To change the direction of rotation of the motors you would have to unsolder any 2 of the motor wires and switch position of them and resolder them back in. That's how you change rotation on a brushless motor
Of course any DC motor brush or brushless can change rotation by changing DC polarity. However the BEBOP's have a closed ecosystem, you can change the direction but it wont be the same. Note the configuration and the non programmable ESC. CW and CCW will have to be CW and CCW or the IMU will make adjustments to the wrong motor.
Forgot to mention changing the direction of one motor will result is an unbalance of rotational torque. The reason they are spinning in opposite direction is to cancel out each others rotational torque, so yes your statement is correct you can change the direction of the BEBOP 2 motors, but will it work, not unless you change all the motors direction to the opposite rotation. Would be much easier to just replace the correct motor with an identical one.
@Anthony For a Brushless DC motor, it is the coil sequencing that determines the rotational direction of the motor. The rotor really has no affect on that. There are two ways to affect the direction. 1) Change the sequence order in the controller/software or 2) swap two of the wires (any 2, it doesn't matter). Since you mention that the direction is different for different motors (A v C) it seems like Bebop is doing #2. Sit the A & C motors next to each other and compare them. Most likely they are swapping the phase wires somehow. Parrot probably uses the same motors; so, the phase order / wire color is probably the same for all the motors. Look at the order the motor wires are connected to the connector. Is the order of the wire colors the same on all the motors? Another option would be if the connector was turned over or backwards between the two. Hope this is the case. If so, a little soldering may be able to turn an A motor into a C motor. Combining this with swapping rotors (which probably never fail) means you can make any motor work for any position.
To make it work on the bebop 2 that has no programmable esc using the correct motor cage needs to be used for A or C regardless of stator. This is because the motor cages can only mount the specific cc or ccw propeller. This video was to answer a question specific to the bebop 2. Now to ask someone to swap polarity, program an unprogramable esc than figure out how to make the prop with the wrong pitch generate thrust in the wrong location without canceling rotation torque? On a diy drones one could go all out with whatever combination their heart desires.
@@ANTHONYVLOG Yes, I know I am probably out of the ordinary. I am an Electrical Engineer and do a lot of DIY. I just thought it would be interesting to know if you could make an A into a C with a small soldering operation. Maybe I'll look sometime; but, so far I haven't needed to. I got my Bebop 2 in Nov; but, it had been the rainy season so I have have only flown it a few times. The sun is out now and I'm headed to the coast this weekend. Still, I hope replacing a motor is a ways off for me.
@@ANTHONYVLOG One thing I like about Parrot is that it has a much more open ecosystem that other drones (such as DJI). I am thinking of playing with the flight and/or control software at some point.
@@connecticutaggie you still cant make an A into a C for the BEBOP with soldering. Because the A cage will only take the A propeller and the Pitch of the A propeller is opposite of the C propeller for that location. :'( Networks engineer here :D
@@connecticutaggie get an F550 and set it up and program it. You will find that DJI although more secure still provide user end programming. Parrot only ships the SDK, so the open source system is not openly configurable. It should be the other way around honestly lol
Nice descriptions good info. But I don't see a valid reason for swapping A's and C's unless you were trying to fly inverted... (Which I also assume would not work, even hand launch/landing.)
I know this vid came out a while ago but I’ve been playing with the old bebop 2 recently after a few years sitting w/a broken frame. Mostly in the interest of setting waypoints and chasing it around w/my fpv quads. Mostly bcuz I have no friends to chase lol. I don’t know what part the ‘motor cage’ is referring to? Is it the connector part that’s attached to the motor w/3 short wires(sits under the motors, where the long motor wires plug in)? I would imagine you could just swap 2 of those wires rather than digging into the main board where(I assume) the esc are?? If the old motors bell wasn’t damaged you could swap that over. In the name of swapping a A->C motor if you didn’t have the correct one I mean.
Hello, the motor cage is the top part that has the magnets. The motor cage is held in by a c-clip on the bottom of the shaft. The bottom part with the wires is the stator. To be honest I haven’t tried changing the wires to see if it would change the direction. You assume right, the ESC is built into the Mainboard.
@@ANTHONYVLOG sorry I meant to edit this. I saw in another of your vids what the motor cage is but thank you for replying! I’ve also heard them refer to as the motor bell. I feel like my suggestion would be a waste of time to try to swap it unless you only had 1 spare motor and it didn’t happen to be the correct one I guess.
Correct Supersport1966. The problem is that the propellers on the C are not the same (rotation to generate thrust) as the A so in reality you can make it work by changing and using say A cage on C stator with A propeller at A position. This video was just to clarity that. Some people have been given the wrong advice on the forums that any motor on the bebop 2 will go anywhere and it will fly.
Hi Eric the brushless motors will need an ESC 9-12V. Without the ESC you wont be able to turn the motor as its brushless and not brushed with a positive and negative polarity. Hope this helps.
Hi, from the video it looked like both motors span in the same direction at the same position/corner. If so just swapping the motor cage so that it accepts the correct propellor will work? correct? I have a damaged bebop 2 A motor from a crash. very difficult to find just motors
Robert Clarke thank you for your comment. From my experiments after changing the motor cage and connecting the stator to the side you want, do a bench test (launch without propellers) to see if it spins the correct way ie: CW and CCW depending on which motor your changing. :)
Soooo I recently pirchased replacement motors for my beebop. They were not parrot branded motors. I replaced them one at a time a to and and c to c. Intitially I ended up with reverse thrust. I said my bad, swapped all the positions thinking that the manufacturer screwed up the labeling. Well now I the back of the drone creating lift and the front reverse. So ANYWAY.... what is the correct position for the motors as in “While the drone is sitting in the landed position and while you are standing at the rear of the drone the A motor should be at the ______________ corner.”
A rear right and front left. I usually dont follow that because some people put the wrong motor cages on the stators and sell them. The only way to simplify it is to look at the rotation of the motors. 0:23 I put a diagram on the video of the rotation.
No bebop e olhe para o seu telefone WiFi, se ele pode ver o WiFi BEBOP. Se puder ver. Do que ir para FreeFlight Pro App toque em conectar, e toque em esquecer que toque em conectar novamente.
Arnoldo Garcia yes in the freeflight pro app main screen tap on the drone name and it will open the drone information. Motor errors will show which one is faulty
@@ANTHONYVLOG But if there is any problem... I can't connect to drone... the red light is flashing (the wifi networks appears, but I can't connect with free flight app)
Arnoldo Garcia the app will still show the last motor error when it was connected. Another thing to do is disconnect the motors and try starting the drone. Normally a motor error should not stop the drone from loading its AP. A cracked mainboard usually does this after a hard fall .
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So, that's how it all works eh? Good info here and thanks!
To change the direction of rotation of the motors you would have to unsolder any 2 of the motor wires and switch position of them and resolder them back in. That's how you change rotation on a brushless motor
Of course any DC motor brush or brushless can change rotation by changing DC polarity. However the BEBOP's have a closed ecosystem, you can change the direction but it wont be the same. Note the configuration and the non programmable ESC. CW and CCW will have to be CW and CCW or the IMU will make adjustments to the wrong motor.
Forgot to mention changing the direction of one motor will result is an unbalance of rotational torque. The reason they are spinning in opposite direction is to cancel out each others rotational torque, so yes your statement is correct you can change the direction of the BEBOP 2 motors, but will it work, not unless you change all the motors direction to the opposite rotation. Would be much easier to just replace the correct motor with an identical one.
@Anthony For a Brushless DC motor, it is the coil sequencing that determines the rotational direction of the motor. The rotor really has no affect on that. There are two ways to affect the direction. 1) Change the sequence order in the controller/software or 2) swap two of the wires (any 2, it doesn't matter).
Since you mention that the direction is different for different motors (A v C) it seems like Bebop is doing #2.
Sit the A & C motors next to each other and compare them. Most likely they are swapping the phase wires somehow.
Parrot probably uses the same motors; so, the phase order / wire color is probably the same for all the motors.
Look at the order the motor wires are connected to the connector. Is the order of the wire colors the same on all the motors?
Another option would be if the connector was turned over or backwards between the two.
Hope this is the case. If so, a little soldering may be able to turn an A motor into a C motor. Combining this with swapping rotors (which probably never fail) means you can make any motor work for any position.
To make it work on the bebop 2 that has no programmable esc using the correct motor cage needs to be used for A or C regardless of stator. This is because the motor cages can only mount the specific cc or ccw propeller. This video was to answer a question specific to the bebop 2. Now to ask someone to swap polarity, program an unprogramable esc than figure out how to make the prop with the wrong pitch generate thrust in the wrong location without canceling rotation torque? On a diy drones one could go all out with whatever combination their heart desires.
@@ANTHONYVLOG Yes, I know I am probably out of the ordinary. I am an Electrical Engineer and do a lot of DIY. I just thought it would be interesting to know if you could make an A into a C with a small soldering operation. Maybe I'll look sometime; but, so far I haven't needed to. I got my Bebop 2 in Nov; but, it had been the rainy season so I have have only flown it a few times. The sun is out now and I'm headed to the coast this weekend. Still, I hope replacing a motor is a ways off for me.
@@ANTHONYVLOG One thing I like about Parrot is that it has a much more open ecosystem that other drones (such as DJI). I am thinking of playing with the flight and/or control software at some point.
@@connecticutaggie you still cant make an A into a C for the BEBOP with soldering. Because the A cage will only take the A propeller and the Pitch of the A propeller is opposite of the C propeller for that location. :'( Networks engineer here :D
@@connecticutaggie get an F550 and set it up and program it. You will find that DJI although more secure still provide user end programming. Parrot only ships the SDK, so the open source system is not openly configurable. It should be the other way around honestly lol
Swap 2 wires over coming out of the ESC that will switch rotation.
Nice one! I’ll try and dig up the bebop 2 and try this out.
Nice descriptions good info. But I don't see a valid reason for swapping A's and C's unless you were trying to fly inverted... (Which I also assume would not work, even hand launch/landing.)
David Kempton there is no reason to. This video is in response to people saying that it is ok to swap them and it will work.
I know this vid came out a while ago but I’ve been playing with the old bebop 2 recently after a few years sitting w/a broken frame. Mostly in the interest of setting waypoints and chasing it around w/my fpv quads. Mostly bcuz I have no friends to chase lol.
I don’t know what part the ‘motor cage’ is referring to? Is it the connector part that’s attached to the motor w/3 short wires(sits under the motors, where the long motor wires plug in)? I would imagine you could just swap 2 of those wires rather than digging into the main board where(I assume) the esc are?? If the old motors bell wasn’t damaged you could swap that over. In the name of swapping a A->C motor if you didn’t have the correct one I mean.
Hello, the motor cage is the top part that has the magnets. The motor cage is held in by a c-clip on the bottom of the shaft.
The bottom part with the wires is the stator. To be honest I haven’t tried changing the wires to see if it would change the direction.
You assume right, the ESC is built into the Mainboard.
@@ANTHONYVLOG sorry I meant to edit this. I saw in another of your vids what the motor cage is but thank you for replying! I’ve also heard them refer to as the motor bell. I feel like my suggestion would be a waste of time to try to swap it unless you only had 1 spare motor and it didn’t happen to be the correct one I guess.
Since it’s brushless, wouldn’t an A motor spin in the C direction if plugged into a C port? No matter which cage is installed.
Correct Supersport1966. The problem is that the propellers on the C are not the same (rotation to generate thrust) as the A so in reality you can make it work by changing and using say A cage on C stator with A propeller at A position. This video was just to clarity that. Some people have been given the wrong advice on the forums that any motor on the bebop 2 will go anywhere and it will fly.
ANTHONYVLOG Ah, gotcha! Good job!
Anthony-do you know what voltage to bench test a bebop motor?
Hi Eric the brushless motors will need an ESC 9-12V. Without the ESC you wont be able to turn the motor as its brushless and not brushed with a positive and negative polarity. Hope this helps.
Hi, from the video it looked like both motors span in the same direction at the same position/corner. If so just swapping the motor cage so that it accepts the correct propellor will work? correct?
I have a damaged bebop 2 A motor from a crash. very difficult to find just motors
Robert Clarke thank you for your comment. From my experiments after changing the motor cage and connecting the stator to the side you want, do a bench test (launch without propellers) to see if it spins the correct way ie: CW and CCW depending on which motor your changing. :)
Motors are everywhere on eBay!
Soooo I recently pirchased replacement motors for my beebop. They were not parrot branded motors. I replaced them one at a time a to and and c to c. Intitially I ended up with reverse thrust. I said my bad, swapped all the positions thinking that the manufacturer screwed up the labeling. Well now I the back of the drone creating lift and the front reverse. So ANYWAY.... what is the correct position for the motors as in “While the drone is sitting in the landed position and while you are standing at the rear of the drone the A motor should be at the ______________ corner.”
A rear right and front left. I usually dont follow that because some people put the wrong motor cages on the stators and sell them. The only way to simplify it is to look at the rotation of the motors.
0:23 I put a diagram on the video of the rotation.
Olá, meu bebop2 não conecta com o skaycontroller 2 o que devo fazer .
No bebop e olhe para o seu telefone WiFi, se ele pode ver o WiFi BEBOP. Se puder ver. Do que ir para FreeFlight Pro App toque em conectar, e toque em esquecer que toque em conectar novamente.
@@ANTHONYVLOG Olá Antony com o celular funciona mas com o skaycontroller não conecta.Obrigado
there is any way to know which motor has the failure?
Arnoldo Garcia yes in the freeflight pro app main screen tap on the drone name and it will open the drone information. Motor errors will show which one is faulty
@@ANTHONYVLOG But if there is any problem... I can't connect to drone... the red light is flashing (the wifi networks appears, but I can't connect with free flight app)
Arnoldo Garcia the app will still show the last motor error when it was connected. Another thing to do is disconnect the motors and try starting the drone. Normally a motor error should not stop the drone from loading its AP. A cracked mainboard usually does this after a hard fall .
Good morning Anthony! ... Excellent review/tutorial video, congratulations ... Best regards ... What's new on our channel? I published new videos with Parrot Disco, I invite you to see ... you are always welcome !!!