EU, Taiwan, and China: Carrot and Stick. How Big is the Stick? | How We Got Here
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- China wants Taiwan... the question is the method. The great Pacific powers of China and the U.S. are gearing up for a conflict...at some point in the future. What is the European dog in this particular fight?
Can the EU have any real say in the matter?
Join Jan Darasz and his guest Marcin Przychodniak, Research Fellow at the Polish Institute of International Affairs, in this episode of How We Got Here.
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On the one hand the whole world recognize Taiwan as part of China, including the US and EU. On the other, the US is trying very hard to break Taiwan away from China....Historically the island of Taiwan has always been part of China but it was colonized by foreign invaders, the Dutch(1624-1662), Spanish(1626-1642) and then the Japanese(1895-1945). The people of Taiwan are mainly ethnic Han Chinese and they have the same culture and language as mainland Chinese. The island of Taiwan is only 180km from mainland China. So what is the justification that Taiwan should be an independent country? If the people of Taiwan don't want to be under the control of China, then they can always migrate overseas.....?
Well said. China will fight for Taiwan. Who wants an opponent/potential enemy to be a resident in their backyard? All the Western countries want to use Taiwan as a proxy to contain and weaken China wherever possible, similarly using Ukraine to weaken Russia.
So, what is Poland doing now becoming a "lakye" for the west. It is really none of Poland's business.
the US recognized the PRC as the sole government of China. but in fact Taiwan is and will be again. The US will
rethink this and do as Japan did
China from became taiwan
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Please have the older gentleman back off the limiter
taiwan is synonymous with tsmc to us, which it is decoupling from taiwan. end game is pretty clear
The Americans want to maintain their global hegemony, not one inch less.
China cannot invade itself.
What is Taiwan's official name?
Taiwan's official name is "Republic of China" .
Read the Republic of China 's (Taiwan) own constitution.
The Republic of China's (Taiwan) own constitution states that Taiwan is a part of China.
Not only does Taiwan's own constitution state that Taiwan is a part of China it also calls for the Reunification with Mainland China.
Plus under Taiwan's own constitution secessionism is illegal.
Only an ignoramus is going to sit there and argue that the Republic of China is not a part of China.
As a matter of fact up until the late 1980s if you called for Independence of Taiwan from China you would be arrested for sedition and treason in Taiwan.
Taiwanese passports, birth certificates, Banks, official money, airlines, and all cabinet Ministrers have the word China in their names or the word China written on them.
Even Taiwan's military is named after China.
Taiwan's military is named Republic of China Armed forces.
The government of Taiwan used to represent the whole of China in the UN security council up until 1972.
Up until 1991 Taiwan was raising a military to invade Mainland China.
As a matter Taiwan used to carry an insurgency into Mainland China from the jungles of Myanmar until the PLA and the Burmese military got together, defeated them and pushed them out of there.
The Taiwanese also used to carry air strikes all over Mainland China as Shanghai to try to get a foothold in Mainland China.
For decades they swore theat they would reunify Taiwan with Mainland China
The up until the 1980s the waters between China and Taiwan used to be no go areas for Chinese sailors because the Taiwanese navy used to board Chinese ships force Chinese Sailors to go to Taiwan and pledge allegiance to the government in Taipei.
For decades they claimed to be the legitimate government of the whole of China.
There has never been a debate in whether Taiwan is a part of China or not.
Both the government of Republic of China and the People's Republic of China claimed to be the legitimate governments of the whole of China and Taiwan.
The debate was always on who is the legitimate government of the whole of China.
Was it the government in the Republic of China thst only had the support of 23. 4 million Chinese governing from Taipei.
Or was the government of the People's Republic of China which has the support of 1.4 Billion Chinese governing from Beijing.
Some countries, only 9 now, recognize the Republic of China (Taiwan) as the legitimate government of China.
Other countries including the United States and about 189 other countries recognized the People's Republic of China as the legitimate government of the whole of China.
This has always been the debate.
No one ever recognized Taiwan as an independent country. Not even Taiwan itself.
Up until 1991 Taiwan was building up its armed forces to invade Mainland China.
For decades before that they used to carry out raids and air strikes on Mainland China with the goal of getting a foothold on Mainland China and then eventually to retake whole Mainland China.
They also used to carry out an insurgency into Mainland China from the jungles of Myanmar until the PLA and the Burmese military defeated them and run them out of there.
The Republic of China was founded in Mainland China.
The founder of the Republic of China in Taiwan greatest dream was the reunification of CHINA.
Before he died his last wish was to have his body sent to the Mainland to be burried there near his ancestors.
Mainland China does not have to invade Taiwan.
The Republic of China and the People's Republic of China are both a part of China and belong to the Chinese people all 1.5 Billion of them
and it is the overwhelming will of the Chinese people that they both should reunite.
How that reunification will take place. It's up to them. But if anyone tries to break China apart it will be the biggest mistake they will have ever made in their entire history. It's not going to end up well for them or their people in their home country
There is only a small minority of people in the Republic of China (Taiwan) who don't want to break away China. They are mainly of Japanese decent. A legacy left from Japanese colonialism.
They are about 2.3 million of them
If there are people in the Republic of China who don't want to be a part of China, they are free to pack up all their things and leave China.
They can go to Japan and become Japanese if they want so they can live under American hegemony as American tributary vassal state like if that is what they want so much
Taiwan is undefendable.
Taiwan imports almost 60% of its food to feed its people from abroad.
27% of that food comes directly from the Mainland
Taiwan imports almost 99% of its energy.
Even the Uranium used to power their nuclear reactors comes from abroad.
The PLA does not have to invade Taiwan.
All they have to do is do a blockade of the Island of Taiwan
All the PLA has to do is launch a blockade of Taiwan and in 2 to 3 weeks Taiwan will have a total energy blackout. All it's industries, factories, cities, homes, vehicles will run out of power and grind to a halt. Their economy will be completely destroyed.
In 2 to 3 months maximum they will face famine and starvation.
They don't have any natural resources or raw materials.
If you think the US can break a PLA blockade of Taiwan remember this
The US navy wasn't even able to break a Houthi blockade of Israel in the red sea for 11 months.
As a result 80% of all the shipping that used to go to Israel's largest port has ceased.
The only thing thst has saved Israel is that the Despicable Egyptian authorities have allowed Israel to use their 3 ports in the Mediterranean Sea which is out of reach of the Houthis.
The Houthis don't even have a navy or an Air force. All they have used are old anti ship missiles and $10 000 to $20 000 drones.
That alone has been able to chase away multi Billion dollar US warships armed with $1.4 million to $4 million missiles out to sea.
As a result the US navy and an entire flotilla of its tributary vassal states couldn't break the Houthis blockade of Israel in the red sea for 11 months.
Yet people in the United States still think the US navy could break a PLA blockade of Taiwan.
China could literally block out the sun over Taiwan's ports, airports and beaches with drones.
China can literally land artillery shells and missiles barrages anywhere into Taiwan fired from its coastal regions.
The only way the US could defeat China in a war against Taiwan is by invading Mainland China and occupying the Mainland.
Good luck with that one
Moreover the Chinese have the ability and the weapons to strike deep and hard
into the United States against all American centers industrial, economic, population centers and political centers power in as little as 17 to 18 minutes.
China industrial capacity is the largest in the world.
Chinas industrial capacity is larger than the next 9 countries combined.
China manufacturers 200x more shipping tonnage a year than the United States.
China manufactures 12x more steel than the United States.
China graduates 7x more Stems than the United States.
China's population is 4x larger than the United States.
If China goes to war it will mobilize its entire industrial capacity into full scale production.
They will out manufacture the United States in all sorts of weapons systems big and small into oblivion
They will mobilize tens of millions and tens of millions of men into the PLA..
Plus China will have Russia's support in natural resources, raw materials, additional military industrial manufacturing capacity, energy, food.
The United States does not have the industrial capacity to go head to head with China in the long term... It does not have the willing population to be mobilized for a a war of thst scale.
The United States is $35 Trillion in debt.
You people need to stop dreaming of fighting China over Taiwan.
Your politicians and experts mouths are writting cheques your country and your people can't cash.
What's eu's dog in the fight? Rhetorical question because EU has had little influence in Russia Ukrainia Israel Palestine Lebanon conflicts.
We should respect the UN resolution on Taiwan, that is Taiwan is a part of China and not go around interfering in other countries domestic affairs. How would we like it if China or Russia exploit US political divisions and exacerbate the situation and encourage the breakup of America for geopolitical reasons.
Concentrate on improving our infrastructures, health care, homelessness, jobs, and well being of our own people and stop meddling in other countries internal affairs.
Incorrect, in fact completely wrong:
There are no internationally recognized treaties, policies, agreements or UN resolutions that declare that Taiwan is part of China.
The officially written UN resolution2758 does not state that Taiwan is part of China.
“UN Resolution No. 2758 ruled in 1971, that the PRC had obtained the representation rights and all legal rights originally owned by the ROC in the UN”. It is true that UN recognition was handed to the CCP as they were the ruling government of China not the ROC but it does not state that taiwan is part of China.
Resolution 2758 (XXVI)
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
Recalling the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
Considering the restoration of the lawful rights of the People's Republic of China is essential both for the protection of the Charter of the United Nations and for the cause that the United Nations must serve under the Charter.
Recognizing that the representatives of the Government of the People's Republic of China are the only lawful representatives of China to the United Nations and that the People's Republic of China is one of the five permanent members of the Security Council.
Decides to restore all its rights to the People's Republic of China and to recognize the representatives of its Government as the only legitimate representatives of China to the United Nations, and to expel forthwith the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek from the place which they unlawfully occupy at the United Nations and in all the organizations related to it.
Now tell me where in this statement does this resolution state that Taiwan is part of China? This is the document that was agreed upon.
@@vietnguyen4312we don’t need to tell you anything. Explain to us why government of Taiwan is called Republic of China? In ROC’s constitution, it clearly says mainland China and Taiwan are Republic of China’s territory;
And, if all other countries didn’t agree with 2758, why haven’t they have diplomatic relations with Taiwan?
Your argument is so weak and can only confuse people that don’t know the history
Whether or not Taiwan is not legally recognized as a state does not automatically hand sovereignty of the island to the PRC.
There are no internationally recognised treaties, policies or UN resolutions that state that Taiwan is part of China. Also, historically, China has had minimal control over the island of Taiwan, I will explain further below.
Now some facts about Taiwan:
1: The island now known as Taiwan was inhabited and ruled by the aborigines for approximately 30,000 years.
2: When the Dutch arrived in 1626 most of the population of Formosa were the Yuanzhumin or Gaoshan people (who have no DNA link back to China)
3: The Qing had minimal control of Taiwan in fact the Qing only managed to rule less than 20% of the island while the aborigines ruled and controlled over 80% of the island. The Qing created a border in 1750 with rocks which was called the Tu Niu Red Line. The Japanese were the first country to colonise Formosa and create roads and infrastructure..
4: Due to the lack of control, the Qing did not declare Formosa a Province of the Qing until 1895 as the Japanese was encroaching on the island. The island was handed to Japan soon after.
5: Over the past 400 years the island has been partially ruled by 5 different governments but it was only the Japanese and ROC who had full control of the entire island.
6: Historically the CCP recognized Formosan independence. In 1936, when the Republic of China (ROC) was China’s government and Taiwan (Formosa) was a Japanese colony, Chairman Mao Zedong offered support to Korea and Formosa if their peoples wished to gain independence from Japan. Mao’s internationalist position suggested that 1) both Korea and Formosa have a right to independence, and 2) this is based on the right to self-determination. Mao did not claim that Taiwan has been an integral part of China. (look up Edgar Snow interview))
7: The Cairo Declaration 1943 discussed the possibility of handing the island of Taiwan to the ROC. This discussion required a treaty to become official and was never implemented.
8: The PRC constitution was formed in 1949 yet Taiwan was not added to it until 1978.
9: The ROC were granted a caretaker role of Formosa after WW2 but when the ROC escaped to the island it still legally belonged to Japan.
10: When Japan relinquished its sovereignty of Taiwan with The Treaty of San Francisco after the ROC invaded the Japanese island, China was not even invited. The treaty was signed by 49 nations but both the ROC and CCP were NOT present.
11: The One China Policy, Un Resolution 2758 or the Treaty of San Francisco do not declare that Taiwan is a province of China. There are no internationally recognized treaties, policies or UN resolutions that state that Taiwan is part of China.
The only legal way that Taiwan can amalgamate with China is if they agree to a treaty ceding their sovereignty. Whether Taiwan is considered a country or not does not automatically grant China with sovereignty of the region.