Ferrari F40 or Lamborghini Countach? Talking car design with legendary designer, Frank Stephenson
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- Ferrari F40 or Lamborghini Countach? Which is the best design of these two iconic supercars? Legendary car designer, Frank Stephenson dropped by Harry's Garage recently to discuss car design and where sports cars go next. Treat this video as part vid, part podcast. If the feedback is goos, then expect some more on the channel sometime soon!
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WHAT A PLEASURE it was to join Harry on this episode! So enjoyable to talk with a consummate, passionate and knowledgeable colleague around our favourite subject! Definitely a day to remember - made me feel like I was a kid in a massive toy slash candy store. Serious case of drooling and bug eyes (thanks for editing that part out Harry!). Still gushing about the day in conversations with all my friends. The 2nd half of this will go live on my TH-cam channel this Thursday at 6PM U.K. time (th-cam.com/users/FrankStephensonDesign). If you’re curious to see how I experiment with a “fine-tuning” of the legendary and sacrosanct F40 design, be sure to catch it. Hoping I don’t upset the Mafia or the Pope... 😉
LOL! Can't wait for part 2... 🤩
Pleasure all mine, Frank, loved catching up again and having a peak into the future of car design too. Look forward to watching your design review on the Ferrari F40 when it goes live on Thursday. Can't see much room for improvement there but no doubt you'll prove me wrong!
The two of my favourite youtube channels doing it together - 2020 isn't that bad after all. Grateful for the content, here's to many more. Cheers!
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Amazing to hear your thoughts Frank thanks for sharing the passion with us! Owned an R53 amazing car. Love your channel. Saludos de Sudamerica!
I'm Italian and i felt so well respected and represented , Mr.Harry and Mr.Frank (and a lot of English people in general) have so much culture in italian cars history and cars in general, they are gold.
So Harry says, "today we're going to be joined by Frank Stephenson and have a chat about cars" Only Harry has friends of this caliber. Well done Harry.
He's just a friend. 'Calibre' suggests elitism, but l know what you meant.
He borrowed Jeremy Clarkson's Alfa GTV6 and referred to him as "a farmer down the road" 😂
My friends talk about Ford Focus or a bag of chips. Theyre crap friends.
I want friends like Harry’s.
Yes it's well presented by Harry.
@@edkramer5592 I think caliber suggests legendary people or people of quality. Frank is both, to car fans.
That has got to be one of the most fascinating videos I've watched on car design and the future of cars. Superb, more please, Harry.
I agree, but it wasn’t just about the future of cars but also about the future of transportation.
Glass over the engine? Jaguar XJ13, 1966. Such a beautiful engine to display as well.
The XJ13 is stunning in the metal. Pride of place at Gaydon museum.
@@markgilbertson1564 I really must go there for a visit some day.
The original countach without all the stuck on bits is achingly pretty.
Would not say "pretty." The E-Type was pretty. The 250 Lusso was pretty. The Miura was pretty. The Countach is more muscular!
You're right the Countach LP400 is a gorgeous design. Those are very rare though. The later versions may have the naughtyness due to the fleared wheel arches, air intakes and the rear spoiler but the original design by Gandini is timeless (minute 3:58 ). Also production techniques where not advanced enough for the original design leading to sharp edges at the front window line. Also the bottom rear would have looked much better if it was naked and you could see the rear tires, the rear differential and gearbox as well as suspension components.
I once liked it (as a teenager) but now I will never allow myself to love any design which uses a steep, flat windscreen, it's bad in every way - stylistically, aerodynamically and functionally (massive un-sighting by the A-pillars). Check out Koenigsegg (or even the Miura!) to see how it should be done.
M R A Scott that’s a ridiculous thought process, it’s like saying, and here is one for the kids, cindy Crawford isn’t pretty because of that mole.
Richard Mortimer the LP400 is pretty, like I say, before all the bits got stuck on.
As a car designer, Frank is one of my idols. I had a chance to spend quite a bit of time chatting with him at the Mclaren tent during Monterey car week some years back. I was a design student then, and he was very gracious with his time, and offered to look at my sketches and give feedback. Thanks for this Harry!
For a few weeks now Frank Stephenson is all over TH-cam
Stéphane Edouard, le pseudo psychologue suivit par les simples d'esprit. Que viens tu faire ici ? Allez hop ça dégage. Harry is way too classy for you my man, gtfo
@@waitbalthy6342 where is the salt coming from? who hurt you?
The high wing on the Daytona and Superbird worked and was adjustable.
One of the worse designers his career is dead
@Dev_Phoenix Roblox Ferrari 360 is the worst follow on imaginable from the F355. Agree with you on the P1 but the MC12 has aged awfully.
The gills below the f40s wing is what gets me
The glimpse at the inside of the f40 is beautiful
@@davemeese6788 Fortunately Ferrari build quality has improved. F40 looks like a kit car close up. The sad thing is in 35 years of driving I have only seen one F40 and never spotted a Countach outside a motor show.
MARK GILBERTSON agreed, I saw an F40 parked up at a trackday at Knockhill a few years ago (i think Dario Franchitti’s) and it had the overwhelming look of a minimalist, somewhat tatty track rat. Not what I expected at all, killed the romance entirely
@@peterbett3076 OT, but a couple days ago I was in NYC SOHO (late 1800's buildings, very little traffic and all of it going very slowly) and heard a V8 burble, looked up and a white Aston Martin Lagonda, the insane wedge shaped one, going around the corner right in front of me. The last one I saw was in freeway traffic in LA in the 1970's, also white. Certainly one of the most distinctive and rare cars ever, and amazing to see on the street. It must cost about a Corolla a year to keep one going.
Harry makes the best car videos on TH-cam IMO. Give he his channel everyday over some of these ‘younger’ you tubers who’re just seemingly about the likes and and buy a new car every 5 minutes.
They get bored easily, those 'poor' prodigals.
Okay boomer
@@MRCL-190 no boomers here, marcey.
For me it’s the Bedford Rascal
In its category, surely. It's nicely recognizable.
>>>/o/
I used to drive a Suzuki Supercarry 1.3. The little engine in that thing loved to rev. Was actually quite exciting to drive not gonna lie 😂.
The VAN of the GODS!!
A modern icon.
Fascinating interview and talk with two of the most insightful people on cars and design. Great to see this!
The first time I saw an f40 I fell in love with it immediately.
This is important to know.
@@johnsmith1474 😂😂😂😂
Yeah Ferrari know how design cars.
Love them both, but the F40 just is, & probably will always be, the ultimate supercar!
Epic vehicle. Always felt it was more of a track car than a super car. Guess it depends on you definition 🙂
Mclaren F1. Ultimate performance and usable everyday. The F40 is awesome but the F1- it will always be the ultimate supercar.
@@sage11x definitely up there! I’m not sure the F1s design language is exotic/ romantic enough to earn my top spot. If I were a computer it would surely have it though 😉 The F1 is a magnificent amalgamation of tremendous numbers and engineering prowess
And also the most beautiful car ever in My opinion
The F1 still looks more like a fighter jet and anything else IMO.
I have been a Harry fan for a long time, and this was one of the most interesting videosdid not know of Frank Stephenson (my bad), and 2) the discussion on the future of car design and ) the length of the video to allow a decent discussion between two serious petrol heads. Loved it - well done, and thank you Harry and Frank
Thank you, Harry, for this session with designer Frank Stephenson. Such insight. So informative. Brilliant. A much appreciated escape from the world.
Thank you for not mentioning the c word.
If I had a gun to my head, I'd have the Lamborghini. It's incredible looking and it looks like its going fast even when it's parked. I love Harry's car - those gold alloys look like something from Wacky races. Great video and conversation.
The automotive collaboration I knew I need it... Thank you! You both are the proof that "being a TH-camr" isn't just for young lads. You are killing it with the content you are uploading! Thanks to both of you!
14:40 almost fell out of my chair with how dead serious he said it LOOOL
A Marcello Gandini design (in this case the Countach) will almost always win, if we are judging on looks alone. Although the the designer of the F40, Signor Leonardo Fioravanti, is also one of the all-time great designers. The F40 would be the preferred car to drive though.
The most outrageous design vs the purest drive. Two cars that reached two separate pinnacles of what a supercar should be. Both are legends
Lonardo Fioravanti designed the 308/328/288 gto (and probably 512 bb too), in my opinion the purest, most brilliant unadulterated sport classic shape of all times
F40 looks much better for me.
A quick note for not-Italian friends: Countach is a Piemontese-dialect word, in Italian “contagio”, which literally means “infection”, “ plague ”, but it is used as an expression of surprise like “wow”
his analogy of the countach as versace is spot on
The word Countach is not derived from the Italian language. It comes from the region of Piemonte in North West Italy (referred to as Piedmont in English), where the local language is Piemontese. Piemontese is pretty much its own language, although referred to as an Italian dialect it has as many French influences as Italian. Countach is a Piemontese word and is just as closely derived from the French language and pronunciation, if not more so. It is a word that could only exist from the hash-up between the meeting point of these two countries. A word that is as mysterious and beautiful as the car it is now associated to and from a region of Italy that is equally delightful. Great video, love the chat and impressed with Frank's pronunciation.
I was at the London Motor Show in 1987 - every year as my Uncle was the late David Jolliffe (ex Rob Walker Racing) he owned and ran Portman Lamborghini (Sole UK Lamborghini Concession) on George Street W1 for 31 years. See Supercar Classics ~ ‘Supercars I have Known’ article on David, September 1989 with Stirling Moss and his SLR on the cover well worth a read. I've been lucky enough to drive no end of Lamborghini and others. I worked for Davids friend David Stephens who owned Heathmans in Parsons Green (aged 18 for a few years 86/87/88/89/90) driving and selling newish/used and at the time classic Lambos and Maserati, De Tomaso Iso Griffo - all the great Italian cars and others (1950s Vette's, Modern Porsche all sorts). Countach was and is a fab distance car, crossing Europe as I did many times in one. The car other than the 288 GTO though and I mean THE CAR for me was and still is the F40. I saw that The Hairpin Company had this as I was looking only the last few days at F40's. Love the show Harry. Keep it up.
That's very satisfying, and l presume your name isn't really Archer.
That's a great story ! Not many, if any, could have the joy of driving these works of art ! And yes, on design alone the F40 is the beauty , the Countach the beast! Thanks for sharing.
great video Harry. pls do more interview, car chats with people, it's really interesting and great content to break up the reviews. congrats
Best vid I’ve seen in a long time! 2 proper established petrol heads at heart, that seem to have a genuine friendship. Love it.
Been (im)patiently waiting for days. It’s finally here.
I can't imagine the Countach having a transparent engine lid - it would look horrible imo. It flows so much better the way it is. It's more shapely.
The Countach and F40 are two totally different beasts.
You can't choose between them.
Indeed. I'll take both ;)
Doesn't matter anyway.
Completely agree..... surely it’s testarossa v countach.... the F40 was race focused. The F40 should be compared to 959 🙏
Sure I can. The countach.
This is why F40 cant be compared by any car:)
One of my favorite episodes of any car channel. An absolute pleasure to be a "virtual" fly on the wall for what looked like two friends talking about their shared passion.
2 of my favourite car youtubers discussing my 2 favourite cars. 2020 is redeeming itself!
Fantastic chat by two legends about another two legends. In terms of design, it's Countach every day for me.
these two cars i came across them in 2004 in a magazine and that Ferrari along with the F50 just stole my heart.. Lamborghini could never.
Brilliant and very interesting that great designers such as Stephenson and Gordon Murray feel that the way forward in the long term is not electric but synthetic or hydrogen fuels and of course reduction of weight. Possibly the most enlightening car video that I have seen in a long time, thank you.
dear sir please interview Mr Nicola Materazzi about the f40 he built it.
I'm with your Harry, Countach over the F40 every day and very few things above a Periscopio. BTW what a lovely chat between two people that love and understand cars.
Thanks mr. Stepgenson for the Original Mini.
Had such a blast in the Cooper S!
Too date the best looking mini. It drove like an animal unlike the new ones. Will never be beaten.
After watching this i thought it was a 15 minute video! That's how interesting this was. I could listen to you two for days.
Two automotive legends in one video 👌🏼
Make that four! The two cars and the two men.
@@cookedit Eheheheh, I was referring to Harry and Frank, but that will do.
I hadn't appreciated until now, how flat the Countach's side windows are and I've learnt that there's a name for that design element. Brilliant video Harry. 👍🏻
To this day, there is nothing more fun to drive in a city than a bloody 500 abarth. What a fun little thing to live with, people specially in early 2010s reacted SO WELL and everyone, man, woman, young to old adults, kids, petrol heads non car people... brilliant creations
One of the most interesting videos, not only from Harry’s but from all the car TH-cam channels.
Both stunning machines - I love the Countach but am astonished at how the F40 seems to be looking more modern than ever, even after all these years.
"Those are the guys that we need to eliminate from the genepool." Well: Children?
But it would be great to see what an F40 would look like without the mesh :)
I hate children
I thought his comment was perfect in this litigious society we live in today.. It seems we’re stuck trying to save Darwin Award candidates from themselves
@@daytonaeagle That's why I made fun of it. Humour. :)
Had a good laugh when Frank said the thing about the Acropolis hanging from the front of the Rolls. Good stuff! 😂
Call me crazy all you want but I prefer the Countach. It's got air conditioning a radio and the Countach is an icon of a generation. Thank you.
not crazy at all , i agree F40 is like a kit car , a fast kit car granted . most people on here seem to favour it but i`m sure if you put both at either end of an empty car park more people would be around the Lambo than the F40
Iam 55 and would also take the countach,I think it longer production run and just how game changing it look on showing it to a stunned motoring world,sealed it a place in my heart.
What a great video. Well done Harry to get this out there and so watchable as a conversation and not a presentation.
Informative and absolutely addictive - congratulations to you both!
F40 since day 1 for me. Nothing comes close.....
Except maybe the original GT40 🤔
it's the fantasy/reality thing again. Until we get to own these historical monsters, they shall remain amazing cars.
Think I will stick to ending it 'tash' ....Will be interested to see if Harry does the same in the future?
What a great way to spend a Sunday afternoon - top stuff, Harry!
So glad this video remained largely unedited. Great conversation
This is amazing. The insight of the man is top notch. Thanks guys
I see harry, i SMASH LIKE
True talking by Mr Stephenson about actual cars and the ones following...
Harry, Frank, thank you for the video and the discussion about the cars.
Several people have mentioned that the F40 is Nicola Materazzi's most notable work. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_Materazzi
He is de facto "Mr F40".
I would like to point out that this brilliant engineer started at Lancia and followed the Stratos rally cars around the world. He also worked on the GTO (288) and the Bugatti EB110.
Next to each other, Harry and his mate are the exact example for _ectomorph_ and _endomorph_
And that is a fact.
you mean Frank eats too much peanut butter, or their frame design matches that of Laurel and Hardy?
Fascinating! Really great video, keep them coming Harry. Great job!
Fantastic interview. Very insightful. Love hearing both of your perspectives and the banter back and forth on car design and the future of the industry
That was a fascinating conversation. Well worth the watch. Thanks!
Thank you Harry...subscribed. As close as I can get to checking off the bucket list...thank you again.
Legends!
I love Ferrari more - but in this case for me the countach is more impressive - great video!!
I would love to see more videos on the intricacies/quirks of design. Even a humble car probably has a number of nice touches we don't appreciate are there.
I'd love to see a review of that F40 too, please Harry.
Really, really enjoyed this video, Harry. Fantastic discussion, please have Frank back for more videos!
Both cars were my first posters on my wall as a wee lad, along with the f50...stunning
A fantastic discuss, just fascinating, as illuminating as your interview with Prof Murray ! thank you Harry and Frank !!
The name 'Frank Stephenson' was cut off on my phone. If I had realised he was in this video, I would have clicked on it instantly!
Yes to more such content. Bring over Gordon Murray and talk about t50 f1... bring over other prolific individuals who have been in the auto industry for over 20 years or so... do these talks before they die and we miss out basically. 🥰
Thanks!
Wow what an interesting man could listen to him all day didn’t think channel could get any better 👏👏👏
As always what a true joy to watch both of u guys talking about the car designs and its history, truly unique and wonderful show, thank you Harry ur the king.
Always the Lamborghini for me. Doesn't matter what the speed is, the look is everything...
What a treat this was to listen to these two legends discussing two of the most iconic cars of all time. But if you close your eyes, you’ll swear Harry is talking to Mark Hamill. :)
The best one yet. 10 / 10 . Love car designers. And so insightful for the petrol heads
Would love to see more content like this. Harry, you must have so any contacts in the industry and it would be great to see you having a fireside chat in the local pub with some of them.
Harry: "I love the mesh in the back"
Frank: "I always fight to avoid mesh in every design"
Harry: "Yeah it sucks"
Iconic, sorry, legendary video of two automotive greats, each from his own perspective.
Thank you so much Harry, this is such an intimate intrinsic insight into the design anthology of the industry, I am a musician, and I felt like I was listening to musicians. Bravo!
Fascinating stuff.
Will (could) we ever see pop-up headlights again? Would regulations allow it?
Amazing guest, very interesting and informative session! Thanks!
Good Evening , this conversation with your guest today was a joy to hear and watch
Good to know, thanks for your kind comments!
Harry, superbly done. Your videos are just a joy to watch - really compelling content.
The lambo is a show off car, the ferrari is a fun car.
Great watch Harry. Frank is a gem.
Another good one. Good conversation, two very interesting characters. Some nice cars also.
Frank is a very talented guy who designs top end supercar to high production superminis very well. No safety mesh on a hot exhaust, bit like crazy architect want no balustrade on a stairs cause it look good, car designers and architects the same.
Thoroughly enjoyed listening to what Frank had to say. Seems like an all-round decent bloke, too.
What a sexy toy you have right there... I would really have them all if only I could but sadly I was ripped off a huge amount as a result of the price instability of every asset I posses.
That's insane how? Like weren't you aware of what these assets would become? Or receive some mentorship from an expert
No never was I informed of any although I do realise that some persons are involved with some professional but neglected intending to make my own moves but it all back fired in a negative way
And I have myself to blame so much for it maybe you could make some suggestions for me then I'll look into it cause I'm really down at this moment to follow ...
Too bad for you mate I'm sorry about that, I've been I used to be like this but not anymore cause I allowed some level of guidance from KING.AROBERTSON involved in my shit
Not only for me but also for the whole team who later got refereed to him through me
Frank, that wing had absolutely nothing to do with the trunk opening, this is an extremely common misnomer. It actually designed by and areo engineer Jon Ponter.
Some content from Harry! Brilliant. I was about to suggest that Harry lower his usual high standards of content in this lockdown and just put out a vid of him sitting in the Esprit eating a sandwich... that would suffice. It really would. Oh yeah.. great episode this..
Harry's pronunciation is the correct one. The word "countach" means "contagion" or "plague" in Piemontese, always used as an exclamation of astonishment. Such word was written that way just to let English-American speaking people to pronounce it properly. Such expression was used quite often by one of Gandini's collaborator, who's first name was Renaldo (unfortunately I don't know his Surname) while working on this car's prototype.
What I came looking for.
Is there a pre Silverstone Auction video coming Harry? Just got my eye on a couple of lots👍
The f40 is my all time pin up car! It’s just stunningly beautiful.
The countach looks like a de tomaso pantera on steroids the F40 is a more visually attractive car most kids has the lambo póster me i had the 600hp aston Martin vantage cos it looked like a ISO GRIFFO on steroids.
This video in 4k on a 55" LG C2 is fantastic, like the F40 is in my living room...
Marvellous channel Harry enjoying these programs immensely
Best shot, surely, is the interior of the Lotus: simple class when compared with the steroid poster-posers...? ;-)
Harry, this was an extremely interesting video from an expert in his field and I hope as we move forward we can see more videos with similar subject matter and experts of the same calibre. Thanks very much
Frank Sthepheson the legend, European Escort creation.
very good video.
Fascinating, and a joy to listen to.
Loved that.👏
WOW, This Garage Have Most SPECTACULAR CARS ON PLANET!