KDE is definitely ahead in a lot of areas like VRR and HDR support. Until recently Gnome didn't have VRR support. That's why I picked it and I personally prefer it over Gnome.
I accidentally installed GNOME Fedora on my PC. I actually planning to use Fedora KDE. But when I start to use it, my multi tasking become 10x to 20x better and comfortable. I can easily switch to multiple Desktop to do various stuff, like Programming, Reading Documentation, using AI chat bots, messaging on social media, even listening to TH-cam Playlist simultaneously. We have also multiple Desktop on KDE. But you can just hold Super and pag up page down or scroll wheel on the mouse to change desktops.
GNOME is basically missing basic desktop functions for me without making several changes with dconf and extensions and they seem to continuously break every release and I have to find some way to fix the complete dealbreakers in a desktop. Its so annoying because, when I do get it finally working perfectly, its great, then 6 months later is all messed up again. KDE just keeps working, always works, and has all the basic functionality built in that any desktop should have.
I felt that... I use GNOME as well, but having extensions, gsettings and Nautilus settings radically change every 6 months is so incredibly frustrating.
and unironically kde is better at theming gtk apps then gnome is lol. I don't i am the only one who had gnome apps not even following light/dark theme (let's not even talk about actual themes. gtk theming is a css mess lol)
Ironically, in the couple months I mained Pop!_OS Gnome I have done more tinkering with my environment than I have in the ~3y of using Sway on Arch. Mainly due to extensions and out of data software.
@@no_name4796 Well, customization isn't really a selling point for me. Most GNOME users don't care about theming enough and like the UI as is. I want to spend less time tinkering and more time getting stuff done on my machine. I just wish for a more stable UI toolkit that builds upon itself instead of radically changing everything.
It's great to have choice. KDE was too convoluted & many options for me. I decided on GNOME 5 years ago and stuck with it. I don't want to rice my system, I just want to use it and I don't care about loads of options that I won't use, that's why I like GNOME, it does all I need without any fussing. Furthermore, I get you can quite likely use KDE simply, but I just didn't take to it.
KDE is my jam! I love customising things and found Gnome to be kinda dull and lifeless until you start adding extentions but even then it just didn't feel as intuitive. With KDE I felt like I immediately knew how to use it. Also have XFCE on my laptop.
I prefer Gnome for my laptop, partly because it has a touchscreen. KDE i prefer for my desktop. So. Having them at parity would be amazing, though a minor thing overall.
@@asbjo same using a ThinkPad X1 with it pretty cool. Only the autorotation stopped working and had to workaround it. Thought using Fedora was gonna be all features in but it has its caveats. Moving from arch for it though cuz reliability can't have packages break on it.
Same here. KDE rules the desktop. Gnome (and they're awesome gestures) the my laptop. My preference (after customizing to my liking) is KDE though. It's just so polished once you spend some (alot) time getting it to what you want.
Gnome feels so close to being perfect, it's very streamlined, but it's also just horrible for customizing and theming. Sure there's plugins, but they tend to be jank workarounds that break on a regular basis. Meanwhile KDE tends to just break more in general from my experiences, but is much more feature complete. Their default settings are far from sane, but they're leagues better than Windows at least. Im riding on Cosmic being the middle ground that is missing from the DE space. Sure Cinnamon exists, but it lacks Wayland support.
There is also Cinnamon and Mate which are alternative versions of Gnome but with the more traditional Windows 7 style appearance. Much easier for new users coming over to Linux from Windows to get along with.
@@nezunskyfire292 I don't use Wayland although Cinnamon,Gnome and KDE do have this option at login. The reason is I find that some of the web cam and screen recording software doesn't work in Wayland. It only works on X11. Other users have found the same thing which is why Wayland is not ready for full time use yet.
@@nezunskyfire292 I don't use Wayland even though there is an option at login Well there is with Cinnamon, Gnome and KDE desktops. The reason is that the video software and screen recorders don't work on Wayland. They only work on X11.
I have tried both GNOME and KDE but I keep coming back to my bspwm. It just feels the easiest and most intuitive to use for me personally. But, if I had to choose between them I'd pick KDE only because it feels the smoother than GNOME on my potato PC. Even though I prefer GNOME's out-of-the-box experience more.
So KDE needs to be like Gnome until it can't afford to be like Gnome. Meaning that features should be defaulted but allow the curious to expand their exposure without making it hard or impossible. Like a level setting.
KDE for me feels like the only fully featured DE on Linux, it gives you control over almost everything on your computer with standardised UI elements and Gnome doesn't cut it for my workflow even with extensions. I don't really use integrations though, I need an Office 365 sub for work related reasons but I just use a rclone script to mount the included Onedrive cloud on startup and that's it. I will say Plasma designers could use some lessons on interface consistency and design - there's way too many unnecessary horizontal and vertical lines everywhere some of which even theming can't get rid of.
GNOME has always been more stable for me than KDE, and I prefer the appearance of GNOME. I hope Fedora promoting KDE makes the DE more stable. Which Fedora's KDE DE is the only desktop environment that has never completely frozen on me.
I like KDE Plasma, the issue however is Wayland has been iffy on it but this has improved recently. Also, KDE Plasma is straight up garbage on LTS distros. KDE update a lot and they fix a lot of things, but LTS users (Mint users, Kubuntu "It works so I use it" users, etc) do not see these updates I think until way later unless I am mistaken. This gives KDE Plasma kind of a bad rep. It broke CONSTANTLY on this same machine I am on right now when I was using Nobara with it and also was a laggy mess on openSUSE Tumbleweed. But now I am on Arch (btw) and it's smooth as silk, barely crashes and when it does it's not consistent enough to be an issue. I deduced very quickly that aside from Tumbleweed, this was a LTS issue and it just added onto my hatred of LTS, personally. Like most of my issues with Linux turned out to be because of the slow release schedule of these distros.
Linux mint supports KDE now? When did they start doing that?!? (I am sarcastic here, mint does NOT support KDE plasma) You DO understand that it is the distribution that have to support the DE, not the other way around right?
I used KDE Plasma for a long while, but recently I moved to gnome, cause I do appreciate the simplicity of it. KDE has a lot of features that i don't use and will never use, but the things that I personally think lack in gnome, I can easily add. Both are really good and I'd love to see them both progress and be seen as equal, just for different people.
I feel like this video doesn't really talk about the Fedora KDE as much as it's just being another KDE vs GNOME video. I didn't like how the title and thumbnail focused on _Fedora_ KDE but the actual video didn't feel like it delivered on that.
I actually very rarely use the desktop at work, since most of my time is spent on the command line and I've slowly just moved to neovim for code editing and IDE. So, I don't actually look for customizations and other tweaks on my personal workstation that has a desktop environment. Basically, I'm probably someone who wouldn't mind the Gnome workflow and definitely doesn't need all the customizations that kde offers, but I've been happily using kde for more than half a decade now and have no plans to switch. I switched over from xfce around 2018 or so. Fedora's KDE spin is nearly perfect
I started Linux on Unity. And when Ubuntu dropped it for Gnome wasn't a great difference. Two years ago then I tried Plasma, and it is fantastic, although I still make it look like Unity :) with the left-side application-bar, the top menu and the global menu as well.
I'm in a similar boat. I started on Gnome 2, and initially hated the current to Unity, but soon came to jive with it. Ever since canonical trashed it, I've been re-creating the look and feel on other DEs. Like you have experienced, Plasma can get you about 95% the way there, I haven't found another DE that lets me get that close.
I went straight to gnome on fedora 36 and felt is was such a breeze and breathe of fresh air. Coming from Win10 and never too a second though at KDE since I always like the layoutof Mac OS but never wants the bugginess of the OS and the proprietariness of it and the lack basic features that even windows comes with like a window manager. I have since tried KDE on more than one occasion but have found myself just trying to get it to look like gnome but it never works
@@hjf3022 Yeah, I read about some hate towards Unity then. I started with Ubuntu 11.04 that introduced Unity. So I didn't really knew Gnome 2. Do you also set the window buttons to the left, like on unity? For the global menu I love the plasmoid "Application Title Bar". I just love it to be able to blindly close any window in focus, just by clicking the top-left corner :)
@@thisday77 it sounds like we have converged on the same idea. Global menu, window buttons on left and the title bar plugin, with the individual application's window title bar hidden when it's full screened to save that bit extra vertical space.
I know this is a very subjective thing but I don’t find KDE looks all that great. I don’t wanna say ugly but….its kinda ugly. All respect to those that contribute to it tho.
I think that will always be a matter of opinion and highly subjective. Some may say it is ugly, some like it. The same can be said about Gnome. Regardless of how much you may like it, someone somewhere out there, doesn't. I don't think that will change. I do think that a desktop environment should offer a default look that the majority can be productive with, then offer the capability for each user to tailor it as they want. I think Gnome forces this on people, by requiring unsupported extensions, and Plasma encourages it by supporting themes and plasmoids. The default will never make everyone happy so then it comes down to how easy it is for someone to take the default and tailor it to their particular workflow.
One of the main issues of GNOME is... Users. Nothing is "the way desktop should work" like "How to make a desktop guidelines" was something written in stone and cannot be changed or rethinked.
Cannonical could offer an official version of Ubuntu with KDE. Nothing against Fedora, but just like Gnome and Mate, Cannonical puts a certain amount of care into making DE the face of the operating system.
why so? fedora does not ship with custom theming or tweaks in either gnome or kde. It is a very stock and vanilla experience. They have a good integration with gnome software/plasma discover
I think that Fedora is making decisions that have to be made by the users. In Linux, the default desktop environment is a choice that the users have to make, because that’s the look and the feeling of their OS. Personally, I switched from KDE and GNOME a bunch of times, but I ended up going with XFCE. And, most importantly, I switched to Arch, so I and me only can decide what DE I want
I use the Cinnamon DE on my main PC and GNOME on my laptop. The reason for that is my workflow with a mouse is much more natural in Cinnamon. But when it comes to using a laptop with only a track pad, GNOME's gestures are king.
Yeah. I use one or two extensions, but that's just to bring back vertical work spaces and add tiling. I have never needed any of the extraneous features that they claim are essential for any desktop environment like window controls and a dock or toolbar or a start menu; In fact, I switched from more traditional window managers and desktop environments to GNOME precisely because I realized that once I had work spaces and knew the keyboard shortcuts for everything, I never used those things. And I wanted something that would get rid of all those extra features I didn't need, and create a workflow centered around the features I actually did use. And sure enough, I vastly prefer the GNOME workflow to the Windows-like one. It takes fuzzy search, expose view, and virtual workspaces to their logical conclusion, centering the whole workflow around those things and carefully organizing everything else so that all paths lead back to those things in a beautifully interconnected workflow where everything fluidly leads back to everything else. Maybe that's not other people's preferred workflow, but I wish they would stop insisting that no one could ever use gnome in its default form.
I want desktop icons for example and the last 2-3 times I've tried I had to fight with it and I still couldn't have them so I ditched it as I don't want a desktop environment with which I have to fight with for what I want and even worse still not be able to use my workflow that I got used to / want!
Very good decision! KDE Plasma is IMO the best desktop environment for Linux! Gnome is good too, but Plasma is just ahead and much more intuitive and user friendly! Plus, having HDR support is a must have these days!
Difficult to find settings in KDE Plasma? You haven't been on Windows in a long LONG time have you? KDE Plasma's a dream scenario for ease of use with finding settings.
Windows is also no good comparison. The problem with Plasma is, that you need to assume that the user does not know what they want to change or how it is called. Navigating the menu without search is not intuitive for Plasma. If you know what you want to change than Plasma holds a slight edge over Gnome since it re-directs better
@@MichaelNROH, I would encourage the use of the search feature for anyone that doesn't know what they are looking for. There are too many settings to explore. Both gnome and KDE Plasma have all similar settings. One desktop exposes them to you in an easy to use UI the other you need to run some cryptic commands or know what app to download to find all the "hidden" settings. Out of those two, I prefer to see all the settings and at my leisure learn about them. Using dconf is like navigating the windows registry. I do agree there is always room for improvement. I think the Plasma team is. Trying to organize the settings in a better way.
@@jvapr27 by far, plasma weakness is only the categorizing, its better than that 5.1x days but definitely need more better category(but hey! steam drck use plasma anyway)
If Gnome was my only DE option available i wouldn't be using linux. Gnome lacks basic functionality for me like a taskbar. Settings are extremely easy to find in Plasma if you use search, even things that look like the thing you're looking for will bring you to the correct setting, for example if your search for trackpad, mouse , touchpad etc you will be redirected to the correct settings for input devices.
@@alexstone691 I don't have exact bugs. SFTP share time outs, default Firefox becoming unusable (media codec issue), Firmware updates being larger than the partition space it created. Spotify not loading. Just a series of annoyances. I installed Linux Mint and will daily drive that at work for a bit.
Some of the issues happened in Fedora gnome too, but not all of them (FTP timeout for example). Fedora is a great project. I just had to uninstall it to get my work done properly.
KDE was my preferred desktop back when I was using Red Hat Linux, I never particularly liked plasma. Hopefully this promotion will increase the development of KDE to make it a viable option for RHEL and business settings, Gnome is a great DE but it will never be accepted for office situations, businesses don't want to learn a completely new layout, even if it's more efficient.
Both desktop environment are good in their own way, they both have their advantages and disadvantages. But my laptop is very old so I settled with xfce + arch.
Gnome was my go to as I initially didn’t like KDE, but now regularly use KDE thanks to the Steam Deck. And lots has changed since KDE 5 to 6 in a year, and it keeps getting better. I get the online connectivity features and apps in Gnome. But KDE somehow doesn’t come in the way, and fits into my workflow. It works very well with Arch. I honestly thought Cinnamon was going to be the better DE, but I feel it is outdated now. That said, I might just give Gnome and Cinnamon another visit.
Okay, one thing I should add here is that apps that come with Gnome are a lot better looking than the default KDE apps. Gnome apps are a lot cleaner, modern looking, and well integrated.
Strongly prefer KDE Plasma, and strongly dislike Gnome. Part of the beauty of the Linux universe is that we get to choose our preferred desktop, be it KDE, Gnome, or one of many others. Personally, I will never use anything but KDE Plasma, but I love that we have options.
Used Gnome for some time, but the latest major version with those unstable extensions made it frustrating. Liked the simplicity though. In the mean time, KDE6 is so rapidly improving. I have switched permanently since 6 months and I am quite happy, getting almost everything now, including Wayland with HDR and VRR, desktop customized the way I like it without a lot of hassle. I think that desktop apps like image viewer, document viewer, screen capture, even the file picker are far better on KDE in terms of flexibility and what they provide. Disclaimer: I am a power user and using a rolling update distro (CachyOS).
I switched from GNOME to KDE due to fractional scaling, blurry XWayland windows, and GTK4 issues. Many things in Wayland are broken in GNOME, and fractional scaling makes them worse. I don’t need cloud storage access or calendar syncing in the file manager, as the browser and phone are enough. KDE offers better stability, while GNOME provides a fancier experience.
Accounts is one of the 2 big strengths of gnome, the other one is the workflow of the shell. But, the file manager is simply embarrassing poor of functionality, some things (like icons) look like 30 years old, you need extensions with possible breaks for basic things, 4 (four!) clicks to shutdown the pc... And so much more. KDE is not perfect by all means, but they don't take absurd decisions just 'cause! A good middle ground between the two worlds is cinnamon. Offer better looks than gnome, is solid, has many integrated features but not as many as plasma. It excels in easy of use for about everything, without any peak like gnome or plasma.
Agreed. I also love the accounts integration that Gnome provides. It's the last thing keeping me on Gnome. I love Gnome but the interface is too barren for what I need. It is a good starter desktop but I need more flexibility capabilities at my finger tips. As a beginner I do like to recommend Gnome. As advanced users, I understand why so many advanced users use Plasma now.
I confess I've never been able to get widgets to work how I'd like in KDE. Though I also haven't put much effort into it since the KDE 4 days. A significant factor for me is actually performance, because I'm one of those people who uses Linux on my older computer while I keep my newer box on Windows for gaming. And KDE simply has lower overhead by default at this point, even approaching xfce levels.
KDE is my favorite. It just works out of the box like you would expect from a proper desktop, no need to change anything. I use Klassy for the window decorations, but the default one works and looks just fine. The only problem with KDE is that they always manage to build new bugs in every new release. The team promised to get better at quality management, and I really hope they do. At least KDE 5.27 has been a very solid release.
42 2:57 I love your channel. Im also a big fan of KDE and gnome. But i prefer panels and initiating that change on gnome is a step i don't want to take every time i install. Thats why i choose KDE. Also, i like the permanent dock and would prefer to not manually enable that type of function every time I install. Gnome is more beautiful out of the box in my opinion. But in most cases, KDE is the path of least resistance for my workflow
The permanent dock is one of the things that they should definitely implement. It's interesting that they haven't done so, at least if you didn't have any fullscreen windows open
My biggest gripe with Gnome is the file dialogue, it is so primitive. KDE has a much better solution. Further, the look and feel of KDE is a much better experience.
I hate Gnome's reliance on extensions and their frequent breakage. That alone is why I don't use it. I used Gnome for a long time and just put up with repairing my desktop functionality after every update until I got a Steam Deck and switched to KDE on my desktop too based on that experience.
one of the biggest selling points for nixos for me is how I can switch desktops whenever I want by changing a single line in my config, and I can use the same settings and theming on both
KDE runs kinda good nowadays with wayland and games... but yeah, everything else, there is always something that EFFS around and has issues. After every bigger update there is always something not working as before. basically really every time over the last 2 years I tried to use KDE over GNOME as main DE. KDE has lots of stuff that is cool and that I miss in GNOME, for sure. But I almost never have any big issues when using GNOME wayland over the last years. Maybe because their approach is simpler than KDE. I dont know. Ressource usage of the DE doesnt matter to me with todays hardware we use for gaming etc. it doesnt make any difference at the end of the day outside of some benchmark numbers maybe. The workflow and smoothness in GNOME is still unmatched. KDE is way too much Windows like. And guess what, I dont like Windows. So, there is that.
KDE and GNOME have different use cases for me. I use GNOME on my 2 in 1 touchscreen laptop because its layout and touch gestures are far better for a device that I often use as a tablet. I don't find it super appealing personally but it really works for this use case of mine; I think it's a great DE that is super cohesive and does what it wants to do well. As for KDE, it's what got me out of Windows as its look and interface is familiar (and imo quite polished and nice looking) coming from Windows 10, and I was drawn to how thorough and powerful it is. I like its "simple by default, powerful when needed" design philosophy. KDE holds a special place in my heart and it's what I use on my non touchscreen laptop. It's wonderful to see both of these amazing desktops continuing to get better every day :)
i hate those tiny niche customization options i cant access on kde panel icon size and separation, notification popup theming, window rules breaking everytime i turn off one of my monitors, granular customization of widgets, etc. people say kde plasma is more customizable than gnome the same way androi is more customizable than ios, there are a ton of modular alternatives to whatever you need but these are often subpar and lack customization. i prefer gnome extensions over kwin scripts and plasmoids any day of the year and jailbroken ios over rooted android
I love that there are so many DEs, but each are annoying in their own way. KDE for example has no sight accessability, there's no simple slider for "large text". If only theres Gnome with KDE's bottom taskbar and start menu, i'd pick that in a heartbeat. c:
While I would agree that KDE Plasma has gotten much better, I still am a Gnome user. It just seems more polished. I like that I can add a few extensions to make it exactly like I want.
HDR works great on Gnome 47 w/ gamescope-git and vk hdr layer from copr. Where I'm really struggling is getting VRR to consistently work. VRR will work maybe 10% of the time even with extensions turned off (amd gpu) So it's back to plasma 6. Will try Gnome again with 48
KDE is great if I need/want to tweak every single aspect of my desktop experience. And, while that might sound appealing at first...at the end of the day stupid things like accent colors aren't really that important to me; I'm trying to get s**t done! GNOME's heavily simplified and streamlined experience helps me with that task. I wouldn't discourage anyone from trying or using KDE, though. It might work well for them; for me it just has "muchness". As far as the other desktop environments, some of them have some great features "under the hood". (XFCE's lightweight nature helped it work great on an old netbook I had, for example.) Otherwise, they're more or less just "copies" of KDE or GNOME's experience. They should keep developing them, but I personally haven't found any compelling reason to not use either GNOME or KDE.
I've never really given GNOME much of a chance to be honest. But since I don't really use connected online accounts, then it really doesn't matter much to me. I just like the ability to multitask on KDE a lot better since it's very similar to Windows. Sometimes I have to switch between things kind of quickly. But I do feel as though GNOME looks a bit more polished as KDE can seem a bit jagged around the edges. I do use my Linux installation with an active directory domain and I use realmd to connect so I need to use command line with it, but it's not bad. But as far as customization goes, I do feel like KDE should try to make it slightly easier to understand exactly what modifies what. Like in the old days of Windows, you could select something in the display panel. Say you wanted to modify the titlebar color, you just clicked on the titlebar preview window and it would switch the selection to that and you could choose the color. KDE doesn't seem quite that simple from what I've seen. But I'm excited for KDE's future and I'm sure they're going to really wow us in the coming years. That's just my opinion, though. :)
before i changed from windows too linux i try out several desktop Environments in that state i was so "ohh gnome looks realy cool and modern, fancy schmanzy". After a week i switched too KDE plasma. In my opinion, it is better for an normal PC experience than gnome and i can proceed a better workflow with dolphin than Nautilus.
I love the design language of gnome. But I also love the freedom and choice that comes with customizing plasma. If only I could actually move files around in my file manage without holding the keyboard shortcuts or the desktop environment harassing me about what I want to do! Default action for drag and drop should be move! 🤬
I customize my kde to look and feel just like gnome (complete with auto workspace adding) but with global menu. I enjoy my experience but keep on finding bugs here and there every so often. Now I consider switching back to gnome... if only it has global menu to make use of its empty top bar😅
After a lot of distro hoping I am currently using Ubuntu. I gotta say that Ubuntu gave me the worst experience especially with snaps. So I thought of switching back to fedora. But I am still confused whether to wait for KDE or just hop back in the Gnome version.
IMO XFCE is the best. I don't need all that fancy customization, just a panel color change, a few extra entries to monitor CPU from the panel, window borders and I'll be just fine. been on NixOS so it's really easy to setup network drives/locations from the configuration file directly.
XFCE on Ubuntu Studio has been just right for me for many years, simple, no nonsense. I'm practically in mourning after "upgrading" to 22 on one PC, Plasma is awful imo. Now looking at new distros after about 10 years with Studio.
Regardless of desktop environment and especially in corporate scenarios we need some remote desktop solution built into the login manager independent of existing sessions and vnc doesn't cut it.
Gnome has this now (and I think Plasma as well?). You can basically choose between the "old" way of logging into an Open Session or if you want to connect globally
The person who suggested that KDE should replace gnome what's so wrong. This was done on purpose because they knew that such a replacement would be impossible , and that KDE would be elevated as a result. What's to stop the budgie spin from doing the same thing?
I used Ubuntu for a long time so I got used to how Gnome works and also the name of the apps. I also like the simpleness of Gnome. KDE Plasma have too many settings options. I don't have the energy to go thru them so I just use the stock settings. On KDE the name of the apps is different even if they do the same thing. Dolphin instead of Files. Stuff like that. I prefer how the app Disks work in Gnome. I'm not a fan how it works on KDE. I actually installed Disks on KDE because the partition thingie on KDE made me confused.
A search bar is no subsitute for usability. Every settings panel needs to be build without it in mind and and also assume that users might not know what the settings are called. E.g. why is the Task Switcher appearance not in Appearance, etc.
I personally don't want to sync my devices to anything in the cloud, phone, tablet or PC. We do use Google Drive and whatnot at work but I'd rather access that through a browser. I've tried gnome several times but I just can't. It's so bare bones ootb and my desktop just ends up looking the same as it does in Plasma or any other DE anyways. The settings options in KDE also make it far easier to set up my workstation to work the way I want it to and I don't need a single extension to do it.
I'm gonna try out Arch with hyprland. I used to switch between gnome and KDE, but had some issues occure with it while having installed both simultaneously and switching between them. This might be due to Wayland but i'm not sure. Did you ever have some problems with multiple environments installed?
I would strongly reccommend not installing multiple de's, all the config files and apps clash together causing tons of problems. It's much better to have only one at a time imo.
Some are not compatible with one another if they are based off each other. Some Desktop Environments branched from old Gnome releases for example and might use the same config files
I have hyprland, Gnome and KDE installed at the same time. They don't have any issues related to the fact that I have multiple DEs installed, at maximum sometimes it takes a little bit longer sometimes to get wi-fi (but I'm talking about a few seconds difference), but it works fine
@Fossil-e4w gnome developers do not listen to users, they only do what they think is best or they do it only for them and that is a toxic mentality, because you must do something so that everyone can use it comfortably, for example tasks like a system tray , a file manager with basic things among many other things.
What's the name of the app or program that allows to perfectly center an open window? when you click on it it shows a square of the size of the window and two lines, vertical and horizontal, right in the middle?
@@EHKvlogsRecently I wanted one, looked for some, there are several that work under Gnome that do text, pictures and files. Except the QR code function - which, I would claim, isn't the job of a clipboard manager. I have no idea which of the ones I checked out might be able to do it or if there even were any.
That was implemented in KDE Plasma 5.24, which was released in February of 2022. Although, the implementation is kinda shitty, as it is on every Linux that supports it (through fprintd). Shitty as in, not exactly safe.
@@ThePingedOne Fingerprints can be used in place of a password when unlocking the screen and providing administrator permissions to applications and command-line programs that request them. Logging into the system with your fingerprint is not yet supported.
I found KDE a better expirience like you stated. It does have some quirks the lack of integration. But it was a smoother transition from Windows to KDE. I tried linux mint but it didn't feel right. I Tried Gnome and felt ok with the dock for a task bar. But KDE just works for me. Also my steam has it. I have tried PopOS, Voyager, Ubuntu Budgie, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, KDE Neon, Elementary OS, and chose Kubuntu. The stability of Ubuntu with KDE environment. I did the live testing of Fedora KDE and out of hte box it was gorgeous.
@@ranma8890if you’re a new user, fedora is awesome to get into linux. That’s how i started as well. I used it for around half a year before moving to arch (only because i like tinkering with my pc). Never had a single crash on fedora and everything just works.
I can't stand KDE and I really like Gnome, it just works for me. That all being said, I would rather go with a Windows Manager if I ever leave Gnome, even though I don't think I ever will. Yet i3 and Hyprland seem really clean once configured.
KDE is definitely ahead in a lot of areas like VRR and HDR support. Until recently Gnome didn't have VRR support. That's why I picked it and I personally prefer it over Gnome.
I accidentally installed GNOME Fedora on my PC. I actually planning to use Fedora KDE. But when I start to use it, my multi tasking become 10x to 20x better and comfortable. I can easily switch to multiple Desktop to do various stuff, like Programming, Reading Documentation, using AI chat bots, messaging on social media, even listening to TH-cam Playlist simultaneously. We have also multiple Desktop on KDE. But you can just hold Super and pag up page down or scroll wheel on the mouse to change desktops.
GNOME is basically missing basic desktop functions for me without making several changes with dconf and extensions and they seem to continuously break every release and I have to find some way to fix the complete dealbreakers in a desktop. Its so annoying because, when I do get it finally working perfectly, its great, then 6 months later is all messed up again. KDE just keeps working, always works, and has all the basic functionality built in that any desktop should have.
I felt that... I use GNOME as well, but having extensions, gsettings and Nautilus settings radically change every 6 months is so incredibly frustrating.
and unironically kde is better at theming gtk apps then gnome is lol. I don't i am the only one who had gnome apps not even following light/dark theme (let's not even talk about actual themes. gtk theming is a css mess lol)
Ironically, in the couple months I mained Pop!_OS Gnome I have done more tinkering with my environment than I have in the ~3y of using Sway on Arch. Mainly due to extensions and out of data software.
@@no_name4796 Well, customization isn't really a selling point for me. Most GNOME users don't care about theming enough and like the UI as is. I want to spend less time tinkering and more time getting stuff done on my machine. I just wish for a more stable UI toolkit that builds upon itself instead of radically changing everything.
It's great to have choice. KDE was too convoluted & many options for me. I decided on GNOME 5 years ago and stuck with it. I don't want to rice my system, I just want to use it and I don't care about loads of options that I won't use, that's why I like GNOME, it does all I need without any fussing. Furthermore, I get you can quite likely use KDE simply, but I just didn't take to it.
KDE is my jam! I love customising things and found Gnome to be kinda dull and lifeless until you start adding extentions but even then it just didn't feel as intuitive. With KDE I felt like I immediately knew how to use it. Also have XFCE on my laptop.
I prefer Gnome for my laptop, partly because it has a touchscreen. KDE i prefer for my desktop. So. Having them at parity would be amazing, though a minor thing overall.
@@asbjo same using a ThinkPad X1 with it pretty cool. Only the autorotation stopped working and had to workaround it. Thought using Fedora was gonna be all features in but it has its caveats. Moving from arch for it though cuz reliability can't have packages break on it.
Same here. KDE rules the desktop. Gnome (and they're awesome gestures) the my laptop. My preference (after customizing to my liking) is KDE though. It's just so polished once you spend some (alot) time getting it to what you want.
Gnome feels so close to being perfect, it's very streamlined, but it's also just horrible for customizing and theming. Sure there's plugins, but they tend to be jank workarounds that break on a regular basis.
Meanwhile KDE tends to just break more in general from my experiences, but is much more feature complete. Their default settings are far from sane, but they're leagues better than Windows at least.
Im riding on Cosmic being the middle ground that is missing from the DE space. Sure Cinnamon exists, but it lacks Wayland support.
There is also Cinnamon and Mate which are alternative versions of Gnome but with the more traditional Windows 7 style appearance. Much easier for new users coming over to Linux from Windows to get along with.
@@AndreaBorman Those are pretty solid options. I personally won't use or recommend them as they lack Wayland support currently.
@@nezunskyfire292 I don't use Wayland although Cinnamon,Gnome and KDE do have this option at login. The reason is I find that some of the web cam and screen recording software doesn't work in Wayland. It only works on X11. Other users have found the same thing which is why Wayland is not ready for full time use yet.
@@nezunskyfire292 I don't use Wayland even though there is an option at login Well there is with Cinnamon, Gnome and KDE desktops. The reason is that the video software and screen recorders don't work on Wayland. They only work on X11.
I have tried both GNOME and KDE but I keep coming back to my bspwm. It just feels the easiest and most intuitive to use for me personally.
But, if I had to choose between them I'd pick KDE only because it feels the smoother than GNOME on my potato PC. Even though I prefer GNOME's out-of-the-box experience more.
So KDE needs to be like Gnome until it can't afford to be like Gnome. Meaning that features should be defaulted but allow the curious to expand their exposure without making it hard or impossible. Like a level setting.
For me KDE is always laggy and unstable. Gnome just works.
Both have things that annoy me. But I love both.
KDE for me feels like the only fully featured DE on Linux, it gives you control over almost everything on your computer with standardised UI elements and Gnome doesn't cut it for my workflow even with extensions. I don't really use integrations though, I need an Office 365 sub for work related reasons but I just use a rclone script to mount the included Onedrive cloud on startup and that's it. I will say Plasma designers could use some lessons on interface consistency and design - there's way too many unnecessary horizontal and vertical lines everywhere some of which even theming can't get rid of.
GNOME has always been more stable for me than KDE, and I prefer the appearance of GNOME. I hope Fedora promoting KDE makes the DE more stable. Which Fedora's KDE DE is the only desktop environment that has never completely frozen on me.
The only reason I use Plasma 6 is because it supports HDR and I have an HDR OLED monitor. Gnome doesn't work quite right thus far.
Is it even that ready? Seems like the color and brightness values are not correct yet
I like KDE Plasma, the issue however is Wayland has been iffy on it but this has improved recently. Also, KDE Plasma is straight up garbage on LTS distros. KDE update a lot and they fix a lot of things, but LTS users (Mint users, Kubuntu "It works so I use it" users, etc) do not see these updates I think until way later unless I am mistaken. This gives KDE Plasma kind of a bad rep. It broke CONSTANTLY on this same machine I am on right now when I was using Nobara with it and also was a laggy mess on openSUSE Tumbleweed. But now I am on Arch (btw) and it's smooth as silk, barely crashes and when it does it's not consistent enough to be an issue. I deduced very quickly that aside from Tumbleweed, this was a LTS issue and it just added onto my hatred of LTS, personally. Like most of my issues with Linux turned out to be because of the slow release schedule of these distros.
The continuous patching which also includes feature updates is actually a good argument. Forgot about that
Linux mint supports KDE now?
When did they start doing that?!?
(I am sarcastic here, mint does NOT support KDE plasma)
You DO understand that it is the distribution that have to support the DE, not the other way around right?
I used KDE Plasma for a long while, but recently I moved to gnome, cause I do appreciate the simplicity of it. KDE has a lot of features that i don't use and will never use, but the things that I personally think lack in gnome, I can easily add. Both are really good and I'd love to see them both progress and be seen as equal, just for different people.
I feel like this video doesn't really talk about the Fedora KDE as much as it's just being another KDE vs GNOME video. I didn't like how the title and thumbnail focused on _Fedora_ KDE but the actual video didn't feel like it delivered on that.
I actually very rarely use the desktop at work, since most of my time is spent on the command line and I've slowly just moved to neovim for code editing and IDE. So, I don't actually look for customizations and other tweaks on my personal workstation that has a desktop environment. Basically, I'm probably someone who wouldn't mind the Gnome workflow and definitely doesn't need all the customizations that kde offers, but I've been happily using kde for more than half a decade now and have no plans to switch. I switched over from xfce around 2018 or so. Fedora's KDE spin is nearly perfect
I started Linux on Unity. And when Ubuntu dropped it for Gnome wasn't a great difference. Two years ago then I tried Plasma, and it is fantastic, although I still make it look like Unity :) with the left-side application-bar, the top menu and the global menu as well.
I'm in a similar boat. I started on Gnome 2, and initially hated the current to Unity, but soon came to jive with it. Ever since canonical trashed it, I've been re-creating the look and feel on other DEs. Like you have experienced, Plasma can get you about 95% the way there, I haven't found another DE that lets me get that close.
I went straight to gnome on fedora 36 and felt is was such a breeze and breathe of fresh air. Coming from Win10 and never too a second though at KDE since I always like the layoutof Mac OS but never wants the bugginess of the OS and the proprietariness of it and the lack basic features that even windows comes with like a window manager. I have since tried KDE on more than one occasion but have found myself just trying to get it to look like gnome but it never works
@@hjf3022 Yeah, I read about some hate towards Unity then. I started with Ubuntu 11.04 that introduced Unity. So I didn't really knew Gnome 2.
Do you also set the window buttons to the left, like on unity?
For the global menu I love the plasmoid "Application Title Bar". I just love it to be able to blindly close any window in focus, just by clicking the top-left corner :)
@@thisday77 it sounds like we have converged on the same idea. Global menu, window buttons on left and the title bar plugin, with the individual application's window title bar hidden when it's full screened to save that bit extra vertical space.
I know this is a very subjective thing but I don’t find KDE looks all that great. I don’t wanna say ugly but….its kinda ugly. All respect to those that contribute to it tho.
I think that will always be a matter of opinion and highly subjective. Some may say it is ugly, some like it. The same can be said about Gnome. Regardless of how much you may like it, someone somewhere out there, doesn't. I don't think that will change. I do think that a desktop environment should offer a default look that the majority can be productive with, then offer the capability for each user to tailor it as they want. I think Gnome forces this on people, by requiring unsupported extensions, and Plasma encourages it by supporting themes and plasmoids.
The default will never make everyone happy so then it comes down to how easy it is for someone to take the default and tailor it to their particular workflow.
GNOME is quiet, it desn't do anything weird or unexpected, i love it. I3 and GNOME are lovely
One of the main issues of GNOME is... Users.
Nothing is "the way desktop should work" like "How to make a desktop guidelines" was something written in stone and cannot be changed or rethinked.
I just discovered that Gnome apps look exactly the same in KDE as in Gnome. So Plasma desktop + Gnome apps -> Knome
Let's do this!
Fedora KDE is always my first choice. My distro hopping days are over.
I prefer Cinnamon. Mainly Linux Mint.
Basically a middle ground in customizing and simplicity
Honestly, I love KDE Plasma. It's so good!
Cannonical could offer an official version of Ubuntu with KDE. Nothing against Fedora, but just like Gnome and Mate, Cannonical puts a certain amount of care into making DE the face of the operating system.
why so? fedora does not ship with custom theming or tweaks in either gnome or kde. It is a very stock and vanilla experience. They have a good integration with gnome software/plasma discover
Kubuntu exist
@@someone01233 the fedora kde spin also existed. what's the point?
I think that Fedora is making decisions that have to be made by the users. In Linux, the default desktop environment is a choice that the users have to make, because that’s the look and the feeling of their OS. Personally, I switched from KDE and GNOME a bunch of times, but I ended up going with XFCE. And, most importantly, I switched to Arch, so I and me only can decide what DE I want
I use the Cinnamon DE on my main PC and GNOME on my laptop. The reason for that is my workflow with a mouse is much more natural in Cinnamon. But when it comes to using a laptop with only a track pad, GNOME's gestures are king.
People in the comments are saying that Gnome is unusable without modifications, but I've been using default Gnome for years now, and I love it.
Many just like to pick on it, even though it is the industry standard for Linux Desktops.
Yeah. I use one or two extensions, but that's just to bring back vertical work spaces and add tiling. I have never needed any of the extraneous features that they claim are essential for any desktop environment like window controls and a dock or toolbar or a start menu; In fact, I switched from more traditional window managers and desktop environments to GNOME precisely because I realized that once I had work spaces and knew the keyboard shortcuts for everything, I never used those things. And I wanted something that would get rid of all those extra features I didn't need, and create a workflow centered around the features I actually did use. And sure enough, I vastly prefer the GNOME workflow to the Windows-like one. It takes fuzzy search, expose view, and virtual workspaces to their logical conclusion, centering the whole workflow around those things and carefully organizing everything else so that all paths lead back to those things in a beautifully interconnected workflow where everything fluidly leads back to everything else. Maybe that's not other people's preferred workflow, but I wish they would stop insisting that no one could ever use gnome in its default form.
Me too. I'm even removed gnome-extensions app.
I want desktop icons for example and the last 2-3 times I've tried I had to fight with it and I still couldn't have them so I ditched it as I don't want a desktop environment with which I have to fight with for what I want and even worse still not be able to use my workflow that I got used to / want!
Very good decision!
KDE Plasma is IMO the best desktop environment for Linux!
Gnome is good too, but Plasma is just ahead and much more intuitive and user friendly!
Plus, having HDR support is a must have these days!
Difficult to find settings in KDE Plasma? You haven't been on Windows in a long LONG time have you? KDE Plasma's a dream scenario for ease of use with finding settings.
Windows is also no good comparison. The problem with Plasma is, that you need to assume that the user does not know what they want to change or how it is called.
Navigating the menu without search is not intuitive for Plasma. If you know what you want to change than Plasma holds a slight edge over Gnome since it re-directs better
@@MichaelNROH, I would encourage the use of the search feature for anyone that doesn't know what they are looking for. There are too many settings to explore. Both gnome and KDE Plasma have all similar settings. One desktop exposes them to you in an easy to use UI the other you need to run some cryptic commands or know what app to download to find all the "hidden" settings.
Out of those two, I prefer to see all the settings and at my leisure learn about them. Using dconf is like navigating the windows registry.
I do agree there is always room for improvement. I think the Plasma team is. Trying to organize the settings in a better way.
@@jvapr27 by far, plasma weakness is only the categorizing, its better than that 5.1x days but definitely need more better category(but hey! steam drck use plasma anyway)
If Gnome was my only DE option available i wouldn't be using linux. Gnome lacks basic functionality for me like a taskbar. Settings are extremely easy to find in Plasma if you use search, even things that look like the thing you're looking for will bring you to the correct setting, for example if your search for trackpad, mouse , touchpad etc you will be redirected to the correct settings for input devices.
I just watched an older video of you, it's kinda crazy how far you've come in 2 years.
Ironically I just removed Fedora KDE from my workstation as there were just too many bugs. Hopefully it gets better.
Could you tell me which bugs im on fedora KDE right now and im interested if i've experienced them or not
@@alexstone691 I don't have exact bugs. SFTP share time outs, default Firefox becoming unusable (media codec issue), Firmware updates being larger than the partition space it created. Spotify not loading. Just a series of annoyances. I installed Linux Mint and will daily drive that at work for a bit.
@@DanielLerch That's Fedora's problem. I use KDE Neon and that doesn't happen.
Well, I'm on Fedora gnome and it's working pretty good…
Some of the issues happened in Fedora gnome too, but not all of them (FTP timeout for example). Fedora is a great project. I just had to uninstall it to get my work done properly.
kde is improving, but its still buggy compared to gnome, and the ui/ux feels all over the place
KDE was my preferred desktop back when I was using Red Hat Linux, I never particularly liked plasma. Hopefully this promotion will increase the development of KDE to make it a viable option for RHEL and business settings, Gnome is a great DE but it will never be accepted for office situations, businesses don't want to learn a completely new layout, even if it's more efficient.
Both desktop environment are good in their own way, they both have their advantages and disadvantages. But my laptop is very old so I settled with xfce + arch.
Gnome was my go to as I initially didn’t like KDE, but now regularly use KDE thanks to the Steam Deck.
And lots has changed since KDE 5 to 6 in a year, and it keeps getting better.
I get the online connectivity features and apps in Gnome. But KDE somehow doesn’t come in the way, and fits into my workflow. It works very well with Arch.
I honestly thought Cinnamon was going to be the better DE, but I feel it is outdated now. That said, I might just give Gnome and Cinnamon another visit.
Okay, one thing I should add here is that apps that come with Gnome are a lot better looking than the default KDE apps. Gnome apps are a lot cleaner, modern looking, and well integrated.
Strongly prefer KDE Plasma, and strongly dislike Gnome. Part of the beauty of the Linux universe is that we get to choose our preferred desktop, be it KDE, Gnome, or one of many others. Personally, I will never use anything but KDE Plasma, but I love that we have options.
Used Gnome for some time, but the latest major version with those unstable extensions made it frustrating. Liked the simplicity though. In the mean time, KDE6 is so rapidly improving. I have switched permanently since 6 months and I am quite happy, getting almost everything now, including Wayland with HDR and VRR, desktop customized the way I like it without a lot of hassle. I think that desktop apps like image viewer, document viewer, screen capture, even the file picker are far better on KDE in terms of flexibility and what they provide. Disclaimer: I am a power user and using a rolling update distro (CachyOS).
I switched from GNOME to KDE due to fractional scaling, blurry XWayland windows, and GTK4 issues. Many things in Wayland are broken in GNOME, and fractional scaling makes them worse. I don’t need cloud storage access or calendar syncing in the file manager, as the browser and phone are enough. KDE offers better stability, while GNOME provides a fancier experience.
GNOME just needs to get like 3 more basic features to be perfectly useable without extensions. Not having a built-in clipboard manager is criminal.
I am just waitin to see xfce on wayland.
I hope to still be alive
Accounts is one of the 2 big strengths of gnome, the other one is the workflow of the shell. But, the file manager is simply embarrassing poor of functionality, some things (like icons) look like 30 years old, you need extensions with possible breaks for basic things, 4 (four!) clicks to shutdown the pc... And so much more. KDE is not perfect by all means, but they don't take absurd decisions just 'cause! A good middle ground between the two worlds is cinnamon. Offer better looks than gnome, is solid, has many integrated features but not as many as plasma. It excels in easy of use for about everything, without any peak like gnome or plasma.
My only real issue with Cinnamon is the lack of Wayland support. I'm banking more on Cosmic at this point for sane settings and integration.
Agreed. I also love the accounts integration that Gnome provides. It's the last thing keeping me on Gnome. I love Gnome but the interface is too barren for what I need. It is a good starter desktop but I need more flexibility capabilities at my finger tips. As a beginner I do like to recommend Gnome. As advanced users, I understand why so many advanced users use Plasma now.
I confess I've never been able to get widgets to work how I'd like in KDE. Though I also haven't put much effort into it since the KDE 4 days.
A significant factor for me is actually performance, because I'm one of those people who uses Linux on my older computer while I keep my newer box on Windows for gaming. And KDE simply has lower overhead by default at this point, even approaching xfce levels.
I love the workflow and the cohesive design language. But gnome misses features like hdr and vrr and some customisations
KDE is my favorite. It just works out of the box like you would expect from a proper desktop, no need to change anything. I use Klassy for the window decorations, but the default one works and looks just fine. The only problem with KDE is that they always manage to build new bugs in every new release. The team promised to get better at quality management, and I really hope they do. At least KDE 5.27 has been a very solid release.
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I love your channel. Im also a big fan of KDE and gnome. But i prefer panels and initiating that change on gnome is a step i don't want to take every time i install. Thats why i choose KDE.
Also, i like the permanent dock and would prefer to not manually enable that type of function every time I install. Gnome is more beautiful out of the box in my opinion. But in most cases, KDE is the path of least resistance for my workflow
The permanent dock is one of the things that they should definitely implement. It's interesting that they haven't done so, at least if you didn't have any fullscreen windows open
My biggest gripe with Gnome is the file dialogue, it is so primitive. KDE has a much better solution.
Further, the look and feel of KDE is a much better experience.
I hate Gnome's reliance on extensions and their frequent breakage. That alone is why I don't use it. I used Gnome for a long time and just put up with repairing my desktop functionality after every update until I got a Steam Deck and switched to KDE on my desktop too based on that experience.
one of the biggest selling points for nixos for me is how I can switch desktops whenever I want by changing a single line in my config, and I can use the same settings and theming on both
Yeah, but it takes time to setup though
@@MichaelNROH honestly I found it easier than arch. the problem is the documentation is just awful.
From all the desktops I have tried I don't know what brings me back to gnome
KDE runs kinda good nowadays with wayland and games... but yeah, everything else, there is always something that EFFS around and has issues. After every bigger update there is always something not working as before. basically really every time over the last 2 years I tried to use KDE over GNOME as main DE. KDE has lots of stuff that is cool and that I miss in GNOME, for sure. But I almost never have any big issues when using GNOME wayland over the last years.
Maybe because their approach is simpler than KDE. I dont know. Ressource usage of the DE doesnt matter to me with todays hardware we use for gaming etc. it doesnt make any difference at the end of the day outside of some benchmark numbers maybe.
The workflow and smoothness in GNOME is still unmatched. KDE is way too much Windows like. And guess what, I dont like Windows. So, there is that.
Thanks for sharing
KDE Plasma has definitely improved. Keep up the good work KDE team!
I'm not sure what you're talking about ... I can't stand using Gnome, I go always go back to KDE within a week of installing Gnome.
Elementary OS 8 SHOULD already be out but its not ready yet.
I like the Pantheon desktop as it runs quite light weight
@@BillyNoMates1974 gey
GNOME also has some wonderful extension which makes it a no-brainer for me, because KDE is often a hassle
KDE and GNOME have different use cases for me. I use GNOME on my 2 in 1 touchscreen laptop because its layout and touch gestures are far better for a device that I often use as a tablet. I don't find it super appealing personally but it really works for this use case of mine; I think it's a great DE that is super cohesive and does what it wants to do well. As for KDE, it's what got me out of Windows as its look and interface is familiar (and imo quite polished and nice looking) coming from Windows 10, and I was drawn to how thorough and powerful it is. I like its "simple by default, powerful when needed" design philosophy. KDE holds a special place in my heart and it's what I use on my non touchscreen laptop. It's wonderful to see both of these amazing desktops continuing to get better every day :)
i hate those tiny niche customization options i cant access on kde
panel icon size and separation, notification popup theming, window rules breaking everytime i turn off one of my monitors, granular customization of widgets, etc.
people say kde plasma is more customizable than gnome the same way androi is more customizable than ios, there are a ton of modular alternatives to whatever you need but these are often subpar and lack customization.
i prefer gnome extensions over kwin scripts and plasmoids any day of the year and jailbroken ios over rooted android
I love that there are so many DEs, but each are annoying in their own way. KDE for example has no sight accessability, there's no simple slider for "large text". If only theres Gnome with KDE's bottom taskbar and start menu, i'd pick that in a heartbeat. c:
While I would agree that KDE Plasma has gotten much better, I still am a Gnome user. It just seems more polished. I like that I can add a few extensions to make it exactly like I want.
HDR works great on Gnome 47 w/ gamescope-git and vk hdr layer from copr. Where I'm really struggling is getting VRR to consistently work. VRR will work maybe 10% of the time even with extensions turned off (amd gpu)
So it's back to plasma 6. Will try Gnome again with 48
KDE is great if I need/want to tweak every single aspect of my desktop experience. And, while that might sound appealing at first...at the end of the day stupid things like accent colors aren't really that important to me; I'm trying to get s**t done! GNOME's heavily simplified and streamlined experience helps me with that task. I wouldn't discourage anyone from trying or using KDE, though. It might work well for them; for me it just has "muchness".
As far as the other desktop environments, some of them have some great features "under the hood". (XFCE's lightweight nature helped it work great on an old netbook I had, for example.) Otherwise, they're more or less just "copies" of KDE or GNOME's experience. They should keep developing them, but I personally haven't found any compelling reason to not use either GNOME or KDE.
The main reason I use KDE: Battery charge limit out of the box. I may try out gnome some time though…
Ever since plasma has supported HDR and had been on Wayland, I haven't considered anything else.
Budgie and Cinnamon!
I've never really given GNOME much of a chance to be honest. But since I don't really use connected online accounts, then it really doesn't matter much to me. I just like the ability to multitask on KDE a lot better since it's very similar to Windows. Sometimes I have to switch between things kind of quickly. But I do feel as though GNOME looks a bit more polished as KDE can seem a bit jagged around the edges. I do use my Linux installation with an active directory domain and I use realmd to connect so I need to use command line with it, but it's not bad. But as far as customization goes, I do feel like KDE should try to make it slightly easier to understand exactly what modifies what. Like in the old days of Windows, you could select something in the display panel. Say you wanted to modify the titlebar color, you just clicked on the titlebar preview window and it would switch the selection to that and you could choose the color. KDE doesn't seem quite that simple from what I've seen. But I'm excited for KDE's future and I'm sure they're going to really wow us in the coming years. That's just my opinion, though. :)
before i changed from windows too linux i try out several desktop Environments in that state i was so "ohh gnome looks realy cool and modern, fancy schmanzy". After a week i switched too KDE plasma. In my opinion, it is better for an normal PC experience than gnome and i can proceed a better workflow with dolphin than Nautilus.
Tastes and workflows are different. It's a good thing
I love the design language of gnome. But I also love the freedom and choice that comes with customizing plasma. If only I could actually move files around in my file manage without holding the keyboard shortcuts or the desktop environment harassing me about what I want to do! Default action for drag and drop should be move! 🤬
I customize my kde to look and feel just like gnome (complete with auto workspace adding) but with global menu. I enjoy my experience but keep on finding bugs here and there every so often. Now I consider switching back to gnome... if only it has global menu to make use of its empty top bar😅
i'm on hyprland and i'm using it with some of the gnome applications like nautlus, calculator, showtime etc. because i like the gtk look
Nachteil von Gnome der schreckliche Dateimanager 😂
I like KDE, I have a laptop with a win 7 sticker so I added the win 7 skin on kde and it looks perfect
Us from cinnamon. Then moved to gnome. No desire to move anywhere else.
Though it is great but Gnome is more likely mobile OS…I don’t like to use it on my system feels like I am using mobile
Gnome is smooth if it had better customization options out the box I would drive it more.
the upstream support for asahi fedora has been focused on KDE so this isn't surprising to me as a mac user
After a lot of distro hoping I am currently using Ubuntu. I gotta say that Ubuntu gave me the worst experience especially with snaps. So I thought of switching back to fedora. But I am still confused whether to wait for KDE or just hop back in the Gnome version.
Gnome is much better but you can still install fedora KDE spin
The KDE spin already exists, and has existed for years.
All users of the Fedora KDE Spin will be upgraded to Fedora KDE Workstation. So you can just use the spin atm.
@@teknixstuff So they are gonna just improve development on the existing spin?
@@quietmemer yeah that's pretty much it
What is really annoying about Kde are the KDE Fanboys...
IMO XFCE is the best.
I don't need all that fancy customization, just a panel color change, a few extra entries to monitor CPU from the panel, window borders and I'll be just fine.
been on NixOS so it's really easy to setup network drives/locations from the configuration file directly.
XFCE on Ubuntu Studio has been just right for me for many years, simple, no nonsense. I'm practically in mourning after "upgrading" to 22 on one PC, Plasma is awful imo. Now looking at new distros after about 10 years with Studio.
Doesn't support wayland and is outdated. Should not be the standard.
@@cyberturkey77 wayland is... iffy. There's no wacom drivers that support wayland and performance in games on wayland is worse than x11.
@@cyberturkey77 yet
@@cyberturkey77Wayland isn't ready yet.
Regardless of desktop environment and especially in corporate scenarios we need some remote desktop solution built into the login manager independent of existing sessions and vnc doesn't cut it.
Amen to this. Getting rdp up and running especially on a Wayland session is a nightmare, it never just works out of the box.
Gnome has this now (and I think Plasma as well?). You can basically choose between the "old" way of logging into an Open Session or if you want to connect globally
We need a kde config that imitates gnome ootb.
Or cosmic can finally fill the niche
The person who suggested that KDE should replace gnome what's so wrong. This was done on purpose because they knew that such a replacement would be impossible , and that KDE would be elevated as a result. What's to stop the budgie spin from doing the same thing?
Number of devs, quality code, project ownership
XFCE for sanity.
KDE is good, and I really like it but I will still use gnome as it feels more consistent experience.
I used Ubuntu for a long time so I got used to how Gnome works and also the name of the apps.
I also like the simpleness of Gnome. KDE Plasma have too many settings options. I don't have the energy to go thru them so I just use the stock settings.
On KDE the name of the apps is different even if they do the same thing. Dolphin instead of Files. Stuff like that.
I prefer how the app Disks work in Gnome. I'm not a fan how it works on KDE.
I actually installed Disks on KDE because the partition thingie on KDE made me confused.
I can't see how it is hard to find settings in plasma, even if you really got lost, just use the search bar
A search bar is no subsitute for usability. Every settings panel needs to be build without it in mind and and also assume that users might not know what the settings are called.
E.g. why is the Task Switcher appearance not in Appearance, etc.
I personally don't want to sync my devices to anything in the cloud, phone, tablet or PC. We do use Google Drive and whatnot at work but I'd rather access that through a browser. I've tried gnome several times but I just can't. It's so bare bones ootb and my desktop just ends up looking the same as it does in Plasma or any other DE anyways. The settings options in KDE also make it far easier to set up my workstation to work the way I want it to and I don't need a single extension to do it.
GNOME is amazing for laptops but I think it'd be terrible for a regular pc
I'm gonna try out Arch with hyprland. I used to switch between gnome and KDE, but had some issues occure with it while having installed both simultaneously and switching between them. This might be due to Wayland but i'm not sure. Did you ever have some problems with multiple environments installed?
I would strongly reccommend not installing multiple de's, all the config files and apps clash together causing tons of problems. It's much better to have only one at a time imo.
Some are not compatible with one another if they are based off each other. Some Desktop Environments branched from old Gnome releases for example and might use the same config files
i use arch with kde(wayland), no issue whatsoever
both arch and kde(wayland) receive support from valve, things will just get better
I have hyprland, Gnome and KDE installed at the same time. They don't have any issues related to the fact that I have multiple DEs installed, at maximum sometimes it takes a little bit longer sometimes to get wi-fi (but I'm talking about a few seconds difference), but it works fine
I love gnome as it's not a Windows lookalike
True. But KDE is what Windows should have looked like. 😂🤣
but it looks like macos, gnome lacks the basic things of a desktop ready to work.
@Fossil-e4w gnome developers do not listen to users, they only do what they think is best or they do it only for them and that is a toxic mentality, because you must do something so that everyone can use it comfortably, for example tasks like a system tray , a file manager with basic things among many other things.
Gnome for wacom, LXDE for anything else
What's the name of the app or program that allows to perfectly center an open window? when you click on it it shows a square of the size of the window and two lines, vertical and horizontal, right in the middle?
Do you mean the one at 05:23?
It's a KWIN script for KDE Plasma
Considering how the people writing GNOME treat people, this shift is hardly surprising. Forking the linux kernel is next on the list.
KDE, it seemed the most familiar coming from windows
KDE doesn't even support fingerprint login yet
gnome doesn't even have a clipboard manager that supports text, files and images and makes qr codes.
Yes it does.
@@EHKvlogsRecently I wanted one, looked for some, there are several that work under Gnome that do text, pictures and files. Except the QR code function - which, I would claim, isn't the job of a clipboard manager. I have no idea which of the ones I checked out might be able to do it or if there even were any.
That was implemented in KDE Plasma 5.24, which was released in February of 2022. Although, the implementation is kinda shitty, as it is on every Linux that supports it (through fprintd). Shitty as in, not exactly safe.
@@ThePingedOne Fingerprints can be used in place of a password when unlocking the screen and providing administrator permissions to applications and command-line programs that request them.
Logging into the system with your fingerprint is not yet supported.
I prefer KDE plasma. I tried Gnome but couldnt get Used to it. I installed plasma over the top of it.
to many distros, to many desktop choices and very little meaningful applications for media creation.
XFCE FTW
I found KDE a better expirience like you stated. It does have some quirks the lack of integration. But it was a smoother transition from Windows to KDE. I tried linux mint but it didn't feel right. I Tried Gnome and felt ok with the dock for a task bar. But KDE just works for me. Also my steam has it. I have tried PopOS, Voyager, Ubuntu Budgie, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, KDE Neon, Elementary OS, and chose Kubuntu. The stability of Ubuntu with KDE environment. I did the live testing of Fedora KDE and out of hte box it was gorgeous.
As a Windows user, I must say that having used Fedora with KDE Plasma on my laptop for two weeks, I am enjoying the experience thus far.
@@ranma8890if you’re a new user, fedora is awesome to get into linux. That’s how i started as well. I used it for around half a year before moving to arch (only because i like tinkering with my pc). Never had a single crash on fedora and everything just works.
@@ranma8890 same
I can't stand KDE and I really like Gnome, it just works for me. That all being said, I would rather go with a Windows Manager if I ever leave Gnome, even though I don't think I ever will. Yet i3 and Hyprland seem really clean once configured.