I Wish You Could Learn Chinese from THIS Non-Native Speaker
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มิ.ย. 2024
- Heya, Rita aka Fàn Lǎoshī is here! FINALLY, I got to invite Linh Pham范庆聆 from Vietnam, one of the best Mandarin learners that I've ever known, to share her Mandarin learning journey and study life in Beijing with you all!
I still remember being stunned by her Chinese when I first heard her speaking on Clubhouse last year! Then I found out she debated in Mandarin Chinese representing my alma mater and won the national championship 8 years ago! She was also a fellow Chinese language teacher at Hanoi University (Hanu), and I feel so lucky for her students!
In the first half of our interview, we talk about:
0:00 How she learned incredibly advanced Mandarin Chinese in 4 years
13:57 Her first few trips to China and what surprised her
18:19 How she improved ever further at Beijing Language and Culture University
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Correction: Linh graduated from * Hanoi University (Hanu)*
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Perfect Mandarin pronunciation, even better than most Chinese who speak Chinese with an accent
I love these videos because it really shows you that learning Chinese to “perfection” is possible! Great encouragement and awesome content
Her hard work pays off finally, she is so amazing . As someone whose parents don't allow to study Foreign language . Learning Chinese is my hobby and it'll always be . I'll also work hard like her to speak like a native . This is so motivating for me .
i miss the days of having chinese class 5 times a week, at the time i complained about the daily quizzes and it was hard but i’m so glad i did it!
好羡慕她描述的北语这种学习氛围，大家在比赛的过程中相互学习，共同进步！好励志！
She's such an inspiration. I studied Mandarin throughout middle school and high school but I was never as passionate as her, so when I started university (did not major in language at all) I completely ditched Mandarin and only started practicing again after graduating university (2 years ago). I'm regretting not studying continuously because I'm not at the level I'm expected to be after studying for 7 years, but I'm taking it day by day and trying not to get too stressed. Language learning truly goes hand in hand with having a goal and passion, which I didn't have in the first place. My current goal is to pass the HSK4 and be more confident in speaking and listening skills. I really couldn't tell that she was Vietnamese at all! Her accent is actually easier to understand than a lot of native Chinese speakers, so despite her speaking fast, I could catch a lot of the words she said.
Linh speaks Mandarin better than some native speakers. Perfect pitch and accent, news anchor quality.
I'm a native Korean and German speaker who stayed in China for the last 25 years. Just like her, I did my master's at 北大 during the late 90s before moving to 深圳. My wife is a native Cantonese speaker from 廣州，so not only because of her but also thanks to the widespread 粵語 speaking community throughout the 珠江地區, I quickly got myself to understand 廣東話 in not more than 3 years. In terms of pronunciation, Southern Chinese dialects like 廣東話，閩南話，客家話 等等 share many similarities with Korean and Japanese.
But it wasn't until about 10 years ago when I made my first business trip to Hô-Chi-Minh（胡志明市）and then found out that this was the same case with Vietnamese. About more than a half of its vocab is easy to guess the meaning of it, with some knowledge about at least how to read Vietnamese. Actually the Vietnamese writing system is just like writing everything in 拼音 without using 漢字.
Vietnamese characters (chữ quốc ngữ) were created in early 17th Century and it was officially used in 1869 (according to Wikipedia), but Chinese’s pinyin was created in 1950s. So stop talking sth wrong and nonsense here! Vietnamese characters were created much earlier than Chinese’s pinyin, and they’re not one thing, no similar or any relationship here!
@@xqkaty I think you're missing his point. it's hardly nonsense. As with Korean and Japanese, and as I suspect you know, a very significant portion of the Vietnamese lexicon is Sino-Vietnamese. Pinyin and chữ quốc ngữ are each ways of representing syllables that have a character correspondence in the Roman alphabet, although there will also be a very high proportion of words in VN that don't have a Chinese character origin, just as with Korean and Japanese too.
As a Vietnamese I admit that Vietnamese have a better abilities to study Chinese not only we are in a same circle of cultural-HuaXia our languages also have multip same points such as two languages are tones language if Chinese have 4 tones in VNESE we have 6, that why we easy to catch the tone- the most difficult thing for a foreigner to learn Chinese. Beside of that cause of the familiar in our cultural-Huaxia we share many vocabularies, it sames like when a English speakers learning France.
exactly what I thought. I've met with so many mandarin learning vietnamese, and they all reached a good level in a very short time.
i studied chinese, german, french, and spanish and i think french was the hardest! haha german was easiest for me
@@kolibri7712 same, french is really so hard
Very impressive! It was difficult for me to keep up at all, but I appreciate how much work she put in to become fluent and that inspires me!
Excellent video, Thank you both for taking the time to do this :)
哇，真的厉害，最难得的是，她说话方式很优雅，不是一般口语好或者词汇多的外语学习者就能做到的。经过刻苦专业训练的果然不一般！
I know Vietnamese has Chinese loan words and used hanzi in the past.
Idk any other features of that language, but her Chinese is AMAZING!
16 years of intense Chinese. This reminds me of Dashan.
God's level of speaking Mandarin = make them sure you're a native speaker!
So insightful!
waoh！
she speaks mandarin very well, like someone from southern China.
Impressive
I like her determination and approach towards learning of a language. 我真觉得很惭愧。听她说的那么好，那么到底的中文，一点都听不出她是越南人。看来我要好好向她学习。
到底……“地道”
@@user-yj8qh9sy6n 谢谢帮忙纠正。每天都要努力学习。
Some people work harder and smarter than others they work harder
Wow native 100%
Some people are smarter than others some people work harder than others
200 words a day and remembering each well would be insanely difficult. I'm sure she had to continuously use it after the first encounter. How was that achieved? I've been using an app for a little over 1 month (fresh beginner) and covered about 1000 words and I sometimes don't retain some of them especially if I don't interact with them again for several days lol and tt.
It was same as mine situation even we learn different languages but memorize new words might be hard because have to use it in our daily if not would be disappeared in few days later well this Vietnamese lady college time is hard learn 4 days a week a day about 4 hours that was insane but she said the truth their didn't have Chinese languages environment thats why have to be force learn languages most of the time in college the way she study sure can achieve to natives level it might stressful time in order to improve your languages there's no shortcuts i hope my English can be fluent just like her Chinese languages someday
Many academic Vietnamese words are basically Chinese. It's like SAT words with latin roots
@@kelvinlai2169 I understand what you are saying. I think you are doing okay with learning. Keep going with it. I hope you reach your goal 😁
this is how school is in china. during lower school years, hw for chinese class (at least for me) was memorize new vocab words and poems and passages each night and you would get randomly called on to recite the next day. but this was easier as i already spoke chinese so the only thing i was memorizing was how to write.
@@justagirlontheinternet3781 ty for sharing a little bit of your learning experiences :)
I love those accents Chinese was very interesting and vietnamese is ok can you do zhang ziyi accents too Tommy click your biggest fan
Can I learn to speak Mandarin before learning the characters? I would prefer to be able to speak with my neighbors before start learning the characters. But I'm wondering if, me being able to speak in Mandarin would outweight the benefits of being able to speak, read, and write from the start since there're lots of different dialects spoken by the native Chinese speakers in my surrounding. Wouldn't it make my speech sounds super formal versus them speaking in their dialects, or will I be able to catch up to their dialects instantenously once I'm able to speak proper Mandarin?
厉害👍
I'm also studying Chinese at Hanoi university. But I've just finished my first year so my Chinese is not good. Actually I've just studied Chinese for about 9 months when I first came to Hanoi university.
fan lao shi, do you think her chinese is better than Chris?
她发音太好了吧🥹如果在南宁柳州我觉得口音会被带偏哈哈哈哈 南普柳普😂
Maybe the most important thing is that she's Vietnamese. Though Vietnamese and Chinese refer to different language families, the two languages have tremendous commonalities.
Cantonese and Vietnamese are similar in pronunciation and vocabulary. But Vietnamese cannot just learn Cantonese without significant effort and vice versa. They won’t sound native without significant effort I should say. So Linh has put in a lot of work to sound like this. It’s not just because she’s Vietnamese.
@@juyngkwogayo206 You're right. But I have never said that "JUST because she's Vietnamese".
I think the most important thing is that she was really hard-working. Because as Vietnamese, I am also studying Chinese at Hanoi University, I know that not many Vietnamese can speak Chinese like her
Certainly, more than 85% of Vietnamese are based on Chinese. That's why they pick up Manderin faster than other foreigners.🤓
@@ta0304 not 30 % almost 70 %
两个范老师在交流
他们说姓范的越南人大多数都是华人。。
@@lyhthegreat 首先，据维基百科，2019年越南华人只占全国人口的0.78%，普遍集中在越南南部而已（胡志明市附近）。其次，“范”是越南第四大姓，不存在“姓范的越南人大多数都是华人”这样没根据的说法。请知晓！
Still waiting for Julien Gaudfroy vid
Vietnamese is even closer to Chinese SE and Central E dialects,
and older, pre 1500 N national dialects. Thus, Vietnamese would
find Cantonese, Teochew, Hakka
Hokkien, etc. more similar than
phonetically simplified N/ Putonghua/Mandarin.
To all learners/ students of all Chinese dialects and all languages, Jia, you !!!
in pronunciation and tones
True, but it has the same base loan words as Putonghua. for example 聪明-chong ming in Vietnamese, or 浪费-lang phi , in Vietnamese, the list goes on and on. It is like Koreans and Japanese learning Chinese, about 2x learning speed of westerners.
hakkas are originally from the north
@@biglance The same N Natl.
base loan words, like all Chinese
dialects, had some that ended
in -k, -p, -t,, glottal stop and -m, before 1500s, before when other Asians
borrowed, and S and C Chinese keep. This is all 1 phenomena.
Question--- did other Asians AFTER 1500s borrow Chinese
base loan words, but used modern
S and E Chinese dialect pronunciations to maintain, for traditional
consistency, older
Chinese N Natl. pre 1500s
pronunciations ??
@@tymanung768 fascinating! i did not know about this....you sure do know your stuff, very impressed, thank you! peace from Macau.
@@lyhthegreat true, from Henan area, Ke Jia, i know some of them from my time in Fujian, very good people and interesting culture. peace from Macau.
I'm just here for the beef flavored tasty treats!
;)
我在自学中文， 不知道什么时候才可以达到她的水平，很羡慕，我也是越南人 🥹🥹
很难，我一个中国人没她说的好
你可以做到。
下定决心哥，慢慢来的。
... she is Vietnam born Chinese and most likely (99%) grew up in Chinese lingo-culture environment. Since this Fan Lao si has a tertiary edu (HU) +, all she has to do or (she did) major in (Mainland) mandarin to mastered the lauguage easily. And thus she has the ability and qualified to 'teach' mandarin SL to non-chinese.
(Most oversea born chinese in SEA are very likely brought up the chinese lingo-culture. But they are highly influenced by the pre-1949 lingo-culture/traditional Mandarin. Furthermore, prior to the convertion and introduction romanised Vietnamese by the french coloniser, Vietnam populace used exact traditional hanzi symbol and meaning (unlike those in Hong Kong) used in pre 1949 mainland China.
lol, she's 100% Vietnamese and is not Vietnam born Chinese. Besides, there are a lot of Asians born Chinese who don’t know Chinese and even feel it’s hard to learn Chinese. By your logic, 100% French can reach a perfect English without any effort and vice versa? And if they can do it, they don’t deserve it?
Plus, most of Hongkongers’ Mandarin Chinese are not good, especially their pronunciation, their accents etc., but Hongkongers’ mother tongue is Cantonese Chinese - which has 9 tones. Don't talk sth untruth here like you know other people and everything so well.
@@xqkaty yeah I agree. There's nothing easy like you don't need to make any effort or time but still can reach a high level (whatever the field is), even Chinese people, if they don't go to school to learn Chinese (their mother tongue) in a systematic way, can they still master in their mother tongue. SinAlbert CK WONG sounds like because he CAN’T do it himself, that's why he just wants to find a reason to make him believe that’s not his problem, but others’, and use it to deny other people. There're always that kind of negative people in this wolrd.
@@xqkatyprior to 1997, mandarin are not taught in HK. Public schools in HK teach the Cantonese dialect. I'm a chinese Malaysian. And in Malaysia (Singapore), most chinese attend Chinese medium schools where all subjects (except one compulsory lauguage: malay lauguage) are taught in mandarin, the traditional Chinese. Maybe you are born in HK and have attend Cantonese medium public school. In this manner, you can not claimed to be an expert this subject matter, either!!!!!!
Vietnamese share a lot of similar vocabulary and they are a tonal language as well.
By that logic, English speakers learning Romance languages have an advantage over Asian speakers, and still I've seen loads of Asian people learning Romance languages quite well, and not many English speakers achieving the same results. Is that still because their mother tongue and the language they learn have some similar? There're nothing easy that you can reach to a super high level without making any effort or time.
@@josem107 effort and natural talent is important as well, I do know Chinese people are able to pick Japanese and Korean quite easily because many of their words come from Chinese and Japanese still uses Chinese in their writing. Not to say they will always be better speaker of these language than an English speaker, they just be able to fast track on certain parts of the learning process.
太牛了
She was very good indeed. However, there were a few instances where you could hear that she was not native e.g. she said 挺严格 a native person would definitely say 挺严格的, particularly if they come from Beijing. Also, her choice of words sometimes did not sound fully native.
“下载” should be xià zài in the subtitles.
我们北方都是二声，台湾多是四声
@@senlin4473 不可能是二声，平时读是三声还差不多。这也不是台湾几声的问题，现代汉语词典和新华字典都是标四声的。
@@senlin4473 我不一样，我用第三声
@@lyhthegreat 我也是三声😂
对滴 高考要考这个
She sounds like Taiwanese Mandarin.
Some people just have a lot of time but they had money then they could just study all the time some people have to work like 8 hours a day
Like the video. Don't need cocktail guitar.
Not to take anything away from her impressive achievement but, speaking as a Vietnamese, it's easier for a Vietnamese to adapt their heritage language skills to Chinese than, say, a white American. Why? Vietnamese is a tonal language, first and foremost. And because Vietnam was a suzerainty--a vassal state--of China, we have Sino-Vietnamese roots in the language. So really educated people can recognize many Chinese logographs.
Not really, I've lots of White American friends and European friends who can reach a perfect Mandarin Chinese. It's not because they have the advantages of their mother tongue. Besides, one more information for you if you still don't know, most of Hongkongers (whose mother tongue is Cantonese Chinese - which has 9 TONES), can't speak Mandarin Chinese well, especially their pronunciation, their accents, etc., And a lot of Thai can't have a perfect Chinese accent because they have a strong mother tongue effect. So what you have said are not right in every fields and don't have enough scientific basis.
I'd say effort and ability to practice the language are still the key success to reach the high level.
Knowing how to speak Vietnamese can just help in the beginning. I'm still not a high level in my Chinese learning journey (HSK4).
But I can tell from my experience as a Vietnamese learning Chinese, it took me honestly 2 months to get all the tones and to be able to say them slightly more correct than in the beginning of my language learning. But I do admit, I could recognise instantly 3 tones when doing listening (to recognise the 4th tone, it really took 2 months lol, i didn't know when it's the 1st or the 4th tone).
Also in terms of pronunciation Chinese is not only about the tones, it has many specific sounds like qu, chu, zi, ü, shi, ju (randomly remembered) and as a Vietnamese you really need to practice them as we don't have these sounds in our mother tongue.
I've seen many Vietnamese having difficulties with pronunciation as well even though there are indeed many languages similarities btw CN and VNM.
A Chinese called Wilson Chan thrashed my grandmother secretly ha ha isn’t it funny
That’s crazy.. i rly couldn’t tell that she is not Chinese
Looking for a Chinese Language partner.
It's easier for Vietnamese to learn Mandarin than English speakers. They actually use more tones.
Well, by that logic, why a lot of Hongkongers’ Mandarin Chinese are not quite good, especially their pronunciation, their accents (Cantonese Chinese have 9 tones! And Chinese is Hongkongers’ mother tongue) ? And do 100% of French can reach a perfect English and vice versa in a easy way which they don’t need to make any effort or time? I don’t think there are easy ways to reach, especially to a high level, in every fields. No pain, no gain.
这是马嫂？
典型的台湾腔
这个普通话，一点口音都听不出来，好神奇。
This Rita apparently cannot keep up with Linh ......