I bought 5 Nautilus 805’s for my 5.1 home theater 20 years ago and the sound is still wonderful. It’s nice to see B&W continue to innovate. If money were no concern, I would have 801’s in that beautiful Tiger’s Eye finish. Thanks for sharing this.
Thanks for sharing. Yes even 50 year old B&W speakers still sound fantastic. It is never a mistake to buy great speakers. They last longer than any other component. Thanks for watching
@@AudioAdvice I’ve heard the 805 d4 and currently on the 805 d3 in my honest opinion, I only feel there’s about a 10 to 13% improvement directly from what the speaker implements. Obviously, not all the technologies are in this model such as the spider. The differences between those models may be a little more prevalent. Personally, though I don’t believe that it’s worth the upgrade for the difference. I mean sure there are variables such as the equipment you connected to the wiring if you want to get that crazy into it but honestly as it is rewarding they have a very good system. It is one of the biggest money pits of a hobby, if not, properly thought out. I myself actually would believe that it would be more of a considerable upgrade say coming from the generation of D2 or earlier. for me to consider an upgrade it would have to be at least 40 to 60% difference especially considering even the stair mount model is now up in price at 8500+ not even counting the $1250 that is almost in my opinion, necessary to secure your investment, so it really is a consideration all around that it has to be a definite, definite bigger improvement. Between those two generations. I could see the D3 generation being a speaker I stay with for many years. I actually like that style better than the newer one, even if there are scientific improvements to the sound, I don’t know it seems classier say is an example, like a grand piano just looks really classy. The newer ones my biggest scribe would be placement, especially for the ladder on top. Obviously, you would not want to have direct sunlight on that leather at any point, you would not want to see cracks or damage obviously with devalue them right away so it’s all a consideration. I’ve always been cautious on electronics. I appreciate your channel I know because you sell electronics it is a very fine line you have to walk between selling and being honest with people. Obviously you would not want to say well. This product sucks, but we’re carrying it anyway but you don’t wanna come off as hiding anything as well. You do a really good job of conveying information in a balanced fashion, and I always respected you for it as a company again thank you for your information and work.
I’ve heard 801 D4s with Pass Labs electronics. It was closest I’ve ever heard to a live performance. Resolution, detail, and sound-staging were amazing.
@@AudioAdvice I love my 705 s2. Treat them with absolute respect. If I can get 80-85 % of d3 I’m grateful. If I could get at least 70-75% of the d4 series I’m grateful.
This felt more like a promo than a review; no comparison to the previous model with regard to sound, nothing I couldn’t also get from a manufacturer show reel.
@@enderrobinson5556 I can, the question is whether I want to. Also what's with ad hominem attacks on random people on the internet? Were you raised by wolves?
Re: spyder: old speakers didn’t start with a cloth spider. They used something closer to what the b&w looks like, not as advanced. I had some Sony speaker drivers that used plastic “maze” spring style of spider. Certain full range speakers do not use any spyder
Yes, there are very few of the thousands out there that had something different, but probably 99% of them do have this type, just do a search for midrange speaker driver and look at the images. Thanks for watching.
I’m not a fan of the aluminum cap and leather, especially on the 804 and 805. It looks less elegant to me, like a lid. 25% price increase is a lot. Tweeter with the branding looks nicer to me though.
The aluminum top plate does serve up audio improvements, the people in our store who have seen them so far, mostly like the leather, but all do not. However, it is soft and adds to the reduction in diffraction, which is a good thing. Thanks for watching.
Besides spending about $35K for the 801 D4s, you need to spend also about $20K for a fine Preamp, about $40K for a pair of fine mono Amps, a $20K for a fine turntable, about $15K for the speaker cables, about 7K for interconnects cables and about a $50K for an audio room. Total audio setup cost: $187,000.00
I’m a big B&W fan as my local dealer sells 800 series. I have 804 D3s. I think hearing the new versions might be fatal for my wallet. I had 803Ds before and they were amazing - less articulate than the D3s but omg - the scale !
Patrick. Do not listen to them!! I own several B&W speakers. Currently my flagship is the 804 D2. Just sold those today and ordered the new 803 D4’s after listening to them in person at a local dealer. I was originally going to go with the 804’s but did not get to demo those. I did however demo the 805 and 803’s. Both were amazing and finally after great thought and selling some gear I ordered the 803’s. They sounded amazing and I was fortunate to have over 2 hrs alone throwing all kinds of music at the 803 D4’s.
@@AudioAdvice how is the bass with the two 10 inch woofers vs the older model 801N that had one 15 inch woofer?? I didn’t see how two 10 inch woofers can compete with one 15 inch woofer.
I've been a B&W "collector" since the early 80's. The new ones probably sound great but recent entries seem to be lacking the same (older) craftsmanship. In this case; it looks to me like less wood, less labor to build & lower manufacturing cost. If I sound like an old guy it's because I am. It would take a lot for me to spend $8K on the new 805D4.
B&W has invested heavily in several 1M+ machines to remove some manual labor, but when you see these in person, it might change your mind. We have been a dealer since right after the original 801, these are by far the best built we have seen. Thanks for watching
We have had a 50/50 split with our team on the leather appearance. It does offer a softer surface which helps reduce reflections. And the aluminum top plate is a great idea. Thanks for watching.
They should be careful to not become too analytical sounding. How much distortion could the old spyder have caused. In fact some distortion actually sounds desirable much like tube amps.
I was really looking forward to possibly getting some 805 d3 this year, and these just came out. Bowers missed the mark with the pricing on these. This looks like either greed or COVID pricing. It's fundamentally the same speaker as before. I think they will see less sales at these prices. I could see 7000 tops for the 805d4, they overpriced them.
@@AudioAdvice if they were smart companies would offer payment installments with more flexibility for people to own these. The best alone should be for only the rich. Quite ridiculous
Your argument on price between the 805 D4 and 804 D4 is no longer a valid one. 14,000 from 8,500 is a big jump. Much more than that 10,000 price from launch. Should be reflected in an updated video. Even with the official stands from bowers and Wilkins it’s quite a bit cheaper than 14,000
@@RennieAsh Their specs are always listed +/- 3dB, which is pretty flat. Yes, no speaker actually is completely flat and the room changes everything more than any speaker spec. Their speakers have just been consistently neutral for decades, which is why you see them in so many studios. Thanks for watching
Audio Advice +/-3dB it’s not as “flat as possible”. Furthermore, their off axis response is definitely not within that spec. There’s more to measurements than the brochure and sales pitches. Being used in studios also isn’t necessarily an indicator of being flat. The ns10 is used in studios and it has a nice midrange peak. There are speakers that measure within +/-1.5dB with a much more consistent off axis response - the reflected sound of the room which you recognise, will be much more neutral with a consistent off axis response. I own a pair of B&W. They sound nice. But I wouldn’t say that they are the most neutral speaker. What they do well is reducing the harshness in parts of the midrange response, and making music pleasant and a big sense of scale (floor standers)
Absolutely beautiful speakers.. it’s really cool that so many things I’ve heard before have been produced on speakers just like these. Great video!
Glad you like them!
Well done on this! So informative, as always. Can’t wait to take a trip up to see you from Atlanta. Keep it coming, and thanks so much.
Thank you! Will do!
I bought 5 Nautilus 805’s for my 5.1 home theater 20 years ago and the sound is still wonderful. It’s nice to see B&W continue to innovate. If money were no concern, I would have 801’s in that beautiful Tiger’s Eye finish. Thanks for sharing this.
Thanks for sharing. Yes even 50 year old B&W speakers still sound fantastic. It is never a mistake to buy great speakers. They last longer than any other component. Thanks for watching
Bowers and Wilkins 800 series always push the state of the art forward. I'm sure these D4 models will be spectacular.
They are, no question!
@@AudioAdvice I’ve heard the 805 d4 and currently on the 805 d3 in my honest opinion, I only feel there’s about a 10 to 13% improvement directly from what the speaker implements. Obviously, not all the technologies are in this model such as the spider. The differences between those models may be a little more prevalent. Personally, though I don’t believe that it’s worth the upgrade for the difference. I mean sure there are variables such as the equipment you connected to the wiring if you want to get that crazy into it but honestly as it is rewarding they have a very good system. It is one of the biggest money pits of a hobby, if not, properly thought out. I myself actually would believe that it would be more of a considerable upgrade say coming from the generation of D2 or earlier. for me to consider an upgrade it would have to be at least 40 to 60% difference especially considering even the stair mount model is now up in price at 8500+ not even counting the $1250 that is almost in my opinion, necessary to secure your investment, so it really is a consideration all around that it has to be a definite, definite bigger improvement. Between those two generations. I could see the D3 generation being a speaker I stay with for many years. I actually like that style better than the newer one, even if there are scientific improvements to the sound, I don’t know it seems classier say is an example, like a grand piano just looks really classy. The newer ones my biggest scribe would be placement, especially for the ladder on top. Obviously, you would not want to have direct sunlight on that leather at any point, you would not want to see cracks or damage obviously with devalue them right away so it’s all a consideration. I’ve always been cautious on electronics. I appreciate your channel I know because you sell electronics it is a very fine line you have to walk between selling and being honest with people. Obviously you would not want to say well. This product sucks, but we’re carrying it anyway but you don’t wanna come off as hiding anything as well. You do a really good job of conveying information in a balanced fashion, and I always respected you for it as a company again thank you for your information and work.
I’ve heard 801 D4s with Pass Labs electronics. It was closest I’ve ever heard to a live performance. Resolution, detail, and sound-staging were amazing.
That sounds like a great combination! Thanks for watching our video
@@AudioAdvice I love my 705 s2. Treat them with absolute respect. If I can get 80-85 % of d3 I’m grateful. If I could get at least 70-75% of the d4 series I’m grateful.
@@stevenoconnor5693 Steven, thanks for sharing!
Once again, a great informative video. One of the best so far that I have seen!
Wow, thanks!
I’m so deep in my audio addiction that I know if I was to hear these with the Mcintosh amps my system would not be acceptable anymore!!!
Yes, it is a fun hobby! Thanks for watching
What a thing of beauty these speakers are 👌
We agree! Thanks for watching
Those look awesome!! Great review.
Thanks so much!
This felt more like a promo than a review; no comparison to the previous model with regard to sound, nothing I couldn’t also get from a manufacturer show reel.
I wouldn’t worry too much about it. I’m sure you can’t afford them.
@@enderrobinson5556 I can, the question is whether I want to. Also what's with ad hominem attacks on random people on the internet? Were you raised by wolves?
Not really an attack to say most people probably can’t afford 35k a pair speakers.
I'm curious,how much Bowers and Wilkins payed him fo this stipid presentation?
@@enderrobinson5556 The D4 series starts at 8k for the 805.
Can’t wait to hear these new 800 series 😍
We should have more demo's soon in both our Raleigh and Charlotte stores. Thanks for watching
As usual Craig, a great review.
Glad you enjoyed it
Can't wait to hear these beauties!
They sound fantastic on our showroom on the big McIntosh stack!
Re: spyder: old speakers didn’t start with a cloth spider. They used something closer to what the b&w looks like, not as advanced.
I had some Sony speaker drivers that used plastic “maze” spring style of spider.
Certain full range speakers do not use any spyder
Yes, there are very few of the thousands out there that had something different, but probably 99% of them do have this type, just do a search for midrange speaker driver and look at the images. Thanks for watching.
Can't wait to give these a listen
The do sound fantastic!
The arms are looking good!
What a great design!
Yes, they are incredible!
This was a great! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I’m not a fan of the aluminum cap and leather, especially on the 804 and 805. It looks less elegant to me, like a lid. 25% price increase is a lot. Tweeter with the branding looks nicer to me though.
The aluminum top plate does serve up audio improvements, the people in our store who have seen them so far, mostly like the leather, but all do not. However, it is soft and adds to the reduction in diffraction, which is a good thing. Thanks for watching.
It's not a lot, it is inflation so it's a less
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
B&W speaker wow perfect 🥰🥰🥰
Thanks!
Besides spending about $35K for the 801 D4s, you need to spend also about $20K for a fine Preamp, about $40K for a pair of fine mono Amps, a $20K for a fine turntable, about $15K for the speaker cables, about 7K for interconnects cables and about a $50K for an audio room.
Total audio setup cost: $187,000.00
If you wanted the ultimate yes, but you do not have to to get great sound Thanks for watching
Very informative.
Glad you think so!
great video! I wish B&W would make something larger to compete with the Larger Wilson Audio speakers like the ALEXX
That would be a heck of a speaker, yes! Thanks for watching
The Wilson Alexx is very overrated. Stick to your B&W. Bigger is not better.
Wilson Audio speakers are so ugly though 😩
I’m a big B&W fan as my local dealer sells 800 series. I have 804 D3s. I think hearing the new versions might be fatal for my wallet. I had 803Ds before and they were amazing - less articulate than the D3s but omg - the scale !
You should go listen when your local dealer gets them in. Thanks for watching
Patrick. Do not listen to them!! I own several B&W speakers. Currently my flagship is the 804 D2. Just sold those today and ordered the new 803 D4’s after listening to them in person at a local dealer. I was originally going to go with the 804’s but did not get to demo those. I did however demo the 805 and 803’s. Both were amazing and finally after great thought and selling some gear I ordered the 803’s. They sounded amazing and I was fortunate to have over 2 hrs alone throwing all kinds of music at the 803 D4’s.
@@crushedagave420 We agree with you, the new 803 is amazing
Interesting setup,
However, MC275VI on the midrange and tweeters would be interesting
Yes, it would! Or even better their new hybrid biamp amp the MC901! Thanks for watching
AWESOME VIDEO!!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it
@@AudioAdvice how is the bass with the two 10 inch woofers vs the older model 801N that had one 15 inch woofer?? I didn’t see how two 10 inch woofers can compete with one 15 inch woofer.
The 805 d4 with d3 stands work great
Yes, that is a great speaker
Wish I could afford one.
Thanks for watching
I've been a B&W "collector" since the early 80's. The new ones probably sound great but recent entries seem to be lacking the same (older) craftsmanship. In this case; it looks to me like less wood, less labor to build & lower manufacturing cost. If I sound like an old guy it's because I am. It would take a lot for me to spend $8K on the new 805D4.
B&W has invested heavily in several 1M+ machines to remove some manual labor, but when you see these in person, it might change your mind. We have been a dealer since right after the original 801, these are by far the best built we have seen. Thanks for watching
Superb ❤❤
Thanks 🤗
5:10 I wonder what sound volume caused this bending. And laminated wood does not count as innovation.
Are those 802 or 801s in the background?
802, thanks for watching
Is it true that B&W speakers sound bright?
That is purely a matter of personal taste. They do not measure with a tipped up top end though, very flat. Thanks for watching
They always reminded me of Daleks.
Not as much as an even more expensive pair of Wilsons do!
What is a Dalek? We had never heard of that and a google search turns up a funky bluetooth speaker? Thanks for watching
Beautiful speakers, but that man sure did keep my attention the entire video. He’s gorgeous!
Thanks for watching, Brandon!
McIntosh + 800s B&W = Heaven.
Yet I still prefer Martin Logan’s, especially the ESL 13As
Either one with the McIntosh stack sound pretty darn good! Thanks for watching!
Bullshit😂
805 d4 are excellent
We agree, thanks for sharing
Really don't like the leather.... if they wanted something different, they should have used black glass or something...
We have had a 50/50 split with our team on the leather appearance. It does offer a softer surface which helps reduce reflections. And the aluminum top plate is a great idea. Thanks for watching.
A pity that they’re no longer a Brit‘s owned company…. Used to have a N804 followed by a N801 before the Chinese intervened
B&W is now owned by Sound United, who is owned by DEI Holdings of California. The 800 series is still made in the UK. Thanks for watching
I'm convinced time to take out a 30 year loan with 3.5% to get these speakers 🔊
Thanks for sharing. We hope you enjoy them
They should be careful to not become too analytical sounding. How much distortion could the old spyder have caused. In fact some distortion actually sounds desirable much like tube amps.
Yes, it is all about the sum of the parts.
I was really looking forward to possibly getting some 805 d3 this year, and these just came out. Bowers missed the mark with the pricing on these. This looks like either greed or COVID pricing. It's fundamentally the same speaker as before. I think they will see less sales at these prices. I could see 7000 tops for the 805d4, they overpriced them.
COVID has had a huge impact on pricing, mostly due to the massive change in shipping costs. Thanks for watching
@@AudioAdvice if they were smart companies would offer payment installments with more flexibility for people to own these. The best alone should be for only the rich. Quite ridiculous
Great overview - Thanks. But the title says 'review'... Not the same thing.
Thanks for watching
Sound test on TH-cam ! Where is it ? Pls don't just keep on Talking.. OMF !
IS THERE BETTER SPEAKERS?
These are top of the line!
$17,500 per each floor standing speaker.
I mean....who has that just laying around?
"Pay off my car, house....or spend that $35,000 on two speakers?"
A lot of people can afford to buy such things.
More power to 'em.
Your argument on price between the 805 D4 and 804 D4 is no longer a valid one. 14,000 from 8,500 is a big jump. Much more than that 10,000 price from launch. Should be reflected in an updated video. Even with the official stands from bowers and Wilkins it’s quite a bit cheaper than 14,000
Thanks for pointing that out, we wish YT would let us modify existing videos :)
👍👍♥️♥️
Thanks for watching
Are they flat?
Bowers & Wilkins always goes for as flat a response as possible, which is why so many recording engineers use them. Thanks for watching
Audio Advice that’s false as many of their speakers do not measure “flat”
@@RennieAsh I wonder how they compare to the Kii Three, which is another ultra-premium monitor I've never liked the sound of when hearing demos on YT.
@@RennieAsh Their specs are always listed +/- 3dB, which is pretty flat. Yes, no speaker actually is completely flat and the room changes everything more than any speaker spec. Their speakers have just been consistently neutral for decades, which is why you see them in so many studios. Thanks for watching
Audio Advice +/-3dB it’s not as “flat as possible”. Furthermore, their off axis response is definitely not within that spec. There’s more to measurements than the brochure and sales pitches. Being used in studios also isn’t necessarily an indicator of being flat. The ns10 is used in studios and it has a nice midrange peak.
There are speakers that measure within +/-1.5dB with a much more consistent off axis response - the reflected sound of the room which you recognise, will be much more neutral with a consistent off axis response.
I own a pair of B&W. They sound nice. But I wouldn’t say that they are the most neutral speaker. What they do well is reducing the harshness in parts of the midrange response, and making music pleasant and a big sense of scale (floor standers)
B&W speaker mcintoshi is mis matching! no good high end sound
That is a matter of personal preference, but most B&W dealers also sell McIntosh and love the combination. Thanks for watching
Man you guys are late to the game. 😂 I’ve seen so much videos about these already. I didn’t even know they were releasing knew models.
Thanks for watching!
mcintosh 그리고 pass Power amp 하고 B&W 800 d4 series 하고는 매칭하지 마세요 절대 missmatching 이다 그렇게 매칭하는 사람 자체가 음악을 모르는 거다.class하고 best matching 이다
Impressive but the average person can't afford these
Thank you, yes, they are like a high performance car, but last for decades
Talk,talk,talk,and then talk!!
SWEDISH CARLSSON!!!!!
There's nothing new about the d4 series just a substantial increase in price.
How do you know? Have you heard them or the previous models. What I can tell you is I heard the previous 800 series & very nice they are too.
Only over one hundred things are new. Did you actually watch the video to see all of the new things we talked about?
They are incredibly sharp and overpriced.
They sound great and their Signature series always commands a premium. Thanks for watching
No vegans are going to buy these 😮