I’m glad these murders getting locked up. The goofy stuff I see our people doing is influenced by the music and musicians. It feels like we thrive off of the worse stuff
Then stop marketing and selling your violence to our white children that think that life is something to be admired, stop signing to these white labels and label execs and stop talking about the negative aspects of your life, negativity breeds negativity
@@mukigarang1 No lol. Joe took it like he was saying bring back "real" hip hop, or backpacker, conscious lyrics. Parks was saying bring back when rappers would be talking about gutter shit but not saying it in such a blatant, straightforward way. Like a Lupe, for example.
“But if you DO kill people…” is one of the wildest things I’ve heard. Like bro, you can pick the reason behind it - for there are many - but something is legit wrong with us.
Not US. The ones who are killing. Give us credit where it's due. You're part of the problem saying things like this as if it's all of us. It's a small section.
@@inmhop3729I think you have it the wrong way round my man, the popular music is the negative music, and the most gruesome of it too, drugs, murder, misogyny, degradation, egoism, that's what rap music is now and has been for the past 2 decades, black people worship that, embrace it and push it forward, now you could make the argument that white people consume it but that becomes a blaming game at that point, in the end everything has a price
I’m a grown as man I don’t wanna hear nobody rapping about killing each other. Let bring back fun party music. If you still listen to drill music at 35 you a jkat
There’s an insatiable market for crime stories/cases in media period. All the streaming platforms have a widespread selection of crime dramas and murder mystery documentaries. Music, especially hip hop is subjected to the overall cultural fixation with crime.
The thing is the industry seeked out these criminal first crash out street dudes when those guys weren't real artist in the first place they just decided to rap because of the attention they got
I don't think the media should be blamed for anything dumb the guest says on air- like you said, thats on them- but I do think the media should be blamed for the part they play in negatively influencing the youth by giving these artists a platform in general. The fact that these guys get so successful makes people want to be like them, especially aspiring artists. It's not like 1 rappers lyrics is going to turn some guy into a killer but it isn't just 1 artist, it's at least a couple hundred relatively successful rappers promoting this kind of ideology. Everyone's welcome to opinion, but I personally do believe art influences. Listening to murder music doesn't mean you'll be a murderer but it normalizes the subject in your mind. And if you like the songs, then subconsciously, at least, in some form, you are going to associate positive feelings with that topic. I play that music from time to time, and i enjoy it. It is what it is. But just giving my thoughts. I personally feel the media has blood on their hands too
This was a good segment piece but if you wanna laugh at a quick audio sound bite from Joe, keep double tapping to the left every time after Joe says "alright". "Internet, internet". 🤣😭
@@jamarkindrick7011that’s all Chicago mfs do. All the killing be over vengeance and clout. Them mfs wasn’t beefin over money or something to actually gain.
I don't agree with Ice's pov on the bloggers. The fans are the ones who are really killing each other, the fans are eating up & living by those same thing cuz they don't have the money to hide.
This is real grown man talk . From grown ups somewhat . Some of the drill raps from 2012 Chicago was just guys who lived in real close proximity to each other, went to the same schools disliking each other and doing violence against the other . Then rapping about it . If you the suburbs somewhere , O block is as real as Narnia.
Need those 60 minutes edits...where you let the guest say the wild shit in B roll..muted and narrate what was said before they cut back to the actual interview. Hey Lamont...STOP CUTTING PeOPLe OFF
People went to the colosseums to watch gladiators. People watch the ufc, boxing, a lot would say football was better when players were getting their heads cracked the thrill of violence is in everything
Yea get with Tim and Swizz and do a versus battle something freestyle, basketball, boxing, and that paintball shhhhht make some money and settle things that they can laugh about in ten twenty years
What Ice is trying to say @ 6:50 is that I wanna hear you express yourself on record but like the 90s was don't actually do it just get more technical and better wit the raps lol
To kill or not to kill. This is a wild post to hear adults speak. I am glad that I moved on from the new music that's in the air. The music I like don't require anyone to die. People with zero training carrying guns in public. The average rapper won't even get a valid driver's license.
@@unrulypj804TRUST ME! Nobody is obsessed with DRAKE! 😂 Ain’t he trending for mean mugging DROSE because of Kendrick?? He worried about the wrong sht right now 😂
It's so corny to hear supposedly grown men - with children, no less - talking this mess about enjoying hearing young black men talk about killing each other. A damn shame that these are the goofballs who have a platform and have the ear of the people.
@@coreyyoung6052I’ve noticed, as I get older my love for Hip Hop isn’t goin anywhere and my love for the craft can make me overlook some of the lyrics. But I can’t listen to straight killing anymore, not even to workout. Just gets old eventually and the negativity does take a toll. Not as bad as being in the hood I’ll be honest that shit fucked my spirit up for years.
The content in music can't change until the reality of what life is like being from the hood changes. It's a bigger problem than hip hop, durks music journals what would happen if a bunch of people were raised in concentration camps(hoods).
They pressed TLR when the mf from oversees. He shouldnt be able to make his 4hour long videos. When you put everything on the internet, public forum, anybody can do whatever with it. Dont want ppl to make documentaries on your crimes before youre even charged, dont put the shit on wax and on ig.
I'll just say that as a CIVILIAN.. I personally want to see the exploitation of lil B's hood assassin story😂 There's NO WAY a 🥷🏾 was out here dressing up like a homeless man, a woman, and popping out of garbage bins, just to slide on 🥷🏾s, for his story to NOT become a movie.. PAH-LEASEEEEE😂😂 He's allegedly responsible for over 7 bodies, never bragged about it, and died by 5-0.. THAT'S LEGENDARY!💀
Accountability goes a long way, environmental stimuli play a vital role in people's choice, clout chasing is at an ALL time high & please know the Feds play the LONG game...
Whn Foolio got ejected, Youngenace put a song out specific to Foolio's death within 24hrs after he was violently ejected from his life. Video received millions of views, given suspect/accomplish vibes. Yet buddi collected a phat bag off the dead and added a couple other bangers insinuatin it too. Like beginning of this video .... The chat done solved it and made it sound open n shut.... But it's actually so in your face you can understand why. He's not arrested🤷🏾♂️. Most of these ngas are posers and insinuate real events like they were involved knowing they weren't and nothing will be done to them.
don't kill people... leave the message at that. once you start saying shit like "don't rap about it" you are slipping into the very blurred lines of promotion of violence and other illegal shit.
what you want bloggers to act like street niggas? they job is to blog. that's like me getting mad at someone making fries who work at McDonalds, it's in there job disruption lmao.
Bro these bloggers and TH-camrs getting paid millions for clicks due to reporting on the ignorance of self snitching...its not their responsibility to keep somebody that does REAL LIFE crime safe. Especially to the detriment of their cash flow
My humble opinion..art reflects life...wanting the art without the action doesn't work It'll only continue to be a sick cycle. If we could change our taste and consume better art we can begin to heal and create a better reality but again that's just my humble opinion. Becoming more creative in how we kill people in songs is the same as saying we need to become more creative in how we kill people in reality. The influence is too intoxicating to think that we could handle consuming this form of art without negative consequences. Accepting this as entertainment is acceptance of the decline of a lot would be strong good people.
The drama is exciting even if people's lives are getting ruined. It's just human nature. People couldn't wait for their favorite creators to talk about Durk's arrest, they not terrible people they just insulated from the realities of those involved so it feels like a movie. Hence phrases like "slide for Von".
I miss the old Joe , this new dude won’t give us a take , won’t comment on Drake , gives us a lazy opinion
Censorship at its finest
Smh fr. But that’s also how you know he’s getting that sponsorship bag.
He's industry now. I remember him and charla going back and forth about whose more industry😂. They both are.
Also he said he didnt want to talk about drake nomore cuz hes tired lol
@@KiDDSOMfRADD10 "I make a million dollars whenever someone beefs with Drake" - Joe Budden
MF DOOM: Rap snitches, tellin' all their business
Sit in da court and be their own star witness
In the courtroom be they own star witness
You see the perpetrator yeah he’s right there mess around and got the whole label sent up for years SMH
Damn whats that song name? That beat was crazy
@ rap snitches
Just don’t kill peoples dummy…
We need to stop saying “clout”. Call it for what it is , Attention
Sick of hearing “clout”
Nah it’s clout, Chicago drill made that word go viral, just like “thot” “opps” ect
Same definition,different word
I don’t need an explanation.
Attention just seems like the more severe word
Marc is referring to dj vlad for those who missed it
How
I’m glad these murders getting locked up. The goofy stuff I see our people doing is influenced by the music and musicians. It feels like we thrive off of the worse stuff
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Then stop marketing and selling your violence to our white children that think that life is something to be admired, stop signing to these white labels and label execs and stop talking about the negative aspects of your life, negativity breeds negativity
3:33 - "The solution to all this is don't kill people" i about spit out my coffee.
The fact it even needed to be said is pathetic 💀
Parks saying “bring back poetic records” flew straight over Joe head lol…..
Nope he replied "Bring back Rawkus records!"
@@mukigarang1 No lol. Joe took it like he was saying bring back "real" hip hop, or backpacker, conscious lyrics. Parks was saying bring back when rappers would be talking about gutter shit but not saying it in such a blatant, straightforward way. Like a Lupe, for example.
I realized a while ago that Durk was saying that he retaliated on multiple songs.
“But if you DO kill people…” is one of the wildest things I’ve heard. Like bro, you can pick the reason behind it - for there are many - but something is legit wrong with us.
Not US. The ones who are killing. Give us credit where it's due. You're part of the problem saying things like this as if it's all of us. It's a small section.
@@inmhop3729I think you have it the wrong way round my man, the popular music is the negative music, and the most gruesome of it too, drugs, murder, misogyny, degradation, egoism, that's what rap music is now and has been for the past 2 decades, black people worship that, embrace it and push it forward, now you could make the argument that white people consume it but that becomes a blaming game at that point, in the end everything has a price
Id rather be a hypocrite than a murderer. 😂 😂
@@jp11388 well you are weak
@@BristolBergholy shit 😂😂😂😂 unreal
Yea that did not make sense. Either way he is a hypocrite on this one.
@@BristolBergand you strong Internet tough person
Of course Marc Lamont Hill wants to blame the bloggers 😂😂 zero accountability
The moral of the story is, that murder sells
Only in Amerikkka
Sin sells
“Hurry up and pump it up!” 😂😂😂
Ish with the knees out ripped jeans wtf!? 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The rappers are the biggest snitches they doing the police work ..
Always remember when it comes to the media if it bleeds it leads
I’m a grown as man I don’t wanna hear nobody rapping about killing each other. Let bring back fun party music. If you still listen to drill music at 35 you a jkat
There’s an insatiable market for crime stories/cases in media period. All the streaming platforms have a widespread selection of crime dramas and murder mystery documentaries. Music, especially hip hop is subjected to the overall cultural fixation with crime.
Really intelligent conversation about this new hip hop music era. The social media effect and the rap artist seeking clout.
The thing is the industry seeked out these criminal first crash out street dudes when those guys weren't real artist in the first place they just decided to rap because of the attention they got
Reddit please run with "Old man Joe"
both parties arent responsible , if you're dumb enough to go on the internet and snitch on yourself you belong in jail .
I don't think the media should be blamed for anything dumb the guest says on air- like you said, thats on them- but I do think the media should be blamed for the part they play in negatively influencing the youth by giving these artists a platform in general. The fact that these guys get so successful makes people want to be like them, especially aspiring artists. It's not like 1 rappers lyrics is going to turn some guy into a killer but it isn't just 1 artist, it's at least a couple hundred relatively successful rappers promoting this kind of ideology. Everyone's welcome to opinion, but I personally do believe art influences. Listening to murder music doesn't mean you'll be a murderer but it normalizes the subject in your mind. And if you like the songs, then subconsciously, at least, in some form, you are going to associate positive feelings with that topic. I play that music from time to time, and i enjoy it. It is what it is. But just giving my thoughts. I personally feel the media has blood on their hands too
"Shouldn't blamed for anything dumb the guest says on air" by 'dumb' I mean the media only shouldnt be blamed if the guest snitches on themselves
Exactly
Never seen Ice eyes before 🤣
The Wayans brothers, literally parodied the whole telling on yourself scenario in their movie, dance flick!
and if you are listening to the music everyday, what difference does it make if you go and watch the blog about it?
He’s right about South Carolina. I’m from there😂
Airports ain’t in the slums is BS right down the street from Newark airport is the trenches
Self snitching at a all time high, errybody be wanting to go to jail 😂
This was a good segment piece but if you wanna laugh at a quick audio sound bite from Joe, keep double tapping to the left every time after Joe says "alright". "Internet, internet". 🤣😭
He right about Cleveland don't do
respect to Marc for that very mature and realistic take!
great comparison to the gross kiddie market
Durk gotta be smarter than that.. bottom line.. no clout is worth a life sentence.
He gotta be smarter than what? Murdering somebody? No shit, huh?!
@ededdandeddytv5164 Rapping about it.. Crashin out for vengeance is personal.. things get sloppy when it's personal.
@@jamarkindrick7011that’s all Chicago mfs do. All the killing be over vengeance and clout. Them mfs wasn’t beefin over money or something to actually gain.
You love to hear them talk about killing each other.... but don't kill each other. Man stop. Please. Trash. Off on this one. Way off sheesh.
I don't agree with Ice's pov on the bloggers. The fans are the ones who are really killing each other, the fans are eating up & living by those same thing cuz they don't have the money to hide.
and marketing murder is a thing... i did a whole 30 page research paper on the history of murder lmao... it has its affect
This is real grown man talk .
From grown ups somewhat .
Some of the drill raps from 2012 Chicago was just guys who lived in real close proximity to each other, went to the same schools disliking each other and doing violence against the other . Then rapping about it . If you the suburbs somewhere , O block is as real as Narnia.
Marc Lamont Hill looks like Oscar from Shark Tales, respectfully
😂😂😂😂
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😂😂😂😂😂😂
And Floyd Mayweather
Facts 😂😂
Need those 60 minutes edits...where you let the guest say the wild shit in B roll..muted and narrate what was said before they cut back to the actual interview. Hey Lamont...STOP CUTTING PeOPLe OFF
AK war in chiriq started all this shit!!
The game got destroyed immediately after letting this Chicago Drill music in the industry
Damn Ice brought back the Joe Budden High Beard
People went to the colosseums to watch gladiators. People watch the ufc, boxing, a lot would say football was better when players were getting their heads cracked the thrill of violence is in everything
12:01 AMP👀…I hope yall listening.
Yea get with Tim and Swizz and do a versus battle something freestyle, basketball, boxing, and that paintball shhhhht make some money and settle things that they can laugh about in ten twenty years
You always keep it interesting!
What Ice is trying to say @ 6:50 is that I wanna hear you express yourself on record but like the 90s was don't actually do it just get more technical and better wit the raps lol
Great conversation black men
To kill or not to kill. This is a wild post to hear adults speak. I am glad that I moved on from the new music that's in the air. The music I like don't require anyone to die. People with zero training carrying guns in public. The average rapper won't even get a valid driver's license.
Drake or 21 savage still have yet to post “free durk”. Matter fact none of his celebrities friends said it. 😂that’s crazy
🔥
Post-Diddy, nobody really supporting anybody outside of the strip hop girlies right now….
y’all mfs are obsessed with drake .. lmao nobody really has outside of women .
Patience that's not until the actual trial
@@unrulypj804TRUST ME! Nobody is obsessed with DRAKE! 😂 Ain’t he trending for mean mugging DROSE because of Kendrick?? He worried about the wrong sht right now 😂
Actions meet Consequences.
It's so corny to hear supposedly grown men - with children, no less - talking this mess about enjoying hearing young black men talk about killing each other. A damn shame that these are the goofballs who have a platform and have the ear of the people.
It's the honest truth. We consume music with artist talking about kill this or killing that whether that "killing" is actually true.
@@coreyyoung6052I’ve noticed, as I get older my love for Hip Hop isn’t goin anywhere and my love for the craft can make me overlook some of the lyrics. But I can’t listen to straight killing anymore, not even to workout. Just gets old eventually and the negativity does take a toll. Not as bad as being in the hood I’ll be honest that shit fucked my spirit up for years.
We enjoy older black or whatever color man rappin it 🤷🏾♂️
Who cares
The content in music can't change until the reality of what life is like being from the hood changes. It's a bigger problem than hip hop, durks music journals what would happen if a bunch of people were raised in concentration camps(hoods).
admittedly, that idea would not be immediately obvious to me
Bro told Joe… “go on head’ and pump it up!” when he was putting in that gas while lacking 😂😂😂😂
Bro said what time is that lol
They pressed TLR when the mf from oversees. He shouldnt be able to make his 4hour long videos. When you put everything on the internet, public forum, anybody can do whatever with it. Dont want ppl to make documentaries on your crimes before youre even charged, dont put the shit on wax and on ig.
Is he actually advocating for covering up violent crime?
That is how unethical people rationalize it
You act like your afraid to say how you really feel about ALL SITUATIONS, SPEAK YOUR MIND!!
When Dee 1 was saying these things, Joe bashed him.
Naw he just a goof
This generation will snitch on themselves and each other 🚮 3:44
I'll just say that as a CIVILIAN.. I personally want to see the exploitation of lil B's hood assassin story😂 There's NO WAY a 🥷🏾 was out here dressing up like a homeless man, a woman, and popping out of garbage bins, just to slide on 🥷🏾s, for his story to NOT become a movie.. PAH-LEASEEEEE😂😂 He's allegedly responsible for over 7 bodies, never bragged about it, and died by 5-0.. THAT'S LEGENDARY!💀
People forget God will have the last say!
As a businessman, your responsibility is to your business. Trying to be ethical will kill your business.
Watch what you say & do period! It’s not a blogger fault at all. Hold everybody accountable for there actions so stop it
Welcome to gen Z
Accountability goes a long way, environmental stimuli play a vital role in people's choice, clout chasing is at an ALL time high & please know the Feds play the LONG game...
These guys on this podcast are morally dubious
How you tell stories is unmatched!
Bot.
simple minded Durk
I hope u wasn't one saying slide von a year ago
@ i don’t even like that pathetic little dorks music
did ISH SAY DUSK BRUH .. just tell us the time bruh
Joe will never beat the
Whn Foolio got ejected, Youngenace put a song out specific to Foolio's death within 24hrs after he was violently ejected from his life. Video received millions of views, given suspect/accomplish vibes. Yet buddi collected a phat bag off the dead and added a couple other bangers insinuatin it too. Like beginning of this video .... The chat done solved it and made it sound open n shut.... But it's actually so in your face you can understand why. He's not arrested🤷🏾♂️. Most of these ngas are posers and insinuate real events like they were involved knowing they weren't and nothing will be done to them.
Another tone deaf. Take. Ice being 40+ saying he loves to hear about the murdering but the rappers are dumb.
😂😂😂😂😂 thank you Joe 😅
4:22 😂
don't kill people... leave the message at that. once you start saying shit like "don't rap about it" you are slipping into the very blurred lines of promotion of violence and other illegal shit.
Ice stupid ass “But if you do..”
🤦🏽♂️
❤
3:13
Smh…of course he would say that bs.
What’s being discussed isn’t Hip Hop
Tell bloggers to stop is like telling crack dealers to stop. Their answer is SOMEBODY is gonna do it
12:19
🎯
BLOGGERS ARE LITERALLY READING FEDERAL DOCUMENTS AND YALL SAY POLICE WORK 😂😂😂 THE POLICE ALREADY DID WORK THATS WHY DUDES ARE IN JAIL
what you want bloggers to act like street niggas? they job is to blog. that's like me getting mad at someone making fries who work at McDonalds, it's in there job disruption lmao.
I like Marc on there can’t lie
Damn, we gotta do better as a people man. This shit is crazy
WHY Did They Have To Go Off Topic? It Was Just Getting WORSE!!
Remember when Joe wasn’t afraid of what people thought lol
If you live in a society where you cannot go to a gas station after dusk, you need a military intervention
Bro these bloggers and TH-camrs getting paid millions for clicks due to reporting on the ignorance of self snitching...its not their responsibility to keep somebody that does REAL LIFE crime safe. Especially to the detriment of their cash flow
My humble opinion..art reflects life...wanting the art without the action doesn't work It'll only continue to be a sick cycle. If we could change our taste and consume better art we can begin to heal and create a better reality but again that's just my humble opinion. Becoming more creative in how we kill people in songs is the same as saying we need to become more creative in how we kill people in reality. The influence is too intoxicating to think that we could handle consuming this form of art without negative consequences. Accepting this as entertainment is acceptance of the decline of a lot would be strong good people.
These kids live in GTA...
Don't kill people period
This ladies and gentlemen is the culture. Really terrible gloried killers
as a ... that gets gas... LOL
Ish ain’t lying. If you ain’t from Cleveland, 55th Marathon / Shell or Lee & Harvard BP, any Gas USA keep it moving.
The drama is exciting even if people's lives are getting ruined. It's just human nature. People couldn't wait for their favorite creators to talk about Durk's arrest, they not terrible people they just insulated from the realities of those involved so it feels like a movie. Hence phrases like "slide for Von".
10:27 Most airports in the south are definitely in the slums. What is he talking about.?
The Old Joe might just need Rory again low key…
This is suppose to be our OG by the way
The solution is don't selfsnitch 😊
X-Raided proved a long time ago the police will use your lyrics against you and you’ll get life.
J Cole ain’t never killed shit 😂
Lil Durk is crazy. He let the public pressure him into committing a murder. Smh