Zoom for Musicians: How to stream your DAW
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 มิ.ย. 2024
- How do you stream your DAW or music software over Zoom? Lots of musicians have struggled with this over the last 18 months in particular. Today composer Guy Michelmore gives you some insights into how he has overcome these challenges in his day to day work with clients all over the world.
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00:00 Intro
01:26 Zoom Music Setup
03:09 Testing Zoom Original Sound
05:29 Audio Routing
07:31 VB-Audio VoiceMeeter PC
09:06 Loopback Mac
15:51 Message to Zoom
16:34 Audiomovers Listento
19:06 Listento Testing
21:35 Conclusion
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If this topic is your thing then read the comments as well as there are LOTS of great suggestions. We're all figuring this out as we go adn some people have some excellent suggestions. ~Thank you!
You've read my troubled mind!! Presenting to a class next week and now I have a solution!!
Thank you for your time spent guy! Much love to you!
You're welcome
I just want to say thank you for making the “the avengers earths mightiest hero’s” intro it’s so good
This is a BRILIANT video. I'm on Win and use the combination of TotalMix + Zoom (w/ original sound: on) to stream my music teaching. And my partner uses Loopback + Zoom. But I'd say that your testing is far more thorough and even including latency test. I'm sold. Thank a ton for your effort making this vid for us.
I had my first ever recording session this year in Budapest.
Due to the dreaded travel restrictions, I was not able to go there and feel the energy of the orchestra and studio myself.
But with Audiomovers, it still was an amazing experience, and probably the best experience I have in my life to date.
Let us hope that interational traveling will be possible soon for the entire world, but I can absolutly see that to reduce emmissions, Audiomovers can play a vital role to bring the music of composers to life, and providing the orchestras with more work then ever before.
Now we have Audio Interfaces like the EVO 4 or PreSonus Revelator with built-in Loopback Capability and Loopback Mix Engine Software for each of these. Simple setup... Simple is good because a vast majority of us want to spend our time being creative, productive, and helpful to our communities... Rather than eroding countless hours geeking out with all these tech and software solutions that rarely play nice together... Thanks for sharing ListenTo by AudioMovers with us as it lends more proof that Simple is Sweet! Carry on Guy > Love your expertise and style mate!
Awsome advise as per usual from my favourite guy, thanks Guy your the guy !
Brilliant. Looking forward to trying these tools out. The thought of real-time collaboration has NOT been in my mind, but with latencies going down due to fiber connections, etc. It would be fun to try. I also do zoom broadcasts for the school where I work and have seen the High-Quality audio enabled and now understand better. Thanks again!
Love your set up, brother!! All that natural light! Beautiful! Also, I love your shallow depth of field. You sound great as well. Thank you, I needed this. Take care, -Kenneth
Thank you for this, Guy!! You have solved a lot of head scratching problems for Zoom users. Great info
Thanks Linda
Fabulously helpful - Thanks Guy
Guy, you’re a hero. This is exactly what I needed help with.
Hope it helps - are you mac or PC?
This is great! I've been futzing around with this for awhile on the PC side. Great solutions.
If only there was something as good as loopback on a PC!
Super helpful, I've been trying to get this working for a while to no avail
I watched this and thought, this is nice but I'll never use it. A week later someone asked me to teach them how to use Logic ... over Zoom and I thought, you know what, Guy has already taught me how to do this and it worked amazingly first time. Thanks so much! super useful video :) The zoom folks really nailed it too.
Absolutely spot on, thank you!
I use an iMac and a uad interface and that's all I need.
Audiomovers sounds great thanks for the info!
Thank you for the video Guy! I went with a hardware solution to avoid the software mayhem. I got a Yamaha MG10XU. Zero issues
Good advice thanks 👍
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG FINALLY the video i wanted
Thank you Guy!
Thank you
Another great video Guy and as a pro producer can concur (after the same long journey lol ) audiomovers wins hands down ! Used it everyday for studio sessions last 18 months so stable, reliable , easy to use and cheap ! , keep up the great work 🙏😊
Great video. Thank you Guy!
Thanks, this is really helpful
That was extremely helpful thank you guy ;)
thanks. Thats valuable content
THANK GOD I AM FINALLY FINDING THESE VIDEOS :')
I think you hit on the #1 zoom crime, not wearing headphones when you're hosting a music session. I just attended a music Salon where they played my Viking Score. Zoom absolutely butchered it. It sounded like someone was mumbling in the background. Only later I realized the host was listening through her computer speakers and her mic was picking up and echoing the piece back.
Oh completely - once you turn on original sound its compulsory as you turn off the feedfback protection - well spotted I should havbe remembered
Wouldn't using Listento have this same issue, audio feedback?
thank you this is helpful
Great help, thank you!
I made the rookie mistake last week of assuming that screensharing my DAW would share the sound! Thanks for this video, it’s literally what I needed to know!
I mean it does but you need to have the window active or it won't work. I would join the meeting on my phone and use my PC purely to screenshare the DAW, so that I wouldn't have to fiddle with my microphone
Great video, great Guy ! 😃
I use Loop Back with Zoom. Love it so much! On top of that, the app is fully accessible with Voiceover, which is the screen reader built into Apple devices. I'm blind so this helps out a lot.
Very useful. Again! 😀
As always good video and usefull
Audiomover solves all these problems
Excellent, finally
I've used VMB to have the option to play TH-cam videos AND play from Cubase (because ASIO4ALL turned off all of my audio).
This opens also a lot of possibilities when I want to play soemthing from Cubase during my Discord chat, if I manage to set it up. Thanks for the video, Guy!
This is why I host my own jitsi streaming service :)
Good day!
I gave up on trying to setup Source Connect. That's how complicated it was.
I'm gonna give this Listen To a go.
Hi guy! I personally did a lot of research into the routing for the audio and I had some interesting findings... Voicemeeter for some reason does a small amount of processing on the audio which I only noticed when I recorded a piano simultaneously on the daw itself and on obs which had the voicemeeter input. It makes the highs sound wierd. I currently use voxengo recorder as a form of virtual cable between the daw and obs and from obs I send it via virtual cable to zoom... That seems to be the most lossless chain of audio integrity for me. Voxengo is kinda unintuitive but gets the job done since it can be applied as an effect on any track which gives a lot of flexibility.
Ill try it. Voicemeter is not my favorite solution
Excellent video & thank you. Me & my mate who I collaborate with have been using Listen to as well as Zoom to share the screen. How do you go about setting up Zoom to talk to each other? We've been using FaceTime on our phones which isn't ideal.
I use a digital mixing console with my DAW, so the DAW tracks are routed 1:1 with the console channels. I do not use the Master Bus in the DAW. So, I use the USB output on my monitor controller to feed Zoom and other live streaming software. The DAW runs normally to the console and I mix normally on the console, but the audience hears what I hear on the monitor bus of the console/monitor controller. The added benefit of this setup is that the monitor controller also has 2 mic pres, so I can use a mic for narration completely separate from the mix of the console.
THANKS THANKS THANKS THANKS THANKS
Great vid! Is there a way to get the mic mixed in with blackhole? I got cubase sound working, but can’t get mic in.
Great video! Have you tried Groovesetter for the audio with Zoom on mute?
Thank you for this useful stuff. I want to ask only: What can you say about audio quality & latency in and out trought Ninja? Can you compare it with Listen_to?
GREAT VID! I HAVE A QUESTION FOR AND I WAS WONDERING IS IT POSSIBLE TO PLAY A MIDI KEYBOARD TO SOMEONE ELSE DAW.
SIMPLY PUT CAN REALLY BE APART OF SOMEONES SESSION THOUGHT ONE OF THE APPS, LIKE A AUDIOMOVERS. THANKS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
Which one effects product you use for your videos and give in your videos your Instagram Facebook TH-cam ?
Hi thanks alot for this video. I have a doubt with audio movers means audio can be heard thru it and then call thru zoom ? I mean how to stream it live with zoom
I find that using my Focusrite Scarlett 816 3rd Gen, with Logic works directly as original sound, without having to use OBS etc, I recorded all options into a zoom meeting to test, and this routing was best sound. I use software monitoring in Logic to add plugin sounds to the mix, I didn't find that OBS, Blackhole etc were any better, but just more complex. I set zoom options as in this video, but switch off HI Fi option as this also effects listeners bandwidth and stability, and your own, unless you use ethernet. I use an AKG Lyra USB Mic and create a multi in out paired with the Scarlett and use this for input in Logic, output is then Scarlett. The AKG sound as good as my Rode NT1 in this set up and easier.
But with vb meter you get latency with playing. I've got a setup with restream (reaper vst) on master channel locally broadcasts the audio and vb meter picks it up. You get a little bit of latency between picture and sound but no latency in cubase
What was the difference in quality between Loopback and Audiomovers? I already have Loopback so would ideally like to stick with that one, but just wondered!
Great information here :) What about VST Connect Pro directly from Cubase ? i think they made some adjustments in this last version
But the other person has to download and use VST Performer, you can not route it into zoom and you can just have one guest.
@@SOUNTH11composingdesign yes right, just One person
Interesting. I'm doing my best to fight technology but it's not going very well at the moment. PS - Brad, what happened to the barnet?
Never used Loopback, but I have been using Audio Hijack from Rogue Amoeba for a long time, and is an excellent piece of software. So i can imagine that Loopback would also be good.
Its the business - so easy to use and exccellent
I switched recently - loopback is worth the small investment for zoom and online music collabs.
When you link a DAW into Zoom, is it possible to have one track be my voice and another track be my amp sim? This would be for teaching guitar lesson.
In Clearwater Florida and have written several original songs including Christian. Struggling and believe God gave it to me for a reason. Play acoustic/vocals and have been a local artist and played several events. Only have guitar and professional PA
I'm looking for your tutorial where you so how to connect Vienna ensemble pro in 2 computers.where is that tutorial???😍
Hi Guy. As much as I really appreciate all of your great videos, why is there no mention of OBS? Surely, OBS is the best way to go on broadcasting over the web as championed by so may other knowledgeable parties on this channel. It seems your methods described here are somewhat over complicated.
Hi Guy,
I hope you're doing well.
I'm actually in the process of upping my TH-cam content and am really in need of a way to stream my audio from Cubase 11 Pro, and mic setup to OBS. I've tried voicemeter, but for some reason, I haven't been successful with this software. Anyway you can tell me what you use to record audio from your Cubase sessions into OBS while also recording in real-time your session view of Cubase? (Are you using ListenTo yourself? Or some other software)
Thanks in advance.
Thanks, Guy! Great content! How about a video on how you use OBS to get Cubase and Zoom to play nicely together?
Amen to that
Im not a huge OBS fan but some of my team use it so maybe yes
@@ThinkSpaceEducation Fair enough. In my experience Cubase wants to "take over" audio exclusively on Windows machines so I would be interested in how you overcome that when you teach and stream while running Cubase
@@ThinkSpaceEducation what's your preferred alternative Guy? Thanks for the response ☺️
I've been having this problem with OBS + Reaper + My audio interface which is a Komplete Audio 6 on PC. I've recently found a workaround which is to use the FL Studio ASIO Driver. To get it all you need to do is install the trial version of FL Studio (you don't even need to run it). It's not perfect caus the buffer setting can only go as low as 256, so depending on what you're up to it may or may not be suitable :)
Edit: Or as suggested below using the spdif out if your audio interface has one and sending that straight into your computer's audio in
I have a PC and use sibelius and I just recently got speaker monitors that have to use a focusrite box which is what I have. And now I can't go to sibelius while using zoom without losing audio on zoom and if I screen share they can't hear my audio
Loopback is great, but Ginger audio is really good for free
So do I need Loopback or ListenTo or both?
I tried Voicemeeter before. Never could get it to work properly. In the end it was too much trouble to use it, although I just need audio for online classes, not routing my DAW. Since I'm on PC, we don't have another option, it seems.
Maybe I'll try again if I need to. Thanks for the video.
See other comments for some good alternatives!
Another solution you may want to look at is the Revelator solutions from PreSonus. Loop back functionality is built right into these hardware units. One being a Usb Mic and the other an Interface.
That sounds great! Thank you
@@ThinkSpaceEducation Your welcome Guy, thank you for all that you do. Love your videos!
Hi Guy, I'm a singer trying to record with a remote jazz trio via zoom. The purpose of the recording is for employment for all parties for cruise work. Would loop back be my best bet for this? Is what I want to do even possible? Thank you in advance.
Sorry for commenting on a year old post! I've been trying to Zoom chat with these film makers and show them the music I am putting to the scenes. For the life of me I couldn't get Zoom, Big Blue Button, Teams or anything to play the audio from within my daw. I felt like a right fool. So if I get this right, it cannot be done without extra software?
AAAh brilliant, that's better. 😎🤓👓❤
On PC I use Software loopback on my RME Fireface 800 and Voicemeeter potato.
Voicemeeter only works with someinterfaces - it hates forcusrite for example
Hey Guy, my non-techie neighbor is trying to do a meditation Webcast on Zoom with a 3DIO Binaural mic. To get the audio into her MAC, she’s going into a Focusrite Scarlet 2i2 USB interface. We changed all her ZOOM settings according to your instructions. We changed her Zoom profile setting to “Allow users to select stereo audio in their client settings”. She also changed all the required settings in her Zoom app. I assume that since the scarlet 2i2 only has two XLR jacks, it would only have two outputs going to the Mac through USB, so it shouldn’t have to go through any virtual audio device like Blackhole. We tested it out, by having her invite me to a zoom meeting. I excepted her invitation in two places, my Mac and my iPhone. I made sure that I clicked the button that enables “ original sound for musicians”. Everything I heard, was coming through both sides of my headphones in other words, mono. She was monitoring the audio on her scarlet 2i2 and said that she could hear it on the left and right sides when she whispered into the left and right ears of the microphone. Any idea which step I am missing on the receiving end or somethings she might be doing on the sending end?
Oh , by the way, I called my Neighbor a “Non-Techie” but I’m really not that much more techie than her, so…. If you have a chance to answer this…Dumb it down for me please. 😂
Guy, I have a question. Which one of the following libraries would you choose as your first library? Abbey Road One, BBCSO Core, Albion One or Nucleus by Audio Imperia? If anyone else has a suggestion please chime in.
BBC Core
I suggest BBCSO Core too, it is great for familiarizing yourself with individual orchestral parts! :)
@@ThinkSpaceEducation thank you sir. I have already completed the questionnaire to get Discover free, just waiting on the 14 day download. So BBCSO Core makes a lot of sense. I am also about 1/2 way through the ThinkSpace course on Theory with plans to do How to Write Music next. Thanks again, you are helping prepare for my working retirement by writing and producing for my church network bumper and promo videos as well as hopefully developing a few commercial accounts.
I will this video watch later, it's still in only 360p.
Have you tried Koord?
Whoever use Windows, downlod free audio virtual cable to rout your daw audio to zoom, I have been doing this for about a year no issue.
How can I reach out for help with settings
Zoom doesn't like ASIO. The audio when I tried was a half-step lower for the listener. I use a plugin call Voxengo Recorder. It will capture the DAW output to a file or you can set it to MME and send it to your sound card which Zoom does know how to use. It is 32 bit so either one needs a bridge if their DAW doesn't support 32 bit plugins. Mine supports both 32 and 74. This may be an alternative method. I've only tried it on my system. It is totally free with no nag screens.
Ironic that the video quality for this video is stuck on 360
Me too, text unreadable.
Does it work with 96kHz?
I teach tried everything to teach children to play recorders through Zoom but the program just filtered out the sound .
Had this issue for a long time. I tried everything nothing really worked for me. Only thing that worked for me is an audio interface with loopback functionality. I got Audient interface and it comes with a simple software. Just enable Loopback and voila.
Harware is the most reliable solution
With Guy Michelmore back to Neandertal.
We are in 2021 Guy. We are în time of Dolby Atmos binauricular.
I broadcast direct from my DAW which is Fairlight INSIDE DaVinci Resolve. Why should i use. I do not see any reason to register for a monthly subscription.
I know we are working with Dolby on some atmos training for our students. Solutions only work when a low tech remote client can also take part
Buy an interface with internal loopback. If your interface doesn't have loopback but does have spdif in and out,. connect the output to the input and set your computer's main out to spdif. It works better than software and doesn't use processing power.
Agreed
Ahhh why didn't I think of this! I've spent ages on messing about with this and the spdif is the best solution staring at my face all along -_____-
God, what a great idea to organize a studio in a glass-walled garden
Its a 12x12 home office surrounded by nature. Any acousitic compromises are more than compensated by the specatacular wildlife I see every day
Don't forget to record the attendance ;)
hi guy? slightly unrelated question.....do you have to be an excellent musician to be a great composer?
No - Im not. My keyboard skills are medicore and guitar is worse
I disagree with turning off Echo Cancellation. This will automatically be disabled when turning on Original Sound for Musicians in a Zoom Call. When not sharing your sound, it's best to have that on because it keeps noise suppression on your mic so the others in the call don't hear everything going on in the background.
For the mac user I am it is such a pain to get the sound of my mac out, while I record the screen...Only few solutions exists but not working every time !
Record the output separately on a digital recorder and synch them up in the video editor later. Or use iShowU which has its own audio driver
Guy Michelmore Thanks for the tip Guy, I'll try it.
I'm confused!
Right at this point, we didn't hear the playback!!!
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Hi Guy, is that right, the upload quality is only 360p ? Very blurry. 👓🤓
No its full HD -actually I see what you mean. Let me check
OK - we published it before it finished processing the HD version. Give it a few minutes and it will leap into 1080
@@ThinkSpaceEducation Awesome, cool beans
@@ThinkSpaceEducation ❤😎
0:18 🙋🏻♂️
You didn’t ask Bradley about his T-Rex! 🦖
Discord has a relatively good screensharing sound quality.
The sound doesnt really cut it if you are dealing with clients
@@ThinkSpaceEducation oh ok
for software routing systems like VoiceMeeter, I just gotta say: Voicemeeter is a bit shit. My favorite similar solution is currently ASIO Link Pro, which will give you four desktop inputs for getting software into your daw and four desktop outputs that act as normal microphones for things like zoom to pick up and you can add as many virtual asio inputs and outputs as you want with as crazy a routing as you want with a simple flow chart view for how you set up the routing.
Good suggestion and I agree!
You need to play your piano and have a guitar sound also you need pro tools for drums and bass and a auto interface
Does poor Brad really have his place of work in the storage room, where Guy's never-used sports equipment is? 🤣
That’s brads house!
@@ThinkSpaceEducation oh...
this video is the definition of NEVER GETTIN TO THE POINT! jeeeeeeeesh this was harder than the actual routing part
It still sounded bad both ways in zoom
We at our university use Google Meet, it's just Fing rubbish for music.