My dad was a paranoid schizophrenic, I smoked weed for about six months then suffered and episode of derealization/depersonalization extreme anxiety , paranoia and was starting to have some crazy thoughts it lasted for about 3 months. Thankfully Ive completely recovered, never again will I do any drugs. That happened last year when I was 24 btw.
The Fall of Ko'vü what happened to me was this: Me and my friends were smoking weed, we decided to play baseball (hold the weed in and keep it in till the blunt is back to you) terrible idea for me. I was fine at first, 5 minutes later my heart was beating out of my chest and I was losing my mind. Id smoked before this too many times to count so I knew what weed paranoia was, this wasn’t it. I felt like I was having a heart attack legitimately. Woke up the next morning feeling groggy, nothing new. Then I had straight panic attacks for weeks, couldn’t sleep, waking up with cold sweats. I was afraid of literally everything. Suicidal. Shit was crazy, all because I smoked some bud. This shit lasted for about 2-3 months before I started to feel a little sane. But time truly does help, I hope it’s reassuring to you that it does go away eventually. You just have to let it run its course. Accept the anxiety, the over exaggerative emotions. Practice mindfulness meditation. And if this helps I’m 19 and a sophomore in college. Give it time and hang in there. Accept that you feel depersonalized and accept the derealization. It sucks but it’s the only way you. An get rid of it
Dude omg same fucking story here, I'm 19 and got it last year from shrooms and weed. I've never been the same. But I've recovered sometimes I feel the onslaught off a panic attack but I fight it
Yes.. my brother fell victim to this. He was a heavy drug user no family hx of schizophrenia. He used ketamine regularly ecstasy, peyote.. etc. He started hearing voices and they wouldnt go away. He ended up ending his own life.
The same thing is happening to my cousin. He hears voices. He denys help. He used to do ecstasy, shrooms, weed, and idk what else. He needs help but resources are limited. I just hope he doesn't hurt himself or his mom/brother. He graduated high school, was extremely smart. Started in college then its like he wasnt himself. The cousin i knew was gone and this person took over. And its like my cousin forgot everything too. He would ask us where we got certain things and is antisocial. Its so sad. I miss my cousin.
I had my first proper experience with weed when I was 17 but did it consistently from 18 to my current age of 20 , I found out that my uncle had schizophrenia and it absolutely scared me upon realising that I was at risk . I think people need a higher awareness when it comes to cannabis and the realistic dangers that it poses. I smoked heavily during college and my first year at university but I think it's best I stop soon before causing any serious , irreparable damage . Psychosis is real guys and I pray i never have an episode .
Please quit. Having ANY family history of schizophrenia raises your chances of having it 10x. About 1% of the population has schizophrenia, while if you have a family member who has it your chances go up to 10%. Recently my 25 yr old sister has started acting paranoid and delusional. Im quitting until a proper diagnosis is given. I’m hoping it is just bipolar or a psychosis episode and not a lifetime of schizophrenia. It would really suck because the 5 or 6 times i’ve done mushrooms were great experiences, but i’m not touching any drug in the meantime.
I think drugs can help make certain underlying health issues surface. I also firmly believe that the opposite is also possible, that by facing certain mental blocks and trauma you can actually heal certain psychological issues.
@Jambi Determined I'm in the 98th percentile in neuroticism and struggle with depression. I plan on taking mushrooms, after having read a ton on it. Any advice? Also, want to share your experience? The longer the better, if you don't mind
Check out trufflemagic, they have a good book on everything you need to know about mushrooms. It's best to not intake any caffeine the day you take them and also have a light diet so they get absorbed better. Mushrooms should be taken on a good day when you've managed to be happy and enjoy some things, like music or movies or just a walk in the park etc. Basically shrooms will reflect the feelings of your day in an amplified way, so if you had a good day, you'll have a great trip, don't rush it. It's best not to eat anything 6-8 hours before taking them, if you take fresh truffles it's better to make them into a tea cause you may get nauseous. I've taken 60g fresh 4 times, it's the dose that works for me. You should also grab something delicious cause you're gonna enjoy the shit out of whatever it is, for me it's fried chicken wings, usually an hour, hour and a half in I eat them and god it's amazing. After that though youi have to force yourself to stay calm, close your eyes and meditate. If you want a spiritual awakening, don't listen to music or do random shit, just close your eyes and focus on your breath, it's important that you do this at night when it's pitch black, you can even go under covers or get a blindfold. The trip itself, when you meditate, is like your whole body disappears and you become like just an energy or a thing that observes the universe without participating, it's hard to describe, but it feels amazing. And remember, magic mushrooms are considered to be even safer than weed, they are not toxic at all despite what some people say. The only reason you shouldn't do them more than once a week is cause you could lessen the effects of your trips.
I suspect bad trips can trigger it too, once had a bad trip on some strong lsd, I was feeling great all night, seing stuff in brighter colours, threes morphing into faces and stuff like that, what trigered it was that I had no one to talk\ socialize after a party so I went home and the bad trip started because I had no one to talk to, felt like my brain was fryng.
Same I was tripping riding bikes around with friend but when I got home I tried to got to sleep but when I was laying in my bed I started to hear my sisters telling me to wake up wake up and I thought I was like “stuck in a trip forever or in the matrix😂” then I was going around my house screaming can anyone hear me cause I thought I was in a dream and couldn’t wake up.
my dad had bipolar sadly took his life, I was smoking weed for years made me have very bad anxiety and physcedellics caused panic attacks i am sober now 6 months will never touch a drug again barely even drink alcohol its a depressant
My friend got me to smoke for the first time when I was 18 even though I was against weed. I went through a period of about a year where I was smoking a lot with this friend on and off. Sometimes it felt good, and put me in a nice chill mood that was enjoyable. But most of the time it made me feel anxious/paranoid, and made me question a lot about myself and the way I think in general. It made me very mentally cloudy, and I started losing my confidence and my ability to think clearly about things. My pride was slowly slipping, and I ended up going through a pretty bad mental breakdown. Not saying it was 100% from marijuana - I had some personal things that built up that had to do with it - but smoking definitely messed with my head and contributed to the terrible episode. I smoked recently for the first time in months with some friends (took a big dab), and I felt like I was losing my mind. I literally lost my ability to think. I would have like one sentence from a song or something random that would pop in my head and keep replaying. It eventually turned into just mumbles and then random noises that kept going in my head, and I remember thinking “holy shit I’m fucked up” and just riding it out knowing if I slept I’d feel better. Sure enough I fell asleep and was fine in the morning, but it still was a horrible, almost psychotic experience, even if only for 30 minutes. My point is, weed affects everyone differently. Sure, there’s the people that it helps with pain or even anxiety. I have a friend who has a very short temper but weed helps keep him mellow. However, I’m tired of everyone from our generation praising weed and acting like it’s “totally harmless”, as well as the countless comparisons to alcohol and how it can’t possibly be worse for you. All alcohol has ever done to me is make me more sociable, or at the worst act really dumb. No mental breakdowns, or episodes of psychosis. I’m gonna go out on a limb here - and it’s just my opinion - and say that weed is much worse for you than alcohol. Maybe not physically, but solely for the mental risks associated with its use. We live in an age where smoking is purely recreational and considered not a big deal at all. Not enough people talk about how detrimental it can be to your mental health. People really need to be more aware of the negatives & how bad it can fuck with your head. I wish I was.
nicksprofile oh man I have been in your shoes before. It sucks so much and it just makes you feel so low about yourself and so different because everyone seems to be so chill. I just avoid weed with high levels of thc because it's too much stress on my brain. Dabs are sooooo bad for people with mental health problems.
nicksprofile Alcohol can cause psychosis too: www.alcohol.org/comorbid/psychotic-disorder/ Both can cause psychosis but only alcohol can kill you and damages your liver. It also hurts the brain more than weed and it is sometimes related to violence. I think alcohol is worse than weed but it's ok too if you don't drink very often and too much. In my country(germany) you can get severe penalties for weed possesion, that's unfair if alcohol actually has advertising.
@@PsytranceLove // I agree with you. I personally can't smoke weed, but I've seen it help so many people. All countries need to legalize weed and let it be your choice. Alcohol causes so many deaths not to mention the family violence. I've never heard a cop being called out to s home because the spouse was being abusive while high on weed. Alcohol...all the time.
I dont want to get into details about my past(i used to smoke weed daily and had to basically fight with my own mind for a long period of time).I dont usually comment in videos but i wanted to share with you that EXCERCISE helps a lot.Dont search the solution in complicated philosophies,eating healthy and exercise can do miracles.
Antipsycotics causes more harm than good. I believe the aftermath of drug induced hallucinations can't be cured because of chemical changes to the brain from drugs.
I have been schizophrenic my whole life for as long as I can remember. In my past I’ve taken a few different psychedelics and when I’ve taken them it was always a peaceful time. It made my hushed and aggressive voices simmer to what I can explain to be like a soft breeze. The few I did hear that were talking about things relevant at the time now had faces. Never before had my mind made up the faces to whom I’ve heard my whole life. It was so bizarre yet so refreshing to able to feel see and know more about my inner self than I ever thought imaginable. On my fully sober days I still had hallucinations. Even before I did any kind of substance (drug or alcohol) Whether it be a spider crawling on the bathroom sink to the giant air balloons floating in the sky above the field outback. They were always questioned by me if they were real and I’d reassure myself and move on (after killing the imaginary spider) because you just never knew 🤷🏻♀️😂 But when I would trip these hallucinations all appeared, a lot of the ones that I had seen as a child were also there. After coming down from that first trip and seeing those hallucinations from my childhood leave with it was extremely weird and very satisfying to say the least. I had found a peace inside of me that let these irrational fears leave. I still have terrifying hallucinations and voices in my day to day life but I know they can’t do any physical harm. I’ve been sitting outside on my front porch and would see a hooded person standing in my weeds watching me, only to be reassured by my husband that no one was there. I’m not here to say that doing drugs will help you like it did me but it did open my mind up to help make me stronger and more sturdy when it comes to my mind. ✌🏼🌙🌻 I only smoke now and that’s my form of medicine. It helps quiet everything and I feel settled in my skin. I no longer feel like a stranger to myself. I don’t take pills for it because I’ve tried a handful and that was enough agony for me. It’s a fantastic form of treatment but it isn’t for me. Schizophrenia is weird. But I don’t mind it. I like to think that I’m able to see more of the world than most. 🤷🏻♀️
My schizophrenia is the opposite. Started with weed, then tried LSD once. After that, is when shit really started to go wrong. Can't use MDMA, or weed without possibly triggering an episode. My voices aren't terrifying, or euphoric... just insanely annoying. They never stop talking and I have to constantly sift through whats real and fake- they make me feel insane, dumb, like I'm a horrible person. Shadows, faces, paranoid thoughts, all types of things can happen. Most of the time I can tell whats fake, but its getting harder as the years go on. There are a few times where I've enjoyed their presence, and they've even been useful at times which is odd. But overall, its a nightmare.
wild one are there your own voice just talking and talking and sometimes never ending or is it like other people’s voices telling you mean things because when I try to go to sleep my mind just keep going and going like repeating words
I'm schizophrenic and I've lost my mind on hallucinogens. I've also found myself and many amazing realizations. I unlike what people think used to run to drugs and those experiences not from reality trying to escape something. I absolutely do not regret my drug experiences even though I am sober now because the time has just passed. That's it. I was not forced by family and friends or the cops or my body to stop drugs... well I stop doing stuff like Coke because I figured my heart has had enough... but it's not like I was about to die my next bump. Was me just balancing out pros and cons of drug experiences.
Absolutely, my friend went to the last Woodstock in NY and dropped a few hits of gel tabs and never came back. He now has Schizophrenia and talks to the voices and laughs at nothing all day. 😞
Similar story , my friend a year ago was introduced to drugs to him by his family member and now I hear stories about him sleeping in the streets , laughing randomly, talking to voices etc , scary and sad what drugs can do to a person
For some people, and we don't know why, marijuana causes severe and lasting anxiety and psychotic issues. People have to be very careful and start extremely low and pull the ripchord before it's too late
I saw this happen in my cousin. His aunt had a really bad case of schizophrenia and he started developing symptoms but he is clearly more frantic and scared while high.
I am going through the diagnoses of schizophrenia and I am clinically diagnosed with psychosis, weed always sets me off, the voices grow louder and it makes me really uncomfortable, but when I take psilocybin, I am so at peace, I hear the voices but they’re peaceful, they’re almost calm, ever since my first shroom trip I’ve been on a steady decline from psychosis
A little story about me. I was microdosing shrooms never done psychs before. Thought I was “tripping”. My buddy suggests we take acid which he’s done X amount of times. I owned a glock. I wasn’t aware of my mental “condition” Harm ocd. I had thoughts that I didnt take seriously were actually bad and not normal to my consciousness as of today. Took the tabs. 30 minutes go by and I thought I immediately killed my friends and heard cops yelling. All kinds of bad shit. I saw entities. I saw flashbacks which seemed like was the future of my life. How it ended. Where it went wrong. In our “reality” I was just on the couch hanging On for dear life. Panic attack you’d call it. I was paralyzed but in my mind everything I thought was happening was an illusion. Ego death. I resisted all the way until I was no longer able to resist. I’ve never heard voices until I started using psychs. Before the paralysis was let go of my body. A voice came across my brain and said “stop using drugs and worship me”. It was then I was put back into reality and felt like the whole experience was deja vu as if it really happened in another lifetime or something and I was sent here on earth to fix my mistakes from the previous life. That’s kinda what I got out the first epic trip. I didn’t learn my lesson cause 2 acid trips later things got worse and I wasn’t doing good In life so I understand the setting and time frame off my mentality. Last acid trip comedown became a mental breakdown of suicidal tendencies. Hearing voices telling me to kill myself stab whoever was in sight. Everything was harm. I never got diagnosed but feel as if I definitely was am prone to psychosis and I know I’m ocd. But harm ocd is a subtype I kinda diagnosed on my own from too much research. My dad deals with it and had a similar trip back in 1992 but didn’t lecture me on it until I experienced my own trips. It sucks but I’ve learned how to deal with it. Correlation with my religion and the psychedelic experiences is strange. The truth they call it. Feels like I’ve died before. Then sometimes feels like that trip showed me my death. A lot of delusions from time to time. I did continue to trip w shrooms. Never had the experience like acid but I do believe shrooms have positive effects for people with ocd. Anxiety. My friend was schizophrenic and still did shrooms. He’s not any worse. He’s doing good. It’s a mind game. I am nervous to trip it’s been a year but one of these days. I will only trip for a ritual purpose. To heal. Breakthrough the fear. Let everything go that you hold onto. Whether your ocd or not. Hear voices or not. The other side will call your name when your time comes. Mine as well get over the fear of dying if you’re gonna do psychs. SET AND SETTING AND CORRECT INFORMATION BEFORE HAND. ACKNOWLEDGING ANY UNDERLYING ISSUES BEFORE TRIPPING AND LET GO.
My college roommate freshman year took acid for the first time and had a psychotic break, possibly Schizophrenia (his family never told me what the doctors said so I don't really know). I'm still a fan of psycadellics, but be safe people.
Quick Answer: YES. I knew a person who was fine until an accidental ingestion/OD on LSD. Punch Bowl spiked at a party. Next morning had had seizure followed by psychosis and was NEVER the same. Drugs aren't for everyone, and there are many that have had major negative outcomes in their lives without even knowing they were drug or alcohol induced. TRY to stay clean and get high on life itself. You only get one and it goes by much faster as you get older.
same thing happened to my brother but with that k2 stuff. The causes of psychosis are not fully understood. It is likely that psychosis is caused by a combination of hereditary and other factors. Psychosis may be associated with a chemical imbalance in the brain. Stress and certain drugs (for example, marijuana, speed or LSD) can trigger the first episode of psychosis.
Well seeing how the ld50 of pure lsd-25 is insanely high it is unlikely he overdosed on lsd-25 but rather a 25i-nbome or other similar phenethylamine psychedelic fyi
I was born in 1983 Smoke pot from the time I was 15 up until about 28 And only quit due to the fact that I had a job and I could not do it anymore...Had a mother that was diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic...All my years I did have a few occasions where I smoke too much and I felt paranoid but Never did I ever have any psychosis or anything like that and I was a heavy smoker for a long time....So either I am extremely lucky Are I don’t no
The is mental illness in my family, but in the 60's my aunt took about 100 doses of LSD over a ten year or so period of time, she developed horrible schizophrenia. Shes been living in a board and care for over 30 years. Now nearly blind, lost all her teth, thanks to Schizo meds. I also lost my wife to this disease(No drugs) Inherited and horrible childhood trauma.
. Most people don’t develop schizophrenia until they are 25. So when you do weed and acid when you are 15 it brings it out way sooner. That’s why you shouldn’t trip to your are 25. We all remember what it was like to be a teenager and how crazy your brain feels. throwing acid into the mix is a recipe for disaster. So many kids between the ages of 14-17 are doing acid and shrooms WAY more then anyone should be and doing way to much. Of course that is not good for you
from the age of 16 i was a heavy weed user, dabbled in MDMA and LSD at least 5 times. when my grandmother died in 2020, 6 months later i had my first psychosis episode. i quit weed and quit it all. but didnt follow through with treatment for psychosis because i felt healthy again. fast forward april 2021 i had another episode of psychosis, i lost friends who didnt understand or want to support me. and the pain of that as well as falling on my ass again made me take my mental health seriously. i havent had another episode of psychosis since then. im 3 yrs now doing well. but i now have a life long illness of schizoaffective disorder (bipolar and schizophrenia). im actually doing the best i have in years for that im grateful. point is we need more education and research into this.
My aunt, the only one in my family with any mental illness has what we believe to be drug induced schizophrenia she also got it off bad acid and probably some really good shrooms
Very sweeping generalization. You cannot make the assumption that just because something happens in one instance, that it will happen in all instances. that is extremely poor science and logic. Correlation does NOT equal causation
Smoke a Sack weed isn’t a drug😂 joe Rogan would dismiss that bullshit in a second. Of course it’s a drug, and it can fuck up your brain if you are prone to schizophrenia, just like psychedelics. And the majority of psychedelics we use are completely natural like psylocibin mushrooms. Just because these substances can trigger a psychotic break in certain individuals, doesn’t mean we should make them illegal. It actually supports the argument of making them legal as a means of having some regulations. Also, if this knowledge is spread and widely known, there is far less of a chance of psychotic breakdowns. Once we have an extremely reliable mental evaluation system in place and clinics people could go to for a guided spiritual journey! These drugs are no joke, they are also profoundly intriguing and can be useful for society!
It's wrong to assume that only people at risk who have it in their family bloodline can get it. I know that's not what he is saying but it sounds like it to much. Every single human can get schizofrenia if you push hard enough, some can just endure more because they dont have problems with their root system so the say. For those who dont know, schizofrenia is not a multiple personality disorder as still allot of people think. Its diagnosed by having multiple psychoses and the effects that remains because of that. Actualy every psychosis is created by a form of selfconflict and a feeling of unsafety created internaly or externaly, councious or subconcious. Its because a part of the root believes that makes you feel save with internal and external reality are supressed or fragmented. These root believes are the foundation of your personality which at that breakdown point will be seen as a danger. It means a psychosis is a switch in your rootsystem that lets it turn yourself against you basicly. To give an example : These root believes can be switched (for example) when a person pretends to be dangerous to others just to feel more safe and confident, but then starts believing its own lies and committing to it just to not be exposed for what is behind it. Now when you commit hard enough the conflict starts to get worse. The majority of the personalty starts to clash with the lie of being dangerous, because this now is the new root believe that makes you feel save altho its based on a lie. This also can happen the other way around when you don't feel save with yourself anymore because your root believe changed to being weak because of a traumatic experience while your coming from a strong personality. It means all the believes stacked upon your root believe don't connect anymore and fall like a card house. There are more ways of course to get to the point where the safety root belief switches. It can happen because of trauma , because of being motivated by an unsafe feeling and trying to fix it in a destructive way like the examples above, or by taking to much drugs, basicly to a point you don't recognize or can distinguish reality from the drugged reality, this last scenario however in most cases creates a defragmented personality only unless a bad trip attacks the root believe. I personally believe however that every human being could get to this point very quickly when they are exposed to certain trauma's and using the wrong drugs despite the fact its in your bloodline or not. The solutions to fix it afterwards however can be really difficult as you would either have to build upon a root belief which contains a lie in comparison to the rest of the fallen personalty or remove the lie and learn to trust again on the initial root belief which is most of the time easier said then done. Then there is a third option which is most of the time the fastest path to recovery. Integrate the lie in a constructive way and make the lie a truth. For example : if the lie was being dangerous, get dangerous first but on a controlled and friendly way. For example become an expert in a fighting sport. Or if the lie is that your to weak you can use the same strategy but with the goal to exposé the lie. There are way more things that could help you in recovering on the way but those are the root problems that need to be solved. Additional things that can help you on the way are any form of muscle release, meditation, mindfulness, walking, talking to a psychologist if they are competent enough.(sadly allot are not) There of course is way more to it, but this are fundamentally the most important causes and things to consider.
i feel like this is me, contradiction as a factor in my brain, i always had an intrest in philosopy, im still in highschool lmao i dont wanna lose that intrest i think it be something i could get into. My words dont match up and im still beliveing alternate things while making myself thinks the lies are the truth. You see with philosophy, i think everything is connected, which is true, thats obvious, every philosopy knows that. BUT every one of them connects all the dots are real, connecting family and their work, or their life and their studies, instead of me doing that, id adapt these theories, these "true meanings" , and i applied to my life, i convinced myself that i see the opening no one sees, im alone but also with someone, im with family but im also with friends, im in the dark but i see light and at the same time im thinking about the dark and the light, i think both are connected to a specturm of a rainbow, with colors. i would think im very profound, and use weed and shrooms to see more insight, i believe inflicting self conflict on the brain internal or external, is what cause a pre-existing pyschoisis, whic then using drugs makes that pre-existing pyschosis a reality. the only way i can redeem myself is doing the opposite. ask your whats the oppisote of a philosopher, and that being a lawyer. One that enforces laws and ground rules and takes it seriously . im pulling this card on myself, or wahtever i wanna call it. telling myself im not agasint myslef but im beliving all this bullcrap, im not a damn scientist, no offense to myself but im doing so well in school, in what world would i be so profound that i be some fucking new god. i need to cut this shit. It's actually hurting me pretty badly, and i feel like inflicitng this self-conflict would make me wanna stray away from drugs. i need to be on a lane before i can choke on drugs. maybe become the SCIENTIST or become the PHILOSOPHER and thennnn if i wanna smoke weed and eat shrooms then it will be ok. because my mental state wont be so open that i fucking induce myself with a self pyschois that i think the word is ending and that i existed before time. If ANYTHING my sanity is being defined by a rollercoster, and my deal is just shut the fuck up and do my life already and go to damn college and be somebody.
My ex husband has an Uncle who is Schizophrenic. We were together for 8 years. I talked to my Husband about how at risk he is. He gave up everything except weed. The last year and a half my Husband changed. He was saying "I don't want to go and I don't want you to go." He suddemly wanted to isolate. He had major opportunities and suddenly didn't want them. I no longer felt safe around him. I miss the man I had for most of the time terribly. He refuses to get help. I lost to mental illness. Maybe it would have happened anyway but there were times he was off of everything..even he knew his mind was better during those times. It makes me sad..but it also makes me angry.
When the left side of your brain starts talking to the right side and your heart is watching while the substance ingested is trying to convince you its an alien from the pleiades star system
Yeah since i smoke a lot ive started havin some issues with sleeping and some images in my head wich were cool when i was high but now not so much i just reduced my dosage
I’ve a friend who went weird after taking acid and he was diagnosed schizophrenic 2 years later at 24year old and he’s been in and out of mental institution’s ever since yet me and loads more of my mates regularly used acid and mushrooms and are all perfectly fine.
I had a really bad trip from simply smoking an upper, combined with lack of sleep. I used to have constant traffic in my head, I went through a very similar experience this man did and once it was over, there was no more noise in my head, and I had a deep appreciation for the day simply being sunny. Still clear to this day.
i am 16, schizophrenia runs deep in my family. i am certain i am slowly building to being diagnosed with it. i heavily abused mdma, acid, marajuarna, speed etc.... i think im loosing myself and now researching about what my future might look like.
You shouldt be doing any of that at 16 regardless of your family history. If you keep doing what your doing you are gonna 100% have it. Shouldn’t even touch that stuff till your 25 at the least
The story that comes to mind for me is brian wilson, lead composer of the beach boys, who after taking lsd began hearing threatening voices in his head for the rest of his life, and he still hears them today
I've had issues with depersonalization since my pre teens, and had my only acid trip last summer. To say it was a nightmare is a fucking understatement
I think there are definitely people who have a neurological predisposition, where if they did not take any psychedelics then they would never have became schizophrenic. In addition to that, I think the same goes for marijuana. I have seen very psychologically healthy people become pot heads and their mental health deteriorated quite dramatically. But then again, I have many friends who smoke regularly who are as healthy as can be. It seems like it really depends on the person. A good solution would be to develop some type of test involving the brain that can pinpoint people who have a predisposition to schizophrenia so that they can avoid hallucinogens altogether, allowing those that are low risk to enjoy the benefits without feeling like they rolled the dice.
People sometimes say ..oh he or she would have developed schizophrenia anyway even if they didn't smoke weed.We don't know that to be true ..a person could have been totally fine had they not smoked it in the first place.
There is a difference between schizophrenia and drug induced psychosis (the latter one is temporary). Still, it's very possible for drugs to be the cause (or one of the causes) of schizophrenia.
Definitely schizophrenia runs in my family my sister is a full blown schizo i was never able to handle weed all my life I always the paranoid highly anxious felt like i was psychoitic one now I know why I’m genetically predisposed to getting a paranoid reaction to weed and drugs
10% don’t have a diagnosis of schizophrenia-it’s around 1%. But schizophrenia is on a spectrum, so it’s possible that 10% have some form higher than baseline (e.g., high schizotypy, schizotypal personality disorder, schizoid personality disorder)
why? i quit all drugs like marijuana and i never did pills when i was 20 to 30. i had motrin and thats it. in the marines and i even got a couple personal awards and i still ended up broken 14 years until i was diagnosed and forced to retire. i still made it to rank milestones.
One second Joe is telling everyone to eat mushrooms, then he's saying you can become a spaz if you do... I was about to try shrooms soon but after seeing this I think I'll just have to stick to alcohol 😑
It's funny because so many people claim weed is so harmless but I took a moderate dose of it once and felt like my life was a movie that I was watching from my brain, I felt separated from my own body (depersonalization/derealization) for like a week or two afterwards. Meanwhile when I've gotten super drunk, the worst that happened was I had a hangover the next day and then after that I was completely fine lol. So many people underestimate certain drugs it seems.
My Mother was never in my life so I knew nothing about her. A long time ago I tried LSD, smoked weed and tried ecstasy once. Well after I came down i didn't feel the same. I was thrown into the world of psychiatric wards, crisis units, group therapy, one on one talk therapy, therapy groups for trauma victims and years of both DBT and finding out which psychiatric medications. Later in life I found out my Mother has schizophrenia, mania, ptsd, bpd, eating disorder, anxiety and everything under the sun. Yes the hallucinogens brought my psychosis out and it hasn't been easy. Recently Ive been told I have PTSD. Schizoaffective disorder depressive type, generalized anxiety, post traumatic stress disorder, insomnia. It sucks so don't do drugs man. They're not worth it.
why waste time on szhiophrenia meds, these are just voices focus on your work ignore voices, fight illusions with rationality. The deep state created this mental illness drama to prevent people from knowing the secrets of this world.
I started smoking 3 years ago,everything was going ok but then in 2016 something happend,I completely changed as a person,I started questioning everything on my mind,I wouldn’t trust food or drinks,if someone held my cup I had to get other one
well antipsychotics are retarded i suggest you dont go to a doc, but search up natural ways to combat this, maybe a lot of niacin and vitamin c or something
IDK but I have schizoaffective disorder and I've experimented with shrooms and to this day I've never had a bad trip microdosing helps me feel happy and uplifted during the day and the larger doses are just straight-up fun... I wish there was more research on the effects of psilocybin on schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder because personally I have felt very positive results from psilocybin
@@Lvl1farmer I eat 2 g once a month and when I take micro doses it's usually 100 to 300 mg and I mix it with reishi mushroom lion's mane mushroom and cordyceps for a nootropic affect. And yes I do take days off you can't do psilocybin everyday because you build tolerance very quickly so you need at least 48 hours in between every time you eat it
Newsflash! Books can cause schizophrenia. I once spent a very long time analyzing a novel. At some point I realized that I have begun analyzing reality in the same way, and I felt cut of from the world and people, like I was living in a world of my own (analyzing the motivation of everyone around me etc.), which is fearful if taken to an extreme. But I was smart enough to realize that it was just my analytic mind being to reactive, and that reality is not something that can be captured in words. So I gave my mind less stimuli for a few days, and I was back to normal. We humans organize the world in syntactical hierarchies, and there really is no single kind of reality. Since our understanding of reality is syntactical (consisting of words or representation) it means we can organize the sensory input we get in any type of arbitrary hierarchy. The hierarcy is our programming or filter, it is how we interprent sensory input - whats called the lifeworld in phenomelogical philosophy. The lifeworld is the syntactical structure in our mind which decides what seems meaningful to us. So for a schizophrenic, who have gone outside the ordinary lifeworld, anything might seem meaningful. So one got to realize that the more wacky experiences psychedelics gives, is not something that the human language is capable of organizing in any rational way.
Sebastian I use to smoke all day everyday, but didn't like how It got in the way of other things. Now I buy an 8th n smoke over 7-10 days, mark it In my calendar and don't smoke again for 3 weeks. It's only hard for the first 3 days. If weed has any type of grip on you that u can't control...you're weak.
I agree with both, alcohol is a drug as well, just a now legal one. Drugs definitely leave our fragile souls vulnerable and open to manipulation. Only the most aware people will be able to ward those demons out naturally. The ones that don’t, end up on the news after having shot or brutally murdered someone. There are those who just lay dormant waiting for the next victim. It’s a crazy world
After watching your videos about DMT Joe, my son (17 yrs old) smoked a whole vape pen full of DMT which he ordered online. He is currently diagnosed with Drug Induced Psychosis. Thank you for glamorizing this drug that stole my sons mind
Desiree, we're still in the dark ages when it comes to understanding the mind and psychosis. But something like this may help your son. www.ashwoodrecovery.com/blog/drug-induced-psychosis-can-recover/ In general, we are ignorant, including psychiatrists. Nevertheless, there are insightful and caring professionals. I hope that your son recovers, or lives to learn well despite the damage. The brain is plastic, and he is young. There is hope.
I have bipolar and ive only done shrooms 3 times and had one bad trip which was my last. Would it be bad if i tried to do something stronger? The only reason i had that bad trip was because i had recently went through a break up so my mind state was fucked. I feel it just depends on your mindstate going into it.
Nope not a good idea especially if you are going through something. I have a brother who abused drugs as a way to deal with his problem. didn't work out so well for him he has mental problems now.
Would not suggest at all. Give it a year or so and see where you are in life. You want to be absolutely at your best if you want to take something stronger. Spirituality and emotionally.
Can someone over 50 develop sudden onset schizoaffective disorder or schizophrenia during forced meth detox (30 yr abuse history) or can use after 30 day of abstinence cause sudden onset? Or, could it appear like the above but be meth-induced psychosis alone triggered by the detox for some reason?
Hey man and everyone in response to this video who experiances problems from using psychoactive drugs etc, while cannabis being a semi-psychoactive drug. I can totally relate to what ur all are saying but the problem here in my opinion is that we (the individual) are not the problem but the surrounding, our lack of understanding of the psyche, the consciusness and whats actually going on. We live in a universe bigger than anyones understanding where we trust doctors, authority and what not without even blinking and where they have pages upon pages poiting out madness in alternate consciusness wich i would call schizophrenia. It's all these new levels of counsciousness that terrifies us, the fear of going mad, wich is notso strange since we have no idea how to deal with this other realm that this alternate states of consciousness work within. Everyone is wired differently and respond differently on stimuli, where some one could have an episode of psychosis tendensies and some one feeling schizophrenic while the next experiance deep motion of anxiety and im not surprised. Are you all really surprised? It's like we are not made for this world we made for ourselfs and would we really want to meet someone who was? If we take a good look around us and even tho we might have misery just outside our doorstep it's still not really that far off and it effects us none the less and maybe even more since we can not take part in chaos but mere stand aside from it and complain wich are not a very constructive way of living. The Cannabis experiance: Started smoking in my mid teens and never really had any bad experiance from it more than lighting up after drinking alot of alcohol wich u all know is know no-go. It was not untill i was in my late teens i had my first really bad experiance wich i can relate to in alot i've read from the comments on here. Mainly for me and the biggest issue was my heart racing and beating abnormaly hard and rapid (wich in relation to what i felt to what it actually was were pure imagination) and snowballing out of control mainly because of my thinking patterns surrounding what was happening. And since i was quite young i could not rationalize what was happening wich made my state even worse. Every second of every minute was dedicated to that one string of thoughts, something is wrong. Am i going insane, am i going to die? I managed to find my way home and eventually fall asleep. Next episode was shortly after and almost the same at wich point i stopped since i did not even have to inhale to get into the state of madness. I would get placebo and higher than i've ever been bofor just from the smell (wich i much later would realize is not even possible so it would have had to do with how i was thinking and that i actively had to control my thoughts) . I had to distance myself. I could not even bare to smell it and it put me back into that state. The Psychadelia experiance: (mostly tryptamines) Had my first trip on shrooms, psilocybe cubensis when i was in my late teens wich was a positive experiance. And it would be a while since i were to try it the next time wich would be around 26 wich in this case would be LSD wich in itself was an interessting experiance but not all good. I went through stages from good to bad to good etc. But what i learned that halped me not to spiral into madness was mindfullness wich i will get to a bit later. And i must say that i've done a few sessions of LSD, DMT since then but mostly Psilocybe semilanceata wich has been both bad and good experiances. Some really emotional, somce straight out scary and horrofying whom of wich most likely would have put me in a madhouse if not for the mindfullness wich i will come to here in a moment. The central stimulant experiance: Mostly Amphetamines, MDMA and veriety of them two such as Xtc. In this devision is mostly where i felt the most horror, since episodes could last days into weeks and months. Do my friends hate me or do i just need to sleep? Thats a phrase wich some might relate to and the beautiful thing here is that u will be sober from any substance and still feel this disconnection from reality with delusions as well as psychosomatic auditory hallucinations from pre dating bad trips and what not. The tap in the kitchen will drip and and the sound of the drip u will hear voices speaking to u. Walking down the street of ur town u will se everyone turning their head talking about you and mostly saying these nasty stuff about u. Episodes where u question everything u do to a things as simple as buttering ur bread to how u stand in the shower. Voices and eyes everywhere. Again i tackle it all with mindfullness So now to my point. And even tho this is my strong belief i don't recommend trying this since it takes a certein mental capability wich i must admit i probably did not have to begin with so im lucky i came out on top here instead of ending up on the psych ward or even worse, hurting myself or some one else. I just want you to get the picture and the hypothesis here Mindfullness: In my early to mid 20s i was thinking about smoking cannabis again since i really missed the positive benifits from it but as i explained it here a bit back i could not even stand the smell, it would get me right back on that bad rollercoaster so what do i do? Well fuck it, i was at that point where i would have learned from personal experiances and reading that what ever this is and what ever is happening to me it's just in my head. It's not real! With that in mind i toaked up... Bad decision i began to feel as it came straight back, paranoid and scared i started to walk around the appartment thoughts racing around my head, wierd shit going on when i walked into the kitchen to have a drink and then to the hallway to get my jacket and to put on my shoes wich put me into this totally different pattern of thinking. The process of getting that glass and filling it with water and going for my jacket and shoes had totally changed my brain waves so to say, away from what ever had govern me moments befor and from that day i was on to something and i was determined that i was not going to quit smoking i was just getting back to it. And from there i kept on breaking it down trying to understand my reactions to it and why it happened. You could call it some sort of therapy, like cbt, mindfullness or what not. And after 2 years i was fully cured. If thats what u wanna call it. The problems where gone, from sitting watching my friend or friends hitting that bong over and over again thinking.. How do they do it? How come i get totally fucked up by just zipping one hit from a spliff while they can go to town on that thing to me being able to smoke a joint with half a gram of the strongest all by myself with no unpleasant feeling what so ever And jumping to psychadelia, same methods helped me eliminate most of the horrors that would catapult me into an all bad trip to an actual meaningfull use of the substance. Ofc psychadelia is a category for it self. A trip is ment to be both bad and good. It are to be respected as a journey covering the dual aspects of everything. And moving over to central stimulants. Well staying up for days to a week will effect u, sleep deprivation is the closest a sane mind will close in on madness and paranoia, especially under the influence of a drug but where i prior to befor got psychotic, paranoia and unable to even form a sentence i find with the help of mindfullness a beautifull secondary consciousness where wether im high on something or not can see everything with a new set of eyes and appreciate that awkward state im finding myself in I will wrap this up by going back to where i begun. What if psychology would learn from shamanism, something that dates back thousands of years where some one would guide you through the bad experiances u encounter throughout ur life and im not only talking about under the influance of drugs, but under daily basis. A totally sober person can have psychotic episodes inflicted by traumas or something that have happened to them, in wich case we as a society today get in contact with a doctor that practice modern medicine woul administrate some pill or injection or what not that alternate the chemical balance in out body wich in the longer term will make this person mad while the practice of the shaman is spiritual and guiding, not blaming and positive that everything happens for a reason and that we must find the link to spirit if we went and lost it whilst again in modern medecine we are labled as malfunctioning and that something is seriously wrong with us. That will only feed our fear wich in turn we will be lost. But acknowledge this awkward but beautiful state you find urself in with a new set of eyes and explore it Thank you
i guess theres the chance it is coincidental but my mom was normal and started using meth and started changing over a few years and eventually was diagnosed with full this disease full blown. no one else in the family has it. she was fine before meth. most cases of this disease take effect by people's 20s. My mom was fine until her mid 30s after doing meth for a few years. this isnt psilocybin of course but some drugs in general
I was a heavy pot smoker for a couple of months and started to have psychotic outbreaks little by little. Then, I did cocaine for 1 month and I became schizophrenic. Drugs can ruin your life if you are genetically prone to suffer from schizophrenia. (Excuse me if my English isnt good enough, I am not a native speaker but you certainly know what I meant)
ChairBox to be perfectly clear, I only get the paranoid schizo experiences from marijuana on the rarest occasion. The point is: that it fucking happens.
The problem is that many people have genes associated with psychotic disorders (more than 1%, much more) however most don’t ever manifest in a condition. My concern is that cannabis and other substances (especially stimulants) increase the number of people with psychotic disorders by acting as a stimulus of sorts for the expression of a gene/s. There isn’t a full understanding of all the genetic component to truly know whether or not drugs can be the cause of chronic psychosis in certain individuals which would have otherwise been unaffected. Family history of psychosis or lack thereof is probably not enough to really predict heather drugs may ‘induce’ or catalyze chronic psychotic disorders
I used to do drugs when I was a teen and then I did acid once and I felt fine after but a little time after that I did develope schizophrenia and idk if it was my age or the acid. I did have a episode of paranoia when I was younger so I think it was my old age but all my friends did say I changed after taking the lsd. I dont really know if it was the acid or not
They talk about psychedelics but Everybody I’ve ever known with schizophrenia ,bipolar ,anxiety issues ,even some of the people with depression, They all have one thing in common, they smoked weed.
im diagnosed with a variety of things but i was diagnosed before i started smoking weed :p maybe consider that the development of mental illness has a lot of causes, and people often “self medicate” with weed to assist or escape from them. not saying smoking weed is the best treatment, just that its often used as a form of treatment”” :pppp
wow imagine that, it's almost like people who cannot cope with life turn to drugs for relief. nah that couldn't possibly be it, it has to be that people can't cope with life BECAUSE they've used drugs... right?
Did psyshs my entire teenage years im now 18 and had my first shroom induced psychosis it is the scariest thing I’ve ever done and put my family through ever
When I smoke weed which is everyday since I was 8/9 years old I spend a lot of time in my head talking to myself I can see this being completely true. I wonder if I should get a sleep study on my brain while I sleep I don't sleep well and it takes about four hours of sleep for me to feel energized
I think that the early trauma plays a bigger part than the weed in terms of your cousin, but maybe see if there are others in your family with schizophrenia first
@@388sbc5 Hello friend, great question! It's really bizarre. That's the best way I can describe it, it's a very bizarre disorder. It's almost ike living in 2 different realities. It's hard to tell what's real and what's not. If you're interested, I have all kinds of videos about it on my channel. It's really all about finding the right treatment plan and sticking to it. Schizophrenia doesn't have to be the end of the world. With the right help this can be managed quite well. I advise staying in therapy as long as possible. When I was being diagnosed one of the doctors who evaluated me put me on some medicine and told me anytime you are on a psychiatric medication you should also be in therapy. And I agree with that 100% because with schizophrenia you need more than just medication. You can't rely soley on medication alone. The people who do aren't getting the results they want. Please let me know if you have any other questions about it or if I can explain anything better.
Lsd is most definitely caused worst cases of schizophrenia, have a mate who has family who has schizophrenia like his brother, when we take acid with him his personality goes wild haha
Nope. It can happen with no history of mental illness or known family - shot happens and it’s very hard to conclude if it’s the drug, or that strain of the drug, or if a stomach was empty, or if there was fatigue involved, etc.
I think my great grandmother had schizophrenia or bipolar. Not sure.. but I smoked and did drugs. I don't want that happening to me. I have had hallucinations before. Not many tho
I've accepted the fact that the delusion of myself and everyone else being satan, is purely the making of my own mind and my psychosis, after all my meds go straight to my head and the paranoia goes away. But I still question it from time to time. Can we the human race, my self included, be the fallen angel?... it could explain why we're capable of so many evil acts.
17 actually. For me it then was amazing. But not like sth i would do for a party or with many people or strangers. It kind of was a confrontation with myself + mz fantasy running wild. I could imagine beaaaautiful landscapes in my inner eye. Like i did not reallynsee them😁 i just kind of drew very detailes picturesl with my imagination. That was awesome :) but actually i do not experience it like that anymore. So i do not use it anymore
Cannabis is not a bad thing may even help some people but it’s not for everyone and can cause major mental issues for some especially high doses but these issues happen because it hasn’t been legalised so it’s not being regulated
lol i feel exactly the same...ive also done dxm, but in a rather small dose...it was fine and even great at points but it also had some very scary parts too, just like the weed thing...i dunno :/
If you had a "trip" on weed it's laced no question I've smoked some of the finest strand's for years no hallucinations or trips just many many hours of laughing and the genocide of thousand's of little Debbie cakes lol
no it doesnt have to be laced. i smoked the exact same weed as all of my friends but i had a completly different reaction to it. thats what this whole video is about...for some people certain drugs work and for others certain drugs do not work. brains are different man...and i allways had a very strong and different reaction to weed than the people around me.
Feel like you shouldn’t stay away, it’s like we disregard why we don’t understand, More so you should work with people who are willing to understand this more. For instance study how it affects, the different environments and moods? Maybe even the time of year could make a difference but hiding away from it saying you should never touch it is half the problem (I’m on about schizophrenic and other mental illnesses)
If you have experienced friends and yourself becoming schizophrenic and bipolar because of psychadelics then you wouldn't have said those words. It ruins many lives and I say that from experience
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My dad was a paranoid schizophrenic, I smoked weed for about six months then suffered and episode of derealization/depersonalization extreme anxiety , paranoia and was starting to have some crazy thoughts it lasted for about 3 months. Thankfully Ive completely recovered, never again will I do any drugs. That happened last year when I was 24 btw.
you good? I went through the same thing a couple months back. it eventually does go away.
The Fall of Ko'vü what happened to me was this:
Me and my friends were smoking weed, we decided to play baseball (hold the weed in and keep it in till the blunt is back to you) terrible idea for me. I was fine at first, 5 minutes later my heart was beating out of my chest and I was losing my mind. Id smoked before this too many times to count so I knew what weed paranoia was, this wasn’t it. I felt like I was having a heart attack legitimately. Woke up the next morning feeling groggy, nothing new. Then I had straight panic attacks for weeks, couldn’t sleep, waking up with cold sweats. I was afraid of literally everything. Suicidal. Shit was crazy, all because I smoked some bud. This shit lasted for about 2-3 months before I started to feel a little sane. But time truly does help, I hope it’s reassuring to you that it does go away eventually. You just have to let it run its course. Accept the anxiety, the over exaggerative emotions. Practice mindfulness meditation. And if this helps I’m 19 and a sophomore in college. Give it time and hang in there. Accept that you feel depersonalized and accept the derealization. It sucks but it’s the only way you. An get rid of it
Dude omg same fucking story here, I'm 19 and got it last year from shrooms and weed. I've never been the same. But I've recovered sometimes I feel the onslaught off a panic attack but I fight it
This has happened to my son. What did you do to recover. Did they put you on anti-psychotics as well like they have done to my son? Thanks!
B Charron it’s kinda just a “you grow out of it” type thing. Make sure to exercise and drink lots of water. Good thoughts, it doesn’t last forever
Yes.. my brother fell victim to this. He was a heavy drug user no family hx of schizophrenia. He used ketamine regularly ecstasy, peyote.. etc. He started hearing voices and they wouldnt go away. He ended up ending his own life.
Sorry for ur loss man this was real sad to read being a ex drug abuser myself and having a brother 😔
I'm sorry that had to happen bro.
damn thats tuff chief
The same thing is happening to my cousin. He hears voices. He denys help. He used to do ecstasy, shrooms, weed, and idk what else. He needs help but resources are limited. I just hope he doesn't hurt himself or his mom/brother. He graduated high school, was extremely smart. Started in college then its like he wasnt himself. The cousin i knew was gone and this person took over. And its like my cousin forgot everything too. He would ask us where we got certain things and is antisocial. Its so sad. I miss my cousin.
crazy i have a relative same story hows ur cousin doing
Marijuana ruined my life and yet here I am reading TH-cam comments trying to rationalize-away my schizophrenia diagnosis.
same haha
Damn :(
Burnt Toast whats your schizophrenia like? I got tinnitus two years ago and sometimes after I smoke I get louder tinnitus a bit is this schizophrenia?
Rip_Fallout dude same that’s another reason I’m here
Bryan Ramos you get tinnitus as well
I had my first proper experience with weed when I was 17 but did it consistently from 18 to my current age of 20 , I found out that my uncle had schizophrenia and it absolutely scared me upon realising that I was at risk . I think people need a higher awareness when it comes to cannabis and the realistic dangers that it poses. I smoked heavily during college and my first year at university but I think it's best I stop soon before causing any serious , irreparable damage . Psychosis is real guys and I pray i never have an episode .
If your really worried use cbd oil it resets the brain were schizophrenia is developed
@@freewind4093 really. What part of the brain
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cbd oil truly does act as a “reset” for my mind body and nervous system
Please quit. Having ANY family history of schizophrenia raises your chances of having it 10x. About 1% of the population has schizophrenia, while if you have a family member who has it your chances go up to 10%. Recently my 25 yr old sister has started acting paranoid and delusional. Im quitting until a proper diagnosis is given. I’m hoping it is just bipolar or a psychosis episode and not a lifetime of schizophrenia. It would really suck because the 5 or 6 times i’ve done mushrooms were great experiences, but i’m not touching any drug in the meantime.
Wish someone told me this 10 years ago LMAO
MDCCLXXVI i feel you bro :/
Fr feel you too :(
Why?
Same.
Feel ya buddy
I think drugs can help make certain underlying health issues surface.
I also firmly believe that the opposite is also possible, that by facing certain mental blocks and trauma you can actually heal certain psychological issues.
Alexander Aramaki 👍
definitely. people use drugs to either mask their problems or treat them
I actually cured my depression and anxiety with mushrooms and ayahuasca. I can't be thankful enough for these substances and what they've done for me.
@Jambi Determined
I'm in the 98th percentile in neuroticism and struggle with depression. I plan on taking mushrooms, after having read a ton on it. Any advice? Also, want to share your experience? The longer the better, if you don't mind
Check out trufflemagic, they have a good book on everything you need to know about mushrooms. It's best to not intake any caffeine the day you take them and also have a light diet so they get absorbed better. Mushrooms should be taken on a good day when you've managed to be happy and enjoy some things, like music or movies or just a walk in the park etc. Basically shrooms will reflect the feelings of your day in an amplified way, so if you had a good day, you'll have a great trip, don't rush it. It's best not to eat anything 6-8 hours before taking them, if you take fresh truffles it's better to make them into a tea cause you may get nauseous. I've taken 60g fresh 4 times, it's the dose that works for me. You should also grab something delicious cause you're gonna enjoy the shit out of whatever it is, for me it's fried chicken wings, usually an hour, hour and a half in I eat them and god it's amazing. After that though youi have to force yourself to stay calm, close your eyes and meditate. If you want a spiritual awakening, don't listen to music or do random shit, just close your eyes and focus on your breath, it's important that you do this at night when it's pitch black, you can even go under covers or get a blindfold. The trip itself, when you meditate, is like your whole body disappears and you become like just an energy or a thing that observes the universe without participating, it's hard to describe, but it feels amazing. And remember, magic mushrooms are considered to be even safer than weed, they are not toxic at all despite what some people say. The only reason you shouldn't do them more than once a week is cause you could lessen the effects of your trips.
I suspect bad trips can trigger it too, once had a bad trip on some strong lsd, I was feeling great all night, seing stuff in brighter colours, threes morphing into faces and stuff like that, what trigered it was that I had no one to talk\ socialize after a party so I went home and the bad trip started because I had no one to talk to, felt like my brain was fryng.
Jesus
Same I was tripping riding bikes around with friend but when I got home I tried to got to sleep but when I was laying in my bed I started to hear my sisters telling me to wake up wake up and I thought I was like “stuck in a trip forever or in the matrix😂” then I was going around my house screaming can anyone hear me cause I thought I was in a dream and couldn’t wake up.
have u done drugs ever since?
Bad trips are terrifying, man
Dude same thing happened to me how do you feel now and do you think it’s a good idea to do it again
my dad had bipolar sadly took his life, I was smoking weed for years made me have very bad anxiety and physcedellics caused panic attacks i am sober now 6 months will never touch a drug again barely even drink alcohol its a depressant
My friend got me to smoke for the first time when I was 18 even though I was against weed. I went through a period of about a year where I was smoking a lot with this friend on and off. Sometimes it felt good, and put me in a nice chill mood that was enjoyable. But most of the time it made me feel anxious/paranoid, and made me question a lot about myself and the way I think in general.
It made me very mentally cloudy, and I started losing my confidence and my ability to think clearly about things. My pride was slowly slipping, and I ended up going through a pretty bad mental breakdown. Not saying it was 100% from marijuana - I had some personal things that built up that had to do with it - but smoking definitely messed with my head and contributed to the terrible episode.
I smoked recently for the first time in months with some friends (took a big dab), and I felt like I was losing my mind. I literally lost my ability to think. I would have like one sentence from a song or something random that would pop in my head and keep replaying. It eventually turned into just mumbles and then random noises that kept going in my head, and I remember thinking “holy shit I’m fucked up” and just riding it out knowing if I slept I’d feel better. Sure enough I fell asleep and was fine in the morning, but it still was a horrible, almost psychotic experience, even if only for 30 minutes.
My point is, weed affects everyone differently. Sure, there’s the people that it helps with pain or even anxiety. I have a friend who has a very short temper but weed helps keep him mellow. However, I’m tired of everyone from our generation praising weed and acting like it’s “totally harmless”, as well as the countless comparisons to alcohol and how it can’t possibly be worse for you. All alcohol has ever done to me is make me more sociable, or at the worst act really dumb. No mental breakdowns, or episodes of psychosis.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here - and it’s just my opinion - and say that weed is much worse for you than alcohol. Maybe not physically, but solely for the mental risks associated with its use. We live in an age where smoking is purely recreational and considered not a big deal at all. Not enough people talk about how detrimental it can be to your mental health. People really need to be more aware of the negatives & how bad it can fuck with your head. I wish I was.
nicksprofile oh man I have been in your shoes before. It sucks so much and it just makes you feel so low about yourself and so different because everyone seems to be so chill. I just avoid weed with high levels of thc because it's too much stress on my brain. Dabs are sooooo bad for people with mental health problems.
nicksprofile just because you personally react better to alcohol than weed doesn’t mean weed is worse for you
J.A. White in my opinion, alcohol is worse for your body, but weed is much worse for your brain
nicksprofile Alcohol can cause psychosis too: www.alcohol.org/comorbid/psychotic-disorder/
Both can cause psychosis but only alcohol can kill you and damages your liver. It also hurts the brain more than weed and it is sometimes related to violence. I think alcohol is worse than weed but it's ok too if you don't drink very often and too much. In my country(germany) you can get severe penalties for weed possesion, that's unfair if alcohol actually has advertising.
@@PsytranceLove // I agree with you. I personally can't smoke weed, but I've seen it help so many people. All countries need to legalize weed and let it be your choice. Alcohol causes so many deaths not to mention the family violence. I've never heard a cop being called out to s home because the spouse was being abusive while high on weed. Alcohol...all the time.
I dont want to get into details about my past(i used to smoke weed daily and had to basically fight with my own mind for a long period of time).I dont usually comment in videos but i wanted to share with you that EXCERCISE helps a lot.Dont search the solution in complicated philosophies,eating healthy and exercise can do miracles.
TheDeads1lence the one fucking helpful comment in this whole section lol thank you
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I did all kinds of drugs in my early teens. Now I’m on 3 atypical antipsychotics for acute paranoid schizophrenia.
At least you have insight. Many will never acknowledge that fact. Keep well.
Do you feel any actual schizophrenic symptoms when off the antipsychotics ?
Antipsycotics causes more harm than good. I believe the aftermath of drug induced hallucinations can't be cured because of chemical changes to the brain from drugs.
I have been schizophrenic my whole life for as long as I can remember. In my past I’ve taken a few different psychedelics and when I’ve taken them it was always a peaceful time. It made my hushed and aggressive voices simmer to what I can explain to be like a soft breeze. The few I did hear that were talking about things relevant at the time now had faces. Never before had my mind made up the faces to whom I’ve heard my whole life. It was so bizarre yet so refreshing to able to feel see and know more about my inner self than I ever thought imaginable. On my fully sober days I still had hallucinations. Even before I did any kind of substance (drug or alcohol) Whether it be a spider crawling on the bathroom sink to the giant air balloons floating in the sky above the field outback. They were always questioned by me if they were real and I’d reassure myself and move on (after killing the imaginary spider) because you just never knew 🤷🏻♀️😂 But when I would trip these hallucinations all appeared, a lot of the ones that I had seen as a child were also there. After coming down from that first trip and seeing those hallucinations from my childhood leave with it was extremely weird and very satisfying to say the least. I had found a peace inside of me that let these irrational fears leave. I still have terrifying hallucinations and voices in my day to day life but I know they can’t do any physical harm. I’ve been sitting outside on my front porch and would see a hooded person standing in my weeds watching me, only to be reassured by my husband that no one was there. I’m not here to say that doing drugs will help you like it did me but it did open my mind up to help make me stronger and more sturdy when it comes to my mind.
✌🏼🌙🌻 I only smoke now and that’s my form of medicine. It helps quiet everything and I feel settled in my skin. I no longer feel like a stranger to myself. I don’t take pills for it because I’ve tried a handful and that was enough agony for me. It’s a fantastic form of treatment but it isn’t for me. Schizophrenia is weird. But I don’t mind it. I like to think that I’m able to see more of the world than most. 🤷🏻♀️
My schizophrenia is the opposite. Started with weed, then tried LSD once. After that, is when shit really started to go wrong. Can't use MDMA, or weed without possibly triggering an episode. My voices aren't terrifying, or euphoric... just insanely annoying. They never stop talking and I have to constantly sift through whats real and fake- they make me feel insane, dumb, like I'm a horrible person. Shadows, faces, paranoid thoughts, all types of things can happen. Most of the time I can tell whats fake, but its getting harder as the years go on.
There are a few times where I've enjoyed their presence, and they've even been useful at times which is odd. But overall, its a nightmare.
wild one are there your own voice just talking and talking and sometimes never ending or is it like other people’s voices telling you mean things because when I try to go to sleep my mind just keep going and going like repeating words
Hope you are doing well, wish you all the best and thank you for your story!
Wow its so refreshing and nice to see someone handling it like you do, all my blessings and love to you.
I'm schizophrenic and I've lost my mind on hallucinogens. I've also found myself and many amazing realizations. I unlike what people think used to run to drugs and those experiences not from reality trying to escape something. I absolutely do not regret my drug experiences even though I am sober now because the time has just passed. That's it. I was not forced by family and friends or the cops or my body to stop drugs... well I stop doing stuff like Coke because I figured my heart has had enough... but it's not like I was about to die my next bump. Was me just balancing out pros and cons of drug experiences.
yup. seen several friends lose it like this, and saw many while I was working in psych ward.
Absolutely, my friend went to the last Woodstock in NY and dropped a few hits of gel tabs and never came back. He now has Schizophrenia and talks to the voices and laughs at nothing all day. 😞
What year
Similar story , my friend a year ago was introduced to drugs to him by his family member and now I hear stories about him sleeping in the streets , laughing randomly, talking to voices etc , scary and sad what drugs can do to a person
Same here homie got schizophrenia just from smoking too much weed
For some people, and we don't know why, marijuana causes severe and lasting anxiety and psychotic issues. People have to be very careful and start extremely low and pull the ripchord before it's too late
I saw this happen in my cousin. His aunt had a really bad case of schizophrenia and he started developing symptoms but he is clearly more frantic and scared while high.
I am going through the diagnoses of schizophrenia and I am clinically diagnosed with psychosis, weed always sets me off, the voices grow louder and it makes me really uncomfortable, but when I take psilocybin, I am so at peace, I hear the voices but they’re peaceful, they’re almost calm, ever since my first shroom trip I’ve been on a steady decline from psychosis
Im very happy for u bro i hope you live a peaceful life
how are you man? Cuz I don't think it's healthier for you to do shrooms as well. You are not in need to use anything at all! Don't be stupid
I’m glad you’re more at peace
Dude I had one bad trip, and it set it off. I tried smoking weed and it felt like the shrooms again. It was horrible. Been sober for 2 years now.
A little story about me. I was microdosing shrooms never done psychs before. Thought I was “tripping”. My buddy suggests we take acid which he’s done X amount of times. I owned a glock. I wasn’t aware of my mental “condition” Harm ocd. I had thoughts that I didnt take seriously were actually bad and not normal to my consciousness as of today. Took the tabs. 30 minutes go by and I thought I immediately killed my friends and heard cops yelling. All kinds of bad shit. I saw entities. I saw flashbacks which seemed like was the future of my life. How it ended. Where it went wrong. In our “reality” I was just on the couch hanging On for dear life. Panic attack you’d call it. I was paralyzed but in my mind everything I thought was happening was an illusion. Ego death. I resisted all the way until I was no longer able to resist. I’ve never heard voices until I started using psychs. Before the paralysis was let go of my body. A voice came across my brain and said “stop using drugs and worship me”. It was then I was put back into reality and felt like the whole experience was deja vu as if it really happened in another lifetime or something and I was sent here on earth to fix my mistakes from the previous life. That’s kinda what I got out the first epic trip. I didn’t learn my lesson cause 2 acid trips later things got worse and I wasn’t doing good In life so I understand the setting and time frame off my mentality. Last acid trip comedown became a mental breakdown of suicidal tendencies. Hearing voices telling me to kill myself stab whoever was in sight. Everything was harm. I never got diagnosed but feel as if I definitely was am prone to psychosis and I know I’m ocd. But harm ocd is a subtype I kinda diagnosed on my own from too much research. My dad deals with it and had a similar trip back in 1992 but didn’t lecture me on it until I experienced my own trips. It sucks but I’ve learned how to deal with it. Correlation with my religion and the psychedelic experiences is strange. The truth they call it. Feels like I’ve died before. Then sometimes feels like that trip showed me my death. A lot of delusions from time to time. I did continue to trip w shrooms. Never had the experience like acid but I do believe shrooms have positive effects for people with ocd. Anxiety. My friend was schizophrenic and still did shrooms. He’s not any worse. He’s doing good. It’s a mind game. I am nervous to trip it’s been a year but one of these days. I will only trip for a ritual purpose. To heal. Breakthrough the fear. Let everything go that you hold onto. Whether your ocd or not. Hear voices or not. The other side will call your name when your time comes. Mine as well get over the fear of dying if you’re gonna do psychs. SET AND SETTING AND CORRECT INFORMATION BEFORE HAND. ACKNOWLEDGING ANY UNDERLYING ISSUES BEFORE TRIPPING AND LET GO.
This was a very interesting topic. Which i hope they cover more.
My college roommate freshman year took acid for the first time and had a psychotic break, possibly Schizophrenia (his family never told me what the doctors said so I don't really know). I'm still a fan of psycadellics, but be safe people.
Quick Answer: YES. I knew a person who was fine until an accidental ingestion/OD on LSD. Punch Bowl spiked at a party. Next morning had had seizure followed by psychosis and was NEVER the same. Drugs aren't for everyone, and there are many that have had major negative outcomes in their lives without even knowing they were drug or alcohol induced. TRY to stay clean and get high on life itself. You only get one and it goes by much faster as you get older.
same thing happened to my brother but with that k2 stuff. The causes of psychosis are not fully understood. It is likely that psychosis is caused by a combination of hereditary and other factors. Psychosis may be associated with a chemical imbalance in the brain. Stress and certain drugs (for example, marijuana, speed or LSD) can trigger the first episode of psychosis.
bartofilms that Is wild man my prayers go out to him
Well seeing how the ld50 of pure lsd-25 is insanely high it is unlikely he overdosed on lsd-25 but rather a 25i-nbome or other similar phenethylamine psychedelic fyi
@@coyotelog9114 all these drugs and I didn't see Dimethyltriptamine.. you're missing out lol
@@explanationable well I did try Desmanthus illinoensis brew which contains dmt and 5-meo-dmt
I was born in 1983 Smoke pot from the time I was 15 up until about 28 And only quit due to the fact that I had a job and I could not do it anymore...Had a mother that was diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic...All my years I did have a few occasions where I smoke too much and I felt paranoid but Never did I ever have any psychosis or anything like that and I was a heavy smoker for a long time....So either I am extremely lucky Are I don’t no
My mom has schizophrenia and I'm 16 and I've been smoking everyday after school for 2 years and I'm fine but this does concern me
@@freewind4093 you're at the right age for it. Don't take any chances it can ruin your life
@@freewind4093 pleas tell me you’ve cut out the weed by now bro
@@mgstrip shit I wish I could 😂 but I've cut back and been using cbd to restore brain damage
The is mental illness in my family, but in the 60's my aunt took about 100 doses of LSD over a ten year or so period of time, she developed horrible schizophrenia. Shes been living in a board and care for over 30 years. Now nearly blind, lost all her teth, thanks to Schizo meds. I also lost my wife to this disease(No drugs) Inherited and horrible childhood trauma.
That comment brought chills down my spine.
. Most people don’t develop schizophrenia until they are 25. So when you do weed and acid when you are 15 it brings it out way sooner. That’s why you shouldn’t trip to your are 25. We all remember what it was like to be a teenager and how crazy your brain feels. throwing acid into the mix is a recipe for disaster. So many kids between the ages of 14-17 are doing acid and shrooms WAY more then anyone should be and doing way to much. Of course that is not good for you
It is not mental illness, they are punished by deep state for trying to access world secrets.
from the age of 16 i was a heavy weed user, dabbled in MDMA and LSD at least 5 times. when my grandmother died in 2020, 6 months later i had my first psychosis episode. i quit weed and quit it all. but didnt follow through with treatment for psychosis because i felt healthy again. fast forward april 2021 i had another episode of psychosis, i lost friends who didnt understand or want to support me. and the pain of that as well as falling on my ass again made me take my mental health seriously. i havent had another episode of psychosis since then. im 3 yrs now doing well. but i now have a life long illness of schizoaffective disorder (bipolar and schizophrenia). im actually doing the best i have in years for that im grateful. point is we need more education and research into this.
Yes they can. I had some issues with psychosis from being on steroids for long periods of time
My aunt, the only one in my family with any mental illness has what we believe to be drug induced schizophrenia she also got it off bad acid and probably some really good shrooms
YES. Stop glamourising drugs. They’ll send you loopy in the end.
yes lets lump every one together.
Very sweeping generalization. You cannot make the assumption that just because something happens in one instance, that it will happen in all instances. that is extremely poor science and logic. Correlation does NOT equal causation
Weed isn’t a drug. Anything else can definitely fuck up your brain even psychedelics that aren’t natural
@@smokeasack8782 weed is a drug, your name just proves it even more.
Smoke a Sack weed isn’t a drug😂 joe Rogan would dismiss that bullshit in a second. Of course it’s a drug, and it can fuck up your brain if you are prone to schizophrenia, just like psychedelics. And the majority of psychedelics we use are completely natural like psylocibin mushrooms. Just because these substances can trigger a psychotic break in certain individuals, doesn’t mean we should make them illegal. It actually supports the argument of making them legal as a means of having some regulations. Also, if this knowledge is spread and widely known, there is far less of a chance of psychotic breakdowns. Once we have an extremely reliable mental evaluation system in place and clinics people could go to for a guided spiritual journey! These drugs are no joke, they are also profoundly intriguing and can be useful for society!
Yes heavy drug use can cause schizophrenia
Naughtism what drugs? Not psychedelics
Oliver Madden yes they can too
As a schizophrenic I can confirm this. Hell, alcohol abuse can send you into a psychosis.
Inferneau I have known many normal people who use drugs for years and become schizophrenic
Inferneau psychosis isn't schizophrenia
It's wrong to assume that only people at risk who have it in their family bloodline can get it. I know that's not what he is saying but it sounds like it to much. Every single human can get schizofrenia if you push hard enough, some can just endure more because they dont have problems with their root system so the say. For those who dont know, schizofrenia is not a multiple personality disorder as still allot of people think. Its diagnosed by having multiple psychoses and the effects that remains because of that. Actualy every psychosis is created by a form of selfconflict and a feeling of unsafety created internaly or externaly, councious or subconcious. Its because a part of the root believes that makes you feel save with internal and external reality are supressed or fragmented. These root believes are the foundation of your personality which at that breakdown point will be seen as a danger. It means a psychosis is a switch in your rootsystem that lets it turn yourself against you basicly. To give an example : These root believes can be switched (for example) when a person pretends to be dangerous to others just to feel more safe and confident, but then starts believing its own lies and committing to it just to not be exposed for what is behind it. Now when you commit hard enough the conflict starts to get worse. The majority of the personalty starts to clash with the lie of being dangerous, because this now is the new root believe that makes you feel save altho its based on a lie. This also can happen the other way around when you don't feel save with yourself anymore because your root believe changed to being weak because of a traumatic experience while your coming from a strong personality. It means all the believes stacked upon your root believe don't connect anymore and fall like a card house. There are more ways of course to get to the point where the safety root belief switches. It can happen because of trauma , because of being motivated by an unsafe feeling and trying to fix it in a destructive way like the examples above, or by taking to much drugs, basicly to a point you don't recognize or can distinguish reality from the drugged reality, this last scenario however in most cases creates a defragmented personality only unless a bad trip attacks the root believe. I personally believe however that every human being could get to this point very quickly when they are exposed to certain trauma's and using the wrong drugs despite the fact its in your bloodline or not. The solutions to fix it afterwards however can be really difficult as you would either have to build upon a root belief which contains a lie in comparison to the rest of the fallen personalty or remove the lie and learn to trust again on the initial root belief which is most of the time easier said then done. Then there is a third option which is most of the time the fastest path to recovery. Integrate the lie in a constructive way and make the lie a truth. For example : if the lie was being dangerous, get dangerous first but on a controlled and friendly way. For example become an expert in a fighting sport. Or if the lie is that your to weak you can use the same strategy but with the goal to exposé the lie. There are way more things that could help you in recovering on the way but those are the root problems that need to be solved. Additional things that can help you on the way are any form of muscle release, meditation, mindfulness, walking, talking to a psychologist if they are competent enough.(sadly allot are not) There of course is way more to it, but this are fundamentally the most important causes and things to consider.
Biofeedback therapy helped my son tremendously get his brain to a point where the doctor could lower the antipsychotic meds.
@@desiree2773 great! Thanks for sharing!
i feel like this is me, contradiction as a factor in my brain, i always had an intrest in philosopy, im still in highschool lmao i dont wanna lose that intrest i think it be something i could get into. My words dont match up and im still beliveing alternate things while making myself thinks the lies are the truth. You see with philosophy, i think everything is connected, which is true, thats obvious, every philosopy knows that. BUT every one of them connects all the dots are real, connecting family and their work, or their life and their studies, instead of me doing that, id adapt these theories, these "true meanings" , and i applied to my life, i convinced myself that i see the opening no one sees, im alone but also with someone, im with family but im also with friends, im in the dark but i see light and at the same time im thinking about the dark and the light, i think both are connected to a specturm of a rainbow, with colors. i would think im very profound, and use weed and shrooms to see more insight, i believe inflicting self conflict on the brain internal or external, is what cause a pre-existing pyschoisis, whic then using drugs makes that pre-existing pyschosis a reality. the only way i can redeem myself is doing the opposite. ask your whats the oppisote of a philosopher, and that being a lawyer. One that enforces laws and ground rules and takes it seriously . im pulling this card on myself, or wahtever i wanna call it. telling myself im not agasint myslef but im beliving all this bullcrap, im not a damn scientist, no offense to myself but im doing so well in school, in what world would i be so profound that i be some fucking new god. i need to cut this shit. It's actually hurting me pretty badly, and i feel like inflicitng this self-conflict would make me wanna stray away from drugs. i need to be on a lane before i can choke on drugs. maybe become the SCIENTIST or become the PHILOSOPHER and thennnn if i wanna smoke weed and eat shrooms then it will be ok. because my mental state wont be so open that i fucking induce myself with a self pyschois that i think the word is ending and that i existed before time. If ANYTHING my sanity is being defined by a rollercoster, and my deal is just shut the fuck up and do my life already and go to damn college and be somebody.
Leaving a comment so I can find this easily when I need it
My ex husband has an Uncle who is Schizophrenic. We were together for 8 years. I talked to my Husband about how at risk he is. He gave up everything except weed. The last year and a half my Husband changed. He was saying "I don't want to go and I don't want you to go." He suddemly wanted to isolate. He had major opportunities and suddenly didn't want them. I no longer felt safe around him. I miss the man I had for most of the time terribly. He refuses to get help. I lost to mental illness. Maybe it would have happened anyway but there were times he was off of everything..even he knew his mind was better during those times. It makes me sad..but it also makes me angry.
When the left side of your brain starts talking to the right side and your heart is watching while the substance ingested is trying to convince you its an alien from the pleiades star system
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Growth spurts and deficiency in vitamins, minerals and trace minerals need to be researched.
Yeah since i smoke a lot ive started havin some issues with sleeping and some images in my head wich were cool when i was high but now not so much i just reduced my dosage
I’ve a friend who went weird after taking acid and he was diagnosed schizophrenic 2 years later at 24year old and he’s been in and out of mental institution’s ever since yet me and loads more of my mates regularly used acid and mushrooms and are all perfectly fine.
I know someone with one use of acid and now has schizophrenia and no family history! How do you explain that?
I had a really bad trip from simply smoking an upper, combined with lack of sleep. I used to have constant traffic in my head, I went through a very similar experience this man did and once it was over, there was no more noise in my head, and I had a deep appreciation for the day simply being sunny. Still clear to this day.
What does "smoking an upper" mean>
i am 16, schizophrenia runs deep in my family. i am certain i am slowly building to being diagnosed with it. i heavily abused mdma, acid, marajuarna, speed etc.... i think im loosing myself and now researching about what my future might look like.
Stop any drugs and alcohol bro seriously
Stop while you still can
How you doing buddy ?
You shouldt be doing any of that at 16 regardless of your family history. If you keep doing what your doing you are gonna 100% have it. Shouldn’t even touch that stuff till your 25 at the least
You will be fine. Aum Shanti🙏🏼Hare Krishna🕊️
The story that comes to mind for me is brian wilson, lead composer of the beach boys, who after taking lsd began hearing threatening voices in his head for the rest of his life, and he still hears them today
I've had issues with depersonalization since my pre teens, and had my only acid trip last summer. To say it was a nightmare is a fucking understatement
I think there are definitely people who have a neurological predisposition, where if they did not take any psychedelics then they would never have became schizophrenic. In addition to that, I think the same goes for marijuana. I have seen very psychologically healthy people become pot heads and their mental health deteriorated quite dramatically. But then again, I have many friends who smoke regularly who are as healthy as can be. It seems like it really depends on the person. A good solution would be to develop some type of test involving the brain that can pinpoint people who have a predisposition to schizophrenia so that they can avoid hallucinogens altogether, allowing those that are low risk to enjoy the benefits without feeling like they rolled the dice.
For sure
That’s not what the science points to, the science points to a disposition that drugs bring on, not the drugs themselves
i have predisposing to doctors... when ever i see one i get terribly ill...
I always wondered who I'd be without any drug use
People sometimes say ..oh he or she would have developed schizophrenia anyway even if they didn't smoke weed.We don't know that to be true ..a person could have been totally fine had they not smoked it in the first place.
Yes they can. End of discussion. Drugs constantly make people go crazy and turn into nuts who end up homeless and out of their minds.
There is a difference between schizophrenia and drug induced psychosis (the latter one is temporary). Still, it's very possible for drugs to be the cause (or one of the causes) of schizophrenia.
Theaterishish Ava weed caused my dad to have schitzoaffective so don’t pull shit out of you’re ass all because you like smoking weed you stupid fuck
It's like bee stings.
There's no way to know how vulnerable you are, unless you got stung.
I have schizophrenia and I love almost all my experiences with psychedelics. It can actually make you more in touch with reality.
You have it and you still take drugs? How does that work? Do you feel u affects you different than the rest?
I know what you're saying here, but it makes the schizophrenia worse at the same time.
Try water fasting it could put you all the way in reality. Worth a short. Some good research on it in Russia. Yuri nikolayev
@@Fabl3s I tried it for 5 days. It sure puts you to reality, but not all the way for me.
Joe 'stats from his arse' Rogan
So what can those with schizophrenia/ drug induced psychosis - what can (I) take safely?
Definitely schizophrenia runs in my family my sister is a full blown schizo i was never able to handle weed all my life I always the paranoid highly anxious felt like i was psychoitic one now I know why I’m genetically predisposed to getting a paranoid reaction to weed and drugs
He said bipolar..
Type 1 individuals normally have psychosis.
That explains what happened to me on LSD.
10% don’t have a diagnosis of schizophrenia-it’s around 1%. But schizophrenia is on a spectrum, so it’s possible that 10% have some form higher than baseline (e.g., high schizotypy, schizotypal personality disorder, schizoid personality disorder)
why? i quit all drugs like marijuana and i never did pills when i was 20 to 30. i had motrin and thats it. in the marines and i even got a couple personal awards and i still ended up broken 14 years until i was diagnosed and forced to retire. i still made it to rank milestones.
One second Joe is telling everyone to eat mushrooms, then he's saying you can become a spaz if you do... I was about to try shrooms soon but after seeing this I think I'll just have to stick to alcohol 😑
Same here 😅
Amanda P a schizophrenic person is not a ‘spaz’. Do your own research and use your own mind
Who told you alcohol was safe drugs in moderation are you can get yourself into a alcohol induced psychosis
It's funny because so many people claim weed is so harmless but I took a moderate dose of it once and felt like my life was a movie that I was watching from my brain, I felt separated from my own body (depersonalization/derealization) for like a week or two afterwards. Meanwhile when I've gotten super drunk, the worst that happened was I had a hangover the next day and then after that I was completely fine lol. So many people underestimate certain drugs it seems.
@@johnsampson6387 lmao never happened to me
I ALSO believe that chronic consumption of PROCESSED FOODS/DRINKS GREATLY ADDS to the risk of schizophrenia.
I am skitzo and heavily agree sugar make me mad
My Mother was never in my life so I knew nothing about her.
A long time ago I tried LSD, smoked weed and tried ecstasy once. Well after I came down i didn't feel the same.
I was thrown into the world of psychiatric wards, crisis units, group therapy, one on one talk therapy, therapy groups for trauma victims and years of both DBT and finding out which psychiatric medications.
Later in life I found out my Mother has schizophrenia, mania, ptsd, bpd, eating disorder, anxiety and everything under the sun.
Yes the hallucinogens brought my psychosis out and it hasn't been easy.
Recently Ive been told I have PTSD.
Schizoaffective disorder depressive type, generalized anxiety, post traumatic stress disorder, insomnia.
It sucks so don't do drugs man. They're not worth it.
why waste time on szhiophrenia meds, these are just voices focus on your work ignore voices, fight illusions with rationality. The deep state created this mental illness drama to prevent people from knowing the secrets of this world.
I started smoking 3 years ago,everything was going ok but then in 2016 something happend,I completely changed as a person,I started questioning everything on my mind,I wouldn’t trust food or drinks,if someone held my cup I had to get other one
I’m خ٧ثه I had a similar experience
damn hope you are ok man. Did you seek help from a Dr?
VikingFitness nope,still happening
Osd?
well antipsychotics are retarded i suggest you dont go to a doc, but search up natural ways to combat this, maybe a lot of niacin and vitamin c or something
IDK but I have schizoaffective disorder and I've experimented with shrooms and to this day I've never had a bad trip microdosing helps me feel happy and uplifted during the day and the larger doses are just straight-up fun... I wish there was more research on the effects of psilocybin on schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder because personally I have felt very positive results from psilocybin
What’s your schedule on dosage? Any clean days(No micro-dose days) thought the 7 day week?
Through out^
@@Lvl1farmer I eat 2 g once a month and when I take micro doses it's usually 100 to 300 mg and I mix it with reishi mushroom lion's mane mushroom and cordyceps for a nootropic affect. And yes I do take days off you can't do psilocybin everyday because you build tolerance very quickly so you need at least 48 hours in between every time you eat it
Newsflash! Books can cause schizophrenia. I once spent a very long time analyzing a novel. At some point I realized that I have begun analyzing reality in the same way, and I felt cut of from the world and people, like I was living in a world of my own (analyzing the motivation of everyone around me etc.), which is fearful if taken to an extreme. But I was smart enough to realize that it was just my analytic mind being to reactive, and that reality is not something that can be captured in words. So I gave my mind less stimuli for a few days, and I was back to normal.
We humans organize the world in syntactical hierarchies, and there really is no single kind of reality. Since our understanding of reality is syntactical (consisting of words or representation) it means we can organize the sensory input we get in any type of arbitrary hierarchy. The hierarcy is our programming or filter, it is how we interprent sensory input - whats called the lifeworld in phenomelogical philosophy. The lifeworld is the syntactical structure in our mind which decides what seems meaningful to us. So for a schizophrenic, who have gone outside the ordinary lifeworld, anything might seem meaningful. So one got to realize that the more wacky experiences psychedelics gives, is not something that the human language is capable of organizing in any rational way.
Use CBD oil it resets the brain in parts were schizophrenia is developed preventing the illness
That’s right! Stop reading books and start doing drugs… good call.
very interesting comment
I am most definitely addicted to weed
I thought the conversations in the dark with the shadowy figure was me just tripping
Jordan Moser Nope, it is me your unconscious mind
Nah you're just weak
jehkjshrfk You don’t understand addiction then. You might be addicted yourself, if you don’t even smoke pot though your opinions not valid
Sebastian I use to smoke all day everyday, but didn't like how It got in the way of other things. Now I buy an 8th n smoke over 7-10 days, mark it In my calendar and don't smoke again for 3 weeks. It's only hard for the first 3 days. If weed has any type of grip on you that u can't control...you're weak.
Its crazy how this podcast came out at the time i first experienced a psychotic episode
Drugs and alcohol, open doors for demons. To manipulate with ones soul.
Nenad IC XC Shuput alcohol is a drug
I agree with both, alcohol is a drug as well, just a now legal one. Drugs definitely leave our fragile souls vulnerable and open to manipulation. Only the most aware people will be able to ward those demons out naturally. The ones that don’t, end up on the news after having shot or brutally murdered someone. There are those who just lay dormant waiting for the next victim. It’s a crazy world
Nenad IC XC Shuput Alcohol doesn't do shit lol
twenty onesavage didn doo nufin
That is why it is also called spirits.
After watching your videos about DMT Joe, my son (17 yrs old) smoked a whole vape pen full of DMT which he ordered online. He is currently diagnosed with Drug Induced Psychosis. Thank you for glamorizing this drug that stole my sons mind
Yeah, because Joe Rogan is the reason your son makes bad decisions. Oh no wait that's what bad parenting does.
Maybe you should take care of your kids a little better
Desiree, we're still in the dark ages when it comes to understanding the mind and psychosis. But something like this may help your son. www.ashwoodrecovery.com/blog/drug-induced-psychosis-can-recover/ In general, we are ignorant, including psychiatrists. Nevertheless, there are insightful and caring professionals. I hope that your son recovers, or lives to learn well despite the damage. The brain is plastic, and he is young. There is hope.
Nobody told him to vape a full pen he’s 17 if someone told him to jump off a cliff to enter a new realm would he do it
Did it wear off after time?
I have bipolar and ive only done shrooms 3 times and had one bad trip which was my last. Would it be bad if i tried to do something stronger? The only reason i had that bad trip was because i had recently went through a break up so my mind state was fucked. I feel it just depends on your mindstate going into it.
Nope not a good idea especially if you are going through something. I have a brother who abused drugs as a way to deal with his problem. didn't work out so well for him he has mental problems now.
Would not suggest at all. Give it a year or so and see where you are in life. You want to be absolutely at your best if you want to take something stronger. Spirituality and emotionally.
Can someone over 50 develop sudden onset schizoaffective disorder or schizophrenia during forced meth detox (30 yr abuse history) or can use after 30 day of abstinence cause sudden onset? Or, could it appear like the above but be meth-induced psychosis alone triggered by the detox for some reason?
Hey man and everyone in response to this video who experiances problems from using psychoactive drugs etc, while cannabis being a semi-psychoactive drug. I can totally relate to what ur all are saying but the problem here in my opinion is that we (the individual) are not the problem but the surrounding, our lack of understanding of the psyche, the consciusness and whats actually going on. We live in a universe bigger than anyones understanding where we trust doctors, authority and what not without even blinking and where they have pages upon pages poiting out madness in alternate consciusness wich i would call schizophrenia. It's all these new levels of counsciousness that terrifies us, the fear of going mad, wich is notso strange since we have no idea how to deal with this other realm that this alternate states of consciousness work within. Everyone is wired differently and respond differently on stimuli, where some one could have an episode of psychosis tendensies and some one feeling schizophrenic while the next experiance deep motion of anxiety and im not surprised. Are you all really surprised? It's like we are not made for this world we made for ourselfs and would we really want to meet someone who was? If we take a good look around us and even tho we might have misery just outside our doorstep it's still not really that far off and it effects us none the less and maybe even more since we can not take part in chaos but mere stand aside from it and complain wich are not a very constructive way of living.
The Cannabis experiance:
Started smoking in my mid teens and never really had any bad experiance from it more than lighting up after drinking alot of alcohol wich u all know is know no-go. It was not untill i was in my late teens i had my first really bad experiance wich i can relate to in alot i've read from the comments on here. Mainly for me and the biggest issue was my heart racing and beating abnormaly hard and rapid (wich in relation to what i felt to what it actually was were pure imagination) and snowballing out of control mainly because of my thinking patterns surrounding what was happening. And since i was quite young i could not rationalize what was happening wich made my state even worse. Every second of every minute was dedicated to that one string of thoughts, something is wrong. Am i going insane, am i going to die? I managed to find my way home and eventually fall asleep. Next episode was shortly after and almost the same at wich point i stopped since i did not even have to inhale to get into the state of madness. I would get placebo and higher than i've ever been bofor just from the smell (wich i much later would realize is not even possible so it would have had to do with how i was thinking and that i actively had to control my thoughts) . I had to distance myself. I could not even bare to smell it and it put me back into that state.
The Psychadelia experiance: (mostly tryptamines)
Had my first trip on shrooms, psilocybe cubensis when i was in my late teens wich was a positive experiance. And it would be a while since i were to try it the next time wich would be around 26 wich in this case would be LSD wich in itself was an interessting experiance but not all good. I went through stages from good to bad to good etc. But what i learned that halped me not to spiral into madness was mindfullness wich i will get to a bit later. And i must say that i've done a few sessions of LSD, DMT since then but mostly Psilocybe semilanceata wich has been both bad and good experiances. Some really emotional, somce straight out scary and horrofying whom of wich most likely would have put me in a madhouse if not for the mindfullness wich i will come to here in a moment.
The central stimulant experiance:
Mostly Amphetamines, MDMA and veriety of them two such as Xtc. In this devision is mostly where i felt the most horror, since episodes could last days into weeks and months. Do my friends hate me or do i just need to sleep? Thats a phrase wich some might relate to and the beautiful thing here is that u will be sober from any substance and still feel this disconnection from reality with delusions as well as psychosomatic auditory hallucinations from pre dating bad trips and what not. The tap in the kitchen will drip and and the sound of the drip u will hear voices speaking to u. Walking down the street of ur town u will se everyone turning their head talking about you and mostly saying these nasty stuff about u. Episodes where u question everything u do to a things as simple as buttering ur bread to how u stand in the shower. Voices and eyes everywhere. Again i tackle it all with mindfullness
So now to my point. And even tho this is my strong belief i don't recommend trying this since it takes a certein mental capability wich i must admit i probably did not have to begin with so im lucky i came out on top here instead of ending up on the psych ward or even worse, hurting myself or some one else. I just want you to get the picture and the hypothesis here
Mindfullness:
In my early to mid 20s i was thinking about smoking cannabis again since i really missed the positive benifits from it but as i explained it here a bit back i could not even stand the smell, it would get me right back on that bad rollercoaster so what do i do? Well fuck it, i was at that point where i would have learned from personal experiances and reading that what ever this is and what ever is happening to me it's just in my head. It's not real! With that in mind i toaked up... Bad decision i began to feel as it came straight back, paranoid and scared i started to walk around the appartment thoughts racing around my head, wierd shit going on when i walked into the kitchen to have a drink and then to the hallway to get my jacket and to put on my shoes wich put me into this totally different pattern of thinking. The process of getting that glass and filling it with water and going for my jacket and shoes had totally changed my brain waves so to say, away from what ever had govern me moments befor and from that day i was on to something and i was determined that i was not going to quit smoking i was just getting back to it. And from there i kept on breaking it down trying to understand my reactions to it and why it happened. You could call it some sort of therapy, like cbt, mindfullness or what not. And after 2 years i was fully cured. If thats what u wanna call it. The problems where gone, from sitting watching my friend or friends hitting that bong over and over again thinking.. How do they do it? How come i get totally fucked up by just zipping one hit from a spliff while they can go to town on that thing to me being able to smoke a joint with half a gram of the strongest all by myself with no unpleasant feeling what so ever
And jumping to psychadelia, same methods helped me eliminate most of the horrors that would catapult me into an all bad trip to an actual meaningfull use of the substance. Ofc psychadelia is a category for it self. A trip is ment to be both bad and good. It are to be respected as a journey covering the dual aspects of everything. And moving over to central stimulants. Well staying up for days to a week will effect u, sleep deprivation is the closest a sane mind will close in on madness and paranoia, especially under the influence of a drug but where i prior to befor got psychotic, paranoia and unable to even form a sentence i find with the help of mindfullness a beautifull secondary consciousness where wether im high on something or not can see everything with a new set of eyes and appreciate that awkward state im finding myself in
I will wrap this up by going back to where i begun. What if psychology would learn from shamanism, something that dates back thousands of years where some one would guide you through the bad experiances u encounter throughout ur life and im not only talking about under the influance of drugs, but under daily basis. A totally sober person can have psychotic episodes inflicted by traumas or something that have happened to them, in wich case we as a society today get in contact with a doctor that practice modern medicine woul administrate some pill or injection or what not that alternate the chemical balance in out body wich in the longer term will make this person mad while the practice of the shaman is spiritual and guiding, not blaming and positive that everything happens for a reason and that we must find the link to spirit if we went and lost it whilst again in modern medecine we are labled as malfunctioning and that something is seriously wrong with us. That will only feed our fear wich in turn we will be lost. But acknowledge this awkward but beautiful state you find urself in with a new set of eyes and explore it
Thank you
Hope you are doing well! Thank you for your story
i guess theres the chance it is coincidental but my mom was normal and started using meth and started changing over a few years and eventually was diagnosed with full this disease full blown. no one else in the family has it. she was fine before meth. most cases of this disease take effect by people's 20s. My mom was fine until her mid 30s after doing meth for a few years. this isnt psilocybin of course but some drugs in general
I was a heavy pot smoker for a couple of months and started to have psychotic outbreaks little by little. Then, I did cocaine for 1 month and I became schizophrenic. Drugs can ruin your life if you are genetically prone to suffer from schizophrenia.
(Excuse me if my English isnt good enough, I am not a native speaker but you certainly know what I meant)
Happened to Roky Erickson and Peter Green.
My friend suffered from psychosis after smoking weed.
weed gives me temporary schizophrenia sometimes. i just start getting paranoid and delusional.
Sounds like psychosis to me
ChairBox yeah and those terms you just used are interchangeable
ChairBox to be perfectly clear, I only get the paranoid schizo experiences from marijuana on the rarest occasion. The point is: that it fucking happens.
ChairBox
i'm not dealing with anything. i'm saying that sometimes weed can give me temporary schizophrenia
ChairBox semantics
The problem is that many people have genes associated with psychotic disorders (more than 1%, much more) however most don’t ever manifest in a condition. My concern is that cannabis and other substances (especially stimulants) increase the number of people with psychotic disorders by acting as a stimulus of sorts for the expression of a gene/s. There isn’t a full understanding of all the genetic component to truly know whether or not drugs can be the cause of chronic psychosis in certain individuals which would have otherwise been unaffected. Family history of psychosis or lack thereof is probably not enough to really predict heather drugs may ‘induce’ or catalyze chronic psychotic disorders
I used to do drugs when I was a teen and then I did acid once and I felt fine after but a little time after that I did develope schizophrenia and idk if it was my age or the acid. I did have a episode of paranoia when I was younger so I think it was my old age but all my friends did say I changed after taking the lsd. I dont really know if it was the acid or not
They talk about psychedelics but Everybody I’ve ever known with schizophrenia ,bipolar ,anxiety issues ,even some of the people with depression, They all have one thing in common, they smoked weed.
So MAYBE, just MAYBE, its a correlation of lots of different people using weed, rather than the weed itself being the cause? 🤔
im diagnosed with a variety of things but i was diagnosed before i started smoking weed :p maybe consider that the development of mental illness has a lot of causes, and people often “self medicate” with weed to assist or escape from them. not saying smoking weed is the best treatment, just that its often used as a form of treatment”” :pppp
wow imagine that, it's almost like people who cannot cope with life turn to drugs for relief. nah that couldn't possibly be it, it has to be that people can't cope with life BECAUSE they've used drugs... right?
You're basing that on your own personal experiences. Please don't blurt out ideas like that without objective evidence to support your claim.
I already had heavy anxiety and depression so started to use marijuana as treatment
What does he mean by mirrored in marijuana use?
So if you do have it, what are you supposed to do?
Did psyshs my entire teenage years im now 18 and had my first shroom induced psychosis it is the scariest thing I’ve ever done and put my family through ever
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Yea you shouldnt be doing them when you are a teen your brain is still developing you are supposed to wait till you are 25🤦♂️
More research would benefit everyone. But clearly there's a chance it could happen, otherwise people wouldn't even have these conversations.
It's weird transition like finding a hidden transmission gear in your head
I use to smoke a lot of weed but the pressure of life and trauma makes my brain panic when I get too high
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When I smoke weed which is everyday since I was 8/9 years old I spend a lot of time in my head talking to myself I can see this being completely true. I wonder if I should get a sleep study on my brain while I sleep I don't sleep well and it takes about four hours of sleep for me to feel energized
yes
i cant do txc... i have schitz and insomnia and
cant handle it.
How about HPPD disorder?
My cousin developed schizophrenia and he smoked weed but his parents were abusive so would i be in risk of developing schizophrenia if i smoke weed
I think that the early trauma plays a bigger part than the weed in terms of your cousin, but maybe see if there are others in your family with schizophrenia first
Why would you even take a chance. Risk- reward ratio is totally off there
i wish i had watched this before last night
Hey cool I'm schizophrenic and I love Joe Rogan!
Have u smoke weed
@@hkhjlfgdhsb I sure have friend
How is it being schiz?
@@388sbc5 Hello friend, great question! It's really bizarre. That's the best way I can describe it, it's a very bizarre disorder. It's almost ike living in 2 different realities. It's hard to tell what's real and what's not. If you're interested, I have all kinds of videos about it on my channel. It's really all about finding the right treatment plan and sticking to it. Schizophrenia doesn't have to be the end of the world. With the right help this can be managed quite well. I advise staying in therapy as long as possible. When I was being diagnosed one of the doctors who evaluated me put me on some medicine and told me anytime you are on a psychiatric medication you should also be in therapy. And I agree with that 100% because with schizophrenia you need more than just medication. You can't rely soley on medication alone. The people who do aren't getting the results they want. Please let me know if you have any other questions about it or if I can explain anything better.
So why do so many people claim psycedelics cured their depression if youre not allowed to take it in the first place???
Tried to explain this to the homies when I stopped smoking weed
A lot of stoners refuse to believe there are negative effects to weed. They are totally ignorant about it
@@ArmwrestlingJoe yup They like "it's a medicine" "It's better then alcohol" etc..
Lsd is most definitely caused worst cases of schizophrenia, have a mate who has family who has schizophrenia like his brother, when we take acid with him his personality goes wild haha
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Nope. It can happen with no history of mental illness or known family - shot happens and it’s very hard to conclude if it’s the drug, or that strain of the drug, or if a stomach was empty, or if there was fatigue involved, etc.
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I think my great grandmother had schizophrenia or bipolar. Not sure.. but I smoked and did drugs. I don't want that happening to me. I have had hallucinations before. Not many tho
I've accepted the fact that the delusion of myself and everyone else being satan, is purely the making of my own mind and my psychosis, after all my meds go straight to my head and the paranoia goes away. But I still question it from time to time. Can we the human race, my self included, be the fallen angel?... it could explain why we're capable of so many evil acts.
Satan is an archetype. In a way, youre right. Those things should be taken metaphorocally.
damn thats crazy
I smoked pot for the first time when I was 14. It was terrifying and I wanted it to end.
I smoked when I was 20
17 actually. For me it then was amazing. But not like sth i would do for a party or with many people or strangers. It kind of was a confrontation with myself + mz fantasy running wild. I could imagine beaaaautiful landscapes in my inner eye. Like i did not reallynsee them😁 i just kind of drew very detailes picturesl with my imagination. That was awesome :) but actually i do not experience it like that anymore. So i do not use it anymore
Cannabis is not a bad thing may even help some people but it’s not for everyone and can cause major mental issues for some especially high doses but these issues happen because it hasn’t been legalised so it’s not being regulated
I feel like I may one of those people since I've had bad trips of weed
lol i feel exactly the same...ive also done dxm, but in a rather small dose...it was fine and even great at points but it also had some very scary parts too, just like the weed thing...i dunno :/
If you had a "trip" on weed it's laced no question I've smoked some of the finest strand's for years no hallucinations or trips just many many hours of laughing and the genocide of thousand's of little Debbie cakes lol
no it doesnt have to be laced. i smoked the exact same weed as all of my friends but i had a completly different reaction to it. thats what this whole video is about...for some people certain drugs work and for others certain drugs do not work. brains are different man...and i allways had a very strong and different reaction to weed than the people around me.
GoodToGo quit smoking dirties then
GoodToGo same here, I've had plenty good "highs" and a few bad trips. So I stoped all that
yes.
Yes.
Feel like you shouldn’t stay away, it’s like we disregard why we don’t understand, More so you should work with people who are willing to understand this more. For instance study how it affects, the different environments and moods? Maybe even the time of year could make a difference but hiding away from it saying you should never touch it is half the problem (I’m on about schizophrenic and other mental illnesses)
If you have experienced friends and yourself becoming schizophrenic and bipolar because of psychadelics then you wouldn't have said those words. It ruins many lives and I say that from experience
It can trigger it.