Regarding the last question on how everyone is passing you on hills and vice verse. I always experience the same. Even hugely 2 days ago on Ironman Barcelona. I think it’s down to wrong pacing strategy. I did both loops of the race with only 30 second difference. But many others bonked and have done the second lap slower. I think most people push too hard uphill and don’t accelerate enough downhill.
Thanks for taking my question about urinating on the bike leg! Good idea about the water bottle for cleaning off. Other advice I heard was to do it on a downhill leg at speed. TH-cam name is my Hawaiian middle name - pronounced Kay- Lee- e- moy- ah - new. And good on you for trying to pronounce it @Mark!
13:43 it’s purely because those boys are smashing it and the P5 rider isn’t. It happens on every group ride and everyone remains adamant they’re “strictly zone 2” while coughing up blood 😂
I too have recently been dealing with an injury and haven’t been able to run for 3 months. Instead, I have been focussed on cycling, swimming, and weights. I have set a goal of taking a number of local Strava KOMs for a mental health goal/focus and have really been enjoying it. I look forward to running again though, hopefully soon!
Yes. On the bike leg, once during a half, and twice during a full. If you don't have to pee, you may be dehydrated. I even pee during the run if needed. Just wash everything afterward. And peeing is common in a wetsuit. Cold water, water pressure, and pressure from the wetsuit can cause peeing. Blood is pushed into the core, and a body needs to get rid of the excess fluid.
4:09, It's unfortunate that drafting, riding in groups, "sharing the load" has become normalized in non-draft-legal triathlons. Mark's words were said without a second thought.
If you ride legally at 12m you still benefit from the draft. Therefore groups will legally work together to share the load and pull back time/put time in. This is nothing new. The top athletes have done this since day 1 of triathlon. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Large groups at just a few metres apart from one another is a totally different subject - don’t put me in that category, thank you
I think it would be great for GTN to discuss drafting in non-draft legal races, the rules, and what might be done to get everyone to ride their own race instead of riding in drafting groups. T100 min distance is 20 m and they still ride in groups. If you're at the back of a 6 person group, it's stupid that you have to pass all 6 in one swoop rather than one every 5 minutes.
I once ran in a 10k race that was ranked by weight categories in Thailand. I got my first ever trophy and was delighted! I’m a fairly average size in the U.K. but felt a bit of a bloated giant next to most Thais 😂 Still, I’m in it for fun not to win anything
This year at Challenge Roth it was quite cold during the bike leg and I think my kidney / bladder didn't like that. I had to pee after 60 km on the bike. Never had such a problem before and thought I could hold it to transition. I held it untill km 120 and then had to get off the bike because I couldn't let go. Off the bike it took really long and hurt because I held it so long. My power numbers were also a bit lower when I was trying to hold it back. So my advice would be: *always let it go immediately* After that I had to get off the bike one more time and about 10 to 15 times into the bushes during the run. The fluids from the aid station were just going in and exiting my body, I was really worried I would dehydrate. The bladder was so done after the race that I had problems making it to the toilet in the hotel. As soon as I felt that I had to go, I really had to push to keep it in - the whole night. I think it was caused by the cold weather because I was not the only one with that problem but I guess the extensive holding back messed up the "system" completely.
suggestion for beer mile. don't drink from the bottle / can. run with a foldable cup and pour the beer in from a height as it will force the beer to produce a huge gassy top head which contains most of the CO2. you can get ride of the foam and the drink ittself should be easier on the stomach
A 1% gradient counts as a climb?? At most that gives me a "huh I guess that's why I was 1kmph less than I expected" in hindsight. I don't even notice a 1% grade in the moment riding. 3% sure, it exists, but definitely doesn't need fully lower gears. That's totally on the rider, not the bike.
Do they not have Athena and Clydesdale categories in the UK? I think every race I've done here in Australia, apart from a tiny one (where my age group had just 3 men!) has had those. I've only seen Athenas be 80+, but I've seen Clydesdale sometimes have a 90-99 and 100+ category. Was great for one of my mates whose main sport is rugby union!
Rain or no rain, purely disgusting to pee while biking... what?, pros are doing it? I might understand to pee during the swim (very hard to do), but on your bike? just not sure about this...
@@Aeronwor I dont know what bike you are racing or riding, but mine is somewhat expensive and as long as I dont race for top 3 in Kona and the only way i can podium is to keep going and pee on myself and my bike, I WOULD NEVER DO IT....
@@MrMeowNow nothing that can't be washed. But do you pee in your wetsuit (nb. divers can do worse)? How is that different, given you then spend most of the remaining part of the swim in a slightly saltier saline soluton? If anything that is more disgusting, just because you spend longer in your own brine.
Heading into T2 at Outlaw half, as things were getting busy, lots of bikes all coming in together since the course gets quite narrow and bumpy towards the end, not great for overtaking - lady in front of me starting peeing aaaaall over the place. Maybe better to pop into a portaloo during T2 or just find a quieter part of the course?
What I'm hearing from Ivan is that he would like to blame his P5 for poor climbing. I don't get group rides often; last one I did I stayed with the A group for a good while, dropping them on climbs, being dropped on descents, and being reeled back on flats..so the opposite. Then I bonked because I wasn't fueling well enough. This is with a bike which weighed at least 6kg more, downtube shifters, aero penalties, and wide tires. Just saying...it ain't your bike which is to blame.
Be aware that urinating can be an offense, worst case leading to disqualification when seen by an official (happened to someone I know) - Save your race and dignity and use the toilets if you're not a pro!
I disagree with the hill comment on TT bikes. I can climb a fair bit faster on my road bike than on my TT bike. Overall full ride average speed is higher on my TT/Tri bike but hills are definitely faster on the road bike. (Obviously not 1%, but 6-7% or more, the TT bike is definitely a limiter).
I don’t disagree with you, but his question was for 1%. He still shouldn’t be getting dropped on steeper gradients if he is fitter than the others really. The bike will become the limiter, but shouldn’t result in him being dropped
I have volunteered for the last two Iron mans in Washington and I spend time waiting for my husband at the finish taking the timing chips off of ankles. If you pee in your suit for the love of Christ try and position yourself away from us you do stink and we can smell it. And yes we wear gloves.
This is so nasty. There's no need to do it in anything up to a half ironman, and at that point just take a 30s pee break, it's not gonna be the difference between you and Kona mate. Pee during the swim: fine. Pee during the bike or run without at least going off course to a bush: you are actually disgusting I understand pros doing it because small margins etc, but random mid-pack age groupers pissing all over their bikes and then bringing them into the shop to be cleaned & serviced is why triathlon has such a bad name
I was going to say that I’ve never pee’d during a tri & technically that’s accurate, I normally pee in my wetsuit once I get in the lake before the start! 😂
i pee while swimming all the time, several times in the pool jus before flip turning. Yes, i swam into my own pee & i've done it so often, it doesn't gross me out anymore!
Are you swimming all day or something?? Who but a small child can’t hold their bladder for an hour’s swim? If you have a medical condition, get out for crying out loud. If you must disagree with me, then live your truth and pee on your sofa so you don’t have to pause the TV. Then show off about it on the internet. Disgusting human.
Remember to use #gtncoachescorner to ask your questions!
Regarding the last question on how everyone is passing you on hills and vice verse. I always experience the same. Even hugely 2 days ago on Ironman Barcelona.
I think it’s down to wrong pacing strategy.
I did both loops of the race with only 30 second difference. But many others bonked and have done the second lap slower.
I think most people push too hard uphill and don’t accelerate enough downhill.
Thanks for taking my question about urinating on the bike leg! Good idea about the water bottle for cleaning off. Other advice I heard was to do it on a downhill leg at speed. TH-cam name is my Hawaiian middle name - pronounced Kay- Lee- e- moy- ah - new. And good on you for trying to pronounce it @Mark!
13:43 it’s purely because those boys are smashing it and the P5 rider isn’t. It happens on every group ride and everyone remains adamant they’re “strictly zone 2” while coughing up blood 😂
That was hilarious yet informative.
I too have recently been dealing with an injury and haven’t been able to run for 3 months. Instead, I have been focussed on cycling, swimming, and weights. I have set a goal of taking a number of local Strava KOMs for a mental health goal/focus and have really been enjoying it. I look forward to running again though, hopefully soon!
Thank you for answering my question on race day prep for a late afternoon start. It was really helpful. 😀
Mark is oddly excited in this one :D
I'd tend to be half asleep in morning races :) Evening races are totally fine :)
Yes. On the bike leg, once during a half, and twice during a full. If you don't have to pee, you may be dehydrated. I even pee during the run if needed. Just wash everything afterward. And peeing is common in a wetsuit. Cold water, water pressure, and pressure from the wetsuit can cause peeing. Blood is pushed into the core, and a body needs to get rid of the excess fluid.
Mark - have you actually seen pros pee as a tactic to get someone off their wheel? That's wild!
Yes.
4:09, It's unfortunate that drafting, riding in groups, "sharing the load" has become normalized in non-draft-legal triathlons. Mark's words were said without a second thought.
If you ride legally at 12m you still benefit from the draft. Therefore groups will legally work together to share the load and pull back time/put time in. This is nothing new. The top athletes have done this since day 1 of triathlon. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Large groups at just a few metres apart from one another is a totally different subject - don’t put me in that category, thank you
@@markthrelfall3577 I never hear you guys lobbying for Ironman to change the following distance rule.
@@larrylem3582It’s about racing within the rules.
I think it would be great for GTN to discuss drafting in non-draft legal races, the rules, and what might be done to get everyone to ride their own race instead of riding in drafting groups. T100 min distance is 20 m and they still ride in groups. If you're at the back of a 6 person group, it's stupid that you have to pass all 6 in one swoop rather than one every 5 minutes.
I once ran in a 10k race that was ranked by weight categories in Thailand. I got my first ever trophy and was delighted! I’m a fairly average size in the U.K. but felt a bit of a bloated giant next to most Thais 😂 Still, I’m in it for fun not to win anything
This year at Challenge Roth it was quite cold during the bike leg and I think my kidney / bladder didn't like that. I had to pee after 60 km on the bike. Never had such a problem before and thought I could hold it to transition. I held it untill km 120 and then had to get off the bike because I couldn't let go. Off the bike it took really long and hurt because I held it so long. My power numbers were also a bit lower when I was trying to hold it back. So my advice would be: *always let it go immediately*
After that I had to get off the bike one more time and about 10 to 15 times into the bushes during the run. The fluids from the aid station were just going in and exiting my body, I was really worried I would dehydrate.
The bladder was so done after the race that I had problems making it to the toilet in the hotel. As soon as I felt that I had to go, I really had to push to keep it in - the whole night.
I think it was caused by the cold weather because I was not the only one with that problem but I guess the extensive holding back messed up the "system" completely.
suggestion for beer mile. don't drink from the bottle / can. run with a foldable cup and pour the beer in from a height as it will force the beer to produce a huge gassy top head which contains most of the CO2. you can get ride of the foam and the drink ittself should be easier on the stomach
Haha good idea. The serious beer mile folk won't let you do that sadly 🤣
If you were saying to just use flat beer then fine, but you're actually saying just drink about half the beer
A 1% gradient counts as a climb?? At most that gives me a "huh I guess that's why I was 1kmph less than I expected" in hindsight. I don't even notice a 1% grade in the moment riding. 3% sure, it exists, but definitely doesn't need fully lower gears.
That's totally on the rider, not the bike.
Yes IF you can actually perform the art of peeing during cycling. It’s a mental thing….
🎶🎵"Let it go, let it go..."🎶🎵
That’s gotta be true. I never have to pee on the bike or run. But not sure I could. I love taking a leak on my way into T1 though.
@@mandagrath it can also be related to being dehydrated, most of the fluid you drink will be sweated out.
Do they not have Athena and Clydesdale categories in the UK? I think every race I've done here in Australia, apart from a tiny one (where my age group had just 3 men!) has had those. I've only seen Athenas be 80+, but I've seen Clydesdale sometimes have a 90-99 and 100+ category. Was great for one of my mates whose main sport is rugby union!
Nope, I've been doing triathlon for 20+years and I've never heard of it until this video
If you are peeing on the bike in outdoor races, make sure you don't take the habit indoors with you. Winning on Zwift is not worth it.
Rain or no rain, purely disgusting to pee while biking... what?, pros are doing it? I might understand to pee during the swim (very hard to do), but on your bike? just not sure about this...
On the upside, it means that the toilets in transition are available for the rest of us.
You just "let it go, let it go...🎵🎶":)
@@Aeronwor I dont know what bike you are racing or riding, but mine is somewhat expensive and as long as I dont race for top 3 in Kona and the only way i can podium is to keep going and pee on myself and my bike, I WOULD NEVER DO IT....
@@MrMeowNow nothing that can't be washed.
But do you pee in your wetsuit (nb. divers can do worse)? How is that different, given you then spend most of the remaining part of the swim in a slightly saltier saline soluton? If anything that is more disgusting, just because you spend longer in your own brine.
@@Aeronwor ok, 👌 got it… and now we know you do pee on your bike… good for you.
Heading into T2 at Outlaw half, as things were getting busy, lots of bikes all coming in together since the course gets quite narrow and bumpy towards the end, not great for overtaking - lady in front of me starting peeing aaaaall over the place.
Maybe better to pop into a portaloo during T2 or just find a quieter part of the course?
What I'm hearing from Ivan is that he would like to blame his P5 for poor climbing.
I don't get group rides often; last one I did I stayed with the A group for a good while, dropping them on climbs, being dropped on descents, and being reeled back on flats..so the opposite. Then I bonked because I wasn't fueling well enough.
This is with a bike which weighed at least 6kg more, downtube shifters, aero penalties, and wide tires. Just saying...it ain't your bike which is to blame.
Be aware that urinating can be an offense, worst case leading to disqualification when seen by an official (happened to someone I know) - Save your race and dignity and use the toilets if you're not a pro!
I disagree with the hill comment on TT bikes. I can climb a fair bit faster on my road bike than on my TT bike. Overall full ride average speed is higher on my TT/Tri bike but hills are definitely faster on the road bike. (Obviously not 1%, but 6-7% or more, the TT bike is definitely a limiter).
I don’t disagree with you, but his question was for 1%. He still shouldn’t be getting dropped on steeper gradients if he is fitter than the others really. The bike will become the limiter, but shouldn’t result in him being dropped
Okay, I didn’t catch that he specified on 1% inclines. I agree that shouldn’t be a limiter
Tylko sikobidony!
Peeing all over yourself? In your shoes? WTF. What can't you just stop and do it?
In a trisuite ? That wil cost to mutch time
Urinating at side of the road is a DQ. It's no big deal, just wash stuff out after
The beer mile… wow. Humans are weird.
I give you chess-boxing.
@@AndrewShakespeare😂
Monkey tennis?
I have volunteered for the last two Iron mans in Washington and I spend time waiting for my husband at the finish taking the timing chips off of ankles. If you pee in your suit for the love of Christ try and position yourself away from us you do stink and we can smell it. And yes we wear gloves.
This is so nasty. There's no need to do it in anything up to a half ironman, and at that point just take a 30s pee break, it's not gonna be the difference between you and Kona mate.
Pee during the swim: fine.
Pee during the bike or run without at least going off course to a bush: you are actually disgusting
I understand pros doing it because small margins etc, but random mid-pack age groupers pissing all over their bikes and then bringing them into the shop to be cleaned & serviced is why triathlon has such a bad name
/there are two types of triathletes: Those who pee during any leg of the tri, and those who lie about it.
I was going to say that I’ve never pee’d during a tri & technically that’s accurate, I normally pee in my wetsuit once I get in the lake before the start! 😂
@@JonathanSmith87 in the wetsuit doesn't count. That's perfectly normal behaviour. 😅
@@AndrewShakespeare 😂
😂😂 thanks - favorite reply
When you have to pee ? Just let it go.
No, this should not even be a question. Some ppl are just nasty
prude
Don't pee for 6 hours for a half ironman AND stay properly hydrated.
You need to let it go.
How ridiculous to be talking in serious terms about performance in beer mile.
Surprised that anyone watching this is surprised or put off by peeing on the bike
i pee while swimming all the time, several times in the pool jus before flip turning. Yes, i swam into my own pee & i've done it so often, it doesn't gross me out anymore!
A quick number two is also acceptable as long as it is not solid, I guess 😂
@@inz_uziwell fitting swimwear would contain a more solid stool. 👌
@@lmcdo34115 You can always dump it at the designated flip turn area.
Are you swimming all day or something?? Who but a small child can’t hold their bladder for an hour’s swim? If you have a medical condition, get out for crying out loud.
If you must disagree with me, then live your truth and pee on your sofa so you don’t have to pause the TV. Then show off about it on the internet.
Disgusting human.