Cursed mirror is a great addition since it’s a mana rock tapping for red but also can etb as a copy of one of your dragons with haste. This goes infinite with astral dragon. Play cursed mirror declaring no copies, then play astral dragon with the etb trigger copying 2 cursed mirrors, this mirrors etb copying your astral dragon and so on until you have infinite dragons with haste.
Wrathful Red Dragon is also great in the deck, and pretty much instant KO if you cast a Blasphemous Act. - (depending on the power you're looking for, I'd cut that Steel Hellkite; Wrathful has a lot of other ways to finish the game)
Draconic Muralists are super budget and great insurance against a board wipe, or you can target them with something like Dragon Tempest, Terror of the Peaks, etc., to ensure they die and tutor your best dragons.
Solid description of miirym, I would even add the other ancient dragons if you can. Additional win cons would be good to see, there are a few that can happen with dragons
If you want a cheeky play for the deck you can also add Astral Dragon and Cursed Mirror as it goes infinite, if you want a way for infinite dragons then there you go. But amazing video and will be adding and switching some cards, thank you!
I prefer Parallel Lives over Panharmonicon, you get many of the extra ETB triggers from double tokens anyway, and it benefits your other token generators. Also Cursed Mirror with Astral Dragon is a hilarious combo.
@@Trance2400 That makes sense if you want to focus more on the token generation effects. I'm only running Broodmother and Utvara Hellkite to make tokens outside Miirym. For me, Panharmonicon synergizes with my other burn effects like Terror of the Peaks and some other ETB cards better. Pan is a little more efficient for those burn effects to help close games. The cursed Mirror combo is pretty funny and is a great combo to win the game with. I didn't know about it at the time of recording or I probably would have included it. It really fits the theme of the deck.
@@MadHatterYT yeah fair enough. If you're interested in any other fun combos, Rapacious Dragon + Deadeye is infinite etb, Sarkhan Unbroken + Doubling Season enables immediate ulti to tutor all dragons, and Aggravated Assault goes infinite with any dragon that makes mana during combat like Klauth and the RRRGGG mana generating one.
@@Trance2400 Aggravated doesn't work with klauth, klauths mana can only be used to cast spells and not activate abilities. Does work with other mana producing dragons, like savage ventmaw.
Mirrorhall Mimic has an extremely similar effect as Helm of the Host if you're looking for a far more budget option, and at the same mana cost. Cast the Mirrorhall to copy Miirym, then Stack the ETB so that Miirym makes a non-legendary copy and then you sacrifice the Mirrorhall Legendary copy. Cast the backside of Mirrorhall targeting the non-legendary copy of Miirym and get a new copy at each of your upkeeps. BS flags?
Zirilan of the claw has performed extremely well for me in Miirym dragon tribal, especially in concert with Thassa to avoid having to exile the card at end of turn Also, Astral Dragon goes nearly infinite with Miirym and parallel lives or Doubling season out. It's not truly infinite, but you can still get an incalculable number of 3/3 dragon tokens A fun interaction with Miirym is also Brudiclad, especially if you have a non-legendary token copy of Miirym. Make all your tokens Miirym copies.
Zirilan would be a cool card to run. That would be a pretty aggressive card in this deck. It sucks to exile it if you don't have Thassa, but at least you'd still make copies. Brudiclad would actually be really funny to run. That's some cool synergy with Miirym's non-legendary tokens.
Astral dragon targeting permanents like great hinge, kindred discovery, urza's incubator etc. goes great with ganax/miirym on board. Lozhan goes great with Miirym/Ganax on board for 2x cmc burn alt win. Draconic Muralists are great tutors for ganax. Reckless Barbarian is a massive boost in mana when ganax/miirym is online. Livvan/swashbucking extraordinaire allow for quick voltron win. very versatile commander that can be played super low and aggressive. also there is a 1 drop bounce dragon (m13) that breaks miirym/ganax combo for infinite mana as well.
@@laurenslinkwolf Its another solid way to cheat in dragons. I think Monster Manual and Belbe's Portal is enough for me. Both can be used at instant speed (tbf so can sneak attack) and I have quite a few haste effects in this deck to help also. I think flickering the dragons could get around the sacrifice clause so something like Sword of Hearth and Home and Thassa can help Sneak Attack also. A good reason for cutting something for sneak attack would be it doesn't tap to use its ability. So, Ganax and Kindred Discover could essentially feed it and maybe you could jam out your whole deck for the win? Be careful with KD's attack trigger though in that case.
Do you think you will be fine using song of the dryads to target your kindred discovery? If not, I would add natures claim to the deck just for removal of kindred discovery because once you pop off that draw is not a may. Edit : had to remove c rift as an option since it’s target can’t be something you own.
I didn't know it wasn't a may trigger so there could certainly be a risk of drawing too much if you're abusing etb effects for Terror of the Peaks or something else. I think song and beast within are the only things that could remove it (cyc rift is only opponents). I don't think it'll be a huge problem, but this deck is already light on removal so it would make sense to add more and wouldn't hurt. If you're popping off, then you could just pump the breaks a bit and clean up the game with the existing board state holding whatever else in your hand. Then if you draw out an opponent's board wipe you could easily rebuild also. Good spot and thanks for watching!
@@MadHatterYT I run it in my wilhelt deck and the first time I comboed off I followed all my triggers and decked myself... It can be an eye opener. Had to add the blue common your party comes by a river.
Question: I keep removing panharmonicon from my Miirym deck. A) is it worth it to have a big 4-drop and B) won't it just get removed asap? Feels like Miirym does enough on its own. Or am I completely wrong here? Anyway, great deck list! But a bit too high budget for me.
It could get removed right away, but I think that argument applies to just about everything. I think in a dragon deck a 4 drop is technically ahead of curve for your powerful cards. You'd likely cast this while building up to cast your dragons. I included it in this deck because it synergizes with a lot of cards outside of Miirym himself. Cards like Ganax, Terror of the Peaks, and Scourge of Valkas to name a few. Is it needed? No, there are plenty of cards to replace it with. I don't know your deck so I couldn't recommend if its a good idea to pull it or not. I would count how many ETB triggers you're running and see just how much synergy it actually provides. I don't think it would be worth it just for Miirym. Thanks for watching and I hope this helps!
@@MadHatterYT I would link my deck if it was possible, but youtube wont allow it. But thanks for the feedback! Appreciated. Yeah, I have quite a lot of ETBs too, but I decided to focus more on instant speed flicker (basically have all blue instant flicker spells), and like 6 haste enablers. But I guess I have to playtest it in a real setting and in my playgroup before I can decide. I have the card in my collection so everything is possible
@@Wistbacka Np! It is really up to preference, I doubt it will make or break your deck in most games. I find that adding/cutting one card generally doesn't make that much of a difference (unless is like combo pieces or something obviously). I've had decks that I've played dozens of times and can think of cards I've never drawn or used their effect. Someone actually brought one up today in another video. xD I had completely forgot it because I've never had the chance to use it in another deck that runs it. My general advice is to play cards you find interesting, fun, and/or useful.
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Cursed mirror is a great addition since it’s a mana rock tapping for red but also can etb as a copy of one of your dragons with haste. This goes infinite with astral dragon.
Play cursed mirror declaring no copies, then play astral dragon with the etb trigger copying 2 cursed mirrors, this mirrors etb copying your astral dragon and so on until you have infinite dragons with haste.
Wrathful Red Dragon is also great in the deck, and pretty much instant KO if you cast a Blasphemous Act. - (depending on the power you're looking for, I'd cut that Steel Hellkite; Wrathful has a lot of other ways to finish the game)
This guy deserves a thousand likes. Thanks for the suggestions!
Glad I could help, thank you!
Draconic Muralists are super budget and great insurance against a board wipe, or you can target them with something like Dragon Tempest, Terror of the Peaks, etc., to ensure they die and tutor your best dragons.
I run prime-speaker vannifar and pyre of heroes in the deck. Muralists are great target for that, giving me instant access to Ganax. 😆
great format of video!
Solid description of miirym, I would even add the other ancient dragons if you can. Additional win cons would be good to see, there are a few that can happen with dragons
If you want a cheeky play for the deck you can also add Astral Dragon and Cursed Mirror as it goes infinite, if you want a way for infinite dragons then there you go. But amazing video and will be adding and switching some cards, thank you!
Oh that's a pretty cool combo, thanks for suggesting it!
I prefer Parallel Lives over Panharmonicon, you get many of the extra ETB triggers from double tokens anyway, and it benefits your other token generators. Also Cursed Mirror with Astral Dragon is a hilarious combo.
Also, Astral Dragon can copy Parallel Lives or Panharmonicon. Four tokens off Miirym with the former, three with the latter.
@@Trance2400 That makes sense if you want to focus more on the token generation effects. I'm only running Broodmother and Utvara Hellkite to make tokens outside Miirym. For me, Panharmonicon synergizes with my other burn effects like Terror of the Peaks and some other ETB cards better. Pan is a little more efficient for those burn effects to help close games.
The cursed Mirror combo is pretty funny and is a great combo to win the game with. I didn't know about it at the time of recording or I probably would have included it. It really fits the theme of the deck.
@@MadHatterYT yeah fair enough. If you're interested in any other fun combos, Rapacious Dragon + Deadeye is infinite etb, Sarkhan Unbroken + Doubling Season enables immediate ulti to tutor all dragons, and Aggravated Assault goes infinite with any dragon that makes mana during combat like Klauth and the RRRGGG mana generating one.
@@Trance2400 Aggravated doesn't work with klauth, klauths mana can only be used to cast spells and not activate abilities. Does work with other mana producing dragons, like savage ventmaw.
@@gwaihr2041 yep, Old Gnawbone too
Mirrorhall Mimic has an extremely similar effect as Helm of the Host if you're looking for a far more budget option, and at the same mana cost. Cast the Mirrorhall to copy Miirym, then Stack the ETB so that Miirym makes a non-legendary copy and then you sacrifice the Mirrorhall Legendary copy. Cast the backside of Mirrorhall targeting the non-legendary copy of Miirym and get a new copy at each of your upkeeps. BS flags?
I agree that's another great budget option for clone effects. Thanks for the suggestion!
Zirilan of the claw has performed extremely well for me in Miirym dragon tribal, especially in concert with Thassa to avoid having to exile the card at end of turn
Also, Astral Dragon goes nearly infinite with Miirym and parallel lives or Doubling season out. It's not truly infinite, but you can still get an incalculable number of 3/3 dragon tokens
A fun interaction with Miirym is also Brudiclad, especially if you have a non-legendary token copy of Miirym. Make all your tokens Miirym copies.
Zirilan would be a cool card to run. That would be a pretty aggressive card in this deck. It sucks to exile it if you don't have Thassa, but at least you'd still make copies.
Brudiclad would actually be really funny to run. That's some cool synergy with Miirym's non-legendary tokens.
What cards do you think also synergize with Miirym? Do you have any suggestions for commanders to build around in the future? Let me know!
Astral dragon targeting permanents like great hinge, kindred discovery, urza's incubator etc. goes great with ganax/miirym on board.
Lozhan goes great with Miirym/Ganax on board for 2x cmc burn alt win.
Draconic Muralists are great tutors for ganax.
Reckless Barbarian is a massive boost in mana when ganax/miirym is online.
Livvan/swashbucking extraordinaire allow for quick voltron win.
very versatile commander that can be played super low and aggressive.
also there is a 1 drop bounce dragon (m13) that breaks miirym/ganax combo for infinite mana as well.
@@acidhatter3578 Thanks for the suggestions! The tutor is a great idea especially when it also gets doubled up.
do you think deadeye navigator is a good solid include here? thinking about abusing those etb's + ganax effects, dockside,...
also think sneak attack might be a good consideration since the copies don't dissapear at the end of turn
@@laurenslinkwolf Its another solid way to cheat in dragons. I think Monster Manual and Belbe's Portal is enough for me. Both can be used at instant speed (tbf so can sneak attack) and I have quite a few haste effects in this deck to help also.
I think flickering the dragons could get around the sacrifice clause so something like Sword of Hearth and Home and Thassa can help Sneak Attack also.
A good reason for cutting something for sneak attack would be it doesn't tap to use its ability. So, Ganax and Kindred Discover could essentially feed it and maybe you could jam out your whole deck for the win? Be careful with KD's attack trigger though in that case.
Cloudstone curio blood clock I took out blood clock in my deck but may add it back in later on
Do you think you will be fine using song of the dryads to target your kindred discovery? If not, I would add natures claim to the deck just for removal of kindred discovery because once you pop off that draw is not a may.
Edit : had to remove c rift as an option since it’s target can’t be something you own.
I didn't know it wasn't a may trigger so there could certainly be a risk of drawing too much if you're abusing etb effects for Terror of the Peaks or something else. I think song and beast within are the only things that could remove it (cyc rift is only opponents).
I don't think it'll be a huge problem, but this deck is already light on removal so it would make sense to add more and wouldn't hurt. If you're popping off, then you could just pump the breaks a bit and clean up the game with the existing board state holding whatever else in your hand. Then if you draw out an opponent's board wipe you could easily rebuild also. Good spot and thanks for watching!
@@MadHatterYT
I run it in my wilhelt deck and the first time I comboed off I followed all my triggers and decked myself... It can be an eye opener. Had to add the blue common your party comes by a river.
@@RazielNightfall oh damn xD yea KD is value city, glad to see it reprinted. Thanks for pointing that out!
Question: I keep removing panharmonicon from my Miirym deck. A) is it worth it to have a big 4-drop and B) won't it just get removed asap? Feels like Miirym does enough on its own. Or am I completely wrong here?
Anyway, great deck list! But a bit too high budget for me.
It could get removed right away, but I think that argument applies to just about everything. I think in a dragon deck a 4 drop is technically ahead of curve for your powerful cards. You'd likely cast this while building up to cast your dragons. I included it in this deck because it synergizes with a lot of cards outside of Miirym himself. Cards like Ganax, Terror of the Peaks, and Scourge of Valkas to name a few. Is it needed? No, there are plenty of cards to replace it with.
I don't know your deck so I couldn't recommend if its a good idea to pull it or not. I would count how many ETB triggers you're running and see just how much synergy it actually provides. I don't think it would be worth it just for Miirym.
Thanks for watching and I hope this helps!
@@MadHatterYT I would link my deck if it was possible, but youtube wont allow it.
But thanks for the feedback! Appreciated.
Yeah, I have quite a lot of ETBs too, but I decided to focus more on instant speed flicker (basically have all blue instant flicker spells), and like 6 haste enablers.
But I guess I have to playtest it in a real setting and in my playgroup before I can decide. I have the card in my collection so everything is possible
@@Wistbacka Np! It is really up to preference, I doubt it will make or break your deck in most games. I find that adding/cutting one card generally doesn't make that much of a difference (unless is like combo pieces or something obviously). I've had decks that I've played dozens of times and can think of cards I've never drawn or used their effect. Someone actually brought one up today in another video. xD I had completely forgot it because I've never had the chance to use it in another deck that runs it.
My general advice is to play cards you find interesting, fun, and/or useful.