I really enjoyed the detailed content. However I would have liked to see more of the speaker itself. For example a walk around and a shot that gives you more of a sense of scale in the room.
Awesome video very informative and it made me want to put my car up for sale just to buy these speakers! The guy was really engaging keep up the good work brother.
Wow Matt that was really good, the thorough all considerations format was really my speed, I liked the way you covered the driver technologies before getting into the phase reversed crosstalk things, and then crossover and binding posts were a really great desert, plus all the other considerations well thought of and mentioned. I thought the whole format was brilliant and I wish more reviews of all products followed this sort of cogent relevant breakdown. It was soo good, I feel like it might be worth leading with the speaker info right out the gate. These speakers look like they’re instant classics! I’m happy for you, and look forward to hearing tidbits and insights squeaking out in episodes to come. It feels good knowing that my favorite reviewers have some crazy shit like this at home, and in their cognitive repertoire. I think it’d be cool to see some comparisons with the ki-three.
I had the Polk SDA CRS + for 30 years and loved them but when home theater started I felt they didn't quite work as fronts. I eventually sold them 2 years ago and never thought Polk would bring them back. I use the Polk LSIM 707s and 706C now and find that if you spend a lot of time with speaker placement you can get a sound similar to what the old SDA sounded like with that huge soundstage. I always set up my SDA facing straight into room with no toe in.Not so with the 707s.
I used to own the Polk SDA SRS 2.3's back in the early 90's. Loved them. They also had the sound cancelling tech. It's only been about 8 years since I sold them.
good video your right about the Atmos modules there there for another option if you don't have the right ceiling environment for in ceiling. I know in ceiling or on the ceiling is better for atmos or all those multi formats. You said about bi amping is it ok to use I have a spare 9 channel Onkyo receiver can I use that for bi amping those ?
CEM ESTEBAN pop noise? You mean when I tried them with a balanced amplifier was I hearing a popping sound? No I don’t recall that. I don’t turn my amps off though. My balanced amp goes into an auto standby mode.
Matthew Poes I was wondering if you experienced any noise coming from the dimensional array speakers - outsides speakers during power on and power off?
My brother in law still has the origional SDA speaker system which was alot taller.H e drove it with a Nad preamp/tunerwith a AMC CD player into a Kinnergettics power amp.
Hello there. Thank you for your videos. I have an interesting experience with my home theater system. I was running some frequency tests on my system to see how high I can still hear and I was impressed that I can hear above 19000 hrz. But there was something weird, I couldn't hear the frequencies between 10,000-15,000hrz. Do you think that my system is not playing those frequencies? It's not my hearing for sure as I can above the 15000 hrz and bellow the 10,000hrz. Hope you have an answer for my question
It is most likely a hole or a null in your frequency response. You should be able to test it with an spl meter. MIght be your room, might be the speakers. I see it sometimes too in certain frequencies. What I also see sometimes is the level slowly modulate and go up and down in volume slowly. I am going to assume it is the room loading up or something? I don't know enough about accoustics for that to be more than a wild guess though lol. If you are really concerned about your hearing have your ears checked by a place that does it. I think you can find places that do it for free sometimes. Or sometimes your insurance will cover it once a year or every couple of years. My hearing tests show I have a bit of dead spot in the mid range. Probably from years of factory work and no hearing protection. Oddly enough though I don't like speakers that have a lot of midrange lol. And back when I used an EQ those were always the frequencies I would cut. The brain is weird isn't it.
Yes and no. If you bought identical speakers and they were narrow enough to be placed close enough to the other drivers, you could conceivably wire up your own version of this crossover. But it would be a lot of work and the effect might not be very effective. It’s hard to get right.
Also, I was under the impression that if you biwired between bass and treble to separate amps, that you could run time delay calibration with a microphone with the primary amp, and that it would delay the first amp to match up with the second slower amp. Maybe it’s my misperception, but isn’t bi amping bass just like using a subwoofer? How is a subwoofer different than any other secondary amplifier being time controlled by the master amplifier?
SwirlingDragonMist the preamp output and the built in amplifier of a receiver are slaved to each other. You couldn’t time align. The LFE output used for subs is different.
Matthew Poes I know there’s some variation between brands in their bass management options. But assuming we had the bass+LFE ouput option, could we bass manage Bass+LFE into the Sub-out, and split that to the second amp’s left/right inputs, then time align with the auto calibration? With the binding posts on the speaker still bridged.
SwirlingDragonMist I think I may have confused you in my description in the video. You need to use the bass section of the tower for the left and right bass because they need to cross at the right level, 2-300hz. You can’t feed it with a mono LFE feed. It needs the L and R feeds respectively.
No it's L-R and R-L, the ground reference comes from the amplifier so you can't use an amp with differential outputs or you lose 6dB of the SDA effect.
Big Jay if it’s who I think it is, I question his hearing and have measurements to go with my assertions. A lot of folks are setting these up wrong. I’ll do some more videos just in setup. Finishing the review video and article as we speak.
@@PoesAcoustics Thanks for your reply🤗😇 I think you are a fantastic asset to Gene!🤯 I hope he is treating you well!😉 With this market down turn, I just might buy a pair of used $$$$$ WILSONS FROM SOME smuck on Margin!🤪🤔🤫🤫🤫😋😋😋 People are going to need money awfully quick!🤔😬😬😬😬
Audio Electronics it’s meant to be a top of the line cost no object speaker. Best drivers and best version of SDA. In that case it’s a good enough value.
@@Audioholics Manually adjusting toe in can adjust the sound impression al lot. With these speakers you kind of stuck with what you got and can´t do anything. Thats not an advantage.
jojosthlm you really need to listen to these setup before judging them. Toe in helps get the best measured response to your ears. Polk already did this for you while taking away a different complication this design creates. The relative distance of the SDA drivers and main drivers to each ear must be maintained. Their distance was precisely set to match the average distance between our ears. Changing the toe changes the relative distance and reduces the amount of crosstalk cancelation.
Joakim # crosstalk is far from a non-problem. Researchers have been looking at this problems for decades because it makes such a big difference. You really need to hear this speaker to understand what it’s improving. I don’t think this speakers sound is for everyone, but for people into staging and imaging, it’s a speaker you must hear.
These speakers are finicky you setup correctly. They also have a soundstage that is so unique that if you think the norm is right, you will think this is wrong. But they really sound great and have a soundstage like nothing you have ever heard before. But...set them up wrong and they can be pretty underwhelming. You really need to take care in setup. I’ve noted other reviews and even some shops have them setup wrong.
Have a Spritzer was not a review as I said over and over again. I am working on the review video as well as the sound demo. The primary holdup there is that this speaker works its magic through crosstalk cancelation. At the moment my recordings of log sweeps shows me that my binaural recording is not matching a real human head for crosstalk. That means you won’t hear what I hear until I get that fixed. The primary problem is that my head isn’t a head and I need to get a better proxy. I’m working on it. As I’ve stated many times before, in room recordings of speakers is a terrible means to demo a speaker. Most people do it wrong and what you hear isn’t a good approximation. I’m going to do my best to fix that so my demo is at least passable.
That was a kickass unboxing video, probably the best I've seen to date. Looking forward to the review.
Can’t wait for the full review. Excellent video! Thanks guys!!
Wow! I can't wait to get some of these when they go on sale! I currently have some old school SDA 2B that I currently live and will Never sell.
I really enjoyed the detailed content. However I would have liked to see more of the speaker itself. For example a walk around and a shot that gives you more of a sense of scale in the room.
I got to hear a pair of these in a local store, they are pretty impressive!
Nice. I've been looking forward to the detailed review for months. Hope it's close.
How much of a tip did you give the delivery guys?
ikr? that's what i was thinking especially with the narrow stairway.
Awesome video very informative and it made me want to put my car up for sale just to buy these speakers! The guy was really engaging keep up the good work brother.
Wow Matt that was really good, the thorough all considerations format was really my speed, I liked the way you covered the driver technologies before getting into the phase reversed crosstalk things, and then crossover and binding posts were a really great desert, plus all the other considerations well thought of and mentioned. I thought the whole format was brilliant and I wish more reviews of all products followed this sort of cogent relevant breakdown. It was soo good, I feel like it might be worth leading with the speaker info right out the gate. These speakers look like they’re instant classics! I’m happy for you, and look forward to hearing tidbits and insights squeaking out in episodes to come. It feels good knowing that my favorite reviewers have some crazy shit like this at home, and in their cognitive repertoire. I think it’d be cool to see some comparisons with the ki-three.
I had the Polk SDA CRS + for 30 years and loved them but when home theater started I felt they didn't quite work as fronts. I eventually sold them 2 years ago and never thought Polk would bring them back. I use the Polk LSIM 707s and 706C now and find that if you spend a lot of time with speaker placement you can get a sound similar to what the old SDA sounded like with that huge soundstage. I always set up my SDA facing straight into room with no toe in.Not so with the 707s.
I really appreciate your presentation. You do a guy like me ie not the sharpest tack in the audiophile box. a great service.
I used to own the Polk SDA SRS 2.3's back in the early 90's. Loved them. They also had the sound cancelling tech. It's only been about 8 years since I sold them.
The subtitles say he's anxiously waiting for the "Hulk Audio" speakers.🤣
How much is this incredible device??? I want to buy right now!!
good video your right about the Atmos modules there there for another option if you don't have the right ceiling environment for in ceiling. I know in ceiling or on the ceiling is better for atmos or all those multi formats. You said about bi amping is it ok to use I have a spare 9 channel Onkyo receiver can I use that for bi amping those ?
Did you notice a pop noise at power on and off when using balanced power?
CEM ESTEBAN pop noise? You mean when I tried them with a balanced amplifier was I hearing a popping sound? No I don’t recall that. I don’t turn my amps off though. My balanced amp goes into an auto standby mode.
Matthew Poes I was wondering if you experienced any noise coming from the dimensional array speakers - outsides speakers during power on and power off?
beautiful sounding speakers. will get these and an outlaw 7900 or anthem p5 amp hooked up to a yamaha cx 5200 pre. in my dreams.
Which is the better speaker: Klipsch RF-7 III or Polk L800?
Why did you guys never do a full review for these?
HI HOW LARGE IS YOUR ROOM?
Great content. So much better than other channels.
Hey I just saw you on the news my heart goes out to you. I'm here also my prayers for you and your family God Bless
@Csab he had cv
Hello, what do you recommend to me? RBH SV-831Rs SV-1212N or polk l800 speakers? thanks.
I had a pair of the original SDA speakers and listening to the Beetles Yellow Submarine was an experienced of be believed.
My brother in law still has the origional SDA speaker system which was alot taller.H e drove it with a Nad preamp/tunerwith a AMC CD player into a Kinnergettics power amp.
Hello there. Thank you for your videos. I have an interesting experience with my home theater system. I was running some frequency tests on my system to see how high I can still hear and I was impressed that I can hear above 19000 hrz. But there was something weird, I couldn't hear the frequencies between 10,000-15,000hrz. Do you think that my system is not playing those frequencies? It's not my hearing for sure as I can above the 15000 hrz and bellow the 10,000hrz. Hope you have an answer for my question
It is most likely a hole or a null in your frequency response. You should be able to test it with an spl meter. MIght be your room, might be the speakers. I see it sometimes too in certain frequencies. What I also see sometimes is the level slowly modulate and go up and down in volume slowly. I am going to assume it is the room loading up or something? I don't know enough about accoustics for that to be more than a wild guess though lol. If you are really concerned about your hearing have your ears checked by a place that does it. I think you can find places that do it for free sometimes. Or sometimes your insurance will cover it once a year or every couple of years. My hearing tests show I have a bit of dead spot in the mid range. Probably from years of factory work and no hearing protection. Oddly enough though I don't like speakers that have a lot of midrange lol. And back when I used an EQ those were always the frequencies I would cut. The brain is weird isn't it.
If so many informations are included in the unboxing I can't even imagine what the review will bring !
are the blue things to the left and right, absorption or dispersion?
Those are absorbers.
How are the Polk s50 do you know
Is this something we can do with our existing speakers?
Yes and no. If you bought identical speakers and they were narrow enough to be placed close enough to the other drivers, you could conceivably wire up your own version of this crossover. But it would be a lot of work and the effect might not be very effective. It’s hard to get right.
Looking forward to the review
Also, I was under the impression that if you biwired between bass and treble to separate amps, that you could run time delay calibration with a microphone with the primary amp, and that it would delay the first amp to match up with the second slower amp. Maybe it’s my misperception, but isn’t bi amping bass just like using a subwoofer? How is a subwoofer different than any other secondary amplifier being time controlled by the master amplifier?
SwirlingDragonMist the preamp output and the built in amplifier of a receiver are slaved to each other. You couldn’t time align. The LFE output used for subs is different.
Matthew Poes I know there’s some variation between brands in their bass management options. But assuming we had the bass+LFE ouput option, could we bass manage Bass+LFE into the Sub-out, and split that to the second amp’s left/right inputs, then time align with the auto calibration? With the binding posts on the speaker still bridged.
SwirlingDragonMist I think I may have confused you in my description in the video. You need to use the bass section of the tower for the left and right bass because they need to cross at the right level, 2-300hz. You can’t feed it with a mono LFE feed. It needs the L and R feeds respectively.
Well presented Matt I enjoyed watching
What do you mean by not using a balanced amp? Do you mean don’t use XLR and use RCA connections?
No. He explained it in the video...
They do not work in all rooms. Sad more colors are not available for the price.
There is a lot of misinformation out about this speaker we hope to clear up in the formal review so stay tuned....
Great review !
Great video, thanks Matt.
So the theory behind the SDA is the same as a Carver holographic unit, but the Carver works on any pair of speakers and costs a lot less.
Yes but sonic holography is not as effective.
@@PoesAcoustics Why ? The same L-R & R-L signals are being applied to each stereo channel.
Wow, those speakers would occupy 50% of my flat! :)
Uses positive only for the SDA array? Must be referenced to something, how does the speaker know what absolute ground is?
No it's L-R and R-L, the ground reference comes from the amplifier so you can't use an amp with differential outputs or you lose 6dB of the SDA effect.
Remember the Carver C-9 Sonic Hologram Generator? Same principal, different execution. C-9 worked well.
that is a pretty pair
For those who can't wait for a detailed review: th-cam.com/video/D3ezBecK788/w-d-xo.html Looking forward to Audioholics' more detailed review!
Informative video! Pretty harsh on the negligible benefits of bi-wiring though... lol.
Well that was enjoyable to watch.😉😬 Unfortunately another reviewer kinda ruined the speaker for me but we'll ofcourse see what you find!🤔🤔😬
Big Jay if it’s who I think it is, I question his hearing and have measurements to go with my assertions.
A lot of folks are setting these up wrong. I’ll do some more videos just in setup. Finishing the review video and article as we speak.
@@PoesAcoustics
Thanks for your reply🤗😇 I think you are a fantastic asset to Gene!🤯 I hope he is treating you well!😉 With this market down turn, I just might buy a pair of used $$$$$ WILSONS FROM SOME smuck on Margin!🤪🤔🤫🤫🤫😋😋😋 People are going to need money awfully quick!🤔😬😬😬😬
I'm happy with my martin logan 40 😊
JDmsz i have motion 20 and i am super happy. Imagine 40 is even better
So whatcha doin here?
Wow your beard grows fast, I know, this wasn't all in one day LOL.
No Demo 😞
I'm glad bi-wiring as pointless was mentioned. It's time to kill these audio myths once and for all.
$6 ooo ?
Good video
Nice
Bi amped is the way to go, just use the same signal and not split the hi's and low's or you will get way too much hi's.
Holy moly crab 🦀
Sure they look great but $6,000 for the pair plus the taxes is kind of ewwww
Not bad compared to B&W 800 D3 at $30k
Audio Electronics it’s meant to be a top of the line cost no object speaker. Best drivers and best version of SDA. In that case it’s a good enough value.
This was a darn good review compared to Andrew Robinson's on his channel! Thank-you!
This was only our unboxing video. More to come...
I know. Still, you covered more at this time. I patiently await your next!
Good
Camera/ Video angle Sucks !
10" woofers they really looks/equivalent like subwoofers , HUH?????
"Gonna need a bigger boat"..!
Seems like an overcomplication of a non problem. Overengineering is my impression. Why not use manual toe in, too easy?
these speakers don't require toe-in and in fact will reduce the SDA effect if you do so like we stated in the video.
@@Audioholics Manually adjusting toe in can adjust the sound impression al lot. With these speakers you kind of stuck with what you got and can´t do anything. Thats not an advantage.
jojosthlm you really need to listen to these setup before judging them. Toe in helps get the best measured response to your ears. Polk already did this for you while taking away a different complication this design creates. The relative distance of the SDA drivers and main drivers to each ear must be maintained. Their distance was precisely set to match the average distance between our ears. Changing the toe changes the relative distance and reduces the amount of crosstalk cancelation.
Joakim # crosstalk is far from a non-problem. Researchers have been looking at this problems for decades because it makes such a big difference. You really need to hear this speaker to understand what it’s improving. I don’t think this speakers sound is for everyone, but for people into staging and imaging, it’s a speaker you must hear.
$6000 for the pair!
$2,500 a piece
A Frankenstein speaker.
I've only heard terrible things about these speakers as of late
These speakers are finicky you setup correctly. They also have a soundstage that is so unique that if you think the norm is right, you will think this is wrong. But they really sound great and have a soundstage like nothing you have ever heard before.
But...set them up wrong and they can be pretty underwhelming. You really need to take care in setup. I’ve noted other reviews and even some shops have them setup wrong.
huh?
speakers with SDR? while headphone users chase crossfeed solutions.
For 6 grand id rather have 6 pairs of the polk audio rti a9s. And i guaranteed that it would sound and be way louder lmao
Dayum, that music... 🤢
Sounds like my phone
lotta faffing but no real sound demo,who cares!
Have a Spritzer was not a review as I said over and over again.
I am working on the review video as well as the sound demo. The primary holdup there is that this speaker works its magic through crosstalk cancelation. At the moment my recordings of log sweeps shows me that my binaural recording is not matching a real human head for crosstalk. That means you won’t hear what I hear until I get that fixed. The primary problem is that my head isn’t a head and I need to get a better proxy. I’m working on it.
As I’ve stated many times before, in room recordings of speakers is a terrible means to demo a speaker. Most people do it wrong and what you hear isn’t a good approximation. I’m going to do my best to fix that so my demo is at least passable.