It's the torque that makes steam engines so powerful. The Doble steam cars could have up to 1000Nm of torque- that's as much as a Bugatti Veyron! Also for the 1930's they could do 0-60 in 7.2 seconds, which is incredible for a 2-ton car.
This would be cool to have, but I feel the amount of work needed, to be able to safely use this, in a commuter car, would be crazy, considering how much regulations the government would put on them
For those too much worried about the efficiency of everything: I have never heard anyone complaining about the ZERO PERCENT EFFICIENCY when throwing away otherwise usable recycled materials. Such as recycled oil in this clip if I got it correctly.
my son and i made a steam engine for a science fair project. the valve timing was the tricky part. the plans had a tin can for the boiler . i said that will never work . had a big pressure cooker that was used for steam . but at the fair they wouldn't let it run unless enclosed in explosion proof box. so i made a video of it running on compressed air.
good day sir, if you still use this account and do have the steam engine, can you post it so me and other people can see? i am trying to find simple materials and would love to use your steam engine as reference
Good post, Paul. And actually the Stanley (Steamer) brothers were smarter than these people. The made their high-pressure boilers out of wound copper tubing, which is softer. Their boilers were wound thousands of times with piano wire, and tested to over 1000 psi, even though their engines "only" needed about 200 psi or so. If their boilers overheated, the copper tubes melted slowly, and the boiler would simply fail and lose pressure, rather than exploding. Why were engineers back then so smart?
Copper is the best material for conducting heat too. I think the engineers of the past were so smart because they had to work with simple technology and had the chance to learn the basic fundamental laws of nature and mechanics. Our world is way more complicated and engineers learn modern techniques only without fully understanding the basics.
in some of the old Stanley steamer cars that only had a 20 hp engine you could get them up to 60 MPH. It all depends on the weight of the vehicle you are putting the engine in but I do believe that the site said that they have engines that get up to 330 HP. That's enough to run a Semi truck. The only downside is it seems that these aren't for public distribution yet.
This whole video is a joke right? 1:21 A screwdriver to hand torque that "spider bearing" down? 4:41 Water-lubricated? 0:56 Rust-proof-materials in a steam engine? 2:17 Bearings bolted down with spring washers? Bearing as a push rod roller? 1:38 A counter balance that just drops onto the crankshaft, with the cam bolted to it, no bearing on the other side of the crank? 4:00 Performance testing on a test bed that looks like a chemistry set? 2:45 The oscillations on the generator 4:30 never have to refill or top off the water?
Sorry Cheese, but you are wrong. The engine (under the car) crankshaft on a Stanley steam car is geared to the differential directly with no transmission and no neutral. A 20 hp Stanley engine will produce 678 foot-lbs. of torque at 450 psi @ 750 degrees Fahrenheit steam; this is sufficient power to start the car from a dead stop. When the engine turns, the rear axles and wheels turn with exactly the characteristics of a steam locomotive; as the car (or train) begins to pull away, it makes a long, slow "chuff" sound. As speed is gained, the sound becomes very rhythmic (the "I-Think-I-Can" sound of a train). The Stephenson link valve action provides for the engine to run backwards to make the car (or train) back up. All vehicles do not have transmissions.
I wonder if this is classified as a boiler and is it a high pressure or medium pressure boiler. There is a bit of a difference between the two, but both require certain inspection and use permits. High pressure boilers are very dangerous if one runs away. It's rather like a time bomb when one fails.
Less pollution? That is entirely dependent on the fuel and air supply. You can have a steamer roaring at 100 MPH with perfect coal and not the slightest bit of smoke, or have it chuffing its blast pipe once every 3 seconds and see it belch out enough smut and smoke to dust a town in ash fallout.
@@oron61 Cyclone Steam Technologies never delivered any working engines to either a customer or for independent third party testing. The engines shown in the video are very elaborate props used to scam naive investors. It's estimated that Harry Schoell stole $65 million dollars from investors. Funds were diverted through Schoell's other company Schoell Marine and was used to build a multi million dollar mega yacht (powered by Diesel engines).
The fact that you could potentially make an infinite cycle steam engine and produce power forever provided you just have a constant source of water is incredible.
Cyclone doesn't have an engine ready to run a semi yet. The best that I know of is just over 100 hp but Harry (the inventor) and crew have a more powerful engine in the works. For speed check out Jay Leno's garage with his doble steam car. Does 70 mph easily.
Actually, the worlds first steam engine was built and ran by Heron of Alexandria, the Aeolipile. Unfortunately, the potential was not seen for thousands of years.
+Joe Schmoe Technically the first steam engines were in use by the Egyptians. They were ceramic vessels that were placed in the back of a furnace, the water boiling and accelerating the flue gasses to facilitate a greater draft. This was a relatively common practice among unrelated civilizations.
TheRamsberg Not really an engine by conventional thought. I guess sauna's were engines too because they made steam for a purpose? I dont know. This is where history has grey fine lines where ones definition of an engine even starts to break down. Interesting history though.
+Joe Schmoe Definitions can become a deep rabbit hole. Within the confines of "heat engines" anything that converts heat energy into useful work is an engine of sorts. Within a "heat engine" there are various components and singular processes that are often described as an engine, and in reality are anything but. For example the cylinder, piston, connecting rod, crank, etc. assembly is typically referred to as an engine, however since the heat/energy source is external to it(steam), it is technically a motor, just like an electric motor uses an external source of energy(electricity). For the earliest/most widely accepted usage of steam power look up "How to lift water with fire".
i think they meant high power steam engines, which were indeed invented by Richard Trevithick in England a few centuries back. before then, low power heat engines were commonplace.
Water is not a lubricant, of course it needs lubricant. Since the dawn of steam engines drip valves are there to dump water because fluids like water are incompressible. Also, condensers are not 100% efficient, you will need to refill water eventually.
allan froehlich You, good sir, are incorrect. You are confusing slipperiness with lubrication. There is a reason that oil is used as a lubricant, as well as silicon based substances. The only time that water is EVER a lubricant is at a nanoscopic scale. Also, thermodynamics dictates that there is no engine or turbine or compressor or ANYTHING that is ever 100% efficient. It is physically, and mathematically, impossible. There are many equations that demonstrate this, thus there will always be loss in anything that does any work.
allan froehlich Any lubricant has to have a high enough heat capacity to remove heat from the components and to not evaporate, as well. The water will evaporate when the superheated steam and friction come into play. Besides, again, water can not work in a piston environment. Compressing water...an incompressible fluid... into a piston head will lead to catastrophic damage. Look up the second thermodynamics about energy and reversibility. You lose, Batman.
Slipperiness due to a lubricating film of liquid! Steam engines typically get up to temperature and stay there. They won't get hotter than the steam with powers them. If you've ever dealt with steam engines, you'd understand that keeping them warm is important. If the temp goes below the boiling temperature, condensation occurs, which could damage the engine. I'm thinking that the pistons in that engine had ceramic piston rings.
Steve Cummins just replied, I got an email notice, and now I can’t find his comment in this thread. This drives me crazy. So I’ll post his reply here and then address his comment. "steve cummins think it's pretty much same as the hybrid steam/ICE idea. Instead of a boiler, fire an oxyhydrogen blowtorch into the steam expander's inlet manifold. If gaseous fuel is at stored at high enough pressure, it'll don't need pumped, and there'll still be enough pressure behind the "steam flame" to run the engine. Suppose it's kind of like using a small rocket that makes steam to turn the expander over. Avoids the inefficiency of heat transfer across boiler tubes which would otherwise reduce T_hot Does…” So his reply confirms my supposition of what he meant.
The heat exchanger is not a big truck. The heat exchanger is not something that you just dump something onto. The heat exhanger is... ... A SERIES OF TUBES!!!
Go talk to the cyclone folks at cyclone power. They are one of two american teams gearing up to retake the steam land speed record. This engine is much more efficient and well built than the current steam land speed record.
weighs only 250lbs (with combustion chamber), produces 100hp @ 3600rpm, and generates an impressive 850lbs-ft of torque at starting. Cyclone engine. Question is how do I buy one???
When looped into the heat cycle of another much larger heat system.. tests on the stand alone boiler/engine system only produced 33hp with a rather unimpressive 24% thermal fuel efficiency.
The real doktorbimmer I don’t know why you say that; I just resd the following: To date, Cyclone has over 1,000 hours of running (on fuel!) and testing of the engines, They have achieved verified thermal efficiencies above 30%, and is very close to putting the first of these engine models into small-scale commercial production. The’ve been to numbers tech shows to display their engine too. And their lab looks sophisticated to me.
***** That's in its most basic design, the way industrial steam engines work are much more efficient, in fact that's how modern nuclear power plants produce electricity, a steam turbine which is a form of stream engine.
Jordan R. but it is not practical to achieve the same thermal efficiencies of a large scale power plant on the much smaller scale of a portable engine system sized for a automobile of even a locomotive.. In vehicle applications steam is much less efficient than ICEs Cheers!
Hmm, well, the Stanley Steamer engines were built before the ICE and made a record speed of 127 mph in 1906. With steam, if you have a water recycle system (like this one that has a water condensor), you aren't gunna loose water or steam, the only thing that you are gunna loose after the combustion cycles is heat like anyother engine. I mean shit, with technology the way it is, you can use electricity to instantly heat water for peat sakes. And there are different ways you can use this rotary engine to move a vehicle, like, this can generate electricity for an electric motor.
Diesel is more efficient than steam, whether you are talking about steam turbine, or steam piston engines. This is why no ships are built today with steam engines. They are all low speed direct drive diesel. The only advantage to steam engines is you can run them with any combustible fuel that you can feed to the boiler.
Diesel is more efficient ? maximum efficiency of a combustion engine cannot exceed over %35 by theory(approximately). And steam turbines are exceeding % 60 efficiency by reality. Ships are build with steam engines but not in the way you think. Big ships like air craft carriers uses nuclear power plant which uses steam to turn turbines and those turbines turns electric generators and electricity can be stored and distributed in forms of mechanical, light , chemical and heat energy. About the video i wonder what is the efficiency of this engine in real. But pretty interesting one.
The only reason nuclear aircraft carriers use steam turbine propulsion is because they are nuclear. Of course I am not talking about nuclear powered naval vessels. Talking about regular ordinary ships. Nobody cares how efficient a navy ship is. Only how fast it can go and how much ordinance they can deliver onto a target. It doesn't have to be profitable. A cargo ship does. And they are all diesel. Very few steam ships left. If steam were more efficient then all cargo ships would have steam engines. So, why don't they? A steam turbine MIGHT be 60% efficient, I don't know. I doubt it. But even if it is, it still relies on a boiler. How efficient is the boiler, with all its feed pumps, recirc pumps, evaps, condensers, condensate return pumps, etc? Let's say your turbine is 60% efficient. Let's say your boiler and all other associated systems are 50% efficient which I can tell you would be a very generous figure indeed. .6 * .5 = .3, or 30% efficiency overall. On paper. Not even in the real world. If I am wrong, please tell me why cargo ships which must operate profitably, do not use steam propulsion.
+Growley M actually the reason why they are nuclear is about efficiency. because if you try to run that much energy with diesel it costs alot. there are versions of air craft carriers which runs with fuel and they are pretty much budget burners for governments. many submarines also runs in same principle due to efficiency and not being require to refuel oftenly. When we had earthquake in turkey American navy offered my country to feed electricity to effected city grid from a air craft carrier locationed nearby in past. It is seriously superb effective and efficient. About the boiler. again yes. it is higher efficiency thats why thermal power plants using steam turbines to generate power. they burn oil ,heat exchange in boiler (actually its not a boiler its more like a n or r shaped building sized heat exchanger) generate steam and runs steam turbine whole system overal efficiency is over %60 percentage. search about carnot cycle and study on it. the issue is to acive those efficiency there is lots of prerequirements. one is the feed amount of steam aproximately below 10000lb hour steam feed, steam turbines are not so efficent. also steam turbines are efficient in their designed turning speed so they are pretty much crap in varied speeds. also constructing steam engine system which is efficient under those circumstances requires lots of space and weight. in ships those can be achieved but when the size is like an aircraft carrier . think about the smallest thermal electrical power plant you have seen in your life. you need to fit that in a ship. when you consider those and even it is possible to construct that kind of system in ships instead of diesel engine, the initial cost is pretty high. so companies are not doing such designs due to high initial cost. its like buying a carbite drill for using in your home wall drilling. Basically very expensive systems. in addition the maintenance of those systems becomes issue while you are in a ship. your crew should be able to repair whats broken in your ship or the ship will be stranded and will require external repairs. eventhough combustion engine is more malfunctioning than a turbine engine it does not require much specialized tools or technicians or engineers to fix it. operatibility is also another issue thats why its not preferred for capitalist companies. and all companies are capitalist. :) if you ask a question as: can it be done ? yes it can be done. but seriously capitalist bosses does not care about the environmental damage until they find a cheaper more profitable solution :-D so combustion engines will go on till the petroleum finishes in the earth. i am an electrical engineer in a research phase of trying to figure out a low pressure micro steam turbine ,thats how i got to watch this video while checking what other people did on youtube. i think generative system design tools will improve many things in that area (by micro i mean a size of a room ^^ because normally a steam turbine size is like an apartment ) best wishes. dont belive what you are being told ,study and think out of the box ! ^^
It costs a lot more to operate a nuclear aircraft carrier than the same ship with either diesel OR combustible fuled steam. The ONLY reason for nuclear power on aircraft carriers is to be able to travel for years without refueling. That's it. The U.S. Navy is not a profit making venture. They don't care about efficiency. All steam turbine (and of course steam piston) cargo ships that I know of are no longer in service. If it were more profitable to haveal steam propulsion than diesel, once again, it would be so. Probably a third of engineering officers are licensed for BOTH steam and motor. Maintenance of a steam ship is no more challenging than diesel. You apparently don't realize the size of the diesels we are talking about here. Talking about pistons that you and your wife can dance on. Talking about crankcases big enough to need a ladder inside. These are no simpler nor cheaper than a steam plant. I have been going to sea my entire life. I remember steam ships. I don't miss them a bit. If you want to produce power cheaply and have a cheap or free source of heat, then steam is the way to go. If you need more power than a 40 foot tall diesel engine can deliver, then steam turbine is viable. You can get more power from the same space with steam. (NOT talking about nuclear... apples and oranges!) However, in that regard gas turbine is even better. And that is why most of the world's aircraft carriers that are not nuclear, are steam turbine. Not for cost efficiency. They don't CARE about that. commercial shipping does, and commercial shipping has totally abandoned steam propulsion.
+Growley M actually in nuclear energy cost per watt is drastically reduced while efficiency per watt is drastically increased. what you are trying to say is about power densities. In some aspects you are correct. there are certain power densities that steam turbines are not efficient. Also reason for abandoning steam systems due to their complexity and case of malfunctioning in addition that efficiency of burners of the particular times. About part repairing a steam turbine you should check it out. i am a person who has experience in repairing combustion engines. when you compare both repairs combustion engines are far less complicated to repair. when it comes to efficiency on armies i dont know if you have completed your military duty but i have finished my as officer. Military cares alot about efficiency. they just have different set of privileges. At efficiency diesel engine powered air craft carrier sux vs nuclear powered one in terms of efficiency . Nuclear power works with steam. Steam can be produced from any sort of heat energy not just fuel and can transfer more heat into mechanical energy transformation. It has far more complex pre requirements than combustion engines. Changin size of the pistons from cc s to cubic meters doesn't changes the efficiency much of combustion engine. but in steam turbines it drastically effects efficiency . anyways i do not see much benefit of debating with you. i do not learn anything beneficial from you . so i am ending the debate. have your own opinions and stay cool you wont have any further reply from me. best regards.
The technology was completely fake. Cyclone Power was a fraudulent vaporware investment scam. These fake "props" were used to sell shares in a penny stocks and worthless patents.
ufoengines Cyclone Power Technologies was apparently a scam... they never produced a working engine and appear to longer be in business... The companies founder managed to sell a couple of patents the rest of the companies patents have been allowed to expire for failure to pay fees...
+ufoengines doktor negative claims cyclone 'never produced a working engine’ , so I urge you to google it. You will find numerous videos of actual working cyclone engines.
Some Other Dude Oh they made a couple of demo engines alright... but they have never shown any independent data that shows they have anything other than absolutely horrible fuel efficiency just like any other single expansion reciprocation engine ever made. There is absolutely no proof that Cyclone has ever submitted a design for testing that comes even close to their claims of improved efficiency. And no Cyclone engine order has ever been delivered.. Its as scam, Cyclone has laid-off its handful of employees and shut down its facilities.. All of Cyclones patents have expired for failure to pay fees and its stock is currently worthless
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In some powerplants, they use jet engines to burl fuel. The exhaust of jet engines generally generate temperatures from about 600º - 700º. If we put this style of heat absorption behind one of those engines imagine the power we could achieve. Also, if we took the turbine blades in the jet engines and thickened them enough to run water through them, you would get to increase the temperatures of the jet, increasing both its steam-generation and the net thrust.
With majority of energy lost as heat I always wondered why cars aren't equipped with a steam engine to supplement, or even supplant, fossil fuel engines.
Perhaps a internal combustion engine to power recharge batteries and a steam engine that takes the hot exhaust gases and turns that into battery power as well.
weirdyoda04 Ah, I see.. a heat recovery system. modern engines are closer to 60% now combined with heat loss through both the exhaust and the cooling system.
weirdyoda04 I have never seen or heard of such a system using steam for a automobile and its efficiency, size, weight and cost does not seem practical, several manufactures have played around with the ideal of using an exhaust turbine to drive a auxiliary generator or alternator.. a much more practical and direct system to recover waste heat from the exhaust stream. Cheers!
Its a flash steam generator, pump water in one end, very high pressure steam out the other, it is not a pressure vessel. worst thing that can happen is stop pumping water, tubes could melt, but being stainless very unlikely. This aint new technology it been around for years in stanley and other makes of steam cars
GenesisRhapsodos genesis said slip and slides not waterparks those are two different things dummy. The water is flowing in the direction of the slide, that combined with it's steepness keeps you going. Often, if a water slide is too flat and doesn't have heavy enough flow you will find yourself stuck even though you had momentum and there is a current of water pushing you. If there was lube involved, you wouldn't have this problem
What is this BS.... haha none of what they're claiming about performance can possibly be true... what do they mean it doesn't require a transmission??? They show it in a speedboat, let's see that speedboat move haha
Neither Stanley nor Doble steam cars have transmissions. White steam cars have a two-speed rear axle, which is still not a real transmission. Steam locomotives, that ran American railroads for more than a century, did not have transmissions. Why would you think they need a transmission now?
@@sandervanderkammen9230 The Walschaerts gear controls the movement of the valve to throttle the engine, but I wouldn't call it a transmission as the power from the piston is directly transmitted to the wheels.
@@dylanm.3692 I said _"acts like a transmission"_ it has a similar effect on fuel consumption to an overdrive in ICE cars. It's a completely moot point really, Cyclone Power is a defunct vaporware investment scam. It appears that all of the investments in this dubious penny stock company was embezzled and used to build Harry Schoells new yacht.
the engine uses exhaust heat to power itself why not redirect the exhaust through a heat exchange back into the engine would that increase its performance ?
Must everything fit into a car🚗. What of mining rigs/trucks🚛. So many Industrial process including off-grid Electricity Generation. These things can work. 35% efficiency means 100% if the fuel is free. In this case it is.
we how a lot of solar companies went belly up when they were being subsidized. let the free market do its job. Hell create your own steam engine design, patent it, and work your way towards mass production after getting the business licenses to sell them. Then you can calculate how much to sell them based on the cost of production.
But this does burn fossil fuels, and or vegetable fuels, both of which release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Where we can continue to use only renewable fuels such as Vegetable oils then we reduce the risk to the environment...
michael penman i agree. if we burn all our food (vegetable oils etc.), then we will have perfectly clean, renewable energy. the coal lobby is evil. they want to destroy the planet.
I wonder why the compound engine is out of favour... Maybe this rotary design is cheaper to build and less complicated but with stream having more torque why the need for that many cylinders when every stroke is a power stroke unlike a 4 cycle diesel engine?
hentai nat Yup, a total scam.. the video is completely faked.. The "factory" is ironically and quite literally a very elaborate "boiler room" and the company a "pump and dump" type stock investment scam. The television show "How its Made" was duped... Cyclone presented the video to attract unsuspecting investors... to sell stock in the company and to sell its worthless patents.. The 3 key employees which were paid large sums in compensation have also left the company technically bankrupt but has never released a detailed financial statement.. Cyclone Power Technologies stock is currently worthless and its patents have been allowed to expire. Cyclone has never actually delivered an engine to a customer or allowed its engines to be independently test to prove their efficiency claims. just so ya know... cheers!
I came here looking to learn about Cleveland Steamers and left disappointed. Disappointed in the video and disappointed in myself for wanting to believe in a brighter tomorrow for all.
*Tomorrow is already brighter... steam is an old, obsolete technology that cannot compete anymore because it is dirty and horribly inefficient... Cyclone Power technologies was a fraud... a vaporware scam created for the sole purpose of defrauding gullible investors... I hope they rot in jail.*
I don't believe the question here is what is efficient, I would gladly take a steam engine over anything that has to burn fossil fuels any day. Water is a hugely abundant material, one that earth recycles. Heating up the coils with simple propane should be no problem in fact to quote something I read about propane not too long ago " HD-5 (propane) was originally intended for use as vehicle fuel" Propane is not nearly as bad when burned, the only issue you come into contact with is pressure, and specifically different types of pressures, your propane and steam tanks. Which would both need to be made of industrial materials to even be fit to get near an interstate. When you include the cost of propane these days it might not be too bad, it just depends on how much propane it takes to get the amount of steam you need and for how long your journey will be. I think one of the issues you run into, is controlling your peak amounts of steam. This is why relief valves and gauges keep you from getting an explosion. So if you aren't checking these things while driving...well, KABOOM! I think for all intensive purposes steam engines still fit a great many uses today. It could make for fun travel by vehicle if you spent the time engineering it to do a specific task. Also, applying a transmission to a steam engine would be an added benefit because you can stop from forcing too much work on the engine itself. Although steam engines are powerful and strong, it's not hard to mess up the piston.
The problem with steam is low thermal fuel efficiency on the scale of an automobile engine.. heat loss is high so fuel mileage is generally very bad.. this company has had a hard time releasing any info on fuel efficiency and BSFC.. but some tests have shown they are not very good... less than engines currently available.
you still have to burn something to make the heat though... I can run an engine on wood... and waste wood at that. decomposing wood releases the same amount of co2 as if you burned it... same amount of heat as well... why not use that to good use instead of letting it rot... yet, there are those out there would call a person a polluter when they see a wood stove...
killer13324 Coal fired steam turbine powerplans in the over 1,000,000 kilowatt can be very thermally fuel efficient... its why alot of are electrical consumption in the US comes from this type of power plant.
i'm talking small-scale power generators, nothing to power the whole home only to put a little extra power in to relieve the burden and lower the power bills in metropolitan areas. Cant build a windmill and solar panels are wallet-burning expensive.
+Christian Marotta Magnesium, Beryllium, Calcium, Lithium, Potassium, Titanium, Chromium, Gallium, Indium... Some americans might call the banana, bununu but its still wrong.
I would imagine the steam locomotive speed record was not topped because of the average condition of the tracks, not necessarily the limitations of steam power.
That's why the segment is called "How it's made" and not "Guess what's new". None of this technology is new short of some of the materials used. What makes this remarkable is the return to old mechanisms for new reasons, economy and ecology. Who could have thought a steam engine could have been made 'green' and affordable? Steam as an automobile isn't likely in our lifetime. It's taken a 100 years and much public outrage to force the automobile giants to concede to build an electric car and do it badly. TH-cam is filled with videos of garage mechanics & retired engineers who have built or retro-fitted older autombiles with new technologies utilizing new fuels or engine designs. All capable of launching our country into a new level of automotive superiority, world wide. Again, not likely in our lifetime.
Single-acting cylinders using only simple expansion is not as efficient as double-acting cylinders and use of compounding - the exhaust steam from a high-pressure cylinder still has a lot of potential to be used a second or even third time to produce more power output. Doble steam cars were the pinnacle of steam in motor vehicles, and there was even the Besler steam-plane in the 1930s that worked well, but unfortunately the power did not scale up for practice use in anything more than a light aircraft. The perpetual problem of steam engines are that cylinder lubrication is always a total-loss system - mind you early aircraft engineers were too, and pilots used to always be covered in castor oil.
dude diesel is the best engine and the engine of the future diesel can be made from almost evrything from recycled plastics that polute our oceans to pigsfat i know a guy that powers his intire house with a diesel that runs on molten cooking fat,using the exoust heat to melt the fat and worm water for his shower. by the way its me toecuttergpx i,m at my parents house cos i had spinal surgery
Hey, This seems like a great way to power my cabin. Would enough heat be created if I was able to place the tube coil behind the fire place to build enough steam to run the generator?
Provided the furnace is hot enough, yes the Unburnt fuel and waste gases (CO2, CO, NOx, SO2 etc) could react and make less polluting chemicals, though through modern materials this could be possible. The engines would need to run at very high temperature though.
When I first found this company I never thought they were going to get publicity like this. They seemed to be in the prototype stage at the time. I was very interested in this for it's flexible fuel options, water lubrication and closed steam loop and steps taken for efficiency. Although to be honest this how it's made seems more like an ad and I wonder if money was paid for that. Discovery isn't all scientific either, I swear they once showed a compressed air car and left in the claims of over unity. Still I would like this for a car but I see there might be space and driveline orientation problems. I also want to know the thermal efficiency, power output, cost, ease of maintenance and longevity of parts before I give it my approval.
It's the torque that makes steam engines so powerful. The Doble steam cars could have up to 1000Nm of torque- that's as much as a Bugatti Veyron!
Also for the 1930's they could do 0-60 in 7.2 seconds, which is incredible for a 2-ton car.
This would be cool to have, but I feel the amount of work needed, to be able to safely use this, in a commuter car, would be crazy, considering how much regulations the government would put on them
Fake video, the company was a scam
For those too much worried about the efficiency of everything: I have never heard anyone complaining about the ZERO PERCENT EFFICIENCY when throwing away otherwise usable recycled materials. Such as recycled oil in this clip if I got it correctly.
my son and i made a steam engine for a science fair project. the valve timing was the tricky part. the plans had a tin can for the boiler . i said that will never work . had a big pressure cooker that was used for steam . but at the fair they wouldn't let it run unless enclosed in explosion proof box. so i made a video of it running on compressed air.
good day sir, if you still use this account and do have the steam engine, can you post it so me and other people can see? i am trying to find simple materials and would love to use your steam engine as reference
Good post, Paul. And actually the Stanley (Steamer) brothers were smarter than these people. The made their high-pressure boilers out of wound copper tubing, which is softer. Their boilers were wound thousands of times with piano wire, and tested to over 1000 psi, even though their engines "only" needed about 200 psi or so. If their boilers overheated, the copper tubes melted slowly, and the boiler would simply fail and lose pressure, rather than exploding. Why were engineers back then so smart?
Copper is the best material for conducting heat too. I think the engineers of the past were so smart because they had to work with simple technology and had the chance to learn the basic fundamental laws of nature and mechanics. Our world is way more complicated and engineers learn modern techniques only without fully understanding the basics.
That primary heat exchanger is a real engineering crudity. I suspect that thing lasts about six months before it develops leaks.
brass and iron worked in my boat for like the last 25 years without leek.
*This company is a defunct vaporware scam... defrauded its investors of millions of dollars and produced absolutely nothing....*
@@doktorbimmer What company is that?
@@AtlasReburdened Cyclone was a scam, its defunct now.
in some of the old Stanley steamer cars that only had a 20 hp engine you could get them up to 60 MPH. It all depends on the weight of the vehicle you are putting the engine in but I do believe that the site said that they have engines that get up to 330 HP. That's enough to run a Semi truck. The only downside is it seems that these aren't for public distribution yet.
This whole video is a joke right? 1:21 A screwdriver to hand torque that "spider bearing" down? 4:41 Water-lubricated? 0:56 Rust-proof-materials in a steam engine? 2:17 Bearings bolted down with spring washers? Bearing as a push rod roller? 1:38 A counter balance that just drops onto the crankshaft, with the cam bolted to it, no bearing on the other side of the crank? 4:00 Performance testing on a test bed that looks like a chemistry set? 2:45 The oscillations on the generator 4:30 never have to refill or top off the water?
DEFUNCT VAPORWARE SCAM! ITS ALL A BIG JOKE
2:52 The need of a transmission is not dependent on the power of the engine. All Vehichles have a transmission
*The need of a transmission is completely irrelevant when this company was nothing but a fake investment scam.*
Sorry Cheese, but you are wrong. The engine (under the car) crankshaft on a Stanley steam car is geared to the differential directly with no transmission and no neutral. A 20 hp Stanley engine will produce 678 foot-lbs. of torque at 450 psi @ 750 degrees Fahrenheit steam; this is sufficient power to start the car from a dead stop. When the engine turns, the rear axles and wheels turn with exactly the characteristics of a steam locomotive; as the car (or train) begins to pull away, it makes a long, slow "chuff" sound. As speed is gained, the sound becomes very rhythmic (the "I-Think-I-Can" sound of a train). The Stephenson link valve action provides for the engine to run backwards to make the car (or train) back up. All vehicles do not have transmissions.
@@danhaynes3200 a form of a transmission. Might not have gears, it makes the motor the transmission too
@@danhaynes3200 Still has a variable load transmission system and a final drive transmission.
@@CheeseMiser Fake steam engines like Cyclone don't need a transmission because the video is completely staged to scam investors.
I wonder if this is classified as a boiler and is it a high pressure or medium pressure boiler. There is a bit of a difference between the two, but both require certain inspection and use permits. High pressure boilers are very dangerous if one runs away. It's rather like a time bomb when one fails.
Less pollution? That is entirely dependent on the fuel and air supply. You can have a steamer roaring at 100 MPH with perfect coal and not the slightest bit of smoke, or have it chuffing its blast pipe once every 3 seconds and see it belch out enough smut and smoke to dust a town in ash fallout.
These engines produce zero emissions.
So do electric motors. That doesn't change the fact that said electric motor could be powered by a hydrodam or by a coal plant.
@@oron61 Cyclone Steam Technologies was nothing but an elaborate vaporware investment scam.
Fake prop engines don't produce emissions.
The motor only moves when you heat it, which requires emissions.
@@oron61 Cyclone Steam Technologies never delivered any working engines to either a customer or for independent third party testing.
The engines shown in the video are very elaborate props used to scam naive investors.
It's estimated that Harry Schoell stole $65 million dollars from investors.
Funds were diverted through Schoell's other company Schoell Marine and was used to build a multi million dollar mega yacht (powered by Diesel engines).
Who said that the steam locomotives are dead. Just make a fiberglass body of an old steam locomotive and install one of these babies.
discover cold fusion and we got infinte fuel :D atleast it will take a while to use all :D
The fact that you could potentially make an infinite cycle steam engine and produce power forever provided you just have a constant source of water is incredible.
Well you would obviously also need an infinite supply of energy to boil that water.
Cyclone doesn't have an engine ready to run a semi yet. The best that I know of is just over 100 hp but Harry (the inventor) and crew have a more powerful engine in the works. For speed check out Jay Leno's garage with his doble steam car. Does 70 mph easily.
Actually, the worlds first steam engine was built and ran by Heron of Alexandria, the Aeolipile. Unfortunately, the potential was not seen for thousands of years.
+Joe Schmoe Technically the first steam engines were in use by the Egyptians. They were ceramic vessels that were placed in the back of a furnace, the water boiling and accelerating the flue gasses to facilitate a greater draft. This was a relatively common practice among unrelated civilizations.
TheRamsberg
Not really an engine by conventional thought. I guess sauna's were engines too because they made steam for a purpose? I dont know. This is where history has grey fine lines where ones definition of an engine even starts to break down.
Interesting history though.
+Joe Schmoe Definitions can become a deep rabbit hole.
Within the confines of "heat engines" anything that converts heat energy into useful work is an engine of sorts.
Within a "heat engine" there are various components and singular processes that are often described as an engine, and in reality are anything but. For example the cylinder, piston, connecting rod, crank, etc. assembly is typically referred to as an engine, however since the heat/energy source is external to it(steam), it is technically a motor, just like an electric motor uses an external source of energy(electricity).
For the earliest/most widely accepted usage of steam power look up "How to lift water with fire".
TheRamsberg
By that definition the first man to boil his meal in water using fire made the first steam engine.
Fucking definitions. . . . . . . ugh.
i think they meant high power steam engines, which were indeed invented by Richard Trevithick in England a few centuries back. before then, low power heat engines were commonplace.
Are they commercially available? If so, at what cost?
Water is not a lubricant, of course it needs lubricant. Since the dawn of steam engines drip valves are there to dump water because fluids like water are incompressible. Also, condensers are not 100% efficient, you will need to refill water eventually.
Have you ever slipped on a wet surface? (water lubricates certain materials)
A condenser can be 100% efficient under nominal conditions.
allan froehlich You, good sir, are incorrect. You are confusing slipperiness with lubrication. There is a reason that oil is used as a lubricant, as well as silicon based substances. The only time that water is EVER a lubricant is at a nanoscopic scale. Also, thermodynamics dictates that there is no engine or turbine or compressor or ANYTHING that is ever 100% efficient. It is physically, and mathematically, impossible. There are many equations that demonstrate this, thus there will always be loss in anything that does any work.
allan froehlich Any lubricant has to have a high enough heat capacity to remove heat from the components and to not evaporate, as well. The water will evaporate when the superheated steam and friction come into play. Besides, again, water can not work in a piston environment. Compressing water...an incompressible fluid... into a piston head will lead to catastrophic damage. Look up the second thermodynamics about energy and reversibility. You lose, Batman.
Slipperiness due to a lubricating film of liquid!
Steam engines typically get up to temperature and stay there. They won't get hotter than the steam with powers them. If you've ever dealt with steam engines, you'd understand that keeping them warm is important. If the temp goes below the boiling temperature, condensation occurs, which could damage the engine.
I'm thinking that the pistons in that engine had ceramic piston rings.
allan froehlich Man, wouldn't it be nice if water actually created lubricated films like oil does!? :D too bad it doesn't.
Steve Cummins just replied, I got an email notice, and now I can’t find his comment in this thread. This drives me crazy. So I’ll post his reply here and then address his comment.
"steve cummins
think it's pretty much same as the hybrid steam/ICE idea. Instead of a boiler, fire an oxyhydrogen blowtorch into the steam expander's inlet manifold. If gaseous fuel is at stored at high enough pressure, it'll don't need pumped, and there'll still be enough pressure behind the "steam flame" to run the engine. Suppose it's kind of like using a small rocket that makes steam to turn the expander over.
Avoids the inefficiency of heat transfer across boiler tubes which would otherwise reduce T_hot
Does…”
So his reply confirms my supposition of what he meant.
The heat exchanger is not a big truck.
The heat exchanger is not something that you just dump something onto.
The heat exhanger is...
...
A SERIES OF TUBES!!!
Go talk to the cyclone folks at cyclone power. They are one of two american teams gearing up to retake the steam land speed record. This engine is much more efficient and well built than the current steam land speed record.
Well if you slow it down to somewhere between 85 - 90mph, you could return to the future and see that, in the future, it is 160mph.
So cool.Where can I buy one?
Only model train
Incorrect. Combusting at lower pressure= less oxygen for combustion= more unburnt fuel= more hydrocarbon emissions= more greenhouse gases.
*Fake company, Fake video... I feel bad for the people that were scammed by these crooks!*
depending on size and scale hp can be almost unlimited steam is pressure from outside rather than ic engines
I wish their claims were real, I'd love a proper steam car
*Sadly their claims were all fake.*
Say folks Ya'll might wanna check your physics books but water is not a lubricant!!
Cyclone Power was completely fake, nothing more than a clever investment scam.
weighs only 250lbs (with combustion chamber), produces 100hp @ 3600rpm, and generates an impressive 850lbs-ft of torque at starting. Cyclone engine. Question is how do I buy one???
When looped into the heat cycle of another much larger heat system.. tests on the stand alone boiler/engine system only produced 33hp with a rather unimpressive 24% thermal fuel efficiency.
doktorbimmer What was the availability of the waste heat?
MrShobar 100% of the Cyclone maximum rated capacity
MrShobar There seem to be an increasing amount of evidence coming out that points to Cyclone Power Technologies is nothing more than a scam.
The real doktorbimmer I don’t know why you say that; I just resd the following: To date, Cyclone has over 1,000 hours of running (on fuel!) and testing of the engines, They have achieved verified thermal efficiencies above 30%, and is very close to putting the first of these engine models into small-scale commercial production. The’ve been to numbers tech shows to display their engine too. And their lab looks sophisticated to me.
Did she mean early 17th century and not the 1700s..?
Beautiful engineering right there!
I wonder what sort of pump is used to pump in the water? Any ideas
why dont we see more of green cars in the world?
cuz of the fucking major oil companys
dont say that about yourself you're more than that
LOL dont get mad im having fun with you
***** That's in its most basic design, the way industrial steam engines work are much more efficient, in fact that's how modern nuclear power plants produce electricity, a steam turbine which is a form of stream engine.
Jordan R. but it is not practical to achieve the same thermal efficiencies of a large scale power plant on the much smaller scale of a portable engine system sized for a automobile of even a locomotive..
In vehicle applications steam is much less efficient than ICEs
Cheers!
doktorbimmer
It's called an Airship ;)
Hmm, well, the Stanley Steamer engines were built before the ICE and made a record speed of 127 mph in 1906. With steam, if you have a water recycle system (like this one that has a water condensor), you aren't gunna loose water or steam, the only thing that you are gunna loose after the combustion cycles is heat like anyother engine. I mean shit, with technology the way it is, you can use electricity to instantly heat water for peat sakes. And there are different ways you can use this rotary engine to move a vehicle, like, this can generate electricity for an electric motor.
Diesel is more efficient than steam, whether you are talking about steam turbine, or steam piston engines. This is why no ships are built today with steam engines. They are all low speed direct drive diesel. The only advantage to steam engines is you can run them with any combustible fuel that you can feed to the boiler.
Diesel is more efficient ? maximum efficiency of a combustion engine cannot exceed over %35 by theory(approximately). And steam turbines are exceeding % 60 efficiency by reality.
Ships are build with steam engines but not in the way you think. Big ships like air craft carriers uses nuclear power plant which uses steam to turn turbines and those turbines turns electric generators and electricity can be stored and distributed in forms of mechanical, light , chemical and heat energy.
About the video i wonder what is the efficiency of this engine in real. But pretty interesting one.
The only reason nuclear aircraft carriers use steam turbine propulsion is because they are nuclear. Of course I am not talking about nuclear powered naval vessels. Talking about regular ordinary ships. Nobody cares how efficient a navy ship is. Only how fast it can go and how much ordinance they can deliver onto a target. It doesn't have to be profitable. A cargo ship does. And they are all diesel. Very few steam ships left. If steam were more efficient then all cargo ships would have steam engines. So, why don't they?
A steam turbine MIGHT be 60% efficient, I don't know. I doubt it. But even if it is, it still relies on a boiler. How efficient is the boiler, with all its feed pumps, recirc pumps, evaps, condensers, condensate return pumps, etc? Let's say your turbine is 60% efficient. Let's say your boiler and all other associated systems are 50% efficient which I can tell you would be a very generous figure indeed. .6 * .5 = .3, or 30% efficiency overall. On paper. Not even in the real world.
If I am wrong, please tell me why cargo ships which must operate profitably, do not use steam propulsion.
+Growley M actually the reason why they are nuclear is about efficiency. because if you try to run that much energy with diesel it costs alot. there are versions of air craft carriers which runs with fuel and they are pretty much budget burners for governments. many submarines also runs in same principle due to efficiency and not being require to refuel oftenly. When we had earthquake in turkey American navy offered my country to feed electricity to effected city grid from a air craft carrier locationed nearby in past. It is seriously superb effective and efficient.
About the boiler. again yes. it is higher efficiency thats why thermal power plants using steam turbines to generate power. they burn oil ,heat exchange in boiler (actually its not a boiler its more like a n or r shaped building sized heat exchanger) generate steam and runs steam turbine whole system overal efficiency is over %60 percentage. search about carnot cycle and study on it.
the issue is to acive those efficiency there is lots of prerequirements. one is the feed amount of steam aproximately below 10000lb hour steam feed, steam turbines are not so efficent. also steam turbines are efficient in their designed turning speed so they are pretty much crap in varied speeds. also constructing steam engine system which is efficient under those circumstances requires lots of space and weight. in ships those can be achieved but when the size is like an aircraft carrier . think about the smallest thermal electrical power plant you have seen in your life. you need to fit that in a ship. when you consider those and even it is possible to construct that kind of system in ships instead of diesel engine, the initial cost is pretty high. so companies are not doing such designs due to high initial cost. its like buying a carbite drill for using in your home wall drilling. Basically very expensive systems. in addition the maintenance of those systems becomes issue while you are in a ship. your crew should be able to repair whats broken in your ship or the ship will be stranded and will require external repairs. eventhough combustion engine is more malfunctioning than a turbine engine it does not require much specialized tools or technicians or engineers to fix it. operatibility is also another issue thats why its not preferred for capitalist companies. and all companies are capitalist. :)
if you ask a question as:
can it be done ? yes it can be done. but seriously capitalist bosses does not care about the environmental damage until they find a cheaper more profitable solution :-D so combustion engines will go on till the petroleum finishes in the earth.
i am an electrical engineer in a research phase of trying to figure out a low pressure micro steam turbine ,thats how i got to watch this video while checking what other people did on youtube. i think generative system design tools will improve many things in that area (by micro i mean a size of a room ^^ because normally a steam turbine size is like an apartment )
best wishes. dont belive what you are being told ,study and think out of the box ! ^^
It costs a lot more to operate a nuclear aircraft carrier than the same ship with either diesel OR combustible fuled steam. The ONLY reason for nuclear power on aircraft carriers is to be able to travel for years without refueling. That's it. The U.S. Navy is not a profit making venture. They don't care about efficiency.
All steam turbine (and of course steam piston) cargo ships that I know of are no longer in service. If it were more profitable to haveal steam propulsion than diesel, once again, it would be so. Probably a third of engineering officers are licensed for BOTH steam and motor. Maintenance of a steam ship is no more challenging than diesel. You apparently don't realize the size of the diesels we are talking about here. Talking about pistons that you and your wife can dance on. Talking about crankcases big enough to need a ladder inside. These are no simpler nor cheaper than a steam plant. I have been going to sea my entire life. I remember steam ships. I don't miss them a bit.
If you want to produce power cheaply and have a cheap or free source of heat, then steam is the way to go. If you need more power than a 40 foot tall diesel engine can deliver, then steam turbine is viable. You can get more power from the same space with steam. (NOT talking about nuclear... apples and oranges!) However, in that regard gas turbine is even better. And that is why most of the world's aircraft carriers that are not nuclear, are steam turbine. Not for cost efficiency. They don't CARE about that. commercial shipping does, and commercial shipping has totally abandoned steam propulsion.
+Growley M actually in nuclear energy cost per watt is drastically reduced while efficiency per watt is drastically increased.
what you are trying to say is about power densities. In some aspects you are correct. there are certain power densities that steam turbines are not efficient. Also reason for abandoning steam systems due to their complexity and case of malfunctioning in addition that efficiency of burners of the particular times. About part repairing a steam turbine you should check it out. i am a person who has experience in repairing combustion engines. when you compare both repairs combustion engines are far less complicated to repair.
when it comes to efficiency on armies i dont know if you have completed your military duty but i have finished my as officer. Military cares alot about efficiency. they just have different set of privileges. At efficiency diesel engine powered air craft carrier sux vs nuclear powered one in terms of efficiency . Nuclear power works with steam. Steam can be produced from any sort of heat energy not just fuel and can transfer more heat into mechanical energy transformation. It has far more complex pre requirements than combustion engines.
Changin size of the pistons from cc s to cubic meters doesn't changes the efficiency much of combustion engine. but in steam turbines it drastically effects efficiency .
anyways i do not see much benefit of debating with you. i do not learn anything beneficial from you . so i am ending the debate. have your own opinions and stay cool you wont have any further reply from me.
best regards.
No one will take you seriously when you go caps rage.
Last time I checked you weren't supposed to mix metals you know like Aluminum and Stainless Steel, because that's how you get cathodic corrosion.
The technology was completely fake.
Cyclone Power was a fraudulent vaporware investment scam.
These fake "props" were used to sell shares in a penny stocks and worthless patents.
COOL! Have you done any work on Stirling Engines?
ufoengines Cyclone Power Technologies was apparently a scam... they never produced a working engine and appear to longer be in business... The companies founder managed to sell a couple of patents the rest of the companies patents have been allowed to expire for failure to pay fees...
+ufoengines doktor negative claims cyclone 'never produced a working engine’ , so I urge you to google it. You will find numerous videos of actual working cyclone engines.
Some Other Dude Oh they made a couple of demo engines alright... but they have never shown any independent data that shows they have anything other than absolutely horrible fuel efficiency just like any other single expansion reciprocation engine ever made.
There is absolutely no proof that Cyclone has ever submitted a design for testing that comes even close to their claims of improved efficiency.
And no Cyclone engine order has ever been delivered..
Its as scam, Cyclone has laid-off its handful of employees and shut down its facilities..
All of Cyclones patents have expired for failure to pay fees and its stock is currently worthless
I think you will find that the steam engine actually started the industrial revolution
Actually, the water wheel started it.
how do you turbocharge it?
Definitely use it as the engine of the car.
Where can I buy one? This would be a great for a car!
R. Kidd not unless you are willing to pay for a lot more fuel to go the same distance...
@Mr Sunshines *Based on the fact that this company was a huge investment fraud stealing millions of dollars from stupid people like you!*
This company called "Cyclone power technologies". Just Google it.
It there a way to find out the manufacturer, price and shipping costs?
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In some powerplants, they use jet engines to burl fuel. The exhaust of jet engines generally generate temperatures from about 600º - 700º. If we put this style of heat absorption behind one of those engines imagine the power we could achieve. Also, if we took the turbine blades in the jet engines and thickened them enough to run water through them, you would get to increase the temperatures of the jet, increasing both its steam-generation and the net thrust.
holy crap what's the size of that electric generator?
With majority of energy lost as heat I always wondered why cars aren't equipped with a steam engine to supplement, or even supplant, fossil fuel engines.
Steam engines are much less fuel efficient and generally require higher maintenance
I was suggesting adding a steam to use the conventional engines wasted heat. The heat that accounts for 70+% of wasted energy.
Perhaps a internal combustion engine to power recharge batteries and a steam engine that takes the hot exhaust gases and turns that into battery power as well.
weirdyoda04 Ah, I see.. a heat recovery system. modern engines are closer to 60% now combined with heat loss through both the exhaust and the cooling system.
weirdyoda04 I have never seen or heard of such a system using steam for a automobile and its efficiency, size, weight and cost does not seem practical, several manufactures have played around with the ideal of using an exhaust turbine to drive a auxiliary generator or alternator.. a much more practical and direct system to recover waste heat from the exhaust stream.
Cheers!
The fastest steam locomotive ever recorded only did 125 mph...not anywhere near 160.
Its a flash steam generator, pump water in one end, very high pressure steam out the other, it is not a pressure vessel. worst thing that can happen is stop pumping water, tubes could melt, but being stainless very unlikely. This aint new technology it been around for years in stanley and other makes of steam cars
www.cyclonepower.com/ is the company. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_Mark_V_Engine
Can you do the hokie-pokie 'cause that's what it's all about...
i thot water wasnt a lubricant
it is. slip and slides.
GenesisRhapsodos
slip and slides use soap...yeah water can make something slippery but it's not lube
water parks dont use soaps on their rides. *major facepalm*
GenesisRhapsodos
genesis said slip and slides not waterparks those are two different things dummy. The water is flowing in the direction of the slide, that combined with it's steepness keeps you going. Often, if a water slide is too flat and doesn't have heavy enough flow you will find yourself stuck even though you had momentum and there is a current of water pushing you. If there was lube involved, you wouldn't have this problem
How can I buy from india
This was a hoax
What is this BS.... haha none of what they're claiming about performance can possibly be true... what do they mean it doesn't require a transmission??? They show it in a speedboat, let's see that speedboat move haha
Neither Stanley nor Doble steam cars have transmissions. White steam cars have a two-speed rear axle, which is still not a real transmission. Steam locomotives, that ran American railroads for more than a century, did not have transmissions. Why would you think they need a transmission now?
This company was a scam, it fleeced its investors and folded.
@@danhaynes3200 The Walschaerts gear acts as a transmission..
Something clearly missing from this fake steam engine.
@@sandervanderkammen9230 The Walschaerts gear controls the movement of the valve to throttle the engine, but I wouldn't call it a transmission as the power from the piston is directly transmitted to the wheels.
@@dylanm.3692 I said _"acts like a transmission"_ it has a similar effect on fuel consumption to an overdrive in ICE cars.
It's a completely moot point really, Cyclone Power is a defunct vaporware investment scam.
It appears that all of the investments in this dubious penny stock company was embezzled and used to build Harry Schoells new yacht.
I want to know the company that makes these.
Where can I buy this engine?
You can't, the company was only an elaborate investment scam.
who makes this and how can i order one ?
4:36 *Jay Leno wants to know your location*
*Jay Leno is too smart yo fall for this fake vaporware scam.*
Would this engine suitable for aircraft? I t would be great to fly a steam plane!
Its not real, the company was an investment scam
It's been done.
The Besler Brothers designed, built and flew a steam plane in 1933. The engine still exists. th-cam.com/video/nw6NFmcnW-8/w-d-xo.html
the engine uses exhaust heat to power itself why not redirect the exhaust through a heat exchange back into the engine would that increase its performance ?
It was only designed to fool investors...
4:36 Was great until she said that crap :P
Water is not a lubricant!
I want to see a steam powered airplane
Justin DeFouw It should have a whistle! Tooooooot!
Must everything fit into a car🚗. What of mining rigs/trucks🚛. So many Industrial process including off-grid Electricity Generation. These things can work. 35% efficiency means 100% if the fuel is free. In this case it is.
The video is completely fake.
This defunct company was nothing more than a clever investment scam.
Fake engines have zero percent efficiency
steam is not a pollutant unlike fossil fuels. this engine is therefore eco friendly and should be subsidized just like wind, solar, etc.
we how a lot of solar companies went belly up when they were being subsidized. let the free market do its job. Hell create your own steam engine design, patent it, and work your way towards mass production after getting the business licenses to sell them. Then you can calculate how much to sell them based on the cost of production.
But this does burn fossil fuels, and or vegetable fuels, both of which release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Where we can continue to use only renewable fuels such as Vegetable oils then we reduce the risk to the environment...
michael penman i agree. if we burn all our food (vegetable oils etc.), then we will have perfectly clean, renewable energy.
the coal lobby is evil. they want to destroy the planet.
But then we can spend more time planting and burning fuel crops that we will have to cut down more trees to make room for food crops, etc.
Marutan Ray Coal is a "vegetable" based fuel
good
i think this should be called "how to vaguely assemble a steam engine"..not how its made.
*This should be called "how the producers of the show got duped into promoting a scam company..." shame on them.*
I wonder why the compound engine is out of favour... Maybe this rotary design is cheaper to build and less complicated but with stream having more torque why the need for that many cylinders when every stroke is a power stroke unlike a 4 cycle diesel engine?
This was all just a bullshit vaporware scam... just some crooks trying to dupe naive investors
I will like an answer to this, can a one cylinder steam engine be better than a 4cylinder steam engine
nice video
Clifford Short Fake video... alot of people got taken one this one..
+The real doktorbimmer so this is bs?
hentai nat Yup, a total scam.. the video is completely faked..
The "factory" is ironically and quite literally a very elaborate "boiler room" and the company a "pump and dump" type stock investment scam.
The television show "How its Made" was duped... Cyclone presented the video
to attract unsuspecting investors... to sell stock in the company and to sell its worthless patents..
The 3 key employees which were paid large sums in compensation have also left the company technically bankrupt but has never released a detailed financial statement..
Cyclone Power Technologies stock is currently worthless and its patents have been allowed to expire.
Cyclone has never actually delivered an engine to a customer or allowed its engines to be independently test to prove their efficiency claims.
just so ya know... cheers!
The real doktorbimmer I knew it was bs,thanks for the info.
So they paid "how it's made" to show this?
Won't work, stop click baiting!!
or the vid jay leno certified car nut
I came here looking to learn about Cleveland Steamers and left disappointed. Disappointed in the video and disappointed in myself for wanting to believe in a brighter tomorrow for all.
*Tomorrow is already brighter... steam is an old, obsolete technology that cannot compete anymore because it is dirty and horribly inefficient... Cyclone Power technologies was a fraud... a vaporware scam created for the sole purpose of defrauding gullible investors... I hope they rot in jail.*
Diesel engines can't burn money.
Is dat how we play garrys modd and stuff?
Nice try , history repeats itself.
Cyclone Power Technologies...Google it
I don't believe the question here is what is efficient, I would gladly take a steam engine over anything that has to burn fossil fuels any day. Water is a hugely abundant material, one that earth recycles. Heating up the coils with simple propane should be no problem in fact to quote something I read about propane not too long ago " HD-5 (propane) was originally intended for use as vehicle fuel" Propane is not nearly as bad when burned, the only issue you come into contact with is pressure, and specifically different types of pressures, your propane and steam tanks. Which would both need to be made of industrial materials to even be fit to get near an interstate. When you include the cost of propane these days it might not be too bad, it just depends on how much propane it takes to get the amount of steam you need and for how long your journey will be. I think one of the issues you run into, is controlling your peak amounts of steam. This is why relief valves and gauges keep you from getting an explosion. So if you aren't checking these things while driving...well, KABOOM! I think for all intensive purposes steam engines still fit a great many uses today. It could make for fun travel by vehicle if you spent the time engineering it to do a specific task. Also, applying a transmission to a steam engine would be an added benefit because you can stop from forcing too much work on the engine itself. Although steam engines are powerful and strong, it's not hard to mess up the piston.
The problem with steam is low thermal fuel efficiency on the scale of an automobile engine.. heat loss is high so fuel mileage is generally very bad.. this company has had a hard time releasing any info on fuel efficiency and BSFC.. but some tests have shown they are not very good... less than engines currently available.
you still have to burn something to make the heat though... I can run an engine on wood... and waste wood at that. decomposing wood releases the same amount of co2 as if you burned it... same amount of heat as well... why not use that to good use instead of letting it rot... yet, there are those out there would call a person a polluter when they see a wood stove...
doktorbimmer they could be useful as power generators to relieve some of the pain from power bills
killer13324 Coal fired steam turbine powerplans in the over 1,000,000 kilowatt can be very thermally fuel efficient... its why alot of are electrical consumption in the US comes from this type of power plant.
i'm talking small-scale power generators, nothing to power the whole home only to put a little extra power in to relieve the burden and lower the power bills in metropolitan areas. Cant build a windmill and solar panels are wallet-burning expensive.
So , what's the cost per HP ?
Depends on what fuel you use.
true in a steam engian i suggest using normal car fluid XD i perfer unleaded fule because it becomes steam faster and gives you more hp in it
S0NICFAN1467 I hear uranium has pretty good MPG.
Pharozos but if you used it you would probably get cancer :P
Want.
Wait, What,Bullshit!
rather have a small block v8 :)
Well, you can actually buy a real small block... everything in this video was fake... the company all a big scam.
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iluminum? ITS ALUMINIUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+Kristian Messenger America is being stubborn again...
+TimdeKleijn more like gullible.. unfortunately alot of folks lost there investment to some very clever theives
TimdeKleijn it’s how we talk. Idk why u gotta care
@Frank Brown *Sir Humphry Davy was right... brits are too stupid to spell **_Aluminum_** correctly.*
@Frank Brown *Its correctly spelled **_ALUMINUM_** Dummy... just the way its discoverer Sir Humphy Davy and the Americans have always spelled it...*
"Theyre made out of aluminum" no they're not! theyre made of aluminium!
There's the english pronuncetion "aluminium" and the american one "aluminum"
+Christian Marotta
Magnesium, Beryllium, Calcium, Lithium, Potassium, Titanium, Chromium, Gallium, Indium...
Some americans might call the banana, bununu but its still wrong.
Molybdenum, not molybdenium. I’ll go with saving a letter!
I would imagine the steam locomotive speed record was not topped because of the average condition of the tracks, not necessarily the limitations of steam power.
"The circular engine"= A radial engine, commonly used in propeller driven aircraft of the 20th century... nothing new here.
That's why the segment is called "How it's made" and not "Guess what's new". None of this technology is new short of some of the materials used. What makes this remarkable is the return to old mechanisms for new reasons, economy and ecology. Who could have thought a steam engine could have been made 'green' and affordable? Steam as an automobile isn't likely in our lifetime. It's taken a 100 years and much public outrage to force the automobile giants to concede to build an electric car and do it badly. TH-cam is filled with videos of garage mechanics & retired engineers who have built or retro-fitted older autombiles with new technologies utilizing new fuels or engine designs. All capable of launching our country into a new level of automotive superiority, world wide. Again, not likely in our lifetime.
***** not true, you just design the piston stroke for slight over-expansion.
Single-acting cylinders using only simple expansion is not as efficient as double-acting cylinders and use of compounding - the exhaust steam from a high-pressure cylinder still has a lot of potential to be used a second or even third time to produce more power output. Doble steam cars were the pinnacle of steam in motor vehicles, and there was even the Besler steam-plane in the 1930s that worked well, but unfortunately the power did not scale up for practice use in anything more than a light aircraft.
The perpetual problem of steam engines are that cylinder lubrication is always a total-loss system - mind you early aircraft engineers were too, and pilots used to always be covered in castor oil.
that little engine would not power a toothbrush?!!
Don't kid yourself, a two-cylinder 20 hp Stanley steam car engine produces as much torque as a Ford Powerstroke Diesel V8.
dude diesel is the best engine and the engine of the future diesel can be made from almost evrything from recycled plastics that polute our oceans to pigsfat i know a guy that powers his intire house with a diesel that runs on molten cooking fat,using the exoust heat to melt the fat and worm water for his shower. by the way its me toecuttergpx i,m at my parents house cos i had spinal surgery
YES!!!! THE GREAT TITAN OF STEAM WILL SOON RISE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
Hey, This seems like a great way to power my cabin. Would enough heat be created if I was able to place the tube coil behind the fire place to build enough steam to run the generator?
I like your thinking brother
How can I get one of these?
*These engines are all fake, they were "props" used in a very elaborate vaporware investment scam which is now defunct.*
Does anyone know the company that makes these?
Id rarther have the UK vierson
Steam in 5 seconds.....amazing
How much one like this cost. And where I can buy one. I'm very interested to buy it
Completely fake, the company was a scam.
It's only single expansion
*It was only a vaporware scam... absolutely no real engineering going on here... just a massive investment fraud.*
looks just like an old aeroplane engine
But steam powered.
@@samanli-tw3id True
Provided the furnace is hot enough, yes the Unburnt fuel and waste gases (CO2, CO, NOx, SO2 etc) could react and make less polluting chemicals, though through modern materials this could be possible. The engines would need to run at very high temperature though.
Steam engines may be less thermally efficient, but they can burn anything!
I'd like to see an IC engine burn money when the fuel runs out.
When I first found this company I never thought they were going to get publicity like this. They seemed to be in the prototype stage at the time. I was very interested in this for it's flexible fuel options, water lubrication and closed steam loop and steps taken for efficiency. Although to be honest this how it's made seems more like an ad and I wonder if money was paid for that. Discovery isn't all scientific either, I swear they once showed a compressed air car and left in the claims of over unity. Still I would like this for a car but I see there might be space and driveline orientation problems. I also want to know the thermal efficiency, power output, cost, ease of maintenance and longevity of parts before I give it my approval.
Here's a simple fact of physics water is not a lubricant!
They added small drops of oil to the water. Something that comes naturally with diesel.