.
Thanks Kathleen. Yes I think the compromise solution is the best one too. If it was a stone from the Giants' Causeway that had been nicked, I'd want it back in Northern Ireland for instance. Yes, those thieves really were morons, as are those who applaud them. I have no time for people like that.
The English took it, we took it back. The English stole everything they could get their hands on including countries! It was taken back and a copy returned by my friend. Scotland is NOT the same country.
Very appropriate considering the approaching coronation. Xxx thank you xxx
Oh yes, that's on purpose. Want to get everyone in the mood :-)
I'm an American, and I 100% believe it should have been returned (earlier). Maybe I'm just a Scottish sympathizer though? I totally feel like the Mary, Queen of Scots/Elizabeth thing should've played out different too 🤣.
On another note, I appreciated your candor in this video. You usually seem to try to keep opinions to yourself, but you didn't mince words over the thieves and vandals.
@acole56 Totally 💯 % agree with you on the Elizabeth I and Queen Mary of Scots ordeal 😊!
Thank you. Yes, I have no time for people who destroy history. There are so many things we'd know or have now if earlier generations had acted differently (Cromwell destroying the English crown jewels springs to mind, as do all the times I've read about people stealing body parts from famous dead people).
It’s now in New York
@@HistoryCalling - Please don’t get me started on Oliver Cromwell 🤦🏼♀️😠. A regicide that tried to commit genocide of the Irish people. Horrendous monster.
@@shayakasharon 🤣 Is it doing a 'world tour'
I've always felt the stone "belonged" in Scotland, although I think the current arrangement of it returning to Westminster Abbey for coronations is fair. And I'm English with Scottish (borders) roots
Yes, I think this seems like the best compromise too.
Fundamentally disagree particularly since most Scots are now anti-monarchy.
Hello caroline, how are you doing?
I’m Australian by birth, but Scottish by ancestry (my name is Stewart). I was glad to hear the stone had been returned to Scotland. I strongly believe that all artifacts of historical, cultural and artistic significance, that now reside in foreign countries, having been removed from their place of origin by way of conquest, should be returned to their country of origin.
Yes, I think that's the way the world is slowly moving now. I wonder how much longer all those Egyptian mummies in foreign museums will stay there?
Absolutely agree, the Australian Aborigines must be looking forward to getting their lands back at some point too.
Except in cases where the artefacts really cannot be looked after? War condition etc?
@@manuelhung7571 Just as aboriginal peoples all over the world would like that, but it's unlikely to ever happen.
@@HistoryCalling That's exactly what I was going to say. I bet theres loads of stuff stolen over the centuries and hidden away at the British Museum... Never mind what's being hidden at the Vattican...
This reminds me of my family's first big international trip when I was a kid - we saw the stone the year before it went back to Scotland. I remember feeling this odd sense of contrast between how magnificent Westminater Abbey's interior was and how beat up and vandalized the stone and the chair were. While I wouldn't defend the theft and vandalism, I do think the stone and chair have a lot of character after all that!
Yes, I understand what you mean. You can certainly see their story when you look at them.
Eric it is only the actual Stone of Scone that comes from Scotland not the wooden Throne.
@@carolmckellar2791 I thought the stone belonged to India or Africa or came from Mars.
Personally, I believe that the stone belongs in Scotland since that is where it originated. Since Scotland is governed by England, it makes sense that the stone travels for coronations and installations.
Haha, never say in Scotland that they're governed by England. :-)
@@HistoryCalling would they prefer being called a British annex?
@@princessjesstarca More like a colony, but with our own Parliament, albeit that our Government is severely restricted in what it can overlook. The fact is that the Scottish Parliament was never disbanded, but put in abeyance. That is why it was reopened.
England doesn't govern Scotland or anyone else. They are sovereign. If anything it's England that loses out. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales send MP's to Westminster but ALSO send MP's to their own parliaments/assemblies. They have 2 MP's. A luxury that the English don't have.
@@AV-fo5de gotcha! Thank you for explaining it to me! I’m aware of general history, but not the nuances that go with.
Canadian of English ancestry here. I am very glad that the Stone of Scone was returned to Scotland but will be used temporarily in coronations.
Yes, I think it's the best compromise they could have come up with too and you can actually get to see it much closer up in Edinburgh Castle (like literally a few inches away) and in better detail than you could if it was still in the coronation chair.
Edward I carried the coronation stone from Scone to Westminster to show that he intended to rule the country himself.But ironically , after that, James I-VI was crowned, where the stone of Scone was in London.Still, there are interesting legend surrounding this mystical stone that as king Edward I approached the place, the monks of Scone of Destiny hurriedly removed the stone of Destiny and hid it, replacing it with another stone of similar and shape. And it was this which the English King carried off in triumph back to London.Yes, I think the stone should have gone back to Scotland. Thank you for another of your great video !
Stone of Destiny,
Simple ... but it says it.
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Thanks Nancy :-)
Citizen of the US here, glad it was finally returned to Scotland!
My family and I saw the stone the day before it left the Abbey. At the time I didn’t realize how fortunate we were, although it gave me yet another reason to visit Edinburgh .🎉
As an Australian of Scots descent I am glad the Stone has gone back to Scotland. It was taken by Edward as a prize of war and to make the point that, by being crowned on the Stone, he also considered himself to be the legitimate (in his eyes) true king of the Scots as well as that of England.
One legend of the Stone (that I would love to be true) is that Edward did not get the true Stone and that it remains hidden in Scotland still. According to the story, the Abbott got wind of Edward's intention to take the stone and replaced it with a piece of sandstone from the kirk yard. The original stone was hidden away and thus was available to Robert the Bruce for his coronation. If true he was the last king of Scotland to be crowned on the Stone.
You have provided sound and cogent arguments why this story cannot be correct; there would have been too many people at the time who knew the true appearance to allow a fake to be passed to Edward without making him aware of the switch.
Yes Jeff I read that too and that each Abbot at each monastery used a special stone seat for important official duties at times. Dont exactly know how true this was though.
It's still a fun story though, even if don't think it's true :-)
I use both "Scoon" and "Scone* (rhymes with."stone") depending on the context.
First Edward I was invited to Scotland, I think this needs to be made clear, to adjudicate between various Scottish claimants. Because of the political situation he made the decision that he would take the throne and unite the kingdoms.
He was quite a benevolent king. He and his father had fought the Second Barons War and had agreed to the parliament we know today, from around 1265.
He and his brother Edmund, the first Earl of Lancaster, are quite heroes of mine.
Please note the depiction of Millicent Fawcett is puzzling. She was a suffragist really not a suffragette, used constitutional methods and deplored criminal acts.
Being English I have no dispute about the Scots keeping it so long as the British monarch is allowed to borrow it for the coronation.
The abbot of Westminster might take a different view. Since the Reformation the Abbey is now a royal peculiar like the Savoy Chapel on the site of John of Gaunt's Palace, so the ownership is now with the monarch.
In Scotland, Edward is NOT looked upon as benevolent. His actions against the Scottish people. Being Invited is an apologetic comment . He had imposed many things upon the Scottish people and appointed his own vassal as "King". The monks knew that he was advancing on Scone and hurriedly had a stone cut out of the local sandstone, hiding the real stone. The original was kept hidden. It was reported to be of basalt, and carved with some images. Several ancient organisations are said to have preserved it - and still protect it.
So exciting! I’ve taught Macbeth for 40 years and this is just wonderful to show!
Thanks Sabine and I'm flattered that you would show my video to your students :-)
Should have never left Scotland but as history shows the English like to take what isn't theirs to begin with. And that part where you mention Elizabeth ll "loaning" it back to them made me chuckle. "Sure we stole it but you can borrow it." lol
She should have been Elizabeth I in Scotland, as we never had an Elizabeth before. England did.
Quite right. She was just Queen Elizabeth in Scotland. If I started talking about Elizabeth I though, I think people would get seriously confused.
Well I guess she was descended from the monarchs of Scotland as well though, so she could claim ownership in that way. Plus, she was half Scottish through her mother if that helps.
Timea I wouldnt say it's loaning really in my opinion we share The Stone, it usually resides in Scotland. It only goes down south to Westminster Abbey at Coronation times. Since Queen Elizabeth and The New King are descended from The Stuart Kings and Queens of old it's fine by me. It is nice to see others interested in the history of Scotland 😊
It's Scottish, of course. "We didn't think this big butt rock would be that heavy" is pretty funny.
I think the Stone obviously belongs in Scotland. I'm not even happy with the English claiming ownership of it. I've been to Scone and sat on the replica, of course. It's one of those places in the world where you can feel history all around you. I'm looking forward to watching the coronation in May - only debating whether I'm willing to blast myself out of bed in time to watch it live or settle for recording it. Thank you for another of your great videos!
Thanks Bev. I suppose from the monarch's point of view, they're now the King or Queen of Scotland too so they have a good claim to owning it and of course Elizabeth II was half Scottish and Charles a quarter, so I guess that helps. Yes, the coronation is going to be in the middle of the night for you in Colorado (which I believe is where Boulder is off the top of my head?)
@@HistoryCalling Yes, it's Boulder, Colorado. I've gotten up before, but I was younger then. In fact I bought my first TV back 1973 so I could watch the Princess Royal's wedding in my bedroom and not disturb the rest of the family. Yikes! Just saw that the actual ceremony starts at 3 am my time and that's not counting the procession. That's more like never going to bed territory.
@@bevinboulder5039 I'm down the turnpike from you, in Denver. The struggle is real! I'm setting the DVR just in case I snooze too late on the day. 🙂
When I didn’t realize what day it is and I see a HC video! Yay!! What a way to wake up!
Haha, thank you. Hope you enjoyed it :-)
Your content is always SO fascinating! I love your narration. Your voice is so calming. And your research is just impeccable, every single video teaches me so much, thank you for your valuable work!!!!
Thanks Hillery. That's very kind of you to say. I'm glad you enjoyed hearing about the stone.
I’m American and I have both Scot and English DNA 🧬 (about 50-50) I have always been an enthusiastic Anglophile and, know more English, British, UK 🇬🇧 history than I do of my own country 😊.
We know with as much certainty as is possible that King Edward “Longshanks” the so-called “Hammer of The Scots” stole it from Scotland. Then, of course, it belongs in Scotland 🏴. As for The Kings and Queens that need to have it for their coronation, I think that should be up to the Scots themselves. With calls to vote for Scots independence constantly coming up in the past and now, the Stone should remain in Scotland 🏴 and, not be moved back and forth. But, the Scots should have the final decision on the matter.
Hey there! I came across your comment and I just had to reach out and say hi. Your perspective really caught my attention and I would love to get to know you better. Would you be interested in chatting sometime? Looking forward to hearing back from you!
I love your passion!!! Being part Scottish (and Irish) myself, I love that your research is thorough! THANK YOU!!! 🙂
Thanks Sharon. I'm a good mix of Scottish and Irish myself, with a little bit of English and Welsh too, so I'm always invested in doing good research for my various countries (not that I throw my standards to the wind when looking at other countries of course).
Another wonderful video. I love your sense of humor, too. 😀. I laughed loudly enough to probably startle my neighbors.
Haha, thank you and I'm glad I made you laugh. History is sometimes funny (if you have the right perspective at least).
I'm a fourth-generation Canadian of equally mixed Scots and English ancestry. I think indigenous communities should have possession of their cultural heritage, and so I think it is both ethically and legally correct that the Stone should reside in the Scottish nation.
Yes, I think you're correct. It's terrible how indigenous/first nation communities have been treated all over the world by (usually) European immigrants.
👏👏 Even better on the second viewing, HC! There's always a lot of detail to digest so I often return to find what I missed. I think the Stone should be in Scotland although its inclusion in coronations seems right given its history. Thanks for another fun trip! Be well.🙏🏼
Thanks Stephen. Yes, the current compromise seems like the best way.
As someone from Sydney, Australia who has Scottish, Irish and English blood I don't care where it is kept, as long as it is secured and cared for so that future generations can view and enjoy it. Another fine and informative video from History Calling - many thanks again for interesting Saturday morning viewing (Sydney time)..... 😀
Well as a Scot I do care as it’s actually ours not Englands .
Fascinating. Thanks!
You're very welcome :-)
Excellent video, full of fascinating history. I'm glad you called out the vandals of 1950 as strongly as you did, too. I think the current arrangement, to stay in Scotland, but to be re-loaned to London for future coronations, is a very sensible compromise. I'd like the transfers between locations to be occasions for great ceremony and pomp, though!
Thanks Howard. Yes, I was so irritated when I saw how many people have glorified those thieves that I felt like I just had to point out how stupid and disrespectful they truly are/were. I'd have put them in prison.
@@HistoryCalling personally I would have done the same thing. Their collective butts should’ve been whipped up and booted into shape in a very long prison sentence. They desecrated several items of national importance and heritage. Their names should have been mud for their lifetimes.
@@HistoryCalling They were patriots of Scotland and demonstrated that whatever the English stole from Scotland would be returned to Scotland.Yes they were heroes God bless them.
I’m Scottish and while I am glad it is back in Scotland and recently saw the stone in Edinburgh, I also have no problem with it being used for the Coronation of Charles III because he is a descendant of the Stuart Kings. William and Harry have links to the Stuart King’s also through the Spencer as Charles II son, James Duke of Monmouth.
I’m from Texas, and the stone is definitely back home in Scotland…as it should have always been.
"Codswallop!"😅💖👍🏻
There really has been much ado over the stone through the years.. But when you think of its history and want of possessing it, it's made even more valuable!
I guess Mary l never got to sit on or above. She missed it!
To the victor goes the spoils. Fine. But it's rightful place to me, is Scotland.
You can't really swear without endangering monetisation, so I had to get creative :-)
@@HistoryCalling 🤣
I’m indigenous American, which I only emphasize to show I’m not at all connected to either country, I think it should have been returned to Scotland long before it was as it is such an important cultural monument. I do understand why it wasn’t returned earlier but I guess better late than never. The English do tend to struggle giving back stolen artifacts
Yes, this is true. We (meaning here in the UK) have gathered up a lot that isn't ours and I suspect much of it is going to have to go back to its country of origin over the next few decades. That certainly seems to be the way the wind is blowing.
I really love listening to your content! I have learned so much in the month or less since I first came across one of your Tudor videos!
Thank you so much :-) I hope you continue to enjoy them.
Thank you for giving us the background of the Stone of Scone! I’ve known about the stone for quite some time but didn’t know it’s backstory. I’m so glad that it was returned to Scotland! War trophies have no place in modern history and are a barbaric relic of times past when bloodshed and military aggression were considered to be noble rather than repugnant.
Thanks Monica. I didn't know that much about it either, but it certainly has a great story.
Just catching up with your videos. Another great one! I rarely hear you express such strong personal opinions about people, you are usually so refreshingly evidence based , balanced and fair. However, I absolutely love how passionately you decry the actions of the Scottish theives in the 50s. It's clear you have a respect for important historical artifacts thar these people did not.
Thanks for another great video!!
I am HERE for angry History Calling!!! The stone needs to go back!!!! I have Scottish ancestors who told stories that were passed down in family bibles. They wanted it back then and we do now.
It was returned on St. Andrew's Day, 1996.
Another fabulous episode 😊thank you so much for your amazing channel!!!❤😊❤
You're very welcome. Thank you for watching :-)
I believe the stone we got back was and is the original Stone of Scone. Pronounced as you say it. The thieves may have vandalised it in their efforts but at the same time, its symbolism will always be there as long as even a sand sized piece of the stone remains. Scotland will ensure its preservation with the pride it deserves ❤
Would you be willing to consider an episode about cloth of gold/silver? Not the event, the fabric, because I'm having trouble imagining based on descriptions. Thanks ;-))
What an interesting idea. I don't know if I could make a whole video on that, but perhaps I can work a description of it into another video?
So interesting. Thank you for your great research.
Fascinating! Thankyou so much for this video. 👏🏼👏🏼
You're welcome. It's certainly an interesting story.
Facinating! I always wanted to know more about this stone. I've heard many strange stories. Thanks for laying out the true story and info. Appreciate all you do.
Thanks David. Have a lovely weekend. :-)
Absolutely fascinating!
I learn something new with every episode.
Excellent. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I enjoyed making it as it was something new for me as well.
An American here (please don’t hold that against me.) I think the stone belongs in Scotland, and that the plan to use the stone for the upcoming coronation is good. That said, I’m a bit surprised that there doesn’t seem to be a component of the Coronation Ceremony that is held in Scotland, something including the stone. With numerous formal declarations made through the UK when Charles III was announced king, and with the numerous smaller ceremonies surrounding the funeral for Queen Elizabeth II, I had expected some smaller, coronation-related ceremonies in Scotland and Wales. Guess I’ll keep learning.
Yes, it is a little surprising to me too that there's no coronation in Scotland, but I suppose it's not a separate kingdom any more and you could argue that treating it as such might encourage the independence movement. On the other hand, you could also argue that giving it a more prominent role in ceremonies like the coronation would further solidify it as part of the UK. It's probably one of those unwinable arguments.
Very intelligent video, clear and precise. I vote it should stay in Scotland except for English coronations. I also think the Elgin Marbles should be returned to Greece. I am an American with Scottish, Irish and Welsh ancestors.
Edward declared that he was going to take the stone before doing so. It is therefore perfectly possible that there was time to hide the original. The fact that it is sandstone from an area between Perth and Dundee actually means that it could have been faked. Edward probably knew it was a fake but did not dare say so as this would have made him look foolish. He and the English who had seen it prior to this would have had to keep up the pretence and it is quite likely that the original looked very similar. Asking for it back just made sure that the original would remain safe. In medieval times with continuing wars between the nations it would maintain the illusion that the English crown was also the de facto king of Scots. Telling the English that they had a fake would create further attempts to take over. The hiding place of the original was in all probability lost within a few years of its hiding. To understand whether the stone is real or fake one has to attempt to understand the cultural make up of the medieval mind and the political landscape of the time.
Very enjoyable video. Well researched, clearly presented and nicely paced. I look forward to watching other videos on this channel.
Always insightful. Thank you.
I’m English and believe it should have never been stolen in the first place. I’m English but my Heart is and will always be Scottish through and through.
The King is to be crowned before the world sitting on a much vandalised Coronation Chair and a much vandalised Stone of Destiny. That's why I love history.
I’ve seen the stone up close at both Westminster Abbey and Edinburgh Castle. In fact the guard at Westminster offered to let me sit on it (I didn’t dare). But he did give my friend and I a chair to stand on to take really good, close-up photos. We were there during the weekday evensong service so it was relatively quiet. I saw it again a couple of years after it was moved to Scotland and I think I have photos of that too (not sure how as it’s supposedly not allowed). What struck me was how different the stone looked. I’m sure it was just lighting and the way it was displayed (I am not a conspiracy theorist). But in Westminster Abbey it looked grey while at Edinburgh Castle it looked sand-colored. Had I not known it was moved, I would have said they were different stones. I will say though that I much preferred Scotland’s reverential treatment of it, especially since England just decided to give it up without a fight. I’m American but my background is around 50% Scottish, 25% English, 25% Irish (ish-there’s some Scandinavian and a few other things mixed in as well).
This is fascinating, thank you!
As always, it's a great video.
Thanks Frances :-)
Another wonderfully interesting topic brought vividly to life by the scholarship we've all come to rely upon. Thanks for being part of my week every week. It seems that only pretty recently have we begun to treat other cultures and their history with any respect and regard. Let's hope the trend continues.
PS I anticipated you and took down my tacky Victoria joke, but unfortunately not before you'd seen it! Someday I'll grow up...maybe.
Hi from Ireland just found your channel this was so interesting and I loved your presentation
Thanks HC for another one of your trademark interesting, factually accurate and beautiful presentations. Really enjoyed watching it again.
In answer to this weeks question, in this day and age, Scotland should have possession of the stone and the agreement to send the stone to Westminster for future coronations is commendable.
Thanks again for all your efforts. 👍🏻
Thanks James. Yes, it seems like the best compromise to me too.
I first saw the Stone in Westminster Abbey in the mid 1980s , a real bucket list moment.
The second time i joined the crowds on the royal mile edinburgh to watch the procession of the stoneto Edinburgh Castle (cannot express the how strong the sense of Coming Hame was as i saw the stone being driven up to the Castle .
My third and so far final time was when i visited Edinburgh Castle.
I look forward to my fourth time next year in Perth when the Stone is returned to being only two miles from its original home of Scone.
As a Scot there is simply no other place the Stone should be and as it was quarried near Scone, then Perth is its natural home.
I fully support your strong views on all those that abused the stone (some claiming in the name of Scotland). the SAFE return of the Stone to Scotland should always have been the number one priority.
It seems to me that the sharing arrangement works pretty well. Of course, as with most compromises, no one is 100 percent satisfied.
My thoughts exactly and that's how you know you have a good compromise.
Lovely video as always.thank you very much
Thanks Anagtia :-)
I'm American and knew about this from my grandmother. Between Scotland and Ireland she told me things ALL THE TIME. I am 66 now, and she started when I was 6 or 7.
Thank you, an incredible journey of this national treasure. Your rational as always is sound.
Thanks Joe :-)
As someone who was born and raised in California, I think it was the right thing to do return it to Scotland. (Even though it was politically driven rather than a genuine act) it belonged to that land and since it can be loaned for future coronations (I’m sure it’s on its way to Westminster Abbey now, if it’s not already there) I don’t see the harm in it since the Coronation chair remained there.
Yes, I think we have the best compromise now. It'll only be in England for a matter of days every few decades so that's surely not too objectionable to the Scots, especially as it gives the coronation a very prominent Scottish element too.
An excellent video again HC. Really interesting stuff, even if it is about a lump of rock. Personally, I think it should reside in Scotland and be returned to Westminster for coronations. The only problem I see, is if Scotland becomes independent. I know that the Monarch would still be entitled to be crowned King/Queen of Scotland on it, but if the Scottish authorities prevent it being returned to Westminster at any time, that would be a serious problem. As a suggestion for something similar, you could do a video on the Round table in Winchester Great Hall and St Swithuns cloth in Winchester Cathedral. I am really into King Alfred and his Wessex heirs at the moment. We owe them so much too. England is only England because of them.
Hmm, if that happened the monarch could be crowned in Scotland too. They are descended from the House of Stuart, so have a good claim on the Stone as their property. I'm slowly working my way around to the Anglo-Saxons :-)
When I visited Scone Palace in 1976, an English tourist asked the guide about the stone. Her (the guide’s) reply was that “It was stolen away from here long ago”. But then she added, cryptically; “But there are those who say that it was not the REAL one…” then with a wink “Did y’ever know a Scot who would let a thing like that go - without a wee fight?”
I must say I really enjoyed sitting on the coronation seat on a visit to Westminster Abbey many moons ago, I enjoyed a chat with two American tourists about Mary I, Elizabeth I, and Mary Queen of Scotts, one of my fondest memories of London, the stone of destiny still in place, it really should remain in Scotland to 👑😊 future Kings and Queens of Scotland
As a German, I think the way it is now, returned to Scotland but brought back to England for coronations, is the best compromise possible.
Thank you for addressing the pronunciation. I know all countries have place names that are awkward to know the correct pronunciation, but I appreciate you taking the time to get the correct one, and explain it 😊
Thank you. It's always a bit of nightmare getting pronunciations of unfamiliar people and place names correct. I try to do my best, but I'm sure I still get it wrong sometimes.
Amazing...
Thanks Mark :-)
Wonderful story.. Most enjoyable... As an American, I believe the proper place for the stone is with the throne.
Very interesting!
I have sat on the Stone of Destiny during my visit to Scone Palace in 2014---my connection is my x24 great Grandmother Matilda of Huntingdon who married secondly David I of Scotland---she became Queen Consort---both are buried at Dunfermline Abbey---The Scone stone has a history of its own having been stolen---the one today is a good replica at Scone
As someone from Perth (the city where the area of Scone is) this is really cool, I’ve spent many days in Scone palace , ps your pronunciation is correct for Scone
Hi, awesome live history video I enjoyed it. How are you? I'm doing well. Your history videos are always enjoyable and relaxing. Have a great day greetings from Canada 😊
Thanks Michelle. Glad you enjoyed hearing about the stone. Have a lovely weekend :-)
I had no idea Scotland was ever called Albania.
Love your channel and the way you narrate.
To be honest, even I had barely come across that name for it, but perhaps that's because I've done more Irish and English history, than Scottish. I suppose it's like Ireland being called Hibernia.
@@HistoryCalling right or Spain formerly being known as Iberia. I wonder if these previous names were of Latin origin?
I have an old map,it was called Alba not Albania.
The stone was kept at Scone Palace not abbey,until they built Holyrood house in Edinburgh and it moved there...
@@kellyshomemadekitchenHello there!
I'm not sure if I've missed a video of yours, but have you ever done anything on George III and Queen Charlotte?
As far as I know, or care, I don't have a drop of Scottish or English blood, but I did live in Edinburgh when the stone came back. As it made its way up The Royal Mile, people were cheering, some were crying, flags were waving and the pipes were playing. I saw what it did to the people who actually were Scottish, and I was happy for them. Symbolism and tradition can be beautiful things, please don't spoil them with logic 😀.
That would have been so interesting to see (PS Edinburgh is just beautiful. I'm jealous you got to live there. I always enjoy my visits to the city).
We love Scotland! Visited in 2019, and saw it in Edinburgh Castle. Yep. It’s just a big rock.
I am an Australian of English and Scottish heritage. I am pleased it has been returned to Scotland. It is good that it is also being allowed to continue it's historical role being sent to England for coronations when necessary.
If it was up to me the stone would never be in England again & why should it after they’d had it for hundreds of years why wasn’t it returned after unification..?
Maybe the Scottish should charge the English a large fee for the rental of the stone, if it's so important to the English.
Haha, you can write a letter to the govt. suggesting it, but I don't think the idea will fly :-)
@@HistoryCalling Indeed. We have to pay almost twice as much for electricity as Londoners do-and we produce most of it! It's mostly clean energy too.
@@chrisbanks6659 😂😂😂
There's interesting research from Historic Environment Scotland on the stone. One thing caught my attention was that the stone appears to have been cut as a Step and thus seemingly repurposed. It seemed odd to turn a step into a symbol of inauguration or maybe not. I also had the thought that this stone was maybe an altar stone containing a reliquary(cut down for Edwards throne) and while possibly connected with medieval coronations , was not the Stone of Destiny used in a less religious manner and perhaps moved eastwards by the king of Dalriada on conquering the Picts . Edward Longshanks probably lifted something of importance but maybe not quite what he thought. And if the tooling on top was for a reliquary, i don't think kings would be standing or sitting on it. But maybe placing a hand on it to swear an oath
Fun fact: Did you know the last American revolutionary veteran died in 1868; his name was John Grey.
I did not. I'll have to look him up :-)
@@HistoryCalling I think it's funny how the last American revolutionary veteran is name Grey;the same last name of queen Jane grey.
As an American with almost no family history earlier than 1900, I love that a Brit can say,with a straight face, that an artifact can “only” be traced beck to about 1200…❤️❤️❤️
As a Scot, it matters. And I appreciate the well deserved scorn you heap upon the vandals. (Daft buggers.)
Hello how're you doing?
As a person from the land down under with a very strong Scottish Irish background. It should stay in Scotland, but I do think that having it back for future coronations is a good idea.
Hi HC! Hope you're doing well. Very interesting video as always and I'd like to tell you that we have "scones" or escones here in Uruguay and are very tasty, lol, they're in fact small sweet or salty snacks, depending on the taste of the consumer, made from homemade dough and baked. Perfect to eat with tea or coffee in the afternoon. When you come to Uruguay I invite you to eat some with tea. Bye!!!!!
Thanks Patricia. I'll have to bring some British scones too and then we can compare them :-)
@@HistoryCalling Nothing to do, most probably. But the experience would be definitely interesting 😂
Well done. Thank you for this. I realised watching your video how little I knew about the Stone when I thought I knew a fair bit. I'm an Aussie and it makes sense that the Scots would want it back, it seems like the logical conclusion but it was a war trophy so I assume to the victor the spoils. If it had been stolen or taken arrogantly (similar to the Egyptian treasures or the Elgin stones) then I would hope that it would go back to the origin place, but this is a bit more complex.
P.S I'm so angered by the idiots stealing it with no reverence for the article itself. IDIOTS!!!
Thank you. Like yourself, I actually didn't know that much about the Stone when I started (I didn't think the video would be this long for instance). It's a fascinating tale though.
As an Aussie of Scottish descent (on my Dada's side) I think the Stone should go back to Scotland and stay there. In support of this I venture the question - What are the English going to do when the next coronation comes around and Scotland has finally succeeded in getting it's independence and is no longer part of the UK?
This is the best most informative information I've seen or heard about the Stone of Scone. Thank you! A very timely piece. But you're mention of "Albania" has me curious! I've never heard that name or any other applied to Scotland. Can we look forward to some of your excellent research regarding this old term for Scotland?
Oh I hadn't thought of doing any further research on that. It just came up in passing. I think it's like the way Ireland used to be referred to as Hibernia.
@@HistoryCalling it just seems curious because it's the same name as another country.
@@maryloumawson6006 It'd be related to "Alba", the Gaelic name for Scotland. I think the historical kingdom was known as Alba before it became Scotland.
@@beth7935 Very interesting. Thanks for your answer.
@@maryloumawson6006
It was called Alba, not Albania. Alba is basically an old Gaelic name for Scotland, and comes from the Latin "Albion" (white), which is what the Romans originally called the whole of the British isles. Once the Romans conquered what is now England and Wales, they called that part "Britannia", while they called Ireland "Hibernia" and Scotland "Caledonia". 😉👍