See, my theory about the egg getting on board the Sulaco was this: When the Queen ripped herself free from the delivery system, she ended her own life in a manner similar to how a bee ends its own life when it stings something. We see the Queen delivering eggs but stops when she notices Ripley, she very well could have an egg "in the chamber" so to speak as a final measure to secure the survival of the hive with a royal facehugger. This final royal egg would be located just above where the delivery system was attached inside the body of the Queen. The egg then dropped free while chasing Newt as the egg appears to look like it just fell and ended up sticking the wall.
But everyone is forgetting one crucial fact.....the egg was in the cryogenic sleep compartment, not the cargo deck. There is no way that even if the queen had an egg with her that she could have gotten it into the cryogenic sleep compartment 5 decks up from the cargo deck. And saying Bishop did it is a no go also. Even if he brought on onboard the drop ship he was then immediately ripped in half negating an chance that he could have planted it in the cryogenic sleep compartment. Unfortunately the only explaination for this is....20th century fox needed a way to make a sequel, so frak logic, we need an egg in there.
@@tomwhiting6900 Of course you're right about the "needing a sequel" situation. Aliens wasn't written to have a sequel and the writers for the follow up got a little fast and loose. BUT, if you want to try to make up an explanation, the "one egg in the queen's chamber" thing could work. What if the egg was wherever, cargo deck as you say, and this particular one hatched without an organism near to it (the films only imply this is a rule, so it doesn't have to be one). Then, once that face hugger is birthed, that little critter could get into some vents and crevasses quickly enough to get into the cryochamber. Maybe?
@@johnmcnamara8741 that and the fact that once in orbit everyone left the ship with not a single crewman onboard to monitor things. What if the colony's transmitter had been destroyed? No way to pilot the other dropship by remote. They'd have been screwed. Having one person stay onboard would be a logical back up plan.
I always interpreted the line from David regarding hours in a day was a reference to the fact they weren't on earth and therefore weren't rotating at the same rate around whatever star, hence a different amount of hours in the day.
Why is Ridley Scott the authority on all things Alien? He was the director, not the writer. My reaction to most of this was, "There's a 30-year gap between Alien and Prometheus. That's why the continuity doesn't add up, and it doesn't really matter."
Even James Cameron hasn't dared to criticise Prometheus and Covenant, saying that the Alien franchise is Ridley Scott's baby. Pretty much giving Ridley a free pass to do whatever the fuck he wants going forward.
I like to think that perhaps the Space Jockey predates even the Engineers and that the Engineers discovered that ship then retrofitted their technology based off of it. Then they broke down the eggs and transformed them into the Black Goo....that way David really just reverse engineered the Alien species not invented them. That way you can still have it both ways in which the Engineered made us but we still don't know who built the xenos. This would be even more supported if they kept the original Pyramid idea from the original scripts (hell it could still have been there given that the weather was so bad) so the idea of it being a holy ground for The Engineers and the basis of their society. THIS could even make AVPs still canon! AVP is still canon in the Predator Universe weirdly enough lol as it is referenced in the terrible 'The Predator'. That Bishop answer is kind of genius lol. I always thought that the Royal Facehugger might be in some form attached to the Queen and got into the ship by hitching a ride on the Queen. Great video!
I agree with this assessment. The movies support this theory. The Engineers did not create the Xenomorphs and may actually have worshipped them. My theory is that the space jockey may be a way older version of the Engineers and the Prometheus version is only a later, genetically modified version of the race. It is shown that the Engineers revere biological constructs over electronic ones (see the reaction to David by the engineer and the organic feel of their ships, technology, and buildings) and may have fiddled with their biology to optimize their space seeding. They use suits similar to the forms of their ancestors out of reverence. Alternately, the Engineers we see could be a special breed of space jockey that resulted from a seeding program and the new Engineers took over the job of the space jockeys. I could write a whole alternate canon on just that idea.
@@michaellangwaller One thing that seems to agree is that the size of the Space Jokey and its' age do not fit the Prometheus lore. Still, I think Scott just wanted to retcon the old stuff and didn't bother with the details. E.g. in new movies Engineer ship don't seem biological, they seem to be made of stone. And I absolutely hate that... I also have a huge head canon in which the Engineers and human race are just artificial breeding constructs seeded aeons ago by xenomorphs who are actualy a hyper advanced (but lacking self-awareness and culture/society being instinct-driven) species which is currently dormant waiting for a better thermal condensation of the universe. However, I am afraid Ridley Scott is radicaly uninterested in anyone else's ideas.
I like your theory about Bishop & the egg. I think that's a good explanation. Being an android- he might not even be aware of his "secret programming" that might compel him to stash the egg, no matter how good his intentions are consciously. Good theory!
I love Ridley Scott, but he has a terrible habit of cutting things that don’t need to be cut. Blade Runner, Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven, and Jerry Goldsmith’s Legend score are prime examples of this. Prometheus and Covenant were just the latest victims. You say that David straight up invented the Xenomorph in Covenant. He actually did not. Granted, this wasn’t very well explained, but David merely discovered what the Engineers had already created centuries before, and was trying to replicate it. He was having trouble at first, before the Covenant arrived, because wiping out the Engineers on the planet left him without potential hosts. I think the derelict in Alien was there long before the Covenant ever took flight. Perhaps we’ll get some more deleted scenes in the future that explain things better, like Prometheus. Maybe even a proper director’s cut, since that’s often the best way to see his films, because like I said, the man cuts WAY too much stuff, lol.
Is he usually the editor of his films? I ask only because unfortunately producers and editors love to cut, cut , cut a film into incoherent messes and it’s usually not the director fault. A lot of producers don’t let the directors film the movie they want. But Ridley Scott is very well known so he might be able to pull strings.
In reply to your second comment he does specifically state David was recreating it not creating it in the last answer in the video about AVP being canon.
I have covenant on steel book edition. There are hours of bonus material in which you can even read David's notes. The xenomorph was created by David. Facts. He used parts from Shaw, baby engineers, creatures from the planet and the black goo to create the perfect organism.
For question 4,i think its a little self explanatory. In expanded universe and colonial marines,its said that the chestburster DOES attach itself to the main organs of the chest cavity and extracts nutrients/blood from the host to grow. Androids dont have internal or vital organs and their blood isnt exactly like a humans,so the chest burster wouldn't really stick. A better question is the up in the air debate on how the facehugger works. Does it actually insert an egg into the chest region or does it shoot down specialized tumors that grow into the chestburster? It makes more sense to say the facehugger would avoid or ignore an android since it's biology isn't suitable or viable for an attack.
Yes I always believed it needed some kind of human or at least natural host animal / human etc Otherwise the corporate people would have simply infected one of their own androids It’s just a guess I suppose
as for question #4, i always assumed the Queen just had that egg in her. before Ripley kicked down the proverbial nest door, she was attached to that ovipositor and we can see eggs flowing through it. when the queen has to suddenly and painfully rip herself off it, she was probably still in the middle of producing those eggs. in all the excitement of her getting on the ship, her whole brood dying, and hunting the ones that she knows did it, i always figured she intentionally changed the egg she still had in her using pheromones like an ant or bee. that piece of dialogue can retroactively be looked at as foreshadowing even.
I've had the pleasure of meeting Lance Henriksen in person at a con, once. Lovely gentleman, what a legend! Unfortunately I never asked him about Bishop II, it honestly never crossed my mind, & Alien 3 is hardly a fav of mine anyway. But I agree with Lance's own theory that Bishop II is probably an android, a special hybrid that could be a one of a kind model/version, hence why it is made to seem even more human. Not just the red "blood" - just because it's red & not white in this case does not prove it's real blood - but also that Bishop II seems more emotional, acting far more like David actually. And even if David did not exist by a longshot in the franchise when Alien 3 was made, if you wanna connect some possible dots you can argue now as an afterthought that Bishop II was not the first too emotional android. And from what we do see of Bishop II in Alien 3 it makes more sense that he is an android. He is creepy as hell. He was indeed sent as a familiar "face" for Ripley but that just increases the creepy factor, which serves a horror flick like this. We also know that Bishop II lies. He first claims he's there to help Ripley, to save her & remove the alien & have it destroyed. But as soon he realizes she intends to kill herself, taking the unborn queen with her, he reveals his true agenda, he wants the alien & very much so alive. Much is not clear about Bishop II but it is clear he is a liar. So he may say he is human & that the Bishop Ripley knew was made in his image. But that can be all BS. And, as many point out as well, Bishop II gets one hell of a blow to the head so the ear hangs off him. There's no way a human would still be awake, perhaps not even still alive after such a hit. And be so calm about his ear hanging like that. I agree with Lance, I think Bishop II is an android, one of his kind, one that no longer has the white blood.
I agree with him too. I'm sure someone has argued that adrenaline has kept people moving and fighting through worse injuries, but, I don't think it would apply in that scene
According to the sources I've seen, the egg on the Sulacco was an emergency egg laid by the queen on board the ship, knowing that she might die, and the egg contained both a regular and a royal facehugger.
bishop did not bring the egg on board the ship as it's been shown in the comics, the queen alien can drop another egg even if she does not have herself attached to the egg sack, she could have had another egg ready to drop from her after she ripped free of her egg sack to go after Ripley.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again; i always upvote your vids, but Unanswered Questions will always be my favorite series on this channel. (Just leaving a comment to maximize engagement, for algorithm reasons)
The egg on the Sulaco? I think there’s a reasonable third solution that also explains the other anachronisms in the film: the whole movie is a nightmare Ripley has in cryosleep. Accepting the “Bobby Ewing” solution allows for the deaths of Newt, Hicks, and Bishop; explains the bizarre change to the Sulaco’s appearance as well as the cryopods being changed to resemble the ones from the Nostromo; as well as all the other nightmare imagery and dream logic throughout the movie. Of course, I highly doubt this was The intention of Fincher or anyone else, but in retrospect it works, and viewed through this lens it makes Alien3 (the assembly cut anyway) into a pretty decent flick.
The funny thing is they backtracked on giving it an origin in the novel to covenant where it's explained that Xenomorph eggs were already on the planet before David got there and all he did was make his own interpretation of the xenomorph
@@anubusx yeah but atleast they did fix it up a little although you actually have to find the answers in other media rather than the movies, David created the praetomorphs (yes that is the actual name of the covenant xeno) to be a more advanced version of the xenomorph that he saw as perfect which is pretty in line with his character
I always thought ash was struggling with that old law of never harming a human, the edginess before breaking quarantine, his wierd murder method considering his physical strength, like his programming was hastily tweaked before boarding the nostromo, the actor's performance to me portrays some inner struggle. Might have to look at bishop through the same lense after you brought it up, the scene where he's dissecting the facehugger might show something, where spunkmeyer couldn't get his attention.
I'm an alien die hard and nerd. I own Prometheus covenant, alien, aliens all steel book edition with loads of extras. Prometheus, covenant, alien and aliens all link up perfectly from a story perspective... watching the bonus material really answers all questions. There are very little mistakes and plot holes within these films, only after Alien 3 do things not make sense. But Ridley Scott has stated more than once than basically alien and aliens are the only thing he considers Canon to Prometheus and covenant
I always thought they explained that Burke put the eggs on the ship before getting killed. Vickers is an android because Weyland needed an Eve for his Adam. Vickers is version 2.0 and designed not as perfect as David. When she calls Weyland "father" it's not literal. She's not biologically his daughter though he did create her. The only way we can really know is if Vickers is an android is we get a close up of her fingertips. In a close-up shot of David with black goo on it before he puts it into the drink you can see the Weyland logo under his fingerprint. I've watched the movie many times and just noticed it because I was always looking at the goo.
@vovVile No, It is explained in the film that Weyland Yutani are NOT the Government anymore... They are just a Business, and they would have to adhere to the same safety protocols as everyone else, but he could sneak past the Embryos if the Victims were in Hypersleep... As outwardly, there are no external signs of infection. Weyland Yutani have Government Contracts and Government backers, but NOT everyone in Government supports them! I am shocked though that we see what happened with teh Alien Queen and NO ONE ever considers the FIRST DROPSHIP... We see it land briefly to release the APC, and then fly away... My Guess has always been it returned to teh Sulaco as Ferro and Spunkmyer play NO FURTHER ROLE until the call for Evac... And there would have to be someone on board the Sulaco if teh call came from teh Marines to say "Game Over Man! Launch the Nukes! We are NOT going to make it!" - The Payload on the Sulaco cannot launch itself! If the Alien Queen can stow itself so fast, Why not a Pretorian? Bear in mind that also with teh filming limitations, We never get a full view of teh back of the Dropship - It is shrouded in Mist as it takes off... Of course this is mere theory, but that would then explain how an Alien got on board the Dropship too! IT NEVER LANDED on LV-426 directly... So how did it get on board and kill Ferro and Spunkmyer? Maybe teh same way teh Queen did, and due to its smaller size (Though still larger than a Normal Xenomorph), It would find the task far easier!
@@Phoenix2312 IIRC the Lt orders them to stay mobile, flying around the colony while they do the initial search, then they're ordered to land a safe distance away while the marines use the IFV to drive to the reactor, where they're still waiting - with the IFV ramp down, since there weren't any enemies that had been seen yet - until the call comes in for evac.
I think Dallas was in on the mission, too. He has access to Mother as the ship's captain, and Ash seems to open the door for the crew in response to Dallas' voice, overriding Ripley's orders to obey quarrantine.
The queen could've had an egg still in her. Delivered it and stashed it. The egg was in the corner ceiling plastered there with their "alien glue" holding it up. I dont think Bishop got to some "alien glue" and plastered the egg in the corner. If he did, we would see the sticky evidence on him. I believe the queen did it.
To answer your question about the queen. If the xenomorphs follow a hive lifestyle like bees or ants, there are other multiple Queens in satellite nests and they usually do answer to one big one at the major high. Here in Florida that's what we figured out so what if there's more than one Queen the whole time and one did sneak on board because like covenant showed they know how to get on board
I just figured a Queen might carry an emergency colony starter egg internally in case she needs to abandon the hive or is threatened She’s shown to be intelligent by operating the elevator, I can believe she’d put it somewhere safe enough on the dropship before attacking Bishop to not be noticed in the aftermath
Just for the record Prometheus took place on Moon LV-223 and the movie Alien/Aliens took place on Planet/Moon LV-426. So it is quite possible the original space jockey was sitting there for thousands of years and fossilized.
The problem with the egg and facehugger being placed on board the ship by Bishop there is a major error with this theory.... Seeing how aggressive facehuggers are and the eggs seem to activate when Humans are around (as seen in the queen's lair) they would of been attacked earlier in the film. Also how could it be activated while they were all in cryo sleep Bishop was in no fit state to do much. At what point could of Bishop collected the egg? As the time for him to do all that seems impossible seeing he had to remote control the dropship from the main ship remotely.... It's just bad writing lol
Question 4; The queen does not need an ovipositor to lay eggs. That organic mechanism is used for placement of the eggs. It's basically to keep her from having to squat, lay an egg, then move over 5 feet over and over. So, yes, she did lay the egg on the sulaco. You didn't see it because it was gestating, not being carried like a football.
I absolutely believe that the Xenos have eyes & that they are located in that "skull" in it's "forehead" & we just can't see the eyes under there. But I also believe that they may not see as we do. The blurriness that Covenant suggested was one of very few original adds to the franchise that was appealing. Either way, I think the adult Xeno sees the world like sharks do. Sharks have eyes but they far more uses senses, electrosenses, to detect & read what exists around them under water. Xenos are highly adaptable in any known environment, including under water & even in outer space. They move just as well regardless where they are & regardless of temperature or pressure (I know too much pressure will of course kill them). And the many games have also suggested throughout the years that they sense movements nearby, just like sharks. This could also explain why the Xenos are so good at stalking & finding their victims no matter their angle of approach. I think the Xenos function like sharks, or like bats as well. We also know they seem to have very good hearing, Alien Isolation proves this better than any other entry. But is that actual hearing, though? Or another sense? Sound vibrates, after all. Turn on a speaker loud enough & put your hand against it & even we can feel the vibrations generated. The point is that we have no clue how the aliens sees, or hears, we just know that they do & extraordinary well. And I truly hope it is never explained. Let's keep something mysterious about them. And it leaves us with the fun to speculate.
If you look into into the website the space jockey is a seperate race of aliens called the Mala'kak who are even taller than engineers and do not wear an exoskeleton and instead look like the engineer wearing the exoskelton. they have elephant face features. Not officially movie cannon but has been written into the books and graphic novels.
Basicaly every second graphic novel, book and videogame has its' own canon. By now we have the main Alien series canon, Aliens expanded universe canon, Alien VS Predator canon (which is self-contradictory in reference to Predator movies), Scott's-alcoholic-senile-rambling-canon, Scott's-expanded-universe-trying-to-fix-senile-rambling-canon and a ton of loose stories in various media which can take part in whatever story canon due to a lack of details. And let's not even begin the topic of "Is Alien 1 deleted egg transformation scene" canon. I absolutely love the movies but the narrative between them is an absolute mess which begun the moment studio execs had no idea what to do with Alien 3 and pushed the movie through a milion makeovers. It only went downhill from there. At least Ressurection was funny.
Haven’t even watched the video yet, I’m right about to, but anytime it’s Unanswered Questions I crack a beer, light a joint, chill and enjoy the video. 😎
There's also the fact that, after gestating inside a 4-legged creature, the Alien3 Zeno moved on all fours. Suggesting that it does draw something from its host. We see zenos in Aliens crawling but only when necessary. Otherwise they're clearly bi-pedal. Whereas the Alien3 Zeno was naturally 4-legged.
I've lost lots of respect for Ridley Scott in recent years. His adaption of Hannibal, sheesh, maybe that book was never going to make all that great of a film, but his adaption missed so many points it's kind of embarrassing.
Hannibal should have been a warning that his Alien prequels were not going to be very good. He has made so much garbage but he gets a free pass because of Alien & Blade Runner.
At the 35:32 mark, that image of the Facehugger on the human, is actually HR Giger's Early Concept Art for the Face hugger!! Look up "HR Giger face hugger" and it is the 2nd image that appears.
It's hard to know if u didn't read the tie-in Alien Covenant stuff or the novel, but David didn't creat the Xenomorph. He recreated it. To see if he could
I have heard that Bishop excuse about the egg on the Sulaco before, but it doesn't cut it. Retrieving an egg would still potentially put people in danger, so if he did have those behavioral inhibitors, that would have contradicted those. He could have still just flown off with Hicks after getting the egg if he could violate those inhibitors. The egg was on the Sulaco, not the Dropship, & when Ripley, Newt & Bishop get off, that is immediately after arriving back. There is no way Bishop could have placed the egg anywhere else, especially without Ripley noticing. Fans can try all they want, but the fact is that the egg on the Sulaco was a lazy contrived plot hole to bring Ripley back. Cameron intended Bishop to be good all along. Retroactively trying to attribute sinister motives to him doesn't work. With regards to the inconsistencies with Ridley Hack's prequels & the original films, its just Scott being a pretentious hack. The reason the engineers were generic pale white guys instead of weird alien creatures is because Scott saw the success Avatar was having & wanted a piece of the pie, so he made his own humanoid creatures instead. I remember when these prequels were initially announced, but then it was later announced they would instead be just set in the same world. And Avatar came out. It was the return to science fiction for Cameron. Major use of 3D. Its main characters were tall humanoid creatures. All of which were in Prometheus. I find it astonishing that there are people that still claim Ridley Scott is superior to James Cameron, even after garbage like Hannibal, & his Alien prequels. Not to mention other worthless crap like that Exodus movie.
Yes. Any science officer or any flight officer knows the quarantine rules and regulations regarding anything alien or harmful to the rest of the crew. In Alan Dean Foster's book you also get that feeling right away.
I like the idea that David is to blame for everything. He was hiding out in the derelict spaceship, then he infiltrated Hadley's Hope, and he finally got onto the Sulaco with some eggs to finish off Ripley once and for all. But he wasn't in Resurrection, since he was owned by Walmart at that point.
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AVP in my view are not canon as Space in the Alien universe is empty and bleak devoid of life, but the Predator Space seems very populated and has plenty of planets for them to hunt on - it's two separate universes - but a fan thing to connect the two. I prefer the bleak Alien universe.
We still don’t have a perfect match to the original alien, it had some bio mechanical aspects, like chrome teeth. I thought that was the next step alien, android hybrid. It seemed that David thought highly of himself and he wanted to create something of himself, like humans do. So he creates a perfect being, impregnates either himself or another android then gives birth to his “child”
Thank you for the time you put into these videos. I listed Unanswered Question as #5 on your poll of most liked videos. All of your videos are great and something had to finish last. I guess I’m saying I don’t have an answer to why UAQ placed where it did. 🤔
Great video. It's hard to ignore the fact that Ridley Scott's attempt to explain the first Alien film in "Prometheus" and "Covenant" was completely unnecessary .
The only possible explanation for Alien 3 is that it (and hence Resurrection) are Ripley/Newt's nightmare in hyper-sleep before they wake up safely on Earth. I always took it that the Engineers are not all dead, one of their ships takes off after David and his creations and wipes them out (Resurrection states the bugs are all but destroyed) but the space jockey is infected. The suit looks different because it is a more advanced model or some form of battle armour.
I agree that the only way an egg could have ended up on the Sulaco would be Bishop, but what if Queenie brought one on her back, then rolled it off into the distance of the Sulaco when or just before she attacked Bishop?
Also with expanded universe material, that connects Prometheus and the later Aliens franchise, the Engineers were in the process of Civil War. In the beginning of Prometheus, the Engineer ship is a circular shaped ship, not the most seen horse shoe shape. In Aliens: Colonial Marines being still canon, shows that during the mission where you make your way through the Engineer ship on LV-426, in the pilots room, through a sequence, a hologram will show that same Circular Engineer ship fighting a Horse Shoe Engineer ship, obviously the Horse Shoe lost and crashed on LV-426 and ties in with that skeleton being thousands of not millions of years old by the point of the Nostromo crew finding it. Again the start of Prometheus shows Earth in it's primordial state with an Engineer "seeding" Earth. Maybe those of the Circular ships were for spreading or creating species that could combat the Xenomorphs of Horse Shoe ship Engineers. But that's just a theory......a Xeno theory!
In the alien covenant novel there were eggs when he first got to paradise, so he didn't invent the og Big chap, he made a newer version of it, one that he sees as perfect
We know that Xenomorphs (at least the Queen) can SEE. Because when Ripley threatened to BURN the EGGS, the Queen backed off. If she couldn't SEE her threaten her eggs, she wouldn't react this way. AND... when Brad Dourif's character threatened to gas Xenos... in Alien 4...
Sadly, the retcon by Ridley Scott with his recent 'prequels' really did so much damage to the ALIEN franchise! Countless people now think David created the 'xenomorphs' - which is in reality, is incorrect as the xenomorphs have been engineered thousands of years before the 'prequel' time-line and that's established in films, books, comic books and games for 40 years!
Oh, and the Queen could easily have a few eggs left over, the egg sac wasn't surgically remove with any precision, just kinda ripped off, so she had "one in the chamber" despite losing the magazine, to use gun terminology
Question 3: Wopudl a Facehugger affect and Android? There is a Canonical Answer and it is found in Allen Dean Foster's Novelisation of Aliens... And extra part is added that was never filmed for the final movie but was scripted where Bishop is making his way to remote Pilot the Dropship... In teh tight Pipes he was sealed into... When at a Junction, A Xenomorph passes in front of him, I wish I had teh novel here now to directly quote it but I will paraphrase here as it details how "Bishop Froze, Androids do not feel fear but the pulses of electricity swirling through his body could easily be interpreted as such, The Creature, even turned to face Bishop before it hissed and sped away..." So, In an Original Script - Xenomorphs CAN tell a difference between a Living Creature and an Android, and they wish to infect Living Hosts! So NO - A facehugger will NOT affect an Android. EDIT: Actually, There is another explanation as to how the Egg got on the ship - Something no one ever thinks back to... Ferro and Spunkmyer... They drop the Marines at teh colony, and more or less immediately take back off... We never see whereabouts they go. But it is possible and feasible that they would have returned to the Sulaco at some point between contacts to pick up further supplies once the Marines has secured the Complex... And we also know that Spunkmeyer on jumping back into the Dropship when the call comes for an Evac puts his hand in some kind of Goo... In other words, As they landed, And Alien got on board teh Drop Ship, Stayed hidden... And from there... Planted Eggs on the Sulaco! Now the only stumbling point here is that the outside when Spunkmyer boards the Dropship looks like they are still Planetside... But that does not figure when you think about it as they play no other role throughout the movie, They stay with the Drop Ship at all times! If they were Planetside - Surely they would have got word sooner that things had gone to shit? I believe Spunkmeyer and Ferro could have inadvertently picked up an Alien in the Dropships Landing Wells, in the same way the Alien Queen Stowed away at the end of the film... Maybe a Pretorian, which can and DO carry eggs... But cannot lay them! A Single Pretorian can carry up to two Eggs, including one for a Queen Facehugger... Once the Dropship returned to the Sulaco, It made its way out... Dropped it cargo before slipping back with an aim to Cocoon Ferro and Spunkmyer but instead the Dropship launched once more and it attacked!
I've heard speculation that Alien 3 is a dream Ripley had while in hypersleep.
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I always assumed microscopic eggs form inside the queen’s body. From there, they move into the ovipositor where they grow and she places them. She ripped away from her ovipositor, so her ass is dripping acidic blood and ovipositor goop, which is likely filled with tiny eggs. A small puddle of this acid & egg-filled goop drips out at some point during the final fight, which melts through the floor, and an egg grows on the ceiling below. Bishop is innocent! (Even if he did grab an egg, why would he mount it on the ceiling unless he was deliberately mounting it above their cryotubes to infect them?)
I agree to an extent. Based on Josh's idea that there is a royal facehugger... I postulate that a queen produces regular eggs in the egg sac but also produces a "royal egg" that only emerges when the egg sack is removed/destroyed. Likely because if the egg sack is destroyed it's likely that the hive is in danger/the queen replaced. So the queen got on board the Sullaco, popped it's royal egg since it was the last of it's hive, died, then later the egg hatches and facehugger royale goes on the hunt. It would make sense it would not hatch right away... It wants to make sure the danger has passed.
Regarding Androids: I think it depends how androids are constructed. When Bishop gets cut, he bleeds liquid. What is it? It's a bit of a stretch but it could be that androids are biomechanical. This would help them blend in better - some of them are robotic and some of them is human. So I think it's possible...but it's a stretch.
"her code was so messed up, it prevented her from running to the left or right..." I know this is my third comment (after I had to clean my drink off my phone from spitting it out hearing that!! LMMFAO I just can't 🤣😅 😆😂)
I've definitely always thought the crew was setup by corporate to investigate the signal. If you watch Ash closely, especially right before the chest bursting scene, Ash is clearly watching and waiting for something to happen. Ash clearly has a hidden agenda to study the creature and hides what he's finding from the crew. The only issue with this is that in Aliens, there would be no need to wait 57 years for Ripley to be found before sending someone else out to visit the derelict spaceship. Wow that is a crazy theory that Bishop put the egg on the ship! I can't believe I've never thought of that! He did say Burke ordered him to preserve specimens to take back. Maybe he didn't have a choice about following his orders?
I believe you're wrong about Bishop and the egg. He gets ripped apart as soon as they land on the Sulaco. When would he have time to get the egg off without anyone noticing, and even if he did, why would he stick it upside down in a corner somewhere and not in some sort of capsule?
I recently watched 2001(1968) a space odyssey in 2022. Its actually the back story to dave wayland. Theres also a time line of battle star galactica, and the recent shows mention a pegasus ship, and they are viper jockeys. Theres even the nebacanezer in the matrix, maybe a spin off from battle star galactica. along with waylan in avp. Seems like predators are the engineers from prometheus and alien covenant.
if queen was laying eggs thru the tubuluar structure, she was probably holding one in her body that didn't complete the process before ripping away and chasing Ripley . . if you didn't finish pooping kind of thing
One of the books had a human using a synth as a drone. She allowed her FEAR to transmit through the synth and a face hugger latched on and injected the genetic material into the androids stomach.
The problem with Prometheus and Covenant is that Scott forgot to watch the original Alien. So best to ignore them....which is what I hope Disney does going forward.
@@35november first time watching this channel and the very first question is a long ramble about something that is explicitly stated in the movie, so confusing the starship names doesn't surprise me at all. Confusing names wouldn't be a big issue in any vid, but for one that's supposedly a deep dive into lore it's a huge red flag. Skip.
One of the 40th anniversary short films shows a facehugger and an android alone together, and the facehugger doesn’t attack her because she’s synthetic.
Also at the end of Aliens DVD ( 2003 and newer I believe) you can hear a facehugger scurry as the end credits are finishing. That would explain "possibly" the extra impregnation on top of bishop's egg. (I've always thought that)
1) david did not create the xenomorph. He REcreated it. 2) the derelect ship is NOT the same ship in prometheus. 3) i dont consider anything after Aliens canon. If we get a conclusion to david's story i MIGHT reconsider those. Alien 3 and resurrection are hypersleep dreams
I DON'T think the whole mission of the Nostromo was to get the Xenomorph. I think they just happened to be the closest ship in the area when the alien becon was discovered. The "company" wanted to be the 1st to get this possible alien tech & since it takes years to travel this far out- they used the only resources they had to retrieve it-
I already knew all that .... 18:45 - the original human Bishop, creator of androids, could have just spent all his life in cryo-sleep so he wouldn't have aged then. So you see, there aren't "unanswerable" questions if you put your mind to it. It's "Game over! Game over, man!!" for your IQ, man ! Still, you get a "like" for your efforts.
So there's a skull beneath the semi-transparent dome of the Alien's head... ...like there was a skull under the transparent dome of Kane's spacesuit. ...ooooOOOooooh.
Okay, I have to call out Bishop II being an android. First off he doesn't get hit on the head. He gets gets hit more on the shoulder and the tip of the wrench catches his ear. Second, if he has red blood why doesn't he just use it? He could have just pricked his finger as proof to Ripley that he's human. Instead it only comes out when he gets smacked, something he couldn't have foreseen.
I think Bishop II was an actor or company agent who whad a face job done to look like Bishop. I'ts the simplest answer which also makes the most sense imho.
I think the reason the company sends a group of space truckers to get the xenomorph instead of a scientific crew is simply that truckers are much more expendable and they’re all expected to be killed anyway.
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See, my theory about the egg getting on board the Sulaco was this: When the Queen ripped herself free from the delivery system, she ended her own life in a manner similar to how a bee ends its own life when it stings something. We see the Queen delivering eggs but stops when she notices Ripley, she very well could have an egg "in the chamber" so to speak as a final measure to secure the survival of the hive with a royal facehugger. This final royal egg would be located just above where the delivery system was attached inside the body of the Queen. The egg then dropped free while chasing Newt as the egg appears to look like it just fell and ended up sticking the wall.
I agree, it's the only thing that really makes sense other than Bishop doing it which there's no real evidence for.
But everyone is forgetting one crucial fact.....the egg was in the cryogenic sleep compartment, not the cargo deck. There is no way that even if the queen had an egg with her that she could have gotten it into the cryogenic sleep compartment 5 decks up from the cargo deck. And saying Bishop did it is a no go also. Even if he brought on onboard the drop ship he was then immediately ripped in half negating an chance that he could have planted it in the cryogenic sleep compartment.
Unfortunately the only explaination for this is....20th century fox needed a way to make a sequel, so frak logic, we need an egg in there.
@@tomwhiting6900 Of course you're right about the "needing a sequel" situation. Aliens wasn't written to have a sequel and the writers for the follow up got a little fast and loose. BUT, if you want to try to make up an explanation, the "one egg in the queen's chamber" thing could work. What if the egg was wherever, cargo deck as you say, and this particular one hatched without an organism near to it (the films only imply this is a rule, so it doesn't have to be one). Then, once that face hugger is birthed, that little critter could get into some vents and crevasses quickly enough to get into the cryochamber. Maybe?
It also doesn't excuse Sulaco's horrible safety procedures. There's a fire- let's not wake anyone up and just shoot them into space.
@@johnmcnamara8741 that and the fact that once in orbit everyone left the ship with not a single crewman onboard to monitor things. What if the colony's transmitter had been destroyed? No way to pilot the other dropship by remote. They'd have been screwed. Having one person stay onboard would be a logical back up plan.
I always interpreted the line from David regarding hours in a day was a reference to the fact they weren't on earth and therefore weren't rotating at the same rate around whatever star, hence a different amount of hours in the day.
Right?!? I always think about that in any SciFi movie that uses earth based time measurements
Why is Ridley Scott the authority on all things Alien? He was the director, not the writer. My reaction to most of this was, "There's a 30-year gap between Alien and Prometheus. That's why the continuity doesn't add up, and it doesn't really matter."
DING DING DING! Give this man a prize!!!
Ridley Scott went in and fucked with the lore after Dan O’Bannon died.
I guess when you start a franchise off and you don’t like what came after you’re entitled to ruin the continuity completely with your own retcons
Even James Cameron hasn't dared to criticise Prometheus and Covenant, saying that the Alien franchise is Ridley Scott's baby. Pretty much giving Ridley a free pass to do whatever the fuck he wants going forward.
@@Euclides287 You know who is a writer though? Walter Hill.
I like to think that perhaps the Space Jockey predates even the Engineers and that the Engineers discovered that ship then retrofitted their technology based off of it. Then they broke down the eggs and transformed them into the Black Goo....that way David really just reverse engineered the Alien species not invented them. That way you can still have it both ways in which the Engineered made us but we still don't know who built the xenos. This would be even more supported if they kept the original Pyramid idea from the original scripts (hell it could still have been there given that the weather was so bad) so the idea of it being a holy ground for The Engineers and the basis of their society. THIS could even make AVPs still canon! AVP is still canon in the Predator Universe weirdly enough lol as it is referenced in the terrible 'The Predator'.
That Bishop answer is kind of genius lol. I always thought that the Royal Facehugger might be in some form attached to the Queen and got into the ship by hitching a ride on the Queen.
Great video!
I agree with this assessment. The movies support this theory. The Engineers did not create the Xenomorphs and may actually have worshipped them. My theory is that the space jockey may be a way older version of the Engineers and the Prometheus version is only a later, genetically modified version of the race. It is shown that the Engineers revere biological constructs over electronic ones (see the reaction to David by the engineer and the organic feel of their ships, technology, and buildings) and may have fiddled with their biology to optimize their space seeding. They use suits similar to the forms of their ancestors out of reverence. Alternately, the Engineers we see could be a special breed of space jockey that resulted from a seeding program and the new Engineers took over the job of the space jockeys. I could write a whole alternate canon on just that idea.
@@michaellangwaller One thing that seems to agree is that the size of the Space Jokey and its' age do not fit the Prometheus lore. Still, I think Scott just wanted to retcon the old stuff and didn't bother with the details. E.g. in new movies Engineer ship don't seem biological, they seem to be made of stone. And I absolutely hate that...
I also have a huge head canon in which the Engineers and human race are just artificial breeding constructs seeded aeons ago by xenomorphs who are actualy a hyper advanced (but lacking self-awareness and culture/society being instinct-driven) species which is currently dormant waiting for a better thermal condensation of the universe. However, I am afraid Ridley Scott is radicaly uninterested in anyone else's ideas.
I like this theory
I like your theory about Bishop & the egg. I think that's a good explanation. Being an android- he might not even be aware of his "secret programming" that might compel him to stash the egg, no matter how good his intentions are consciously. Good theory!
I love Ridley Scott, but he has a terrible habit of cutting things that don’t need to be cut. Blade Runner, Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven, and Jerry Goldsmith’s Legend score are prime examples of this. Prometheus and Covenant were just the latest victims.
You say that David straight up invented the Xenomorph in Covenant. He actually did not. Granted, this wasn’t very well explained, but David merely discovered what the Engineers had already created centuries before, and was trying to replicate it. He was having trouble at first, before the Covenant arrived, because wiping out the Engineers on the planet left him without potential hosts. I think the derelict in Alien was there long before the Covenant ever took flight.
Perhaps we’ll get some more deleted scenes in the future that explain things better, like Prometheus. Maybe even a proper director’s cut, since that’s often the best way to see his films, because like I said, the man cuts WAY too much stuff, lol.
Is he usually the editor of his films? I ask only because unfortunately producers and editors love to cut, cut , cut a film into incoherent messes and it’s usually not the director fault. A lot of producers don’t let the directors film the movie they want. But Ridley Scott is very well known so he might be able to pull strings.
In reply to your second comment he does specifically state David was recreating it not creating it in the last answer in the video about AVP being canon.
I have covenant on steel book edition. There are hours of bonus material in which you can even read David's notes.
The xenomorph was created by David. Facts. He used parts from Shaw, baby engineers, creatures from the planet and the black goo to create the perfect organism.
He keeps saying " Here's the thing..."
but I thought this was a video about Alien(s)???
For question 4,i think its a little self explanatory. In expanded universe and colonial marines,its said that the chestburster DOES attach itself to the main organs of the chest cavity and extracts nutrients/blood from the host to grow. Androids dont have internal or vital organs and their blood isnt exactly like a humans,so the chest burster wouldn't really stick.
A better question is the up in the air debate on how the facehugger works. Does it actually insert an egg into the chest region or does it shoot down specialized tumors that grow into the chestburster?
It makes more sense to say the facehugger would avoid or ignore an android since it's biology isn't suitable or viable for an attack.
Yes I always believed it needed some kind of human or at least natural host animal / human etc
Otherwise the corporate people would have simply infected one of their own androids
It’s just a guess I suppose
as for question #4, i always assumed the Queen just had that egg in her. before Ripley kicked down the proverbial nest door, she was attached to that ovipositor and we can see eggs flowing through it. when the queen has to suddenly and painfully rip herself off it, she was probably still in the middle of producing those eggs. in all the excitement of her getting on the ship, her whole brood dying, and hunting the ones that she knows did it, i always figured she intentionally changed the egg she still had in her using pheromones like an ant or bee. that piece of dialogue can retroactively be looked at as foreshadowing even.
That Requiem bit had me in stitches! Also, 100% with you on the space jockey. Hated what they did in Prometheus
I've had the pleasure of meeting Lance Henriksen in person at a con, once. Lovely gentleman, what a legend! Unfortunately I never asked him about Bishop II, it honestly never crossed my mind, & Alien 3 is hardly a fav of mine anyway. But I agree with Lance's own theory that Bishop II is probably an android, a special hybrid that could be a one of a kind model/version, hence why it is made to seem even more human. Not just the red "blood" - just because it's red & not white in this case does not prove it's real blood - but also that Bishop II seems more emotional, acting far more like David actually. And even if David did not exist by a longshot in the franchise when Alien 3 was made, if you wanna connect some possible dots you can argue now as an afterthought that Bishop II was not the first too emotional android. And from what we do see of Bishop II in Alien 3 it makes more sense that he is an android. He is creepy as hell. He was indeed sent as a familiar "face" for Ripley but that just increases the creepy factor, which serves a horror flick like this. We also know that Bishop II lies. He first claims he's there to help Ripley, to save her & remove the alien & have it destroyed. But as soon he realizes she intends to kill herself, taking the unborn queen with her, he reveals his true agenda, he wants the alien & very much so alive. Much is not clear about Bishop II but it is clear he is a liar. So he may say he is human & that the Bishop Ripley knew was made in his image. But that can be all BS. And, as many point out as well, Bishop II gets one hell of a blow to the head so the ear hangs off him. There's no way a human would still be awake, perhaps not even still alive after such a hit. And be so calm about his ear hanging like that. I agree with Lance, I think Bishop II is an android, one of his kind, one that no longer has the white blood.
I agree with him too. I'm sure someone has argued that adrenaline has kept people moving and fighting through worse injuries, but, I don't think it would apply in that scene
I really loved your digs at AVPR. The movie so dark, the MCU is still trying to match it with their night scenes.
I like to joke that "I watched AVPR but, I can't in good conscience say I've Seen it"
And DC got it down spot on
According to the sources I've seen, the egg on the Sulacco was an emergency egg laid by the queen on board the ship, knowing that she might die, and the egg contained both a regular and a royal facehugger.
But she has no sack to lay the egg?
How? The egg was on the Sulaco, & not the Drop Ship.
Duuuude, Ripley in 3 looked like Glenn Danzig with a shaved head
WHOOOOAAAA-OH!
bishop did not bring the egg on board the ship as it's been shown in the comics, the queen alien can drop another egg even if she does not have herself attached to the egg sack, she could have had another egg ready to drop from her after she ripped free of her egg sack to go after Ripley.
Comics are not canon though
@@tylerst.francis9126 The comic does seem well thought out on this topic, though.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again; i always upvote your vids, but Unanswered Questions will always be my favorite series on this channel. (Just leaving a comment to maximize engagement, for algorithm reasons)
and i always appreciate it. thank you!
The AVP films are set in a separate universe from the Alien films.
But in The Predator the spear at the end of AVP can be seen in the lab.
The egg on the Sulaco? I think there’s a reasonable third solution that also explains the other anachronisms in the film: the whole movie is a nightmare Ripley has in cryosleep. Accepting the “Bobby Ewing” solution allows for the deaths of Newt, Hicks, and Bishop; explains the bizarre change to the Sulaco’s appearance as well as the cryopods being changed to resemble the ones from the Nostromo; as well as all the other nightmare imagery and dream logic throughout the movie.
Of course, I highly doubt this was The intention of Fincher or anyone else, but in retrospect it works, and viewed through this lens it makes Alien3 (the assembly cut anyway) into a pretty decent flick.
Awesome job with all the answers, especially #3.
Giving the Xenomorph an origin was a big mistake.
The funny thing is they backtracked on giving it an origin in the novel to covenant where it's explained that Xenomorph eggs were already on the planet before David got there and all he did was make his own interpretation of the xenomorph
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That whole plot with David is terrible.
@@anubusx yeah but atleast they did fix it up a little although you actually have to find the answers in other media rather than the movies, David created the praetomorphs (yes that is the actual name of the covenant xeno) to be a more advanced version of the xenomorph that he saw as perfect which is pretty in line with his character
@@cookiesnugglez7318 So he's an alien nazi 😂
I always thought ash was struggling with that old law of never harming a human, the edginess before breaking quarantine, his wierd murder method considering his physical strength, like his programming was hastily tweaked before boarding the nostromo, the actor's performance to me portrays some inner struggle. Might have to look at bishop through the same lense after you brought it up, the scene where he's dissecting the facehugger might show something, where spunkmeyer couldn't get his attention.
I'm an alien die hard and nerd. I own Prometheus covenant, alien, aliens all steel book edition with loads of extras.
Prometheus, covenant, alien and aliens all link up perfectly from a story perspective... watching the bonus material really answers all questions. There are very little mistakes and plot holes within these films, only after Alien 3 do things not make sense. But Ridley Scott has stated more than once than basically alien and aliens are the only thing he considers Canon to Prometheus and covenant
Nice
I always thought they explained that Burke put the eggs on the ship before getting killed.
Vickers is an android because Weyland needed an Eve for his Adam. Vickers is version 2.0 and designed not as perfect as David. When she calls Weyland "father" it's not literal. She's not biologically his daughter though he did create her.
The only way we can really know is if Vickers is an android is we get a close up of her fingertips. In a close-up shot of David with black goo on it before he puts it into the drink you can see the Weyland logo under his fingerprint. I've watched the movie many times and just noticed it because I was always looking at the goo.
How could Burke put the eggs on the Sulaco? He was taken before the second Dropship arrived.
@vovVile No, It is explained in the film that Weyland Yutani are NOT the Government anymore... They are just a Business, and they would have to adhere to the same safety protocols as everyone else, but he could sneak past the Embryos if the Victims were in Hypersleep... As outwardly, there are no external signs of infection.
Weyland Yutani have Government Contracts and Government backers, but NOT everyone in Government supports them!
I am shocked though that we see what happened with teh Alien Queen and NO ONE ever considers the FIRST DROPSHIP... We see it land briefly to release the APC, and then fly away... My Guess has always been it returned to teh Sulaco as Ferro and Spunkmyer play NO FURTHER ROLE until the call for Evac... And there would have to be someone on board the Sulaco if teh call came from teh Marines to say "Game Over Man! Launch the Nukes! We are NOT going to make it!" - The Payload on the Sulaco cannot launch itself!
If the Alien Queen can stow itself so fast, Why not a Pretorian? Bear in mind that also with teh filming limitations, We never get a full view of teh back of the Dropship - It is shrouded in Mist as it takes off... Of course this is mere theory, but that would then explain how an Alien got on board the Dropship too! IT NEVER LANDED on LV-426 directly... So how did it get on board and kill Ferro and Spunkmyer?
Maybe teh same way teh Queen did, and due to its smaller size (Though still larger than a Normal Xenomorph), It would find the task far easier!
@@Phoenix2312 IIRC the Lt orders them to stay mobile, flying around the colony while they do the initial search, then they're ordered to land a safe distance away while the marines use the IFV to drive to the reactor, where they're still waiting - with the IFV ramp down, since there weren't any enemies that had been seen yet - until the call comes in for evac.
@@Frostmourne86 And just because enemies are not seen, does not mean there are none! :)
2.0 designed not as perfect? Like Data and Lore?
The space jockey was a completely separate race of aliens in the comics that were transporting the eggs.
I think Dallas was in on the mission, too. He has access to Mother as the ship's captain, and Ash seems to open the door for the crew in response to Dallas' voice, overriding Ripley's orders to obey quarrantine.
The queen could've had an egg still in her. Delivered it and stashed it. The egg was in the corner ceiling plastered there with their "alien glue" holding it up. I dont think Bishop got to some "alien glue" and plastered the egg in the corner. If he did, we would see the sticky evidence on him. I believe the queen did it.
To answer your question about the queen. If the xenomorphs follow a hive lifestyle like bees or ants, there are other multiple Queens in satellite nests and they usually do answer to one big one at the major high. Here in Florida that's what we figured out so what if there's more than one Queen the whole time and one did sneak on board because like covenant showed they know how to get on board
I just figured a Queen might carry an emergency colony starter egg internally in case she needs to abandon the hive or is threatened
She’s shown to be intelligent by operating the elevator, I can believe she’d put it somewhere safe enough on the dropship before attacking Bishop to not be noticed in the aftermath
Just for the record Prometheus took place on Moon LV-223 and the movie Alien/Aliens took place on Planet/Moon LV-426. So it is quite possible the original space jockey was sitting there for thousands of years and fossilized.
The problem with the egg and facehugger being placed on board the ship by Bishop there is a major error with this theory.... Seeing how aggressive facehuggers are and the eggs seem to activate when Humans are around (as seen in the queen's lair) they would of been attacked earlier in the film. Also how could it be activated while they were all in cryo sleep Bishop was in no fit state to do much. At what point could of Bishop collected the egg? As the time for him to do all that seems impossible seeing he had to remote control the dropship from the main ship remotely.... It's just bad writing lol
HAVE - could HAVE, FFS!
Question 4; The queen does not need an ovipositor to lay eggs. That organic mechanism is used for placement of the eggs. It's basically to keep her from having to squat, lay an egg, then move over 5 feet over and over.
So, yes, she did lay the egg on the sulaco. You didn't see it because it was gestating, not being carried like a football.
Love the "Straightline Theory". 😂
I absolutely believe that the Xenos have eyes & that they are located in that "skull" in it's "forehead" & we just can't see the eyes under there. But I also believe that they may not see as we do. The blurriness that Covenant suggested was one of very few original adds to the franchise that was appealing. Either way, I think the adult Xeno sees the world like sharks do. Sharks have eyes but they far more uses senses, electrosenses, to detect & read what exists around them under water. Xenos are highly adaptable in any known environment, including under water & even in outer space. They move just as well regardless where they are & regardless of temperature or pressure (I know too much pressure will of course kill them). And the many games have also suggested throughout the years that they sense movements nearby, just like sharks. This could also explain why the Xenos are so good at stalking & finding their victims no matter their angle of approach. I think the Xenos function like sharks, or like bats as well. We also know they seem to have very good hearing, Alien Isolation proves this better than any other entry. But is that actual hearing, though? Or another sense? Sound vibrates, after all. Turn on a speaker loud enough & put your hand against it & even we can feel the vibrations generated. The point is that we have no clue how the aliens sees, or hears, we just know that they do & extraordinary well. And I truly hope it is never explained. Let's keep something mysterious about them. And it leaves us with the fun to speculate.
If you look into into the website the space jockey is a seperate race of aliens called the Mala'kak who are even taller than engineers and do not wear an exoskeleton and instead look like the engineer wearing the exoskelton. they have elephant face features. Not officially movie cannon but has been written into the books and graphic novels.
Giving the Space Jockey an origin was a mistake.
Basicaly every second graphic novel, book and videogame has its' own canon. By now we have the main Alien series canon, Aliens expanded universe canon, Alien VS Predator canon (which is self-contradictory in reference to Predator movies), Scott's-alcoholic-senile-rambling-canon, Scott's-expanded-universe-trying-to-fix-senile-rambling-canon and a ton of loose stories in various media which can take part in whatever story canon due to a lack of details. And let's not even begin the topic of "Is Alien 1 deleted egg transformation scene" canon.
I absolutely love the movies but the narrative between them is an absolute mess which begun the moment studio execs had no idea what to do with Alien 3 and pushed the movie through a milion makeovers. It only went downhill from there.
At least Ressurection was funny.
Haven’t even watched the video yet, I’m right about to, but anytime it’s Unanswered Questions I crack a beer, light a joint, chill and enjoy the video. 😎
There's also the fact that, after gestating inside a 4-legged creature, the Alien3 Zeno moved on all fours. Suggesting that it does draw something from its host.
We see zenos in Aliens crawling but only when necessary. Otherwise they're clearly bi-pedal. Whereas the Alien3 Zeno was naturally 4-legged.
My favorite series on this channel, the background music is also really emotional sounding😂
Vickers being rolled Over by the engineer spaceship is easy to explain: Panic
I've lost lots of respect for Ridley Scott in recent years. His adaption of Hannibal, sheesh, maybe that book was never going to make all that great of a film, but his adaption missed so many points it's kind of embarrassing.
Hannibal should have been a warning that his Alien prequels were not going to be very good. He has made so much garbage but he gets a free pass because of Alien & Blade Runner.
In fairness by the time Scott made Hannibal and the alien prequel movies he was already a very old man
He is 86 years old now
He was 42 when he made alien and 45 when he made blade runner
At the 35:32 mark, that image of the Facehugger on the human, is actually HR Giger's Early Concept Art for the Face hugger!! Look up "HR Giger face hugger" and it is the 2nd image that appears.
It's hard to know if u didn't read the tie-in Alien Covenant stuff or the novel, but David didn't creat the Xenomorph. He recreated it. To see if he could
The space Jockey being an engineer is the equivalent of Midichlorians being the force.
🤦♂️ Midichlorians have never been the Force itself.
Yeah midichlorians where how force users connected to the force and besides Lucas had them in his original episode 4 script, go look it up!
I have heard that Bishop excuse about the egg on the Sulaco before, but it doesn't cut it. Retrieving an egg would still potentially put people in danger, so if he did have those behavioral inhibitors, that would have contradicted those. He could have still just flown off with Hicks after getting the egg if he could violate those inhibitors.
The egg was on the Sulaco, not the Dropship, & when Ripley, Newt & Bishop get off, that is immediately after arriving back. There is no way Bishop could have placed the egg anywhere else, especially without Ripley noticing.
Fans can try all they want, but the fact is that the egg on the Sulaco was a lazy contrived plot hole to bring Ripley back. Cameron intended Bishop to be good all along. Retroactively trying to attribute sinister motives to him doesn't work.
With regards to the inconsistencies with Ridley Hack's prequels & the original films, its just Scott being a pretentious hack. The reason the engineers were generic pale white guys instead of weird alien creatures is because Scott saw the success Avatar was having & wanted a piece of the pie, so he made his own humanoid creatures instead. I remember when these prequels were initially announced, but then it was later announced they would instead be just set in the same world. And Avatar came out. It was the return to science fiction for Cameron. Major use of 3D. Its main characters were tall humanoid creatures. All of which were in Prometheus.
I find it astonishing that there are people that still claim Ridley Scott is superior to James Cameron, even after garbage like Hannibal, & his Alien prequels. Not to mention other worthless crap like that Exodus movie.
These answers to the unanswered questions are pretty spot on.
Yes. Any science officer or any flight officer knows the quarantine rules and regulations regarding anything alien or harmful to the rest of the crew. In Alan Dean Foster's book you also get that feeling right away.
This is one of the greatest videos on TH-cam. Good job, sir!
I like the idea that David is to blame for everything. He was hiding out in the derelict spaceship, then he infiltrated Hadley's Hope, and he finally got onto the Sulaco with some eggs to finish off Ripley once and for all.
But he wasn't in Resurrection, since he was owned by Walmart at that point.
That's because he's Michael Fassbender. He can do anything
Love the 'Game over man, game over'... they use Sonar like bats...
Bishop is a machine programmed by the company. You are right about the egg in the Sulaco.
I wonder when this Franchise will go the root of other others like Friday the 13th & Leprechaun, and have an entry of Alien IN SPACE
LoL smh Beastie Boys video....hahaha! Well, you're not wrong! Oh, and also, my other fav funny was, "What's the trick? Getting time wrong?" Good shit, man. Thanks for the video. I always enjoy 'em. 😀
For sure the easiest way to explain away the whole "David created the xenomorph" thing is crab theory.
In the unlikely event we get a proper follow up I really hope something like that is the answer
The obvious answer is Ridley Scott is a pretentious hack.
That was fun. Thank you. They may not be the best, but I love every one of these movies.
AVP in my view are not canon as Space in the Alien universe is empty and bleak devoid of life, but the Predator Space seems very populated and has plenty of planets for them to hunt on - it's two separate universes - but a fan thing to connect the two. I prefer the bleak Alien universe.
We still don’t have a perfect match to the original alien, it had some bio mechanical aspects, like chrome teeth. I thought that was the next step alien, android hybrid. It seemed that David thought highly of himself and he wanted to create something of himself, like humans do. So he creates a perfect being, impregnates either himself or another android then gives birth to his “child”
Thank you for the time you put into these videos. I listed Unanswered Question as #5 on your poll of most liked videos. All of your videos are great and something had to finish last. I guess I’m saying I don’t have an answer to why UAQ placed where it did. 🤔
Great video. It's hard to ignore the fact that Ridley Scott's attempt to explain the first Alien film in "Prometheus" and "Covenant" was completely unnecessary .
Man I love your videos thanks for sharing your love and knowledge of movies with us all
The only possible explanation for Alien 3 is that it (and hence Resurrection) are Ripley/Newt's nightmare in hyper-sleep before they wake up safely on Earth. I always took it that the Engineers are not all dead, one of their ships takes off after David and his creations and wipes them out (Resurrection states the bugs are all but destroyed) but the space jockey is infected. The suit looks different because it is a more advanced model or some form of battle armour.
I agree that the only way an egg could have ended up on the Sulaco would be Bishop, but what if Queenie brought one on her back, then rolled it off into the distance of the Sulaco when or just before she attacked Bishop?
Also with expanded universe material, that connects Prometheus and the later Aliens franchise, the Engineers were in the process of Civil War.
In the beginning of Prometheus, the Engineer ship is a circular shaped ship, not the most seen horse shoe shape.
In Aliens: Colonial Marines being still canon, shows that during the mission where you make your way through the Engineer ship on LV-426, in the pilots room, through a sequence, a hologram will show that same Circular Engineer ship fighting a Horse Shoe Engineer ship, obviously the Horse Shoe lost and crashed on LV-426 and ties in with that skeleton being thousands of not millions of years old by the point of the Nostromo crew finding it. Again the start of Prometheus shows Earth in it's primordial state with an Engineer "seeding" Earth.
Maybe those of the Circular ships were for spreading or creating species that could combat the Xenomorphs of Horse Shoe ship Engineers.
But that's just a theory......a Xeno theory!
In the alien covenant novel there were eggs when he first got to paradise, so he didn't invent the og Big chap, he made a newer version of it, one that he sees as perfect
In fact we even see in covenant a dissected ovamorph on his table that looked more like a classic egg
Another question: are Alien and Blade Runner set in the same universe?
We know that Xenomorphs (at least the Queen) can SEE. Because when Ripley threatened to BURN the EGGS, the Queen backed off. If she couldn't SEE her threaten her eggs, she wouldn't react this way.
AND... when Brad Dourif's character threatened to gas Xenos... in Alien 4...
Here's an unanswered question regarding the androids: do they dream of electric sheep?
Vickers gave us The Prometheus school of running away from things.
Sadly, the retcon by Ridley Scott with his recent 'prequels' really did so much damage to the ALIEN franchise! Countless people now think David created the 'xenomorphs' - which is in reality, is incorrect as the xenomorphs have been engineered thousands of years before the 'prequel' time-line and that's established in films, books, comic books and games for 40 years!
If a facehugger jump on Ash, it obviously wouldn't work and him being an android would be outed.
Oh, and the Queen could easily have a few eggs left over, the egg sac wasn't surgically remove with any precision, just kinda ripped off, so she had "one in the chamber" despite losing the magazine, to use gun terminology
Well, since you count Prometheus and Covenant as canonical, I personally see all your answers null , void, and undeeded
Question 3: Wopudl a Facehugger affect and Android? There is a Canonical Answer and it is found in Allen Dean Foster's Novelisation of Aliens...
And extra part is added that was never filmed for the final movie but was scripted where Bishop is making his way to remote Pilot the Dropship... In teh tight Pipes he was sealed into... When at a Junction, A Xenomorph passes in front of him, I wish I had teh novel here now to directly quote it but I will paraphrase here as it details how "Bishop Froze, Androids do not feel fear but the pulses of electricity swirling through his body could easily be interpreted as such, The Creature, even turned to face Bishop before it hissed and sped away..."
So, In an Original Script - Xenomorphs CAN tell a difference between a Living Creature and an Android, and they wish to infect Living Hosts! So NO - A facehugger will NOT affect an Android.
EDIT: Actually, There is another explanation as to how the Egg got on the ship - Something no one ever thinks back to... Ferro and Spunkmyer...
They drop the Marines at teh colony, and more or less immediately take back off... We never see whereabouts they go. But it is possible and feasible that they would have returned to the Sulaco at some point between contacts to pick up further supplies once the Marines has secured the Complex... And we also know that Spunkmeyer on jumping back into the Dropship when the call comes for an Evac puts his hand in some kind of Goo...
In other words, As they landed, And Alien got on board teh Drop Ship, Stayed hidden... And from there... Planted Eggs on the Sulaco!
Now the only stumbling point here is that the outside when Spunkmyer boards the Dropship looks like they are still Planetside... But that does not figure when you think about it as they play no other role throughout the movie, They stay with the Drop Ship at all times! If they were Planetside - Surely they would have got word sooner that things had gone to shit?
I believe Spunkmeyer and Ferro could have inadvertently picked up an Alien in the Dropships Landing Wells, in the same way the Alien Queen Stowed away at the end of the film... Maybe a Pretorian, which can and DO carry eggs... But cannot lay them! A Single Pretorian can carry up to two Eggs, including one for a Queen Facehugger... Once the Dropship returned to the Sulaco, It made its way out... Dropped it cargo before slipping back with an aim to Cocoon Ferro and Spunkmyer but instead the Dropship launched once more and it attacked!
I've heard speculation that Alien 3 is a dream Ripley had while in hypersleep.
I always assumed microscopic eggs form inside the queen’s body. From there, they move into the ovipositor where they grow and she places them.
She ripped away from her ovipositor, so her ass is dripping acidic blood and ovipositor goop, which is likely filled with tiny eggs.
A small puddle of this acid & egg-filled goop drips out at some point during the final fight, which melts through the floor, and an egg grows on the ceiling below.
Bishop is innocent! (Even if he did grab an egg, why would he mount it on the ceiling unless he was deliberately mounting it above their cryotubes to infect them?)
I agree to an extent. Based on Josh's idea that there is a royal facehugger... I postulate that a queen produces regular eggs in the egg sac but also produces a "royal egg" that only emerges when the egg sack is removed/destroyed. Likely because if the egg sack is destroyed it's likely that the hive is in danger/the queen replaced. So the queen got on board the Sullaco, popped it's royal egg since it was the last of it's hive, died, then later the egg hatches and facehugger royale goes on the hunt.
It would make sense it would not hatch right away... It wants to make sure the danger has passed.
Maybe Waylan has been cloning himself to stay alive and in charge?
The ol' Emperor Palpatine bit, huh? That's what I'd do if it was an option. 😀
Regarding Androids: I think it depends how androids are constructed. When Bishop gets cut, he bleeds liquid. What is it? It's a bit of a stretch but it could be that androids are biomechanical. This would help them blend in better - some of them are robotic and some of them is human. So I think it's possible...but it's a stretch.
I always thought it was Paul Reiser's character Burke that had stashed the face hugger on the ship before he bit it
"her code was so messed up, it prevented her from running to the left or right..."
I know this is my third comment (after I had to clean my drink off my phone from spitting it out hearing that!! LMMFAO I just can't 🤣😅 😆😂)
I've definitely always thought the crew was setup by corporate to investigate the signal. If you watch Ash closely, especially right before the chest bursting scene, Ash is clearly watching and waiting for something to happen. Ash clearly has a hidden agenda to study the creature and hides what he's finding from the crew. The only issue with this is that in Aliens, there would be no need to wait 57 years for Ripley to be found before sending someone else out to visit the derelict spaceship.
Wow that is a crazy theory that Bishop put the egg on the ship! I can't believe I've never thought of that! He did say Burke ordered him to preserve specimens to take back. Maybe he didn't have a choice about following his orders?
I believe you're wrong about Bishop and the egg. He gets ripped apart as soon as they land on the Sulaco. When would he have time to get the egg off without anyone noticing, and even if he did, why would he stick it upside down in a corner somewhere and not in some sort of capsule?
I recently watched 2001(1968) a space odyssey in 2022. Its actually the back story to dave wayland.
Theres also a time line of battle star galactica, and the recent shows mention a pegasus ship, and they are viper jockeys.
Theres even the nebacanezer in the matrix, maybe a spin off from battle star galactica.
along with waylan in avp.
Seems like predators are the engineers from prometheus and alien covenant.
if queen was laying eggs thru the tubuluar structure, she was probably holding one in her body that didn't complete the process before ripping away and chasing Ripley . . if you didn't finish pooping kind of thing
One of the books had a human using a synth as a drone. She allowed her FEAR to transmit through the synth and a face hugger latched on and injected the genetic material into the androids stomach.
The problem with Prometheus and Covenant is that Scott forgot to watch the original Alien. So best to ignore them....which is what I hope Disney does going forward.
I appreciate the lengths that you go to in putting together these vids! Thank you!
"Bishop remote dropped the Sulacco and they get right in it" That's an oof on your part. The Sulacco is the cruiser, the Cheyanne is the dropship
Ha ha, boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
yeah, that’s on me.
@@35november first time watching this channel and the very first question is a long ramble about something that is explicitly stated in the movie, so confusing the starship names doesn't surprise me at all. Confusing names wouldn't be a big issue in any vid, but for one that's supposedly a deep dive into lore it's a huge red flag. Skip.
i disagree that the first question is something explicitly stated. it’s hinted at, and there’s enough to theorize with, but they never just say it.
I've got a question for the next one during Ripley's inquiry why didn't she directly name order 937? They'd have to be a record right?
Not many people know this, but there's no gravity in space.
Equally mindblowing is that every planet and moon has a different amount of gravity.
Question #10: David RE-created the xenomorph, simple.
I always felt the xenomorphs were born with natural visor helmets. Ala Robocop.
One of the 40th anniversary short films shows a facehugger and an android alone together, and the facehugger doesn’t attack her because she’s synthetic.
Also at the end of Aliens DVD ( 2003 and newer I believe) you can hear a facehugger scurry as the end credits are finishing. That would explain "possibly" the extra impregnation on top of bishop's egg. (I've always thought that)
1) david did not create the xenomorph. He REcreated it.
2) the derelect ship is NOT the same ship in prometheus.
3) i dont consider anything after Aliens canon. If we get a conclusion to david's story i MIGHT reconsider those. Alien 3 and resurrection are hypersleep dreams
The pyramid was under sheets of ice in Antarctica. That's far beyond a thousand years for Antarctica to be ideal for civilization
I DON'T think the whole mission of the Nostromo was to get the Xenomorph. I think they just happened to be the closest ship in the area when the alien becon was discovered. The "company" wanted to be the 1st to get this possible alien tech & since it takes years to travel this far out- they used the only resources they had to retrieve it-
I already knew all that ....
18:45 - the original human Bishop, creator of androids, could have just spent all his life in cryo-sleep
so he wouldn't have aged then.
So you see, there aren't "unanswerable" questions if you put your mind to it.
It's "Game over! Game over, man!!" for your IQ, man !
Still, you get a "like" for your efforts.
There's every chance the Queen would have an emergency, internal egg (likely another queen) in case of losing the hive.
So there's a skull beneath the semi-transparent dome of the Alien's head...
...like there was a skull under the transparent dome of Kane's spacesuit.
...ooooOOOooooh.
Surprised you didn’t mention the “Blade Runner Theory”
Okay, I have to call out Bishop II being an android. First off he doesn't get hit on the head. He gets gets hit more on the shoulder and the tip of the wrench catches his ear. Second, if he has red blood why doesn't he just use it? He could have just pricked his finger as proof to Ripley that he's human. Instead it only comes out when he gets smacked, something he couldn't have foreseen.
I think Bishop II was an actor or company agent who whad a face job done to look like Bishop. I'ts the simplest answer which also makes the most sense imho.
I think the reason the company sends a group of space truckers to get the xenomorph instead of a scientific crew is simply that truckers are much more expendable and they’re all expected to be killed anyway.