Father at St. Patrick's here in New Orleans give beautiful latin mass. It not boring. It Gregorian chanting. Sunday 9:30 in the morning. Confession 30 mins before mass. There always a line. Don't worry about parking. Drive around you will find parking. No ticket hand out Sunday. Ladies don't forget your veil. This mass is what I'm been waiting for a long time. Thank God that I'm still here to experience the sacred and sacrifice of the mass. Thanks JESUS. Latin mass help me to celebrated the living JESUS. Our God is not dead. He here with us.
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me"(John 14:6) Receiving Jesus in the hand without kneeling is displeasing to God.. at the Latin mass also, you receive Him kneeling , on the tongue, in reverence, by a priest..
@@petercarlson811 A priest's hands are consecrated. How can you touch the Host if your hands are NOT consecrated? Also, did you know the council that rewrote the Mass had one Catholic member and the rest were Protestant? This was done "to please the Protestants". Do your research and ask God for guidance.
I am an ex-Catholic who recently learned about V2, the Novus Ordo & the Latin Mass. I don't mind Latin & in fact prefer it because it's the language of Heaven & the Church. If you do Mass in everyone's vernacular, you have confusion & God is not the author of confusion. The Evil One is.
It was also the language of the Roman Empire not precisely known for it's "heavily conduct" if the language is all that you like the church may not be for you
@@thomasjust2663 The Mass, that is the old way, is not simply different due to its language. It actually wouldn’t be so much of a problem if it was translated exactly into English. The real issue is that the mass is different, prayers have been changed and removed. For me the priest facing the people is the biggest tell.
@@JohnSmith-hm2tt and I predict the Church may have eventually adopted vernacular languages, BUT the Protestants beat them to it. So, it took longer because vernacularism was seen as a Protestant practice at the time.
The Eastern Catholic Churches also use the ancient Liturgies of the Church. Their Liturgies are unchanged and composed by the Saints (St. John Chrysostom, St. Basil the Great, St. Gregory the Great, St. James the Brother of the Lord, etc.).
@@Marg1312 St. Gregory the Great composed what we now know as the Traditional Latin Mass. However, he also composed the Divine Liturgy of PreSanctified Gifts (essentially Vespers with distribution of Holy Communion) for use during week days of the Great Fast for the Byzantine Rite.
How do you feel about the pre 1955- Roman Missal? Is it allowed for anyone to attend masses said according to that rite? God Bless Fr. Gruner and the Fatima Center!!!!
"It's dead because it doesn't change." Wow, that's so true. Being raised in the protestant perspective, I only hear about this topic from the idea that vernacular mass was more "democratic" and equalizing than Latin. But Latin does have it's advantages 1) uniformity is preserved, and 2) universal and uniting for all Catholic believers (no lost in translation!). Plus Latin is a beautiful language and enjoyable to listen to even if you don't know what all the words mean.
Please pray for me as I kindly share to my parents about the TLM and its beauty, and how can I draw them to it. Please pray for God's wisdom and humility to flow to me. Let us also pray for the spread and comeback of this beautiful worship to God that sustained many saints in their journey to holiness, especially St. Padre Pio. May God bless us all!!! Deo Gratias! (P.S: We haven't attended one but I'm currently studying and even watching the flow of the mass from Fr. Michael Rodriguez. So, please also pray that we may attend one by the will of God. Thank you.)
So many Catholics would never have known about the messages of Fatima if it were not for you, Fr. Nicolas Gruner. If you had not been so loyal to Our Lord and His mother, the Blessed Virgin Mary, her warnings would be much more hidden. Thank you for writing Crucial Truths '. I am passing it out to those who would most likely read and pay attention to Our Lady. I pray for the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and that it be done by the Pope in union with the Cardinals as Our Lady asked in Fatima. I pray for it in my daily rosary. Diane A..
I have much respect for Father Gruner and all that he did to educate the world on Fatima. May he rest in peace and may God's Perpetual light shine upon his soul. ...but, with all due respect, the important thing that they did not point out in this video is that the Mass is not intended for us. There is only one purpose of the Mass and that is to give glory to God! Americans have become all about themselves so much that they lose sight of this. If you have loved ones who can't understand the Latin Mass like the person who wrote this question, please explain to your friends and family how the Latin Mass was declared by Pope Saint Pius V to be said "in perpetuity" which meant that it should never be changed. It is the unbloody reenactment of Calvary and it is all about the Sacrifice which is all that matters. Go read the encyclical, "Quo Primum" by Pope Saint Pius V and understand why he said this is the only Mass that matters. He knew that they were coming to destroy it at the time that he wrote it.
Just wondering, the New Order Mass is called "A celebration" "Celebration of the Mass" is this term new to the Mass? It seems that the traditional Latin Mass emphasizes the sacrificial aspect more (with it's solemn, but beautiful, rituals) - whereas the New Order stresses a community gathering - celebration. Is the mass a celebration then?
+cor_pro34fan The term "celebrate" (and related terms, e.g. "celebrant," referring to the priest who says or sings Mass, as opposed to the sacred ministers who assist him, and "celebret," a document issued by a priest's bishop affirming that the bearer is a priest and free to say Mass -- literally, in Latin, "he may celebrate") is not new to Catholic theology, but it is certainly used differently now than it was in times past. Perusing the works of Father Adrian Fortescue or various articles about the Mass in the 1911 edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia (www.newadvent.org/cathen/10006a.htm www.newadvent.org/cathen/09790b.htm) will give an idea of how the term was used without bias to the New Theology of recent decades. It is clear that the present practice of displacing the customary reference to "the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass" in favor of referring to merely "the celebration of the Mass" is, like the text of the Novus Ordo itself, an obfuscation of the sacrificial nature of the Mass.
Latin mass is still the most beautiful mass of all time. It is the root of most European languages. It has the most beautiful music as it is the most beautiful language Language of the scholar, it helps you learn easily the scholarly studies.
John Vennari A question for you , I live in a big city but , every single Catholic Church so far does NOT do the traditional latin mass so ....with our Blessed Mother's warnings about the dangers of changing the faith, is it a sin to go to a mass that is not in latin? Blessed Mother has said time and time again to go to the Sacraments as Jesus , her Son waits for us there .... I have heard many say its a sin to attend and I just am trying to do the right thing here Can you shed some light on the subject ? I miss the old masses, I miss everything about the old ways, the way things used to be and should be done in the church. The Latin Mass is so beautiful ....
+Just Wazz You must find a Traditional, SSPX, Mass near you. Even if you can't make Mass weekly.. I may be able to assist to in finding one. The Novus Ordo contains words that are odious in the sight of God, in fulfillment of that which was related to Mary-Julie Jahenny catholictradition.org/Passion/jahenny.htm. God would rather you didn't go to Mass at all and perform a spiritual Communion each day, than attend that. The beauty of the Mass is utterly subordinate to the truth of the Mass, although you are right, it is truly beautiful. God bless!
Oh thank you so much I APPRECIATE it so much. I do not attend mass I go to Church when no one is there and pray the Rosary , Stations of the cross and it feels right. God bless you too.. THANKYOU !
+Just Wazz You are most welcome, sister in Christ. I, personally, would not even so much as enter a Church used for the 'celebration' of the Novus Ordo Mass falsely so-called. God does not dwell there, if you ask me, and is rather driven away therefrom. I am of the opinion that Our Lord would be better pleased by a daily spiritual Communion and daily Rosary, and any other devotions you can do. That is, if you can't find a Traditional Latin Mass, which you have an obligation, as a Catholic, under pain of mortal sin, to seek out and attend, if possible. Here are where you can find SSPX chapels (in the USA): sspx.org/en/mass-locator For anywhere not in the USA, you can find the respective SSPX website and look for a Mass near you. I can help, if you need help finding one. God bless!
Wonderful, I agree with all you say and I know prayer is the key to finding the truth for all of us . Thank you so much. It never surprises me when God sends me people who are of the same faith and beliefs as I am. God is great... Have a most Blessed Easter and I will remember you in my prayers.
It is the language spoken by the Romans during the time of Christ. It is spoken by Cesar, Cicero, Ovid, during the time of the Roman Empire in Europe and middle east.
Maybe they're not "getting anything out of it " because it focuses on God, not the parishioners. I'm making an effort to attend Latin mass, I've learned my prayers in Latin and read a short guide on it yesterday. I remember a few things from my childhood when it changed. My Mom had a bumper sticker that said "Don't Protestantize the Catholic Church ". Fortunately, she taught my Catechism classes. Thanks for another excellent video. I depend on you for clear catechesis.
Yes unfortunately this has been a catechesis of the New order Mass that people now believe that the mass is about them and not about God. I had someone tell me just yesterday that she talked to a former priest that's got to tell you something right there that's sad the mass is supposed to be for the people. I said absolutely not the mass is supposed to be for God it's about worshiping God not about doing anything for us necessarily. The fact that we get anything out of it is secondary not primary. But these new order people have been catechized to believe that we must quote on quote get something out of the mass for ourselves. I guess I used to believe that too because I was catechized in that New order theology or Vatican two theology whatever you want to call it.
I was born when they changed the Holy Sacrifice Mass to a more Protestant approach I was at an early age when I was not at age of reason yet for I remember our mother brings us to the church to attend the Saturday night Mass in a small church for we are at a rural area women wearing veils then there was railings before the altar and people would kneel and receive the communion in their tongue for I was watching from the seat for we are not allowed yet for we are very young then suddenly all is gone railings and kneeling then lay man gives the communion as I grow old I was exposed to Marian lovers and I was introduced to the rosary more than my mother did then I attended a Tridentine Mass underground once yes I did not understand the words but I found it intriguing and for it was forbidden at that time and found out it was the Holy Mass before it was hard to find one and it was not in the church it was in a library it was truly forbidden it was late 1980’s 1989 probably then I never anymore for it was not available until I move here in America decades passed i always wish I could attend a Latin Mass I thought America don’t have it for this country is so worldly and it has a culture of Sodom and Gomorrah divorce abortion and the liberal view and what you can see hear In the media but I searched for it one day and found out only this year that there is Latin thanks to cell phone and my curiosity given by God I typed Tridentine Mass and found very few and far away from where I live but I went and attend one this year now I found its beauty gives me the feel of the Calvary for I see it is truly an experience of you are at foot of the cross and the focus is the Host the center is Christ the infinite act of love and mercy and infinite adoration infinite gratitude towards the Eternal Father and giving of Christ Himself So He can be in Us and it is accepted with due reverence and humility by kneeling and by tongue for in my young age when I attended catechism the teachings was tongue only and never ever by hand for it is a sacrilegious act a sin against the divinity of God and it is a sin against the Holy Spirit and it cannot be forgiven unless you repent confess do penance and do not do it anymore in the missal there is a interpretation of Latin and it can be read Latin Mass has to come back for it is The Holy Sacrifice of Mass it not a meal and or symbolism it is truly the act of divine sacrifice again of Jesus Christ when it is done … God never change and his divine truth is true yesterday today and forever and for eternity..
If you see Hindu people still using Sanskrit for their service and scripture reading without any doubt, then ... why not Catholics ? One naturally thinks ... Anglican liturgy is still kind of Sanskrit (=refined) English. What do you think about English version of Roman Catholic liturgy ? It will be so great to see Catholics use their own official language, which is Latin, triumphantly and dramatically, as it’s the thing they used to do very well.
Yes, we are bound in conscience to the Church's traditional rites, which come to us in ancient languages, from ancient times, even from the Apostles themselves. This is our precious patrimony as Catholics, and it is a formally condemned notion that these rites should be changed into vernacular languages. (Council of Trent, Session 22, Canon 9: "If anyone says ... that the Mass should be said in vernacular only, let him be anathema." See www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/TRENT22.HTM)
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV God was manifest in the flesh....trinity teaches Jesus was with God before Jesus birth....so trinity which one manifest in the flesh?
@@steveawesome7834 Well, since he's an ancestor of mine, I guess I could stick for him a bit here... He wrote (caused to be written) for the common people there at the time in a manner and in wording they could be expected to 'try' and understand, and he instituted various foundations with grants of money and property, to permit the ordinary mass of people to be able to have their kids educated. However, if you like, you CAN indeed pray in the original Aramaic and Greek languages in which the source texts were originally actually written, none of which EVER having been ACTUALLY WRITTEN DOWN either in Hebrew other than in a form of shorthand, or in English, are of course not at all accurately TRANSLATED anywhere, even now. There is no such prayer, therefore, as this: 'Our Father who is (or 'art' if you like) in Heaven...' ...Because that's not what it says, does it?
Regarding the issue of alterations and revisions made to the Roman Missal in recent decades, including those changes made mandatory by Pope Pius XII in 1955, see the section headed "From 1570 to the 1960s" in the article here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Missal
maybe we should remind these folks that this is not Protestantism and the mass is not entertainment...sounds like these folks have a protestant notion of what the church is,,,they want their ears tickled,,,they want a seeker friendly church where the church bows to their desires,,,,Also, at the mass its like you are at the foot of the cross so if you dont "get anything out of that" maybe its because you don't have a proper understanding of your sin and your need for a savior,,,what christian can stand at the foot of the cross and claim they get nothing out of it,,,its a clear indication something is wrong,,,,the theology of the person may be errant. We are dealing with millions of people who have no idea what the church is or what the mass is ,,,HEAVEN HELP US!
No he did it in Arabic which is also a sacred liturgical language that is used in some Eastern Rites. The three sacred liturgical languages are Aramaic, latin, Greek. The reason for this is because those are the languages that were on the cross. Those are also the original languages of the beginnings of the Catholic Church meaning Christianity.
Thank you for your comment. It is not necessary to follow or pray along with all of the prayers which the priest offers at Holy Mass, but it is a beautiful practice to do so, made simple and easy by using a missal. God bless you.
You'll begin to understand it after you go to the traditional Latin Mass for a couple of months or a couple of years. For me it's been more like a couple of years. I'm kind of a slow learner I guess. But yes definitely get yourself an English Latin missile and then you can follow right along from day one
The correct question is: Why go to Mass? When people make a distinction between the New Order mass and the Mass (the Mass said in Latin in the Roman Rite), they think they're comparing two Masses. But there is only one: The Mass, from before 1950. The Novus Ordo thing is not a Mass and should be avoided, always. The Modernists posing as Catholic foisted it upon us, throwing out the Mass (in most places) and forcing diocesan priests to do the modern thing. There was no good reason for that to happen.
I disagree about hierisy not being able to creep in when the mass is said in Latin. Plenty of hierisies have made their way in even when that was the norm. ie. Protestantism.
Heresies didn’t enter the MASS, they entered some of the priests saying it and some of the laity hearing it. The MASS like the Church is not susceptible to that kind of destruction.
1:56 there is no such thing as Bach's 9th symphony. That was Beethoven. Maybe a bit of culture would have been better than bad satire of would be German accents, Mr. .
***** lol, the BWV certainly includes more than 9 works, and more than 9 orchestral ones, but that is not what this man meant, nor are they symphonies in the sense the word was used in classical times, a sort of terminus technicus in music.
Many people have been miss-lead and lied to, regarding the gift of speaking in tongues it is very biblical, and has never been done away with. In fact it is the first miracle when the Church was born on the day of Pentecost EVERY believer spoke in tongues. I have found the answer to my question and found a congregation that is international with every Nation represented in this holy place, the wonderful thing about this congregation is everyone can pray in their native tongue/language. I have re-entered the Catholic Church after 32 years, it is the most healing decision that I ever made. Every thing is centered around our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (God in flesh) the worlds messiah, SHALOM, PEACE, LOVE, JOY, HOPE, FAITH, ALL THE Virtues of our LORD is in the catholic Church.
The real church of God should NOT have any prejudice in them. The Lord is removing Years of FEAR that false doctrines, If you have hate in your heart toward humanity then you are being deceived. I'm going to pray that the LORD Jesus Christ set you free from this hatred. A real gift of God stands the test of time. Multi lingual Child of God Almighty. Shalom/Peace to everyone.
The answer to my question is YES, praying in the spirit is acceptable by the Catholic Church within the Charismatic Renewal Services. The whole MASS is focused on our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It does sadden me sometimes that other Christians cannot recognize another Christian and reconcile their differences. Shalom
Romans 11:29 The gifts and calling of God are without repentance. IF the gift of tongues was done away with then the gift of wisdom and all the other gifts would be too. Is the Holy Spirit still present? Have all the other gifts removed been removed? EVERY CATHOLIC laity has access to this wonderful gift. You only need to ask for this gift.
+julie hnatiuk And yet it is to the Church's traditional rites that we are bound, which come to us in ancient languages, from ancient times, even from the Apostles themselves. This is our precious patrimony as Catholics, and it is a formally condemned notion that these rites should be changed into vernacular languages. (Council of Trent, Session 22, Canon 9: "If anyone says ... that the Mass should be said in vernacular only, let him be anathema." See www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/TRENT22.HTM)
It’s the older generation that particularly likes the new mass. I attend an SSPX chapel and I wear a veil whenever I enter the presence of Jesus in the sacrament. I didn’t learn this growing up in the novus ordo Church, but it makes sense to me. Many older women are happy not to veil at church.
To claim that the Mass has to be celebrated in Latin is to make the Mass into an idolatrous entity. There is nothing sacred in Latin. We living today have just as much right to establish our own way of celebrating as did our ancestors in the faith. If someone claims that Mary has ordered Mass to be n Latin, you can bet that is deception. If anything celebrate it in the language of Jesus and the early disciples. Otherwise you are an idolater....Mass is for the people....period!
"I have delivered unto you that which I also received" (1 Cor. 15:3), said St. Paul. Regardless of your desire for novelty and independence from tradition, the unchangeable fact remains (and must always remain, according to both divine law and the defined dogma of Catholic Faith) that the rites of the Church are traditional. The Council of Trent under Pope Paul III (1547, Session VII, Canon 13, Dz. 856) infallibly defined that we are bound in conscience to adhere to these traditional liturgical customs, since no one in the Church, not even a Pope, has the authority to set aside these received and approved rites for a new rite: “If anyone says that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church customarily used in the solemn administration of the sacraments may be despised, or may be freely omitted by the ministers without sin, or may be CHANGED INTO OTHER NEW RITES BY ANY CHURCH PASTOR WHOMSOEVER, let him be anathema.”
There are 3 sacred languages. Koine Greek, Latin and Hebrew. All three were on the Cross where our redemption happened. All 3 tongues are used in the traditional latin Mass, but mostly latin because it is the only language that doesn't belong to a people, a true universal language.
How can you translate gregorian chants into other languages? You cant, it doesnt sound right...catholicism is tradition also, latin was tradition for 1960 years, why put it out of tradition?
Council of Trent Session 22 states of anyone says that the Mass ought to be said everywhere in the vulgar tongue (vernacular), ANATHEMA SIT. Yes, the Mass is for our good, not Gods (He doesn’t need the Mass, but we are commanded to celebrate it by Christ Himself), but the text of the Mass is NOT an explanation to the faithful as to what is going on: it is part of the ritual of Christ’s Sacrifice to the Father.
Nicholas Sadntzky My most beloved Saviour, Jesus, is my Judge and his most Holy Mother, my advocate. You come here as a scoundrel to mislead and deceive. If my most beloved God has not given me insight than I call on Him to immediately strike me Down in Death so that I may not mislead. Likewise; I ask him the same for you. So, that all may know that The true Catholic Faith and Holy Traditional Latin Mass is the way to the Truth and God. If you are misleading, then I ask him that he may strike you down so that you do not mislead.
RexVictorEmanuel Hide your lack of understanding. Their are more then 18 rites in the Catholic Church - and many do not and have never used the Latin Mass. By the way, neither did The Lord, Our Blessed Mother, Queen of Heaven and Earth, the Virgin Mary, not did Sts. Peter and Paul nor the other apostles. Before you make pronouncements on the Faith - study and learn it. Realize that Our Lord does not fit into our limited understandings but is constantly expanding our understandings. Recall both the early church's and St. Peter's understanding of what was unclean. God's response was to tell Peter NOT TO CALL UNCLEAN WHAT HE CALLS CLEAN.
Nicholas Sadntzky "Judge not least you be judged." Apparently you are the "Hypocrite" who can not even abide by his own LAW !!! Hide my love for Christ? Never !!! You are a the deceiver who brings Diabolical Disorientation to the lambs of the Church of Christ !!! All those in the English language are subject to the rites of the Latin mass. The show is in English talking to English speakers about the Latin Mass. The comment is in English for the English speakers. Therefore; mister Imbecile, rites are for the Latin Mass !!! Jesus is my Judge !!! You can't accept That, for you can't accept Jesus Christ at ALL !!! Your hatred for Christ and contempt for his Church shows just as much as your Lame thumbing up of your own comment !!!
RexVictorEmanuel Come on. How Church survived 1500 years before the Council of Trent? The official language of the Church and Scripture was Greek during first several centuries. What that makes people, saints, rites and popes of those times? Heretical? Latin is not the only ritual language of the Church. Greek is too. I come from the part of the world which perfomed Catholic *Glagolitic Rite* for centuries, in Old Slavic language which was standardised same as Latin, and unchanged in liturgy. Rite is performed sacredly and reverently, centuries before there was Council of Trent. The language learned by St Methodius, patron saint of Europe, who helped translating scripture into it, and devised an alphabet too. It is interesting that St Methodius did not impose Latin on Slavic people, but used reverent form of Slavic language to make them Christians. There is also Glagolitic liturgical chant, unique form of music similar to Gregorian chant, but different and immensely beautiful. Next time you come to Vatican, take a look at several Glagolitic Missals. Those are all important parts of the Catholic tradition, so lets not stomp on all that, please. Problem with Novus Ordo Mass after 1960s *in the Western world*, is very lightly taken problem of translation, AND the spirit of irreverence on many points that brooded in those times. The liturgy itself was changed, and with bad and compromised translation, we have what we have. On the other hand, some nations in the Central Europe upon which the Novus Ordo was also imposed upon after 1960s, already had an old mass and liturgical language which was almost same as the vernacular. New translation was not necessary. Now listen to beautiful Glagolitic lenten chant: th-cam.com/video/jgsSNcmlXO8/w-d-xo.html
RIP Fr. Gruner, may God have you in Heaven.
I thank you for being such a big inspiration to me, Father Gruner. May you rest in peace!
I love how he explains how Latin preserves the prayers. That's powerful.
It's sad to see people complaning about having a Latin Mass while here, where I live I'm fighting to have one.
Father at St. Patrick's here in New Orleans give beautiful latin mass. It not boring. It Gregorian chanting. Sunday 9:30 in the morning. Confession 30 mins before mass. There always a line. Don't worry about parking. Drive around you will find parking. No ticket hand out Sunday. Ladies don't forget your veil. This mass is what I'm been waiting for a long time. Thank God that I'm still here to experience the sacred and sacrifice of the mass. Thanks JESUS. Latin mass help me to celebrated the living JESUS. Our God is not dead. He here with us.
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me"(John 14:6) Receiving Jesus in the hand without kneeling is displeasing to God.. at the Latin mass also, you receive Him kneeling , on the tongue, in reverence, by a priest..
@@petercarlson811 A priest's hands are consecrated. How can you touch the Host if your hands are NOT consecrated? Also, did you know the council that rewrote the Mass had one Catholic member and the rest were Protestant? This was done "to please the Protestants". Do your research and ask God for guidance.
@@shortnessoftime8783 Cardinal Ottaviani clearly states that it seems to have been done to please the protestants.
I hope these two get to see how many souls they saved when in heaven.
I am an ex-Catholic who recently learned about V2, the Novus Ordo & the Latin Mass. I don't mind Latin & in fact prefer it because it's the language of Heaven & the Church. If you do Mass in everyone's vernacular, you have confusion & God is not the author of confusion. The Evil One is.
I pray you can one day make your way back home to the Church
You where never a Catholic..
It was also the language of the Roman Empire not precisely known for it's "heavily conduct" if the language is all that you like the church may not be for you
@@thomasjust2663 The Mass, that is the old way, is not simply different due to its language. It actually wouldn’t be so much of a problem if it was translated exactly into English. The real issue is that the mass is different, prayers have been changed and removed. For me the priest facing the people is the biggest tell.
@@JohnSmith-hm2tt and I predict the Church may have eventually adopted vernacular languages, BUT the Protestants beat them to it. So, it took longer because vernacularism was seen as a Protestant practice at the time.
we catholics should support and restore the traditional latin mass that creates Saints ,
1500 years of catholicism created so many saints, it wasn't wrong.
Our Lady if Fatima PRAY FOR US
The Eastern Catholic Churches also use the ancient Liturgies of the Church. Their Liturgies are unchanged and composed by the Saints (St. John Chrysostom, St. Basil the Great, St. Gregory the Great, St. James the Brother of the Lord, etc.).
@@Marg1312 St. Gregory the Great composed what we now know as the Traditional Latin Mass. However, he also composed the Divine Liturgy of PreSanctified Gifts (essentially Vespers with distribution of Holy Communion) for use during week days of the Great Fast for the Byzantine Rite.
@@Marg1312 What do you mean? Did you not know that "Mass" is slang for Divine Liturgy?
How do you feel about the pre 1955- Roman Missal? Is it allowed for anyone to attend masses said according to that rite?
God Bless Fr. Gruner and the Fatima Center!!!!
Yes, by all accounts it is superior to the 1962 edition of the Missal, but either edition represents the same correct traditional Roman Rite of Mass.
I like the Latin mass. People have gone for Latin mass for centuries.
Even the great saints
"It's dead because it doesn't change." Wow, that's so true. Being raised in the protestant perspective, I only hear about this topic from the idea that vernacular mass was more "democratic" and equalizing than Latin. But Latin does have it's advantages 1) uniformity is preserved, and 2) universal and uniting for all Catholic believers (no lost in translation!). Plus Latin is a beautiful language and enjoyable to listen to even if you don't know what all the words mean.
Please pray for me as I kindly share to my parents about the TLM and its beauty, and how can I draw them to it. Please pray for God's wisdom and humility to flow to me. Let us also pray for the spread and comeback of this beautiful worship to God that sustained many saints in their journey to holiness, especially St. Padre Pio. May God bless us all!!! Deo Gratias! (P.S: We haven't attended one but I'm currently studying and even watching the flow of the mass from Fr. Michael Rodriguez. So, please also pray that we may attend one by the will of God. Thank you.)
Did you go?
So many Catholics would never have known about the messages of Fatima if it were
not for you, Fr. Nicolas Gruner. If you had not been so loyal to Our Lord and His mother, the Blessed Virgin Mary, her warnings would be much more hidden. Thank you for writing Crucial Truths '. I am passing it out to those who would most likely read and pay attention to Our Lady. I pray for the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and that it be done by the Pope in union with the Cardinals as Our Lady asked in Fatima. I pray for it in my daily rosary. Diane A..
I have much respect for Father Gruner and all that he did to educate the world on Fatima. May he rest in peace and may God's Perpetual light shine upon his soul.
...but, with all due respect, the important thing that they did not point out in this video is that the Mass is not intended for us. There is only one purpose of the Mass and that is to give glory to God!
Americans have become all about themselves so much that they lose sight of this.
If you have loved ones who can't understand the Latin Mass like the person who wrote this question, please explain to your friends and family how the Latin Mass was declared by Pope Saint Pius V to be said "in perpetuity" which meant that it should never be changed. It is the unbloody reenactment of Calvary and it is all about the Sacrifice which is all that matters.
Go read the encyclical, "Quo Primum" by Pope Saint Pius V and understand why he said this is the only Mass that matters. He knew that they were coming to destroy it at the time that he wrote it.
Fr.Gruner ple a e pray for me and MichaelJohn n Fr n all souls from HEAVEN
They are beautiful ceremonies.
Just wondering, the New Order Mass is called "A celebration" "Celebration of the Mass" is this term new to the Mass? It seems that the traditional Latin Mass emphasizes the sacrificial aspect more (with it's solemn, but beautiful, rituals) - whereas the New Order stresses a community gathering - celebration. Is the mass a celebration then?
+cor_pro34fan The term "celebrate" (and related terms, e.g. "celebrant," referring to the priest who says or sings Mass, as opposed to the sacred ministers who assist him, and "celebret," a document issued by a priest's bishop affirming that the bearer is a priest and free to say Mass -- literally, in Latin, "he may celebrate") is not new to Catholic theology, but it is certainly used differently now than it was in times past. Perusing the works of Father Adrian Fortescue or various articles about the Mass in the 1911 edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia (www.newadvent.org/cathen/10006a.htm www.newadvent.org/cathen/09790b.htm) will give an idea of how the term was used without bias to the New Theology of recent decades. It is clear that the present practice of displacing the customary reference to "the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass" in favor of referring to merely "the celebration of the Mass" is, like the text of the Novus Ordo itself, an obfuscation of the sacrificial nature of the Mass.
Latin mass is still the most beautiful mass of all time.
It is the root of most European languages.
It has the most beautiful music as it is the most beautiful language
Language of the scholar, it helps you learn easily the scholarly studies.
John Vennari A question for you , I live in a big city but , every single Catholic Church so far does NOT do the traditional latin mass so ....with our Blessed Mother's warnings about the dangers of changing the faith, is it a sin to go to a mass that is not in latin? Blessed Mother has said time and time again to go to the Sacraments as Jesus , her Son waits for us there .... I have heard many say its a sin to attend and I just am trying to do the right thing here Can you shed some light on the subject ? I miss the old masses, I miss everything about the old ways, the way things used to be and should be done in the church. The Latin Mass is so beautiful ....
+Just Wazz You must find a Traditional, SSPX, Mass near you. Even if you can't make Mass weekly.. I may be able to assist to in finding one.
The Novus Ordo contains words that are odious in the sight of God, in fulfillment of that which was related to Mary-Julie Jahenny catholictradition.org/Passion/jahenny.htm.
God would rather you didn't go to Mass at all and perform a spiritual Communion each day, than attend that.
The beauty of the Mass is utterly subordinate to the truth of the Mass, although you are right, it is truly beautiful.
God bless!
Oh thank you so much I APPRECIATE it so much. I do not attend mass I go to Church when no one is there and pray the Rosary , Stations of the cross and it feels right. God bless you too.. THANKYOU !
Great info I am ordering her book so I have it here to reference.
+Just Wazz You are most welcome, sister in Christ. I, personally, would not even so much as enter a Church used for the 'celebration' of the Novus Ordo Mass falsely so-called. God does not dwell there, if you ask me, and is rather driven away therefrom.
I am of the opinion that Our Lord would be better pleased by a daily spiritual Communion and daily Rosary, and any other devotions you can do. That is, if you can't find a Traditional Latin Mass, which you have an obligation, as a Catholic, under pain of mortal sin, to seek out and attend, if possible.
Here are where you can find SSPX chapels (in the USA):
sspx.org/en/mass-locator
For anywhere not in the USA, you can find the respective SSPX website and look for a Mass near you. I can help, if you need help finding one.
God bless!
Wonderful, I agree with all you say and I know prayer is the key to finding the truth for all of us . Thank you so much. It never surprises me when God sends me people who are of the same faith and beliefs as I am. God is great... Have a most Blessed Easter and I will remember you in my prayers.
It is the language spoken by the Romans during the time of Christ.
It is spoken by Cesar, Cicero, Ovid, during the time of the Roman Empire in Europe and middle east.
Maybe they're not "getting anything out of it " because it focuses on God, not the parishioners. I'm making an effort to attend Latin mass, I've learned my prayers in Latin and read a short guide on it yesterday. I remember a few things from my childhood when it changed. My Mom had a bumper sticker that said "Don't Protestantize the Catholic Church ". Fortunately, she taught my Catechism classes.
Thanks for another excellent video. I depend on you for clear catechesis.
Yes unfortunately this has been a catechesis of the New order Mass that people now believe that the mass is about them and not about God. I had someone tell me just yesterday that she talked to a former priest that's got to tell you something right there that's sad the mass is supposed to be for the people. I said absolutely not the mass is supposed to be for God it's about worshiping God not about doing anything for us necessarily. The fact that we get anything out of it is secondary not primary. But these new order people have been catechized to believe that we must quote on quote get something out of the mass for ourselves. I guess I used to believe that too because I was catechized in that New order theology or Vatican two theology whatever you want to call it.
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Yup. Thank you. 🙏
I was born when they changed the Holy Sacrifice Mass to a more Protestant approach I was at an early age when I was not at age of reason yet for I remember our mother brings us to the church to attend the Saturday night Mass in a small church for we are at a rural area women wearing veils then there was railings before the altar and people would kneel and receive the communion in their tongue for I was watching from the seat for we are not allowed yet for we are very young then suddenly all is gone railings and kneeling then lay man gives the communion as I grow old I was exposed to Marian lovers and I was introduced to the rosary more than my mother did then I attended a Tridentine Mass underground once yes I did not understand the words but I found it intriguing and for it was forbidden at that time and found out it was the Holy Mass before it was hard to find one and it was not in the church it was in a library it was truly forbidden it was late 1980’s 1989 probably then I never anymore for it was not available until I move here in America decades passed i always wish I could attend a Latin Mass I thought America don’t have it for this country is so worldly and it has a culture of Sodom and Gomorrah divorce abortion and the liberal view and what you can see hear In the media but I searched for it one day and found out only this year that there is Latin thanks to cell phone and my curiosity given by God I typed Tridentine Mass and found very few and far away from where I live but I went and attend one this year now I found its beauty gives me the feel of the Calvary for I see it is truly an experience of you are at foot of the cross and the focus is the Host the center is Christ the infinite act of love and mercy and infinite adoration infinite gratitude towards the Eternal Father and giving of Christ Himself So He can be in Us and it is accepted with due reverence and humility by kneeling and by tongue for in my young age when I attended catechism the teachings was tongue only and never ever by hand for it is a sacrilegious act a sin against the divinity of God and it is a sin against the Holy Spirit and it cannot be forgiven unless you repent confess do penance and do not do it anymore in the missal there is a interpretation of Latin and it can be read Latin Mass has to come back for it is The Holy Sacrifice of Mass it not a meal and or symbolism it is truly the act of divine sacrifice again of Jesus Christ when it is done … God never change and his divine truth is true yesterday today and forever and for eternity..
If you see Hindu people still using Sanskrit for their service and scripture reading without any doubt, then ... why not Catholics ? One naturally thinks ...
Anglican liturgy is still kind of Sanskrit (=refined) English. What do you think about English version of Roman Catholic liturgy ?
It will be so great to see Catholics use their own official language, which is Latin, triumphantly and dramatically, as it’s the thing they used to do very well.
Yes, we are bound in conscience to the Church's traditional rites, which come to us in ancient languages, from ancient times, even from the Apostles themselves. This is our precious patrimony as Catholics, and it is a formally condemned notion that these rites should be changed into vernacular languages. (Council of Trent, Session 22, Canon 9: "If anyone says ... that the Mass should be said in vernacular only, let him be anathema." See www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/TRENT22.HTM)
Can someone help me😢It's very hard to find a Traditional Latin Church... What do I do because I'm still attending Vatican 2...
sspx.org/en/community/priories
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
God was manifest in the flesh....trinity teaches Jesus was with God before Jesus birth....so trinity which one manifest in the flesh?
Jesus, God the Word, became flesh.
Who gave King James the authority to edit the Bible?
@@steveawesome7834 Well, since he's an ancestor of mine, I guess I could stick for him a bit here... He wrote (caused to be written) for the common people there at the time in a manner and in wording they could be expected to 'try' and understand, and he instituted various foundations with grants of money and property, to permit the ordinary mass of people to be able to have their kids educated.
However, if you like, you CAN indeed pray in the original Aramaic and Greek languages in which the source texts were originally actually written, none of which EVER having been ACTUALLY WRITTEN DOWN either in Hebrew other than in a form of shorthand, or in English, are of course not at all accurately TRANSLATED anywhere, even now.
There is no such prayer, therefore, as this: 'Our Father who is (or 'art' if you like) in Heaven...'
...Because that's not what it says, does it?
Was the Latin Mass changed in the 1940's
Regarding the issue of alterations and revisions made to the Roman Missal in recent decades, including those changes made mandatory by Pope Pius XII in 1955, see the section headed "From 1570 to the 1960s" in the article here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Missal
maybe we should remind these folks that this is not Protestantism and the mass is not entertainment...sounds like these folks have a protestant notion of what the church is,,,they want their ears tickled,,,they want a seeker friendly church where the church bows to their desires,,,,Also, at the mass its like you are at the foot of the cross so if you dont "get anything out of that" maybe its because you don't have a proper understanding of your sin and your need for a savior,,,what christian can stand at the foot of the cross and claim they get nothing out of it,,,its a clear indication something is wrong,,,,the theology of the person may be errant. We are dealing with millions of people who have no idea what the church is or what the mass is ,,,HEAVEN HELP US!
Did Jesus do Mass in Latin?
No he did it in Arabic which is also a sacred liturgical language that is used in some Eastern Rites. The three sacred liturgical languages are Aramaic, latin, Greek. The reason for this is because those are the languages that were on the cross. Those are also the original languages of the beginnings of the Catholic Church meaning Christianity.
I don't understand Latin
Thank you for your comment. It is not necessary to follow or pray along with all of the prayers which the priest offers at Holy Mass, but it is a beautiful practice to do so, made simple and easy by using a missal. God bless you.
You'll begin to understand it after you go to the traditional Latin Mass for a couple of months or a couple of years. For me it's been more like a couple of years. I'm kind of a slow learner I guess. But yes definitely get yourself an English Latin missile and then you can follow right along from day one
The correct question is: Why go to Mass?
When people make a distinction between the New Order mass and the Mass (the Mass said in Latin in the Roman Rite), they think they're comparing two Masses. But there is only one: The Mass, from before 1950.
The Novus Ordo thing is not a Mass and should be avoided, always. The Modernists posing as Catholic foisted it upon us, throwing out the Mass (in most places) and forcing diocesan priests to do the modern thing. There was no good reason for that to happen.
you are a heretic. you are anathama. self excommunicated. look it up. (i bet you have to read it in english)
I disagree about hierisy not being able to creep in when the mass is said in Latin. Plenty of hierisies have made their way in even when that was the norm. ie. Protestantism.
Protestants are lost
Heresies didn’t enter the MASS, they entered some of the priests saying it and some of the laity hearing it. The MASS like the Church is not susceptible to that kind of destruction.
1:56 there is no such thing as Bach's 9th symphony. That was Beethoven. Maybe a bit of culture would have been better than bad satire of would be German accents, Mr. .
***** lol, the BWV certainly includes more than 9 works, and more than 9 orchestral ones, but that is not what this man meant, nor are they symphonies in the sense the word was used in classical times, a sort of terminus technicus in music.
Soteriologe He corrects himself.
Un seul pape aujour’hui, plusieurs “ sous- papes “ !
Can I openly speak in tongues during Mass?
Many people have been miss-lead and lied to, regarding the gift of speaking in tongues it is very biblical, and has never been done away with. In fact it is the first miracle when the Church was born on the day of Pentecost EVERY believer spoke in tongues. I have found the answer to my question and found a congregation that is international with every Nation represented in this holy place, the wonderful thing about this congregation is everyone can pray in their native tongue/language. I have re-entered the Catholic Church after 32 years, it is the most healing decision that I ever made. Every thing is centered around our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (God in flesh) the worlds messiah, SHALOM, PEACE, LOVE, JOY, HOPE, FAITH, ALL THE Virtues of our LORD is in the catholic Church.
The real church of God should NOT have any prejudice in them. The Lord is removing Years of FEAR that false doctrines, If you have hate in your heart toward humanity then you are being deceived. I'm going to pray that the LORD Jesus Christ set you free from this hatred. A real gift of God stands the test of time. Multi lingual Child of God Almighty. Shalom/Peace to everyone.
The answer to my question is YES, praying in the spirit is acceptable by the Catholic Church within the Charismatic Renewal Services. The whole MASS is focused on our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It does sadden me sometimes that other Christians cannot recognize another Christian and reconcile their differences. Shalom
No, your sick with a hateful heart and the sad thing is you don't even realize it. I'm going to pray for you.
Romans 11:29 The gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
IF the gift of tongues was done away with then the gift of wisdom and all the other gifts would be too.
Is the Holy Spirit still present? Have all the other gifts removed been removed?
EVERY CATHOLIC laity has access to this wonderful gift. You only need to ask for this gift.
I,m so glad to go to Mass in my language. Jesus didn;t speak in Latin,
+julie hnatiuk And yet it is to the Church's traditional rites that we are bound, which come to us in ancient languages, from ancient times, even from the Apostles themselves. This is our precious patrimony as Catholics, and it is a formally condemned notion that these rites should be changed into vernacular languages. (Council of Trent, Session 22, Canon 9: "If anyone says ... that the Mass should be said in vernacular only, let him be anathema." See www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/TRENT22.HTM)
+julie hnatiuk It's comments like yours, that create division within the House of the Lord. This is coming from a young person.
julie hnatiuk or English either.
He actually did speak Latin
It’s the older generation that particularly likes the new mass. I attend an SSPX chapel and I wear a veil whenever I enter the presence of Jesus in the sacrament. I didn’t learn this growing up in the novus ordo Church, but it makes sense to me. Many older women are happy not to veil at church.
Ave Rex
To claim that the Mass has to be celebrated in Latin is to make the Mass into an idolatrous entity. There is nothing sacred in Latin. We living today have just as much right to establish our own way of celebrating as did our ancestors in the faith. If someone claims that Mary has ordered Mass to be n Latin, you can bet that is deception. If anything celebrate it in the language of Jesus and the early disciples. Otherwise you are an idolater....Mass is for the people....period!
"I have delivered unto you that which I also received" (1 Cor. 15:3), said St. Paul. Regardless of your desire for novelty and independence from tradition, the unchangeable fact remains (and must always remain, according to both divine law and the defined dogma of Catholic Faith) that the rites of the Church are traditional. The Council of Trent under Pope Paul III (1547, Session VII, Canon 13, Dz. 856) infallibly defined that we are bound in conscience to adhere to these traditional liturgical customs, since no one in the Church, not even a Pope, has the authority to set aside these received and approved rites for a new rite:
“If anyone says that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church customarily used in the solemn administration of the sacraments may be despised, or may be freely omitted by the ministers without sin, or may be CHANGED INTO OTHER NEW RITES BY ANY CHURCH PASTOR WHOMSOEVER, let him be anathema.”
It is not just abt latin. It is the reverence and respect demonstrated in it to God.
There are 3 sacred languages. Koine Greek, Latin and Hebrew. All three were on the Cross where our redemption happened. All 3 tongues are used in the traditional latin Mass, but mostly latin because it is the only language that doesn't belong to a people, a true universal language.
How can you translate gregorian chants into other languages? You cant, it doesnt sound right...catholicism is tradition also, latin was tradition for 1960 years, why put it out of tradition?
Council of Trent Session 22 states of anyone says that the Mass ought to be said everywhere in the vulgar tongue (vernacular), ANATHEMA SIT. Yes, the Mass is for our good, not Gods (He doesn’t need the Mass, but we are commanded to celebrate it by Christ Himself), but the text of the Mass is NOT an explanation to the faithful as to what is going on: it is part of the ritual of Christ’s Sacrifice to the Father.
To those who do not seek out God's Traditional Latin Mass, your names are not written in the Book of Life.
RexVictorEmanuel Judge not least you be judged. Friend - Who has given you an insight into The Lord's Book of Life.
Nicholas Sadntzky My most beloved Saviour, Jesus, is my Judge and his most Holy Mother, my advocate. You come here as a scoundrel to mislead and deceive. If my most beloved God has not given me insight than I call on Him to immediately strike me Down in Death so that I may not mislead. Likewise; I ask him the same for you. So, that all may know that The true Catholic Faith and Holy Traditional Latin Mass is the way to the Truth and God. If you are misleading, then I ask him that he may strike you down so that you do not mislead.
RexVictorEmanuel Hide your lack of understanding. Their are more then 18 rites in the Catholic Church - and many do not and have never used the Latin Mass. By the way, neither did The Lord, Our Blessed Mother, Queen of Heaven and Earth, the Virgin Mary, not did Sts. Peter and Paul nor the other apostles. Before you make pronouncements on the Faith - study and learn it. Realize that Our Lord does not fit into our limited understandings but is constantly expanding our understandings. Recall both the early church's and St. Peter's understanding of what was unclean. God's response was to tell Peter NOT TO CALL UNCLEAN WHAT HE CALLS CLEAN.
Nicholas Sadntzky "Judge not least you be judged." Apparently you are the "Hypocrite" who can not even abide by his own LAW !!!
Hide my love for Christ? Never !!! You are a the deceiver who brings Diabolical Disorientation to the lambs of the Church of Christ !!!
All those in the English language are subject to the rites of the Latin mass. The show is in English talking to English speakers about the Latin Mass. The comment is in English for the English speakers. Therefore; mister Imbecile, rites are for the Latin Mass !!! Jesus is my Judge !!!
You can't accept That, for you can't accept Jesus Christ at ALL !!!
Your hatred for Christ and contempt for his Church shows just as much as your Lame thumbing up of your own comment !!!
RexVictorEmanuel
Come on.
How Church survived 1500 years before the Council of Trent? The official language of the Church and Scripture was Greek during first several centuries. What that makes people, saints, rites and popes of those times? Heretical?
Latin is not the only ritual language of the Church. Greek is too. I come from the part of the world which perfomed Catholic *Glagolitic Rite* for centuries, in Old Slavic language which was standardised same as Latin, and unchanged in liturgy. Rite is performed sacredly and reverently, centuries before there was Council of Trent. The language learned by St Methodius, patron saint of Europe, who helped translating scripture into it, and devised an alphabet too. It is interesting that St Methodius did not impose Latin on Slavic people, but used reverent form of Slavic language to make them Christians.
There is also Glagolitic liturgical chant, unique form of music similar to Gregorian chant, but different and immensely beautiful. Next time you come to Vatican, take a look at several Glagolitic Missals. Those are all important parts of the Catholic tradition, so lets not stomp on all that, please.
Problem with Novus Ordo Mass after 1960s *in the Western world*, is very lightly taken problem of translation, AND the spirit of irreverence on many points that brooded in those times. The liturgy itself was changed, and with bad and compromised translation, we have what we have. On the other hand, some nations in the Central Europe upon which the Novus Ordo was also imposed upon after 1960s, already had an old mass and liturgical language which was almost same as the vernacular. New translation was not necessary.
Now listen to beautiful Glagolitic lenten chant:
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