Well done....I saw you put in a shadow under the forward eye, very early in your feature forms, and I was like; "that is way too dark" and I watched you put in all the values around it....amazing....you didn't touch it through the whole drawing. All the values organically coordinated around your first rendering. It was a very nice lesson in planning value ranges. - - You teach like the nicest person on the planet. -- I really liked everything about this video.
Great! I was there with Kruger when he made this painting (I actually took this photo), Kruger made the painting in just a couple of hours. The drawing is really good too! Glad I could contribute to the making of this nice tutorial
I learned something interesting from reading a book called ' Drawing on the right side of the brain" you can draw almost anything by turning the image upside down and then sketching it.Regardless of artistic experience,there is a glaring example shown in the book of several students told to recreate a sketch of Picasso sitting in a chair.Its quite fascinating.
That amazing, I never expected you could that much insight from copying drawings When I do so, later I keep and drop some of their traits I think I identified well and incorporate to my own style
I agree with just about everything, but also think that part of doing a study is discovering the process itself. Having a process laid out for you can get in the way of actually developing perhaps a more compact process. Aside from learning to look at something very closely and basic hand/eye coordination, I feel like the most natural way to develop as an artist would be to do the master study and develop a process on ones' own. Inserting another person's methods or analyses in between the brain and the study is an extra complication.
Your vid is wonderful for beginners! But on the critical side: these straight lines only give you the impression of outlining "correct proportions" because ...they feel..assertive(Russian/American) academic style. For example your lower ear is outlined drastically incorrect, so is the proportion of the line of hat sticking out from nose, etc. I feel one should cultivate a renaissance style light line and care more about triangulation than one to one proportions leading to wrong shapes. Developing a light curved line takes only two three days even when you are not used with it. This line can be easily corrected (like michaelangelo does for ex.) while uselessly repeated straight line doesn't invite variations and corrections without erasing. Cheers
Thank you for your input. However, as I mention in the video, the most important thing about this exercise is not making it an exact copy like how a machine would reproduce it. But just to get a feeling of how the original artist chose to exaggerate his shapes and re-define Wagner's head. It's good that you have a particular drawing style and technique that you are passionate about, but that does not appeal to everybody. I am not really a fan of Michelangelo and Da Vinci's drawings. They have a look or stylization that feels a little formulaic and a product of its time. I welcome the students of my course to draw using whatever process and personal style they like but they should try to follow some sort of procedure. In my case, I did a version of the Reilly Abstraction to build the shapes. There are many roads that lead to Rome, as they say.
Is there any types of warm ups to do to improve at finding the bigger shapes and getting them proportionally as accurate as possible? I think I get lost in the detail too much. My brain struggles to get proportions precise.
What do you mean by 'how they rendered the forms' at 11:28? Can you talk about how you decide which way to hold the pencil at various times? Also, why you whittle pencils for sharpening as opposed to using a pencil sharpener, and which brands and hardnesses you use?
The illusion of form in a drawing is created by the values and edges that separate them. What I meant by learning how the original master artists rendered their forms was that in doing an exercise where you're trying to recreate the look and style of someone else's work, you may discover that you have to design shadows, halftones and lights and the edges between them in a particular way that maybe you are not used to. The act of re-creating that look is a great teacher, especially if you have trouble rendering forms in a drawing when working on your own. Regarding the pencil, I sharpen it that way because it gives me the greatest variety of use. I can use it flat on its side for a wide area of value or on its tip for a thin line. How I hold it is a reaction to the effect I want to achieve: broad even tones of value, soft edges, thin lines or hard edges. It also encourages you to draw more from the shoulder and elbow, creating larger more graceful strokes. It also helps prepare you to handle a paint brush. It is weird at first to hold the pencil those ways if you're not used to it. But you quickly adapt and it will become the only way you will want to draw.
Stan - can you share a source for the gold band Pierre Noir 1710 B pencils that you and Court use in your videos? I can only find the plain black barrel 1710's. Thansk!
+Honken _Well ackshually_ Wagner never endorsed the theory of leitmotifs himself. The only time he used the term in his text was as _"so called_ leitmotifs," indicating that he found the concept reductive. [pushes glasses back up nose]
I would say either way is beneficial, depending on your personality. You could copy one artist for as long as he/she inspires you and then move on to another one that inspires you. Or you could constantly jump back and forth each time you do it. It's all good.
Isn't it also visualizing it ? I can visualize it in my head on how it would look like if I did something with it. xd idk it helps me to ease into drawing composition and characters easier.
It'd be more effective if you did a study of an artist's work and then tried to create something new in that same style. Just copying the picture doesn't do much beyond making you better at copying that one image. You have to put it to work.
It's funny you should say that. In the premium caricature course, that is exactly what I did. For each copy of a master's work I made, I attempted an original in their style. It's quite a challenge. I hope you can check it out. Near the end of this video above, we show a quick preview of my original Arnold Schwarzenegger sketch that I did for the premium course attempting to recreate the style of Krüger.
Skyweli they will never be masters at it. As long as you don’t pass it as your own on social media or anywhere else’s it’s perfectly fine. Some beginners don’t understand that copying great masters makes you into one.
It’s a very good drawing except that I wish the artist paid a little more attention to the coutures of the nose and the chin. They both could be a bit more pointed.
And where would one form their sensibility, predilections and taste inclinations (which are basically three ways to say the same thing)? I would say from your instructors and the artists you most admire (your artistic influences). Just my humble opinion! :)
Am sitting in my room staring at my anime drawings and thinking "wow am rubbish at drawing" lmao. Shading, clothing tension etc and so bad at and same with hands and feet >
This dont work with digital art though. you'll never be able to actually copy someone's look if you don't know what software they use it could be many software in there workflow then on top of that what settings or custom brushes and so on this is a nice tip for traditional artists but not for people doing digital
This isn't true. You can make incredibly similar work to someone else's with almost any program. We see people make painterly masterpieces with MS Paint, I made a whole video about getting the same quality as a brush pen drawing with pencil and more. The point of a master study isn't to make it exactly the same. It's to try to reverse engineer how you'd do it with what you know and learn the why of the master's art. You may not have the same shortcuts for quick fills, chromatic aberration or other small workflow things but you can create the same work if you really want. The only thing stopping you is your desire and drive to try to figure out how. I believe in you and hope you make the work you're looking to!
I try my best to pronounce international artists' names out of respect. But I never learned German. Actually, I find it a little obnoxious when an American switches over to a pitch perfect foreign accent when pronouncing words and names. It's like they're showing off or something. :)
I speak Arabic, French and English fluently and I know a bit of some other languages. I find it strange that people judge other people's accents but hold on to their native accent. What I learned is: 1. Don't judge people's accents. They're already interested somehow in your culture and you should be grateful 2. I found that what held my language abilities the most is that fear of showing off. I notice it in people and I think it's acceptable (as long as they don't try to "correct" my accent to their weird one, because that's real showing off). I know they're practicing to get it right, and I swallowed my pride and began doing it too. I got out of the weird phase and became good at it in no time.
I guess instead of holding on to what we're used to, copying the masters of their language does some good too =) they're just not as rare as in arts. just a thought :p
I should also mention that on the few occasions when I've met Mr. Krüger at gallery openings and at caricature artist conventions, everyone pronounces his name as I do in a standard American English way and no one has ever been corrected. So I am using my direct experience of meeting him in how I say his name. And likewise, when I travel overseas, my foreign friends put their own native pronunciation on my name. I think most people are cool and understand that is going to happen.
Finding your own style is like learning to talk. Your voice might be unique, but the people you grew up with will influence your speech whether you know it or not
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love how proko channel became like a school where you find a lot of great artist and teachers giving lessons, top notch quality
Yep, genius.
Watching this as a musician is giving me some interesting ideas.
I am an actor-musician, totally feel ya.
That's funny! I'm an artist but I often study musicians and how they compose/write music and implement that to my image building!
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@@chasechapman9302 Musicians *are* artists ;)
@@tamerov2387 true! Just different instruments pencil, own body, drums all artists
Well done....I saw you put in a shadow under the forward eye, very early in your feature forms, and I was like; "that is way too dark" and I watched you put in all the values around it....amazing....you didn't touch it through the whole drawing. All the values organically coordinated around your first rendering. It was a very nice lesson in planning value ranges. - - You teach like the nicest person on the planet. -- I really liked everything about this video.
Great! I was there with Kruger when he made this painting (I actually took this photo), Kruger made the painting in just a couple of hours. The drawing is really good too! Glad I could contribute to the making of this nice tutorial
Thank you so much for the use of your photos, Ben!
I copy meself, so I am already on another level.
Elvis Cosovic now sue yourself for copying yourself and you’ll be on an even higher level!
me
No, you're
Elvis
Cheers my fellow narcissist.
I learned something interesting from reading a book called ' Drawing on the right side of the brain" you can draw almost anything by turning the image upside down and then sketching it.Regardless of artistic experience,there is a glaring example shown in the book of several students told to recreate a sketch of Picasso sitting in a chair.Its quite fascinating.
Big to medium to small with the shapes. Excellent process to do a drawing.
I went to the only 2010 U.S. workshop, her did Clint Eastwood in 3 days. It was awesome to watch a master do his thing!
That amazing, I never expected you could that much insight from copying drawings
When I do so, later I keep and drop some of their traits I think I identified well and incorporate to my own style
I agree with just about everything, but also think that part of doing a study is discovering the process itself. Having a process laid out for you can get in the way of actually developing perhaps a more compact process. Aside from learning to look at something very closely and basic hand/eye coordination, I feel like the most natural way to develop as an artist would be to do the master study and develop a process on ones' own. Inserting another person's methods or analyses in between the brain and the study is an extra complication.
beautiful drawing! love these caricature videos!!!
I'm so indecisive so studying from multiple artists instead of just one makes it easier for me haha. I never decided who to study from..
Try Kim Jung Gi. He’s great.
My mind has been opened up. Thank you for the tips
Superb work.
A brilliant explanation of this process! Bravo!
3:15 quite a way to become a new Picasso
Your vid is wonderful for beginners! But on the critical side: these straight lines only give you the impression of outlining "correct proportions" because ...they feel..assertive(Russian/American) academic style. For example your lower ear is outlined drastically incorrect, so is the proportion of the line of hat sticking out from nose, etc. I feel one should cultivate a renaissance style light line and care more about triangulation than one to one proportions leading to wrong shapes. Developing a light curved line takes only two three days even when you are not used with it. This line can be easily corrected (like michaelangelo does for ex.) while uselessly repeated straight line doesn't invite variations and corrections without erasing. Cheers
Thank you for your input. However, as I mention in the video, the most important thing about this exercise is not making it an exact copy like how a machine would reproduce it. But just to get a feeling of how the original artist chose to exaggerate his shapes and re-define Wagner's head.
It's good that you have a particular drawing style and technique that you are passionate about, but that does not appeal to everybody. I am not really a fan of Michelangelo and Da Vinci's drawings. They have a look or stylization that feels a little formulaic and a product of its time. I welcome the students of my course to draw using whatever process and personal style they like but they should try to follow some sort of procedure. In my case, I did a version of the Reilly Abstraction to build the shapes. There are many roads that lead to Rome, as they say.
For the Sebastian Kruger art, I like his realist pop art portraits. The distorted caricatures look like something I'd see on a click bait list.
I actually learned a lot from this in just a minute
Is there any types of warm ups to do to improve at finding the bigger shapes and getting them proportionally as accurate as possible? I think I get lost in the detail too much. My brain struggles to get proportions precise.
A video posted!?!? And on my birthday as well!! Holy cow this is awesome! Your video is cool as ever, thank you proko!
Imajyn8tive happy birthday!🎉 Have a nice day❤️
Imajyn8tive happy birthday!!
The main question is how do I learn about old master or how do I choose an old master to study about?
kim jung gi ples bless me with your drawing skills!
Autumn Leaves! A great music choice c:
These principles apply to music as well.
What do you mean by 'how they rendered the forms' at 11:28? Can you talk about how you decide which way to hold the pencil at various times? Also, why you whittle pencils for sharpening as opposed to using a pencil sharpener, and which brands and hardnesses you use?
The illusion of form in a drawing is created by the values and edges that separate them. What I meant by learning how the original master artists rendered their forms was that in doing an exercise where you're trying to recreate the look and style of someone else's work, you may discover that you have to design shadows, halftones and lights and the edges between them in a particular way that maybe you are not used to. The act of re-creating that look is a great teacher, especially if you have trouble rendering forms in a drawing when working on your own.
Regarding the pencil, I sharpen it that way because it gives me the greatest variety of use. I can use it flat on its side for a wide area of value or on its tip for a thin line. How I hold it is a reaction to the effect I want to achieve: broad even tones of value, soft edges, thin lines or hard edges. It also encourages you to draw more from the shoulder and elbow, creating larger more graceful strokes. It also helps prepare you to handle a paint brush. It is weird at first to hold the pencil those ways if you're not used to it. But you quickly adapt and it will become the only way you will want to draw.
Great content and useful advice for every artists. Really love the way you explained. This is applicable for realistic portrait too. Thanks
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Great video. So many similarities to learning an instrument.
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This is sooo impressive
I thought I was going insane looking at that Krüger, it keeps changing resolution.
I'm so happy that I found your channel!!!
At what skill level is it recommended to do master studies?
This was so helpful and relaxing to watch!
Stan - can you share a source for the gold band Pierre Noir 1710 B pencils that you and Court use in your videos? I can only find the plain black barrel 1710's. Thansk!
I love your channel. So very helpful. Thank you for sharing.
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I enjoyed the study!
Brilliant video, I will be sure to incorporate these techniques into my own art-making process.
Proko could be considered master already.
Wonderful drawing!
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This video would have been a true Gesamtkunstwerk if you had played some of Wagner's best tunes in the background.
That IS a good idea. I don't know why we didn't think of that!
Yes, I agree. This was such a cool video to watch but I found the Jazz music quite unnerving. But that's just me. ;-)
Tunes? TUNES!? Leitmotifs!
[Anal retention intensifies]
+Honken _Well ackshually_ Wagner never endorsed the theory of leitmotifs himself. The only time he used the term in his text was as _"so called_ leitmotifs," indicating that he found the concept reductive. [pushes glasses back up nose]
[Cognitive dissonance thickens]
[Rebutes with reducto ad Hitlerum]
I am far too impatient for this kind of work process but I know I gotta do it If I wanna get goos
thank you very much for nice advises!
Amazing! This kind of videos is very cool! I'm gonna copy your style court! jjajaaj
Gracias por subtítulos en español
Great advice
Now would you want to Copy artists one at a time or dedicate a certain time you focus on one artist at a time
I would say either way is beneficial, depending on your personality. You could copy one artist for as long as he/she inspires you and then move on to another one that inspires you. Or you could constantly jump back and forth each time you do it. It's all good.
How does one study Al Hirschfeld?
Study his linework and simplifying of the human form.
Isn't it also visualizing it ? I can visualize it in my head on how it would look like if I did something with it. xd idk it helps me to ease into drawing composition and characters easier.
What if I don't like carry catcher.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the same technique as Charles Bargue?
Some of the strokes are Bargue-like, I guess. But my process is more heavily influenced by Frank Reilly.
It'd be more effective if you did a study of an artist's work and then tried to create something new in that same style. Just copying the picture doesn't do much beyond making you better at copying that one image. You have to put it to work.
It's funny you should say that. In the premium caricature course, that is exactly what I did. For each copy of a master's work I made, I attempted an original in their style. It's quite a challenge. I hope you can check it out. Near the end of this video above, we show a quick preview of my original Arnold Schwarzenegger sketch that I did for the premium course attempting to recreate the style of Krüger.
@Pope: Not necessarily. Pencil mileage when copying does count, especially if you analyze what you're doing.
Pope Suavecito XII if you are doing a master study thAt is the opposite of what you wanna do, you want to analyze and break down the piece first
Nice video :D I don't understand why some artists are against copying 🤔
Skyweli they will never be masters at it. As long as you don’t pass it as your own on social media or anywhere else’s it’s perfectly fine. Some beginners don’t understand that copying great masters makes you into one.
loved it
It’s a very good drawing except that I wish the artist paid a little more attention to the coutures of the nose and the chin. They both could be a bit more pointed.
Is it better to go super light
codina doesminecraft yes
In the beginning, yes, so you can erase badly placed lines more easily.
I mean *he*, Sebastian, did Clints portrait...i should proof read sometime.
Your style may come mostly from your sensibility, predilections, temperament and taste inclinations.
And where would one form their sensibility, predilections and taste inclinations (which are basically three ways to say the same thing)? I would say from your instructors and the artists you most admire (your artistic influences). Just my humble opinion! :)
@CourtJones no you can get inspired by anything its just that people wants to try to imitate art they like from others
muy util papuh
YES
Am sitting in my room staring at my anime drawings and thinking "wow am rubbish at drawing" lmao. Shading, clothing tension etc and so bad at and same with hands and feet >
I use a #2 pencil so...
SO u just drew layer by layer?
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that DANG ear!
This dont work with digital art though. you'll never be able to actually copy someone's look if you don't know what software they use it could be many software in there workflow then on top of that what settings or custom brushes and so on this is a nice tip for traditional artists but not for people doing digital
This isn't true. You can make incredibly similar work to someone else's with almost any program. We see people make painterly masterpieces with MS Paint, I made a whole video about getting the same quality as a brush pen drawing with pencil and more. The point of a master study isn't to make it exactly the same. It's to try to reverse engineer how you'd do it with what you know and learn the why of the master's art.
You may not have the same shortcuts for quick fills, chromatic aberration or other small workflow things but you can create the same work if you really want. The only thing stopping you is your desire and drive to try to figure out how.
I believe in you and hope you make the work you're looking to!
Master :)
Villager ahh painting
WHERE DID LEONARDO DICAPRIO GO!!!!
Oh jeez. Is it me or does that look like Kevin Spacey
Something waa not mentioned.
If you like Sebastian Krüger this much, you should perhaps improve the pronunciation of his name. ;-) However, well made!
I try my best to pronounce international artists' names out of respect. But I never learned German. Actually, I find it a little obnoxious when an American switches over to a pitch perfect foreign accent when pronouncing words and names. It's like they're showing off or something. :)
I speak Arabic, French and English fluently and I know a bit of some other languages. I find it strange that people judge other people's accents but hold on to their native accent. What I learned is:
1. Don't judge people's accents. They're already interested somehow in your culture and you should be grateful
2. I found that what held my language abilities the most is that fear of showing off. I notice it in people and I think it's acceptable (as long as they don't try to "correct" my accent to their weird one, because that's real showing off). I know they're practicing to get it right, and I swallowed my pride and began doing it too. I got out of the weird phase and became good at it in no time.
I guess instead of holding on to what we're used to, copying the masters of their language does some good too =) they're just not as rare as in arts. just a thought :p
I should also mention that on the few occasions when I've met Mr. Krüger at gallery openings and at caricature artist conventions, everyone pronounces his name as I do in a standard American English way and no one has ever been corrected. So I am using my direct experience of meeting him in how I say his name. And likewise, when I travel overseas, my foreign friends put their own native pronunciation on my name. I think most people are cool and understand that is going to happen.
you're great and I'm happy that you're doing these videos. keep at it and thanks =)
i Don't need to copy the masters i am the master himself
kappa lol
Exquisite neck beard.
I wish i would of never started im just going to quit i hate art
2nd
U NOT PROKO
YOU CORRECT
I believe style is innate, no need to search for it.
All that is needed is practice and lots of work
Oscar Rubio I'm lazy for this work
Oscar Rubio But practice and work are actually research tools for ones style. So there is no reason why you shouldn't do research of other artists.
No, you need the base first and then with that base create your own style. Like when we were kids and we copied our parents walk, copying how to talk
Finding your own style is like learning to talk. Your voice might be unique, but the people you grew up with will influence your speech whether you know it or not
Babies don't need a "base" when they learn to speak. Copy from masters. It's the right way to learn.
I am the first😁
#GermanDeathCamps ...NOT POLISH. REMEMBER THAT...
Dat chin tho
I know right ;-;
Aaand the nose 👃