Is HE The Strongest Character In Marvel?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.พ. 2025
- There are hundreds upon thousands of characters that are argued to be the strongest, but there can only be one that is truly atop them all, especially in the Marvel universe. The One Above All, commonly referred to as being Stan Lee, is one of the forefathers of Marvel Comics. He is implied to be the top dog, the uncontested omnipotent creator, and the strongest character PERIOD within Marvel itself. However, there are surprisingly large amounts of evidence that can pinpoint another character being the true creator of the Marvel universe, if not the strongest one as well.
Oblivion is the supreme god of non-existence. A being who transcends infinite dimensions and the infinite multiverse itself. Even someone as powerful as Amatsu-Mikaboshi, also known as the Chaos King, is an infinitely small part of him. He answers to no one, not even the Living Tribunal. How is this character potentially the strongest one in all of Marvel? Does he truly stand above even The One Above All? I go over several comic books, Oblivion's history, and The One Above All's nature to decipher Oblivion's true ranking within the Marvel universe!
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Regarding the Marvel Handbook implying Oblivion is just like the other abstracts is outright inconsistent, because Oblivion has never been subject to the Living Tribunal's judgment. He exists on a level beyond the Living Tribunal and it contradicts over a dozen statements that say EVERYTHING, including the abstracts, come from and will go to Oblivion.
On top of that, Living Tribunal himself states he has no face (which could mean he has no judgment, which is the primary function of his faces) in nothingness.
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Chuck can you do a power scale of The Last Dragonborn
looking forward to the next video
Chuck more marvel plz
Who cucked you exactly? Been thinkinh bout it since I subscribed. Was it Seth? Keep up the good work.
Yessss my fav char I've been waiting for this vid
But the strongest guys are those cops that arrested Thanos without breaking a sweat.
David Hoyos What about The Wall? No one can stop him
Those police had injunctions dude
Finally a true intellect
Azathoth solos
don t read marvel comics but i get the joke😂
“Can be deemed to be omnipotent”
>shows pink guy
mfw
Well in terms of the filthyfrankverse, pink guy is at least universal+ while peace lord frank is multiverse+
Hotu thanos he is omnipotent+ fourth wakl breaking 13th dimension
Hotu thanos bruh i was talking about pink guy
Hindu gods have alot of omnipotent beings
Hotu thanos Oblivion, no no i was talking about barnie the dinosaur
The One Above All: God
The one Below all: The Devil
Oblivion: The absence of both
This is the only true comment here.
Oblivion is like the devil but if he's god
@@quidaledingle8821 no because the devil is true evil like satan, mephisto, TOBA, etc. oblivion said his destiny is to wish for nothingness. He’s a neutral villain
@@Da-yd1yl Its basically the sole winner at the end of all things. Its as it says in the comics. "Its so close yet I wont interfere because I dont need to as all things shall come back to me."
So in essence everything that has existed, exists, will exist and never exist is a part of him. As in the term oblivion is just a way we explain it but for him even if the term were to not exist he would still exist.
Absence of God is devil u idiot
I miss my comic collecting days when you could buy comic cards with a characters power stats on the back of it
I FEEL NOTHING no that’s not what he meant
they have a new ratings scale in the 21st century. I love but have issues with both scales
amatsu mikaboshi didnt lose he got what he wanted *DARKNESS*
Exactly. Chaos War hercules didn't even kill him, he just punched Amatsu into a realm of nothingness.
KHIXAR facts
@@justinsarfo829 still sounds badass
@@justinsarfo829 but nothingness is oblivion so does that mean he punched his self into his self?
Who knows the name of the dope beat in the 6:30 of the vid?
The One Above All = The Writers (most imply Stan Lee or Jack Kirby but I will just say the writers)
Oblivion = The Paper (since he is implied to have existed before the Marvel mulitverse)
It is sort of comparable to when you are drawing a picture and you are thinking of an Idea on what to draw and you are looking at the paper and you see absolutely nothing, but then there is a bulb above your head, you have your idea and then you begin to draw and make your idea "come to life" (figuratively speaking). So what I am saying is that nothing will be there before something enormous happen, it does not mean that nothingness has all the power or that it created everything because in reality, all that nothingness did was witness birth.
Overall, I still believe The One Above All is the God of all Marvel creations.
Alexander Marlin I'll agree with this. 👌
dc has the same thing
The writer
The over monitor(the paper)
setsuna tenma Yes exactly
Alexander Marlin Good analysis.
Great thinking
One above all is the writer, eternity the paper and oblivion the bankruptcy
So as long as Marvel keeps going with their ratings TOAA will be above Oblivion
Oblivion might be Disney. Let's just hope they don't mess things up in the Marvel Multiverse slides into that Oblivion
@@MaximTheTyrant Technically oblivion is above TOAA as oblivion represents nothingness before existence before marvel or dc
@@opioidhamster3205 true with represents the real true void in our real worlds and even represent nothingness, loneliness, death, non-existence, darkness
making him the blank which God said when he created earth,heaven,light and darkness
@@opioidhamster3205 true with represents the real true void in our real worlds and even represent nothingness, loneliness, death, non-existence, darkness
making him the blank which God said when he created earth,heaven,light and darkness
he might not be real but he still represent those thing
making us all Oblivion due to loneliness and nothingness
I put Oblivion over TOAA, for one simple fact.
Oblivion represents the blank pages of Marvel comics and TOAA represents Jack Kirby and the other writers.
A Blank page (Oblivion) doesn’t need writers to exist. It’ll (he’’ll) always be there. Whereas the comic book writers needs a blank page tell their stories.
So, without the blank pages (Oblivion) there would be no TOAA to be written/drawn
The One-Above-All also exists outside of the Marvel multiverse in a place called the House of Ideas.
He is in the Omniverse
Have u ever read infinity conflict? One Above All got absorbed, hes omnipotent?
Dami that’s still TOAA lol.
Dami Above All Others is just another name for TOAA
@@TheMasterReaper he is not toaa
Oblivion is the paper comic book is written, and one above all is the writters
Oblivion stated that he can affect the real world too,he is the paper,but also real life void
streza oliviu ya but we view them as
fition and not real because we can affect how and who they are so the we are stronger
@@eternalgod1801 yep
@@eternalgod1801 i mean in the story,the same way as meta-scps do
The writer knows all thing, the paper is just the layout, what’s possible with what’s there. Oblivion is more like the writer
If I rip a comic book in half does that mean I destroyed one of the marvel universe's?
VorteX Clan no, it would just mean you wasted 3$
Leo Fernandez 😂🤣🤣
Yes
Technically TOAA = Author and the Author is an human in our world so
Healthy Grown up humans from our World > TOAA
Omniversal highball
The-One-Above-All was playing to Thanos's ego and pretended to not know of a reality for its own amusement. The-One-Above-All is #1 while Oblivion is #2.
*EDIT as of 9-19-20:*
1) The-One-Above-All,
2) Oblivion,
3) The First Firmament/All New All Different Marvel Now! 2.0 Eternity,
4) Classic Pre-Retcon Beyonder,
5) Pre-Retcon Molecule Man,
6) The Living Tribunal,
7) The Marquis of Death,
8) Infinity and Mistress Death,
9) Life Bringer Galactus,
10) Master Order and Lord Chaos,
Quantum Ranger 99 thanks wasn't very egotistical in that encounter. Idk why toaa would do that.
I'm being honest with you, The-One-Above-All does whatever it wants, because it can. That's why. I still believe that Oblivion is extremely powerful, but still is second in power only to The-One-Above-All.
Quantum Ranger 99 Yeah like when TOAA was talking to Peter Parker
Exactly.
Quantum Ranger 99 The beyonder is the most powerful character since he was not created by TOAA but is from his own universe
I would say there is strong evidence Oblivion is superior to multi-eternity, and by feats even LT, but I would consider TOAA still Omnipotent since the contradiction was only minor, and he is the author avatar, which I would consider Omnipotent as the author can do literally anything in the story. Author avatar rules are touchy but most people would agree author is omnipotent for having complete control of everything in the story (ie could write any power for them self, choose any outcome, know everything about the story etc)
Mind you one important rule to remember is that you can never scale off author avatars, if for example they get in a confrontation for a gag, or something like that, since the author avatars chose to write the outcome that way, and could just as easily make the outcome anything else they chose, it does not scale. So no trying to say Lord of nightmares is omnipotent for beating on the author avatar in a gag for example.
Right but the author can't do everything forever even in the realm of comics.. We all die. When the author ceases all returns to oblivion. The oblivion even the 'omnipotent' author can't control. Doesn't that kind of imply.......................
I mean... Until they wrote a new comic. I think that's not really the same thing conceptually..
I'll gladly slap you on this.
SSJRyu1 master and Legend of Legends why haven't you uploaded anymore?
SSJRyu1
You are wrong, if you want to see true Omnipotent then read Umineko, where the author avatar has just touched the realm of Omnipotence but the Omnipotent being is still Infinitely stronger than the author avatar.
Who would win : infinity or eternity
Answer: Yes
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Answer: yes and no.
Infinite
Eternity
Its stated in marvel comics
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8:55 Or Goku himself breaking the 4th wall in DBS Every time he narrated a Preview.
MVP breaking the 4th wall isnt really that impressive tbh in dc milk man man (superman but a milk man) went into the real world and made everyone drink his milk
that sounds mad gay
vroomy woomy “real world” yea uh that real world is still inside of DC m8 unless they made an actual live action of him doing so which he never. So no he did not go into the real world only something As realistic as a our real world still inside the fictional realm. On the other hand goku literally hopped in the real world and fused with a real human. Now that would be breaking into the real
World and interacting with real people
TOAA has the ultimate power called "retcon"
And what exactly does this power do?
@@optimusprime9082 retcon the power and reality and the comics itself
@@aeenkucher2162 You can't retcon oblivion tho he represents nothingness
The one above all stands ready and Tall until Oblivion Taps his shoulder and says "Take a hike!"
How dare you oblivion . You can destroy our official multiverse by breaking fourth wall
Thats how he is stronger than any fictinal diety he transcends the writers .
@@Medgator nah
@@Zenith_Nulls he doesnt mean the literal character lmao he means the concept itself. oblivion/void is a real concept that exist in the real world and it exist beyond our real world. you as a human exist therefore oblivion does to. its what oblivion represents that make him above toaa. bc at the end of the day doesnt writers also all die in the real world and join oblivion?
Toaa: creates oblivion
Oblivion: i am superior
Logic
Toaa might not of created oblivion because obvlion is nothingness so he was there always and could not be created because nothingness will always be there
@@danieladowell5025 toaa illustartes stan lee and if he created the chatacter than that is proof that he isn't stronger
Sebastian Pasker no that’s Stan lees assumption of what if oblivion would look like in nothingness even the one above all clearly said he “doesn’t know when I’ll die...” therefore oblivion stomps omnipotent being on any level he’s transcends everything
@@jm21zuchiha_81 wrong!
@@jm21zuchiha_81 nothing can beat omnipotence bruh
TOAA and Oblivion are two sides of the same coin, one is the creator and one is the destroyer. Each one exist to give the other a meaning or purpose.
Mr. Nunuisance nah dawg, TOAA exceeds the concept of logic and knowledge and is above the concept of balance. Oblivion is fxcking Eternity’s brother making him universal at best 😂😂 i dont know why Chuck thinks he’s on TOAA’s tier
Th3 Chos5enJuan Were is your proof he is universal?
Mr. Nunuisance when eternity and oblivion fought, they both said to one another that they were equals
I don't think he's a destroyer per say as he could be more like anti-matter. However, I think he's just pure nothingness, not even antimatter or a destroyer. But who knows they need to cover his character more but maybe that wouldn't be a good move for a character like him.
Th3 Chos5enJuan Equals is a vague term when no specifics is mentioned.
I've been putting respect on oblivions name for several months and here I find that you've conveniently made a video on him. This is indeed a bizarre and spooky coincidence, lol.
Oblivion planned it😂😂😂
Oblivion might just be the void that always exist while tooa may have been spontaneously come into existence in oblivion and then created everything. Kinda like “the empty” in supernatural
But still , oblivion is the chaos kings big daddy😏
Chaos king is a fraction of oblivions power
And anihilus.
@Émile Girard they’re just a small fraction of Oblivion he even said it because if he come himself everyone will turn into nothingness making them all non existence
that is why he said that his throne and him who sit was just an illusion made by him because he’s present is enough to destroy the Omniverse
a truly omnipotent being would realistically never show itself nor interact with anyone, cuz since he is omnipotent he is in theory also everything that exists, it would be like talking to yourself in a sense.
Tosco yh therefore oblivion is infinitely beyond omnipotent and anything else that is introduced and powerful
@@jm21zuchiha_81 Being "beyond omnipotent" isnt a thing.
and well that implies only to you fuck heads but not to me it’s just what I believe you ain’t shit saying that
@@BruhTumbleweeds all the concepts comes out of non existence DUMBASS
And he's not a concept
«Can be deemed as being omnipotent»
*shows pink-guy*
I believe Stan Lee is the strongest
rest in peace, marvels strongest
Baki808 Stan lee is TOAA
He's still alive in our hearts
RIP
But hes dead
If TOAA is the writer then Oblivion is the paper
Without Oblivion TOAA has nothing and without TOAA Oblivion is just a blank canvas
Why are so many people saying this?
That's DC's hierarchy not Marvel's. The relationship you are describing is barely connected to what Oblivion has been established as. He is not the paper. He is the anthropomorogic manifestation of the state all living and non living things things are in before being put on the paper. The actual "paper" is completely separate from Oblivion because all of existence started by not existing in him and were transferred to existence once they were created (by TOAA I assume). This is further clarified when he explains that all things will "return" to him, meaning that the existence we see is not part of Oblivion...yet.
Marvel has already explained this. Why is everyone in this comment section using DC cosmology when those are completely different things?
@@L-eye-t Oh ok I mean I'm addicted to League so I usually don't fully comprehend some characters or stories, and kinda just look at these kinds of videos and lazily come up with a conclusion.
I appreciate your comment and I think you're one of the best suited for these kinds of topics.
@@philswiftreligioussect9619 Thanks bud. I just wish more people in the comment section were more aware of what Oblivion actually represents. These theories are ultimately unnecessary when the character is fully explained in the comics.
@@L-eye-t so who would win then toaa or oblivion
If we look that way, That's exactly what Oblivion wants.
Maybe toaa answered thanos in that way cuz his actions will lead to a different future and he wanted that to happen. Basically toying with them.
I still consider Bugs Bunny to be the most powerful fictional character.
Nightmare Trooper vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Bugs_Bunny
Nightmare Trooper nah Popeye punched bluto into the real world
the cosmic king Hit Bluto so hard that he destroyed stellar constellations, although this was done by letting him bounce between different stars, not at once. Lassoed the sun and pulled it up just so morning would come quicker and also blew it out to get private time with Olive Oyl.
Nightmare Trooper Bugs is the shit
Nightmare Trooper Id have to say Jim Carrey's " The Mask" has to br the most powerful character out there even if hes isnt Marvel or DC, He can pull a bugs bunny or the whole looney tunes ideas, and he could fly if he wanted, he can take on oyher forms, his body is multi dimensional, when someone hits or shoots him, he takes that pain to another fictional reality and leave it behind, feeling invincible and funny
Db fanboys be like:
"Xeno Goku oneshots"
"Beerus Hakais"
"Zeno can erase him"
Shadow Gamer Dc fanboys be like
"Oh yeah well sUpERmAn iS omnipotent
Santana tards be like he can one shot everyone
Shadow Gamer " manga goku would win because he know how to do the hakai and that erases LITERALLY EVERYTHING." Im a db fan myself but even I know my limits
Calvin Jones did you not see my speech marks? I know I'm pretending do be those people who think dbs is the strongest character in fiction.
Calvin Jones read my comment properly before you comment back lol
remember when apocalypse used to say: "foolish insects know Oblivion".
Think of it this way: TOAA represents the writers and Oblivion represents the Marvel company as a whole
9:12 pretty sure toaa representing Stan lee is just a rumor/myth or head canon made by readers based on non existent implications. I tried finding a source but it seems like it just doesn’t exist. So I think he’s just supposed to represent jack kirby
1. Oblivion - Strongest, unbound embodimemt of nonexistence, everything will return to oblivion
2. PRE RETCON Beyonder, exists outside time and space and embodies a realm beyond the Marvelverse, stated to transcemd dimensioms and everything is fiction to him. Reality is one with his imagination
3. TOAA - creator of the marvelverse
4. Beyonders - exist outside reality but not fully tramscendent of the multiverse, stated to be affected by a higher dimensional form of time
1.TOAA 2.oblivion 3.pre retcon beyonder
My list is this
1. True from toaa
2. Oblivion
3. Toba and fulcrum
4. Black winter and Beyonders
5. Living tribunal
6. The true form cosmic beings
7. The avatar cosmic beings
8. Celestials
9. Skyfathers and thor and galactus
10. Mutants that can reality warp
11.Eternals and the deviants
12. Mutants
In my head pre retcon Beyonder is still canon
Nice info, but and I mean BUT Oblivion is still susceptible to the all mighty Retcon. Any ability Oblivion is, was or could be is all decided by the current writer, regardless of what higher dimensional power he claims to have. Jack Kirby though, you can't retcon. Jack Kirby is and will always be the father/creator of many Marvel heroes. If Jack Kirby himself demanded it, Oblivion would be well oblivion. The fact that the fantasic four met Jack Kirby just means that anything and everything in the Marvel Multiverse is created and decided by Jack Kirby. gg no re Chuck
Steven Alvarez true
Wholeheartedly agree, he's only as powerful as any given writer wants him to be, they could make wolverine a celestial and beat up galactus if they wanted, perfect example of over powered for no reason aside from plot armour is marquis of death, there's a fine line between fantasy and sci fi.
I totally agree with manta. Oblivion is not a character or even a component of our reality. Oblivion is an abstract idea representing the absence of everything. We cannot comprehend the absence of everything, so Oblivion is beyond our reality. The writers (TOAA) can delete the character Oblivion, but not the idea that it embodies. Oblivion may not be the most powerful character in the Marvel universe, but it is eternal since it represents something outside of the Marvel universe.
The most powerful force in Marvel is the writers
Just want to know the truth tho
Talk about being omnipotent
Shows pink guy 😂😂👌
alex johnson Infinite chromosomes man
Pink Guy has been confirmed to be able to defeat evil dave who's powerful enough to destroy the enitre megaverse with he's pinky finger!
I thought everyone knew that pink controls all, every bit of your money and living habits. It's also my favorite color, not just the song....
Where the hell did Oblivion stated that he's the one who created everything? That panel of him saying everything and everyone in it are his creation, do you know what "IT" refer to? it refer to oblivion's realm, not marvel multiverse, just read the sentence from the start, it starts with "This realm....".
The very comics that you showed in your video states that Oblivion is limited he can't enter the marvel multiverse that's why he used Amatsu Mikaboshi the chaos king and failed.
And existing before existence itself doesn't make him the creator of existence unless stated which is not, and definitely doesn't make him more powerful than TOAA, Infinity Being (aka Nemesis) existed before existence, yet it's not more powerful than TOAA.
And breaking the forth wall doesn't mean shit, Deadpool did it, She-Hulk did it, Gwen did it, it doesn't make them trans-dimensional infinite beings
TOAA is the most powerful being in Marvel because he represent the writers, embodiment of real beings from our world who create the comics, Oblivion is a mere character inside the comics representing the one side of the duality of existence/non-existence that TOAA created.
By gwen doing it, do you mean what if gwen survived house of m story where she beat reality warping?
Yeah but Oblivion represent death and nothing, and everyone dies, and when that when a writer dies, is like a one above all is defeated by oblivinon
Edit: forget it, I just realized that this is wank, Oblivion is strong but not that strong
@@brunobrx3599 but the toaa never dies so he can nvr be defeated by oblivion
@@brunobrx3599 i even remember the cancer verse where the heroes defeated death and couldnt die. I think oblivion is just the multiversal being of death and if one if him can be defeated, he is not omnipotent
@@Faust4541 what i saying is that Oblivion represents nothing and TOAA represents the writers, not the real TOAA, but the writer representing him
Oblivion>The one above all? I thought oblivion is an aspect of toaa
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@@DiogenesOfMashadare you high?
No he is less then then one above all if not then equal but not above the toaa represent everything thing oblivion represents nothing so neither of them have power over each other so they are most likely equals or oblivion is less
@@matildevasquez288 toaa , comes out of the nothingness. He ideas emerged out of nothingness. Nothingness is the main source of everything.
NOPE. That logic is ignorantical TOAA is omnipotent omnipresence omniscient he knows hes the writer hes not like Presence Hea True Tier 0 infinitive characters hes like Writer from DC but Writer is not a character that makes TOAA strongest fictional thing ever existed.
If Brie Larson is asked this question: Who is the strongest marvel character? It's simple Captain Marvel lol
Oh YeaH SurE ShE CouLd LiFt An EnTiRe GalAxieS WitH OnE HanD.
Brie Larson is an actress, not a director or writer.
@@Ponera-Sama you obviously have not met Brie Larsons ego! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hmm, I don't know, man. I'd have to go research this myself to see your argument, Chuck. Regardless, cool video, man. Something to think about. Thanks.
Vigil: I’m in everyone’s blind spot.
Vigil is in beyond the one above and oblivion he literally can’t be saw by anything.
4 ads on a 12 minute video? Clearly The One Above All didn't see that one coming
Marvel Comics should make a story where Everyone in Marvel Finds out that The One Above all has died. So Oblivion decides to take over and the all the Marvel Characters gather to stop him. Then since Dr. Doom is known for stealing Peoples Power he decides to take the One Above All’s Power and defeat Oblivion. So then, Since The One Above all is said to be Stan Lee, Stan Lee gives a Speech to dr doom about how he wrote Marvel and that Stan Lee shows that Dr Doom was written to be the true ruler and Stan trusts Dr Doom to run the Universe now. Since there was a story where Dr dooms Motivation for wanting to take over everything is because he saw a bunch of Futures and the only ones that didn’t end in suffering is when he Ruled. So Stan would give Doom his power as ruler and give him the last “excelsior”.
Oooh man. I'm crying😢😢😢 I hope this hits a million likes.🙏🙏🙏 For STAN LEE...❤
"Before Creation comes Oblivion."
But even Oblivion is a form of creation.
Absol StoryofFiction I was using that line Beerus is always saying: "Before creation comes destruction!"
It was a joke
I humor the idea that "darkness and light mingle together" when really... Even that will all one day fade into nothing. A God's greatest fear is to never exist in the first place, and those who exist without existence know it all too well.
It is interesting to dissect world building at that level. Similarly to "What came before God?"
(Joke or not. It is a good thinking question.)
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 no it's not
@@haroldreginald970
In fictional stories like Marvel... The writer sets up the rules.
In reality... Nothing is absolute.
Chuck can I be honest with you are one of the most legendary TH-camrs ever
The living tribunal stated that there is no being above him except the TOAA...
Kaito Nova Prime then the beyonders......
@@saheterabakutisha1476 but they exist in the beyonder realm technically outside the main marvel multiverse
Kaito Nova Prime True but I think the one above all still created them. The beyondverse should just be another pocket dimension in the MU.
@@saheterabakutisha1476 true true good point kinda like the 5th Dimension for imps in DC
@@primexample8912 technically they exist in the marvel multiverse. Since true from toaa is the writer and the writer introduced the beyonders they are part of the marvel multiverse
Man talks about oblivion, but Dosen't mention the fact that chaos king is an off-shoot of Oblivion.
Oblivion is the blank sheet of the paper where the One Above All draws and writes his stories.
I came to this conclusion years ago myself. Oblivion is darkness that presses in on all sides of the universe. Like how gravity tries to destroy a star. He was the in there beginning and he will be there long after the end.
everything exists inside of oblivion
not universe, omniverse
One above all and Oblivion are like Yin & Yang, nether really more powerful than another, both forever consuming each other.
"One Above All" represents the existence of each and every writer that has ever been in marvel, that is, or that ever will be. He represents their existence and all the power that they wield over the marvel multiverse. He represents the creative power that went into each and every ability, entity, and thing that has or ever will exist in any of the marvel multiverses. Without the existence of writers there could be no creation there could be no concept. One Above All IS the writers existence and anything and everything they do. So that means he represents the existence and creative power of John Marc DeMatteis and Alan Kupperburg who created the character "Oblivion". Since they existed before marvel and they created oblivion that also means by direct effect "One Above All" who represents every writer came before oblivion and created oblivion and can destroy oblivion. "One Above All" is the embodiment of each and every writer which makes him by default stronger than anything in marvel and also means he predated everything in marvel and will always exists as the supreme power period. I also found a fairly good concept that follows logic and rational which shows where oblivion fits into the power scale. This next bit is copy and pasted from a forum post I found on Fandom and was created by "Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot" so all credit goes to him for this next bit.
As I said before, if we are trying to line up multiple arcs as
neatly as possible, this would probably be the best way to go about it.
Abstracts' M-Bodies < Multi-Abstracts in their entirety =
Chaos King < Oblivion, strongest of the Abstracts (transcends the
others yet still has his own abstract chronal dimension) < The Living
Tribunal, combination of all Abstracts and embodiment of all there is
in the Marvel multiverse, including its lack of substance (Oblivion)
< Beyonders (Come from outside the Marvel multiverse, able to destroy
the Tribunal and all it embodies, but also have their own chronal
dimension on a higher plane)
My reasons for this can be read in the latest reply chain on the blog.
I feel this not only unifies things the best and takes multiple
arcs and issues into consideration, but also solves the problem of the
Beyonders killing TLT while not transcending time/having their own time
by which they are bound.
Of course, them dying to a Multiversal explosion is written off
as obvious PIS, as the writers desperately needed a way to kill them.
To destroy this argument, u need to read Infinity Conflict first, then u see how Thanos beat One Above All. Your theory doesnt make any sense. Here my theory
Oblivion is represent nothingness
Nothing can beat omnipotent or One Above All, therefore nothing win, therefore Oblivion win
WK AMV's Thanos didn’t necessarily beat the one above all. Remember the one above all represents the writers. Thanos with the infinity gauntlet still loses in fights. The thing is, it’s assumed that the one above all is most powerful in marvel but oblivion is a different case. When oblivion talks about how all creation returns to him and that he is the nothingness from which everything came he is referring to his realm. Remember the beyonders come from out side the marvel multiverse so they were able to kill the embodiment of the living tribunal and other abstracts because they exist in a higher plane of existence. Oblivion exists above the living tribunal and all other abstracts that’s why Mikaboshi was able to almost destroy the entire multiverse cause he had a small fraction of oblivion’s power and oblivion exists outside the marvel multiverse.
@@mainemiswari6029 thanos beat a avatar of the toaa. The real toaa is the writers. The writers can't fit into the marvel multiverse. The toaa technically killed himself since he writes the story. Maybe he was going through some suicidal stages or some shit like that. But yea thanos killed a avatar of toaa
@@Zaacdrums wew its been 7 months and now im nearly fully understand(not yet finish Ultimates). You're right. I Think One Above Others is just an avatar while The real TOAA is The One Above All. Its represent all the authors.
The Ultimates 2 issue #100
I am the One Above All.
I see through many eyes.
I build with many hands.
They are themselves, but they are also me.
I am all-powerful.
My only weapon is love.
The mystery intrigues me.
CAPPPPPPP oblivion>toaa>tlt>chaos king>multieternity
I guess oblivion makes sense since he's the end all be all being that will be around when the multiverse goes but idk since The One Above All is supposed to be creation I would say the top of the top being in marvel would oblivion,TOAA,and the Beyonders(ivory kings).
TOAA = Owner
Living Tribunal = Head-Administrator
Eternity = Normal Administrator
Beyonder = Pro-Hacker
Oblivion = The workspace before the game was created
Finally, someone who understands.
When you think about it, the Chaos King wiped out 99% percent of all marvel universes, but it has been stated multiple times that there is an infinite amount marvel universes, so the Chaos King wiped out 99% of infinity.
So you're telling me that when One Above All saved the fantastic four from certain death by literally drawing them to a different place, it's weak shit??
Goofy Libra he hasn’t read enough he’s a Wikipedia scholar and literally is dumb.
@@davidb8831 Well, I wouldn't go that far
My headcanon is that Oblivion is TOAA's counterpart. They're both aspects of the same omnipotent deity.
THE ONE BELOW ALL is TOAA’s counterpart
another thing is omnipotent beings are still bounded by the writers who write them
So Oblivion And Cosmic Armor Superman Just chilling above their Multiverses, pretty cool imo
Yep.
1. TOAA
2. Oblivion
3. Marquis of Death and The Chaos King ( Amatsu Mikaboshi )
4. The Beyonders and The Molecule Man/Owen Reece
5. The Living Tribunal
6. Eternity
7. Infinity, Death
8. Captain Universe
9. Franklin Richards
10. Galactus
Actually make #3 The Pre Retcon Beyonder
Phi Duyanh so where did you put calestial??
No fictional character can be above the author. It is a fallacy to assume a fictional character is beyond TOAA. I get your points but this is just incorrect.
I guess lord english from homestuck is just a walking made up fallacy then
read this comment Lord English doesn't exist. The author does. Author>>>>Lord English. Idc what you say. Without the author Lord English ceases to exist. Even if the author tries to make it so this Lord English is above him it really isn't the case. "Death of the author" look it up.
Death of the author has literally nothing to do with this. Author avatar doesnt mean shit in a fictional debate. Mandraak is an editor level being and he is not omnipotent. Animdude is a representation of stan lee and he is not omnipotent. Annoying dog from undertale is an author avatar and not omnipotent. and the one above all is not omnipotent just because he is was shown as an author one time. saying that they are omnipotent because they are the author is a fallacy of appealing real life to fiction. There are characters who canonically exist beyond the real world.
In fictional debates you have to go by what is cannon, not a real life perspective. Otherwise by your logic every single fictional character would be cannonically two dimensional since that is what we see them as. and the one above all as a result would only be average human level. Also mcu characters would solo dragon ball since dbz characters are only two dimensional whilst mcu characters are 3D since they are performed by actors. Real people > fiction. And by your logic nobody in fiction would be omnipotent since people in the real world can kill them
An author views their verse as a plain. Meaning they are a higher dimension. If the author of naruto for example made an author avatar of themselves and that avatar viewed naruto as fiction, it would only be a 4D feat as a 4D being views 3D as fiction.
Lord english was constantly shown to be superior to andrew hussie in homestuck. he even went to a plain beyond his existance.
read this comment I'mma have to hit you with facts. I'm arguing author not author avatar. TOAA is the author avatar yes but he is proven to be absolutely omnipotent. An author can make up as much mumbo jumbo as he wants without the author putting any being on the page the being never existed. If your actually implying fiction is greater than us ,the real world, off yourself.
He is proven omnipotent through his statements and showings. Not through being an author avatar. In a fictional debate it can be cannonically above us. Of course actual fiction doesnt exist beyond us. But it can cannonically. Which is why actual real life should not be used in a fictional debate
5:16 DEATH OF THE ENDLESS(DC COMICS) said the same thing but she is still below The Presence.
DC's The Presence is shit, because he got defeated by Empty Hand. Go to Webcam Parrots channel and look for Mordru video.
@@mr.knightthedetective7435
Isn't the Empty Hand the readers?
Mr.Knight The Detective the empty hand is a presence manifestation
one above all is abpve all creation
but oblivion is outside of all creation so it doesnt mean he is stronger
@@jm21zuchiha_81 So uncivilized.
and what? Did I even comment here I just seen this now lol
TOAA knows hes the writer (Stan Lee) hes True TİER 0 character True omniscient omnipotent omnipresence. Oblivion's aspect Mikaboshi didn't even slay The Multiverse his full power would not even compared with TOAA's. TOAA is holy being stop pushing freakin Eternity's brother Oblivion.
@@imbouttashowyoumycaillou-k541 Oblivion is werid none of the less how ever what you describe was Mikaboshi or the Chaos King which is only an aspect of Oblivion. And Chuck has showed why The One Above All seems doubtful hell even i have that comic infinity. At im pretty sure Eternity doesn't have a brother as Oblivion lives outside of creation
Didn't you know that TOAA got retconned? He's no longet omnipotent
I no people probably going to hate on me but I think true form zarathos and angle riders are the strongest in marvel it’s literally stated that. The angle riders powers are infinite and true form zarathos can destroy all of existence
Well you know destroying all of existence is what Oblivion wants because he is what will remain once everything is gone
Bro,TOAA is every Marvel writer,reader, editor and who worked in Marvel. And Oblivion=Blank Page. That means TOAA would crack Oblivion effortlessly.
TOAA is just the representation of the writers and readers, not the literal ones. I do agree TOAA beats Oblivion though
Thanks for making this! I've always felt that TOAA is overrated and a big part of his respect comes more from his name rather than any feats. I think the Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the most powerful fictional character ever created, because he was everything that existed outside the marvel multiverse and was surprised to find out that there was something in existence that was not a part of him. And a single blast from him was once described as being millions of times more powerful than the marvel multiverse.
I agree
Well TOAA is still omnipotent but I'm not complaining because beyonder is my favorite character if all time
@@thepricegamer9353 TOAA admitted he's only omnipotent in a well functioning system within the multiverse.
@@thepricegamer9353 lmaoo no he is not and beyonder is weak asf
@@omez23 if you think beyonder to be the “most powerful fictional characher ever” you really need to start reading more books.
TOAA equals the pencil
Oblivion equals the paper
*WHY AM I GEARIN THE EXORCIST TUNE THO????!!!!???*
This Oblivion sounds a little like one of the Endless from DC, or even similar to Lucifer who is basically second to his father The Presence. I mean Marvel themselves would have to outright state that Oblivion is the top dog, for it to be such. Also reminds me of the confusion people have in DC with The Presence, The Voice, The Hand, The Monitor(s) etc.
I'm team oblivion becoz TOAA controls creation but oblivion existed before creation so it's pretty clear who's stronger.
In terms of tiering, he's on par with the living tribunal as a 1A outerversal being but does not answer to the LT. He's Beyond eternity / infinity Etc. Exists outside of the multiverse SpaceTime continuum. Didn't watch the video but he is Marvel's version of pralaya. Also 1A. Both existed before the presence/ monitor mind/ Toaa and he'll be what's left when there's nothing left. He will effectively be the nothing. Wrap your head around that one LOL
He's no where near Tribunal or Eternity
@@theone5274 he is
oblivion=overvoid>marvel
TOAA represents the writer and he actually is omnipotent
Say that to the Astral regulator
@@wasimfarooq I don’t think that story is canon whatsoever. If it is, then I think it was part of TOAAs plan as he is the writer of the comic. This plan would be to make a story, but he’d ultimately have the power to stop or reverse it at any time.
Oblivion is like the nothingness before the writers had an idea to write ✍️ dwelled in the void before the idea of the one above came into thought
Oblivion has always been the strongest and most underused in the cosmic pantheon
Wrong. The Marquis of Death far surpasses them.
Me coming back here after dealing with Oblivion downplayers
Same bro,same
Marvel was created by a white man born in 1922. I'm pretty sure the most powerful character in his story will look similar to him, so we can just leave it at "the one above all". Ijs
You could just say by a man , you are racist,
But not really that man also made beings that represent ideas in our world called abstracts and even that man was falls victim to death in our world and oblivion is the nothing between death and rebirth , the nothing before the multiverse the nothing that will be after creation dies oblivion can't die there is no killing him unless you are pre retcon Beyonder who can basically just stop these ideas
STOP DOING DRUGS.
REPENT John 3:16.
Captain Jesus
END OF LINE
?Im Christian and get it.But your not explain the gospel right,your giving away brad explanations.And your doing it on a video that has nothing to do with it.
Lol presence isn’t top dog in dc Constantine made him shit himself after Constantine threatened to kill him and presence was like oh shit he’s gonna kill me and Constantine ain’t even that broken he’s like top 10 in dc verse Lucifer and Michael both fucking stomp presence as well he’s scared shitless of them
Totally respect this analysis.
(1) But what about this: Oblivion may have existed before there was anything to speak of; which is virtually, paradoxically omnipotent in itself; but isn't it far more impressive that a being should then defy; nay; overpower the very essence of Oblivion by creating anything, within, and against the very nature of Oblivion (if such a creator exists in the Marvel Universe)?
(2) And in that panel where one of the abstracts is negotiating with Oblivion for Oblivion's help with this Universe altering problem which would affect Oblivion leading to his subjugation, in one respect already de-powers Oblivion as the Omnipotent being in any conceivable or inconceivable way.
(3) Also, if there are these Abstracts (including Oblivion) which essentially hold the bounds of all things together by mutual agreement, then doesn't it stand that there should be, still, a single, greater power, whether sentient or otherwise which forces these beings to respect each's power over the other; making any one Abstract incapable of usurping all power from the others?
I'm suggesting that the nature of all things, is such that all things still must return from the One from which they came, and that a Universe, no matter how abstractly designed in fiction or otherwise, can not function or have come into existence under the collective effort of multiple omnipotent beings with separate wills, but must have been derived from One source. So that, Oblivion couldn't be the most powerful sentient or non sentient being in the Marvel Universe, by nature of his name, definition and function alone.
Technically he's not the creator of the Multiverse, but what is was before it was created. Oblivion.
1-Obvilion
2-TOAA
3-First Firmament
4-The beyonder
5-Living tribunal
Wow, you just mixed the One-Above-All of the Celestials with the true One-Above-All
So his info is wrong thx for telling👌🏾
Hey chuck can you give a list of anime VILLAINS that can beat Thanos with the infinity gauntlet??? Please sir
hasaan rodriguez not very many off the top of my head. Hell , there is only a handful of CHARACTERS in general that can do this. No villian has really ever shown a feat comparable to IG thanos . Unless I'm missing something.
Zedmilleniunmon: bye thanls
Dr doom can whoop Thanos
Shining Diamond maybe god doom with the power of the beyonders. Plus doom is not an anime villian.
hasaan rodriguez hmm technically the infinity gauntlet doesn't work outside its own universe but even so I'll say. Anti-spiral. Tori-bot. Pretty much any gag character if the writer wants them to. Maybe death note
Adam and thanos never talked to TOAA, they only talked to an avatar
A small portion of his power almost soloed the verse so yeah also chaos king wasn’t defeated He only stopped Killing everyone because he got what he wanted
What about the First Firmament?
The one above all
Solrac
The One Above Balls is even greater.
Solrac watch the video....
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pc gamerz I'm going to
Ultra Yee
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1. Chaos king isn't anywhere near living tribunal.
2. Oblivion feeds on nothing ness or represents it?
3. one above all represents the writer of a comic. Meaning they make the original story but fan's, editers, future comics all can change the story.
Kristian Kember
oblivion represents nothingness itself.
but wouldn't that mean as things get added to nothingness his power decrease? Just a thought. It would make him above tribunal but not omnipotant
what chuck doesn’t get is, Oblivion is an abstract being. LT is above that, it says on the guidebook the defines who LT is. LT is literally a 16D while Oblivion is just universal
Th3 Chos5enJuan stop spreading your misinformation dude wth... if you have actual facts post some links or scans or take that bs elsewhere
You're lying and even worse a stupid liar. If oblivion use a single drop of his power to create a being so powerful it almost completely destroyed marvel (infinite OMNIVERSES which are above multiverses which is above a universe) then how the fuck would oblivion only be universal? None of the abstracts are universal they are all multiversal and some a bit above that they literally have one piece of themselves in an infinite amount of infinite realities yet those pieces are still top tier in the universes they are in.
Excellent video and well explained
Well, Oblivion certainly is winning at the moment. TOAA has been failing pretty hard at keeping the Marvelverse from sucking, while Oblivion is proving gloriously successful at dragging the place to an inevitable collapse.
Yes...Until they make a new character whose stronger then him next year.
I would still place OBLIVION BELOW BEYONDER BUT ABOVE THE LIVING TRIBUNAL.
DEATH HUNTER well why? I'm respecting your opinion but why?
@@hongzhong449 F E A T S
Oblivian=The Creator
TOAA=The Author
No. Oblivion would actually be the canvas whereas TOAA would be the illustrator (and author).
he isnt. TOAA is just fiction for oblivion.
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What if Oblivion is just a foil to the one above all, seeing as that is a big theme in marvel comics, like lord chaos and the order one(can't remember the name) so it really isn't too strange to think that he is his polar opposite. TOAA is what created the universe and the sentient races, and Oblivion passively created the aspects after a couple universes go through.
One of my favorite characters of all time.
I believe the strongest in marvel is oblivion
How? Even living tribunal is supposed to stomp him.
Razer obviously one above all is strongest
@@memlord2094 if Oblivion is the empty pages then he is infinitely stronger than the writer because the writer cannot write a story if there are no pages. In that case Oblivion would be stronger than the one above all.
Kyle Lindgren did you read my first comment
@@Razer5542 "supposed to" but I'll really stomp the Tribunal
Every time you say “abstracts” I keep hearing Ass Cracks
Oblivion is powerful. He also creates very powerful avatars like maelstrom and chaos king
Forgot Deathurge
1:16 peep that ddg cover👏🏾 great vid btw