Tony Stark and Steve Rodgers were charismatic powerhouses that carried movies with less than stellar casts, and had a dynamic that perfectly complemented each other. They've yet to be adequately replaced.
The writers are TRASH! I think at the dawn of the MCU (early 2000s) Fiege, his writers and actors had exclusive control over the creative direction of the films. No one was paying attention except us fans. Now, corporate suits are all over the process. Fiege can't wipe his butt without Disney's input. Iron Man 1 would have NEVER been made today!!
@@juniorjames7076 I think its even Kevin fiege as well. He needs a partner to support him. If they are going to do so much story they need help. Previously the scope was small. popularity was not this much. They would not attract that much criticism. They are still trying to keep their costs low by hiring cheap writers. Which simply cannot work anymore at this scale. But Kevin Fiege cannot understand that anymore.
To be honest, it was the Russo brothers who gave Steve Rodgers his edge. His first movie was decent, but it was Winter Solider which gave him the superstar status. Then of course the rest is history with Civil War and Infinity War. Iron Man was great in his first movie, but after the 2nd and 3rd, he lost it. Again, the Russo brothers did an amazing job bringing back the magic of the Avengers after Joss's disappointing Avengers 2.
@@2596mr i think the best idea is Feige continues to control the films and a new producer handles the shows, and they talk to make sure the plot stays focused. I actually really liked Phase 4 but I think Feige is stretched too thin.
I do like this lineup, but I do think Dr Strange NEEDS to be in this lineup. He was never in the other lineup and it'd be super weird if he was kinda just floating around.
Have Dr. Strange show up with Ghost Rider, Punisher and Blade, at a critical moment to help save the day. Then make a joke about him forming his own team and asking if Daredevil wants to join, to fit with the theme.
The key difference is the writers who wrote Peter in his latest movie researched the character and actually liked the character. The same really can’t be said for Wanda. She’s in need of a writers redemption more than a character redemption.
This lineup also has variety of mentalities and perspectives. You've got soldiers, scientists, royalty, common folk, lawyer, martial arts expert, hitman, history buff and a tag along Egiptian God just to be sure.
Just rewatched Captain America: Civil War again and really started missing Markus & McFeely’s writing. What an incredible screenplay writing. Feige, bring them back!
OMG. What is MCU without Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame? It’s not even worth discussing. The original Iron Man - Black Panther, and some above average stuff including Guardians. Rick and Morty writers have in contrast destroyed Wanda, Strange, She Hulk, Janet Van Dyne, Mordo, Wong, the Illuminati, and now Kang.
@@emptyblank099a Hulk and she hulk know wong , so he can bring in shang chi and the rings if they are sending signal to the multiverse and kang. Hulk even said welcome to the circus to Shang chi. She hulk knows daredevil. If you involve wong, you gotta involve Strange and America Chavez. America makes more sense cause she can travel the multiverse to various kangs.
The only reason I believe that Captain marvel made over a billion isn’t because the skrulls, it’s because it came out right before endgame and there was insane hype and the movie made it seem like she would play a huge roll in endgame and we had to watch her movie
I didn't Captain marvel made a billion dollars because of the first female lead of the new era and females have always been one of the least popular statistics that went out to the movies so I think it was the extra boost from all the women going to see it that actually pushed it over
Grace’s vendetta against the Rick and Morty writers is hilarious. I agree, they gotta go! 🤣 I actually like this lineup. It’s fresh and has the chance of being really fun. I would just add Yelena to the team. Florence Pugh (pew pew) makes everything better :)
Seeing as the Wasp is a revered member in the comics, and was one of the early leaders of the team, not an official leader, but she was definitely one of the alpha personalities of the squad. Especially in avengers Earth’s mightiest heroes. So I hope Wasp makes the team and gets a significant role in the field.
Completely agree! She has been completely wasted in the MCU and its bad that she's been pigeon holed into the Antman "comedy" corner. After Endgame, she and Antman shouldve taken over as leaders of the Avengers and phase 4 should have been estbalishing a new team against the Skrulls. Instead we have a directionless mess
Wasp was never an Alpha on Earths Mightiest heroes she was just a loud mouth. Also the actress playing her in the movies has problematic public opinions that will limit her to only being in Ant Man movies
12:10 More importantly, Marvel was falsely hyping Captain Marvel as a major character in Endgame, while completely hiding that Ant-Man's Pym tech and Quantum realm were central to Endgame's plot and Scott himself a key player.
I mean given her history with Kang, I think Michelle Pfeiffer's Janet Van Dyne should be in the Movie. She doesn't have to be the member (though I want her to), she needs to be in it to settle the unfinished business with Kang.
I think it would be cool if Janet and Loki filled a similar kind of role the Guardians filled in infinity war. Not on the avengers team but characters picked up along the way who are also fighting the big bad, and have a big role/ideas in trying to bring Kang down.
@@noredoosno2929 It's because of the bad script and audience had a largely positive response to her interactions with Kang despite bad reviews on the movie as a whole. If expertly written, she can very much hold her own and assist avengers to fight against the multitude of Kangs.
Grace, How would you feel about multiple teams in the movie, in the same way that Infinity War was divided up. It would make sense to me that you have a core team at the beginning in the wake of New World Order (Cap, Carol, She-Hulk, Hulk and Shang-Chi?) and then you have heroes like Doctor Strange, Daredevil and Moon Knight popping up throughout. The rumour of Spider-Man being the "lead" could make sense with this as well, as he wouldn't lead the Avengers, but could be the focal character and audience surrogate for witnessing The Kang Dynasty itself.
This is a very plausible line-up. It is criminal that Ant-Man and The Wasp don’t make the cut though. They are both OG comic Avengers that could use some spotlight (especially The Wasp) and their powers are so visually appealing to me. I also assume they’d be involved given their direct connection to a Kang variant. I personally struggled to come up with a team because I just love so much of them hahaha.
Is it possible that Daredevils heightened senses might be able to detect some Skrulls... for example, if Daredevil had met a hero before and then met a Skrull version, would he be able to detect that they smell different?
Daredevil is superhuman,so he does have powers and more then you think. Here are some. Superhuman Touch,Superhuman Reflexes,Superhuman Agility,Illusion Awareness,Superhuman Smell,Superhuman Hearing,Superhuman Taste,Superhuman Balance,Telepathy,Telepathic Immunity,Sonar Sense,Proximity Sense
@NATsoHIGH ! fair enough. But apparently in the comics pre secret invasion storyline, Skrulls could be detected by anyone with a very keen sense of smell. It's just that the MCU hasn't established all the ways a Skrull might be detectable to our heroes. For example would Spiderman's spider senses or "Peter tingle" (rip Aunt may) be able to detect something off about a person who is actually a Skrull. Could Dr strange or Wong cast a spell that reveals all Skrulls etc.
Bless you Grace Your positivity and enthusiasm is commendable. However, I can’t help but think of the musicians playing on the Titanic whilst it sinks😂
did grace forget about Thor 😂😭 . Captain America (Leader) . Thor (need some og blood in there still) . Captain Marvel . Black Panther . Spiderman (he was knighted by Tony I don’t see how you don’t inlcude him here . She-Hulk (given they seem to be doing nothing with the hulk) . Shang-Chi (he had the most well received solo film since the infinity saga only issue there is idk if they would show the film in china given the actor) . The Wasp (if by any chance they don’t pick shang chi I mean she was the founding member of the avengers in the comics but the mcu hasn’t used her to her full potential) . Ant Man (he is the only avenger so far to have faced kang 10 seems like a lot of characters 😂
Absolutely agree about Spider-Man not being the leader. I love MCU Spider-Man but he’s not a leader. He’s never been really in the comics either - even in spider verse crossover events. Captain America should be the leader. I thought that was the point of his speech at the end of Falcon and Winter Soldier. It established him as someone that others could look up to. So happy to see one of these videos early in the day. Thanks Grace!
as a wanda stan, i definitely want her to be on both avenger’s upcoming movies but not on the team. she has a lot going on by herself, hopefully her solo will explore more personal stuff
Grace, if Wasp doesn't make the team, it would be extremely disappointing. They need to further expand the character and broaden it to the wider MCU with different characters! Not just only with Ant Man! I was excited to see her finally interact with someone different! They already did such great work in Quantumania fixing her character, and it would be a shame to have the Founding Member of the Avengers not given the spotlight that they deserve and not featured in the next Avengers Movies.
I think that’s almost a definite at this point. Phase 4 felt over and done with before it really got started in my opinion. Hopefully the extra few years will be a benefit
While I'm not exactly thrilled with every aspect of this potential lineup, I am open to having them change my mind. My true concern is with the screenwriter. Any major chance of this movie flopping will be due to poor writing, and right now it's looking like that may be a real possibility. I hope Feige listens to what people are saying and course corrects before it's too late.
I feel like they need a Thor/Dr Strange/Ant Man in there. Preferably Thor. There should be the sense that the OG Avengers are handing positions over. If it was just this lineup it'd feel a lot more like a bunch of people who've decided to call themselves the Avengers. Sure Hulk's there, but I don't know if that's enough.
I agree. Especially on Thor. I think they will want as many OG Avengers or experienced Avengers as they can. Otherwise they risk casuals dismissing it as not a real Avengers movie.
Thank u for the amazing content. Just wanted to ask if this was something I just didn't get or if got it right. Don't u only mention 8 spots instead of 9 of the 10. If yes what is your pick for the ninth spoth
Not really a fan of this line-up, but I'm sure when they are interacting it will make all the difference. Kinda surprised Hulk and Thor are not on this list since they are still around somewhere. Thor is an OG Avenger.
I like the lineup but I definetily think it needs some magic users. Also maybe there will be more avengers this time if we're going with Ant mans post credit scene root. I also wonder if Wasp and Photon will be avengers. They are both important members in the comics and leaders of the team.
I think that just means he will be really central to the plot but not on the team, idk why but he hasn’t been rumored from beginning to now, I’m betting Benedict doesn’t wanna be in the franchise much longer.
I would actually divide the movie into two groups, so that characters that were barely mentioned could get the screentime, like Thor, Dr Strange (idk how i feel about two Hulks on the same team, so I would bring Banner here as well). All I know is that Infinty War did multiple groups perfectly, so it can be done!
Hell, why not make it into three groups, Cosmic/Mystic/Earth and each team will face a variant Kang. And like on Infinity War with Thanos, make the Kangs the central part or the pseudo protagonist of the story so they're the connective tissue for all the teams. I'm pretty sure they could do it again with the same blue print.
Isn't the Fantastic Four supposed to be introduced before Kang Dynasty? Have to factor those in as well. Perhaps they'll function in a similar manner that the Guardians did in Infinity War?? It'll be cool to finally see characters who have only been on D+ so far, at a cinematic level where they should have the budget to make each one look their best and see them do more with their powers than they did in their own shows.
Also wonder if we'll see Winter Soldier or Yelena Belova appear - or some dream casting of a heavily bleeped Deadpool & Wolverine as part of the team . . . and I think the nature of Kang's multiverse opens the door to other Multiverse of Madness-type, alt superhero appearances - with hopefully, more productive results (sorry Reed) - Cheers
Loki on the avengers is a complete misunderstanding of the character's motivation. He would never join the Avengers. Of course this is coming from people who aren't really fans of the comics
@@wvang0013 Just because he's connected doesn't mean he has to be in the Avengers. I'm assuming you have watched Avengers movies right? Everyone in the movie isn't on the Avengers lmfao!
@@freeffree4133 Loki is one of the most popular characters in the MCU and his entire story in the sequel is fighting to protect their timeline against Kang. Having him join up with the team for the greater good isn't farfetched to begin with.
I think in Captain Marvel 2 we'll get a better understanding and appreciation for Carol/Brie......I am STOKED to see Monica Rambeau back on the big screen and how they'll handle Kamala/Carol switching places
10 avengers is far too small of a group. I think it now makes more sense to think in "groups" or "teams" rather than individuals at this point. You can have the street level team (spider-man, etc), cosmic team (captain marvel, etc), magic/supernatural team (Doctor Strange, Moon Knight, etc), Thunderbolts, etc. I think the movie could support 3-5 team stories simultaneously. Secret Wars can then dive into the different universes and expand from there.. with the final battleworld finale that brings everyone together.
Imagine watching - Spidey, MK and Shang-Chi fighting together against Kang!!! They should set this up like Infinity War - via - having a couple different teams. Loki, Ant-Man, Wasp should be part of it. MK will be fun to watch the banter with his split personalities. Dr. Strange/Wong will definitely be in it. Have hard time Wanda not helping out as part of her redemption. Lastly, I could see (and LOVE) Deadpool and Wolvie being in it.
I think this is a great line up and makes the most sense. I, however, think that Wasp and War Machine deserve to be in this line up as well. Doctor Strange too since he and Clea will literally be fighting against an incursion. I guess my question is will it only be 8-10 because other variants will be involved??
I think Grace is focusing too much on how powerful various characters are. Half of the original Avengers were fairly low on the power scale. Clint and Natasha just have good training. Steve is super human, but just barely. Popularity seems to be more based on how relatable a hero is.
I quite like this lineup but Loki definitely should definitely be a part of it. Im also not sure about having two hulks, just She-Hulk will be fine imo. I think the success and likability of this team will depend on the writing; a healthy balance between comedy, action & drama is vital
It just doesn't make any sense not to have Doctor Strange or Ant-man and the Wasp in here. Strange, Carol and Sam should be the new trinity. Period. Sam and Carol being co-captains is such an amazing idea btw. But I couldn't care less about the Hulks and Moon Knight works better with a different team idk.
I like this team. But did I miss who is #9? 1. Captain America 2. Captain Marvel 3. Hulk 4. She Hulk 5. Spider-Man 6. Shang-Chi 7. Black Panther 8. Moon Knight 9.? 10? I think they need a Magic wielder, so Loki or Dr. Strange
I feel like you gotta have Dr Strange in an Avengers film. War Machine could also be involved and I guess we’ll prob get Antman and Wasp. Maybe Thor as well?
Marvel just needs to bring back the Russo Brothers. They were such a good match for the MCU. Having 2 people handle movies of this massive size and scale works best.
@@Dr.LongMonkey not due to the character, he has so much Potential to be greater than any of the other marvel leaders so far. It’s the writers who have held the character back
With the movie and limited scenes of Captain Marvel we have gotten so far, I actually really enjoy her character and am excited to see more of her. She isn't my favorite character or anything but I'm excited for Captain Marvel 2 and look forward to seeing her in the avengers movies
captian amarica, captain marvel, shang chi, shuri, she hulk, spiderman, antman, loki, moonnight, & dr.strange. i dont know how dr.srange would fit into the dynamic but it would be wild to me for then to not include him, also clint would fit well as the resident ex avenger, modern thor I count as more of an honorary guardian than an avenger at this point. The whole team though, no matter how interesting, feels like hanging out with friends of friends without the connective shared friend in the mix.
Loki? An Avenger? That would be quite a twist but I think he could just be an associate without being part of the team. Depending on what his story is in the second season, he could still have sort of villainous role while at the same time, fighting Kang.
Captain Marvel in the Midnight Suns video game is so cool and relatable. Unfortunately that characterization is not in the MCU. There is still time to save that character but the writers have a lot of work to do.
@@Blodhelm That's good to know as I'm not familiar with her in the comics. Just with what the MCU has given us. The creators of the game must know all these character well because in the game they are all fantastic.
I think Captain Marvel in the comics is actually a really well developed character. She has a ton of history and interesting stories that often get overlooked, more recently because of the Civil War 2 storyline in the comics that turned a lot of ppl against her. She currently has one of the longest ongoing solo series at Marvel right now and I think that’s a testament to her having found a fanbase. As far as how she hasn’t connected with more die hard fans, we have to remember she’s only been in one MCU movie from beginning to end, the other times she’s shown up only to assist quickly. She has only been played a major role in her own movie. We still haven’t spent that much time with her compared to other characters nor gotten a good understanding of her dynamic as part of a team, which the marvels will show us.
So far, 4 Avengers have had a DIRECT connection with the multiverse - Dr. Strange, Spider-man, Ant-man, and Scarlet Witch. If all of them are not included in a multiverse Avengers story, then what was a point of their multiverse movies. Same logic with Loki.
Doctor Strange should be on that team. He's the strongest (when they don't purposely make him weak) and convenient for the writers' plot. He's the teleport guy, he's smart and has plans, and he has knowledge of the multiverse. BUT I understand.. because of all that he's the type of character that can't be together with the team all the time... otherwise the problems would be solved easily
Grace, I'd love to see you do a video about the state of the MCU, like declining box, office etc. I get that it's a part of Movie Math. But making a whole video would be great.
if the leaks i have read about kang dynasty is true, she will surely play a big role protecting kamala if kang is really after her bangles and the ten rings
This movie is a disaster in the making... nothing about Kang Dynasty is that interesting and this line up is pretty lame and the writing on ant man was pathetic so I'm over it.
Without Ant Man and Wasp along with Pym Tech the Avengrs would be DOA against Kang. And where is Benedict at? How can you face a Multiversal Time Traveling Warlord without Dr. Strange? Lineup should be Strange, Shuri, Ant Man and Spider Man as the core 4.
A bunch of strange omissions like doctor strange, wong, the Marvels, Thor, hulk, iron heart, Loki, the wasp, Nakia and many others that will definitely be in the hero role for kang dynasty also I really hope this film gets delayed so we can have more projects developing the characters
Grace is completely coping here if she think this is a good lineup. First off the fans HATE Captain Marvel. They HATE She-Hulk. And They HATE Falcon as Captain America. Falcon is a good supporting Avenger but definitely doesn’t have the charisma and like ability to lead the Avengers. Nobody says their favorite Avenger is Falcon.
no one hate falcon as cap , and captain marvel , maybe but she hulk , it's more on the writing , but the character itself , people like her because tasiana maslany is so likeable
If Kang Dynasty operates like IW… then we can have everyone cause they would be broken in the multiverse teams before coming back together in Secret Wars
Spider-man had everyone forget who he was. If anything he’d be someone just there to help like Doctor Strange but not an official Avenger. But IMO…. Captain America(Falcon) Captain Marvel Hulk She-Hulk Black Panther Moon Knight Shang Chi Kate Bishop War Machine Is a solid lineup. But I’m hoping we get Sentry, Blue Marvel or Wonder Man as a last minute addition. I can imagine Kang creating Wonder Man and using him as a weapon.
I have a theory that we might get a midnight sons project. And that will be its own little team in the movie. Consisting of Moon, Knight, werewolf by night, man, thing, Elsa, bloodstone, blade, ect
A Midnight Suns is more than a theory... it's being kicked around as Film or Or Series....but they definitely have a Project in the works ... the question is when not if....
I actually think Captain Marvel benefited from Wonder Woman as well … she was to be the Marvel answer to Gal and so many expected it to be better so gave it a chance
Absolutely not. Please stop this old argument / she benefited bla bla. She’s her own hero. WW isn’t the only female character around. By far there are many. Not every woman or men relate to Diana. That being said, They are very different and Carol has her own merits, and fans.
@@RafaRodrigues Do you really think Captain Marvel got billion because of her popularity? Even Thor didn't got 1 billion. Or wonder woman. And women women is by far most popular female character. So Captain Marvel was a success because of infinity war hype
Doctor Strange not making the line up would be criminal
Yeah there must be a mystical aspect now I'd say.
Especially when he's a big player on multiple versions of the Avengers across comics history
I don't think he's ever been an Avenger. He's been a Defender.
@@RoboRope hes been an avenger but hes usually more of a lone wolf. Sort of like Spider-man
Yeah there is no way he isn't a second leading character
Tony Stark and Steve Rodgers were charismatic powerhouses that carried movies with less than stellar casts, and had a dynamic that perfectly complemented each other. They've yet to be adequately replaced.
The writers are TRASH! I think at the dawn of the MCU (early 2000s) Fiege, his writers and actors had exclusive control over the creative direction of the films. No one was paying attention except us fans. Now, corporate suits are all over the process. Fiege can't wipe his butt without Disney's input. Iron Man 1 would have NEVER been made today!!
@@juniorjames7076 I think its even Kevin fiege as well. He needs a partner to support him. If they are going to do so much story they need help. Previously the scope was small. popularity was not this much. They would not attract that much criticism. They are still trying to keep their costs low by hiring cheap writers. Which simply cannot work anymore at this scale. But Kevin Fiege cannot understand that anymore.
To be honest, it was the Russo brothers who gave Steve Rodgers his edge. His first movie was decent, but it was Winter Solider which gave him the superstar status. Then of course the rest is history with Civil War and Infinity War. Iron Man was great in his first movie, but after the 2nd and 3rd, he lost it. Again, the Russo brothers did an amazing job bringing back the magic of the Avengers after Joss's disappointing Avengers 2.
Less than stellar cast????
@@2596mr i think the best idea is Feige continues to control the films and a new producer handles the shows, and they talk to make sure the plot stays focused. I actually really liked Phase 4 but I think Feige is stretched too thin.
I do like this lineup, but I do think Dr Strange NEEDS to be in this lineup. He was never in the other lineup and it'd be super weird if he was kinda just floating around.
He doesn’t really seem like a team player to me
Nah
An Avenger needs to help when they're told.
He has other duties. So he'll help when he can.
I don’t think he’s too concerned about being an Avenger because he knows there’s so many other things out there to be worried about lol
Have Dr. Strange show up with Ghost Rider, Punisher and Blade, at a critical moment to help save the day. Then make a joke about him forming his own team and asking if Daredevil wants to join, to fit with the theme.
I love how Grace will trash Peter's decision making but Wanda was just having a bad day lol
The key difference is the writers who wrote Peter in his latest movie researched the character and actually liked the character. The same really can’t be said for Wanda. She’s in need of a writers redemption more than a character redemption.
That’s because wanda isn’t supposed to be a hero. She’s written as a villian, an antihero at best while spiderman is a 100% hero.
No one is talking about Wanda leading the Avengers, that's the difference.
How did this comparison made enough sense in your head to make you want to write it down on the internet lmaoooo
Uh, yeah, when exactly does she say that? Time stamp? (crickets…)
This lineup also has variety of mentalities and perspectives. You've got soldiers, scientists, royalty, common folk, lawyer, martial arts expert, hitman, history buff and a tag along Egiptian God just to be sure.
she hulk will do it now
Just rewatched Captain America: Civil War again and really started missing Markus & McFeely’s writing. What an incredible screenplay writing. Feige, bring them back!
OMG. What is MCU without Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame?
It’s not even worth discussing. The original Iron Man - Black Panther, and some above average stuff including Guardians.
Rick and Morty writers have in contrast destroyed Wanda, Strange, She Hulk, Janet Van Dyne, Mordo, Wong, the Illuminati, and now Kang.
@@zenla1033 I'm out of the loop, but you're telling me cartoon writers are now writing Marvel shows/movies? What the hell 🤦🏾♂️
Don't forget Wong ....He will definitely be involved in some way as he has history with every character except Moon Knight
Wong makes more sense than shang chi to honest.
@@emptyblank099a as the asian person of the team???? ☠️😭 They dont even have the same powers
@@emptyblank099a Hulk and she hulk know wong , so he can bring in shang chi and the rings if they are sending signal to the multiverse and kang. Hulk even said welcome to the circus to Shang chi. She hulk knows daredevil. If you involve wong, you gotta involve Strange and America Chavez. America makes more sense cause she can travel the multiverse to various kangs.
Wanda should have killed Wong
I would prefer Aquafina over Shang-Chi, so we better see both of them. Shang is boring without her, for real!
The only reason I believe that Captain marvel made over a billion isn’t because the skrulls, it’s because it came out right before endgame and there was insane hype and the movie made it seem like she would play a huge roll in endgame and we had to watch her movie
Croatian Marvel? :P
@@Janteslov oh captain sorry
I didn't Captain marvel made a billion dollars because of the first female lead of the new era and females have always been one of the least popular statistics that went out to the movies so I think it was the extra boost from all the women going to see it that actually pushed it over
Grace’s vendetta against the Rick and Morty writers is hilarious. I agree, they gotta go! 🤣 I actually like this lineup. It’s fresh and has the chance of being really fun. I would just add Yelena to the team. Florence Pugh (pew pew) makes everything better :)
I was watching the new Antman and I called out from which episode of Rick and Morty they copy-pasted a scene, so I agree with Grace.
i love yelena but she is already getting a team up movie so i think that this will do
Yup the R&M style was way to prevalent in this movie.
@@AmitRafael which episode if u don’t mind me asking?
@@noredoosno2929 A Rickle in Time.
Seeing as the Wasp is a revered member in the comics, and was one of the early leaders of the team, not an official leader, but she was definitely one of the alpha personalities of the squad. Especially in avengers Earth’s mightiest heroes. So I hope Wasp makes the team and gets a significant role in the field.
Completely agree! She has been completely wasted in the MCU and its bad that she's been pigeon holed into the Antman "comedy" corner. After Endgame, she and Antman shouldve taken over as leaders of the Avengers and phase 4 should have been estbalishing a new team against the Skrulls. Instead we have a directionless mess
Wasp was never an Alpha on Earths Mightiest heroes she was just a loud mouth. Also the actress playing her in the movies has problematic public opinions that will limit her to only being in Ant Man movies
@@twelve11literally no one is asking for Wasp and Ant Man to lead the Avengers lol!
@@freeffree4133 problematic public opinions? What has she said? (genuinely curious)
@@leenpels7646 she's a covid conspiracy theorist
If Loki is in this, I need Thor to be in it too. Where's Thor??
How did she not even mention Thor lol that’s how u know she hates love and thunder
@@marc4282 I hate Thor Love and Thunder too, but I still want Thor the character. He deserves another chance.
Taking care of his daughter.
@@abbeyBominable123 Exactly. BRINGGG MEE THORRRRR !!!!
@@abbeyBominable123 They obliterated that character.
12:10 More importantly, Marvel was falsely hyping Captain Marvel as a major character in Endgame, while completely hiding that Ant-Man's Pym tech and Quantum realm were central to Endgame's plot and Scott himself a key player.
I mean given her history with Kang, I think Michelle Pfeiffer's Janet Van Dyne should be in the Movie. She doesn't have to be the member (though I want her to), she needs to be in it to settle the unfinished business with Kang.
That’s if the Kang she specifically was with didn’t actually die. If he did, the other ones prolly don’t really know about her
The Thing is audience doesn’t care that can be resolved in another Disney + show.
I think it would be cool if Janet and Loki filled a similar kind of role the Guardians filled in infinity war. Not on the avengers team but characters picked up along the way who are also fighting the big bad, and have a big role/ideas in trying to bring Kang down.
@@noredoosno2929 It's because of the bad script and audience had a largely positive response to her interactions with Kang despite bad reviews on the movie as a whole. If expertly written, she can very much hold her own and assist avengers to fight against the multitude of Kangs.
And Thor as confirmed in Thor love and thunder he will return
Grace, How would you feel about multiple teams in the movie, in the same way that Infinity War was divided up. It would make sense to me that you have a core team at the beginning in the wake of New World Order (Cap, Carol, She-Hulk, Hulk and Shang-Chi?) and then you have heroes like Doctor Strange, Daredevil and Moon Knight popping up throughout. The rumour of Spider-Man being the "lead" could make sense with this as well, as he wouldn't lead the Avengers, but could be the focal character and audience surrogate for witnessing The Kang Dynasty itself.
That is what is going to happen in secret war. I think kang dynasty should be more simplier and linear.
Agree. O Also think that spiderman, won't be the leader, but could totally be the "main character"
Rumors is Spiderman gets his black suit in Secret Wars like he did in the comics.
Tom could lead the young avengers.
If we get lucky, they might come across Toby and Andrew
I would LOVE to see Moon Knight interact with the other potential Avengers.
Peter and Shuri actually interacting for the first time would be so fun since they’re very similar
This is a very plausible line-up. It is criminal that Ant-Man and The Wasp don’t make the cut though. They are both OG comic Avengers that could use some spotlight (especially The Wasp) and their powers are so visually appealing to me. I also assume they’d be involved given their direct connection to a Kang variant. I personally struggled to come up with a team because I just love so much of them hahaha.
I would actually love to see Wasp brought in without Ant-Man.
@@phoenixforce6595 Yes! I totally agree, give her the respect she deserves
If feel like we should riot if they have She Hulk over Hope that's just insane.
@@phoenixforce6595 honestly yeah. I kinda wish antman got trapped in the Quantum Realm so Wasp could get more screen time later 🤣🤣
Gotta be delusional to think that both of them won't be in Kang Dynasty...
This line up is astonishingly underwhelming. Grace, your unchecked optimism is bordering on the delusional.
Is it possible that Daredevils heightened senses might be able to detect some Skrulls... for example, if Daredevil had met a hero before and then met a Skrull version, would he be able to detect that they smell different?
Daredevil is superhuman,so he does have powers and more then you think. Here are some.
Superhuman Touch,Superhuman Reflexes,Superhuman Agility,Illusion Awareness,Superhuman Smell,Superhuman Hearing,Superhuman Taste,Superhuman Balance,Telepathy,Telepathic Immunity,Sonar Sense,Proximity Sense
They change on a molecular level. I highly doubt there's any sort of scent.
Echo can tell who the Skrulls are.
@NATsoHIGH ! fair enough. But apparently in the comics pre secret invasion storyline, Skrulls could be detected by anyone with a very keen sense of smell. It's just that the MCU hasn't established all the ways a Skrull might be detectable to our heroes. For example would Spiderman's spider senses or "Peter tingle" (rip Aunt may) be able to detect something off about a person who is actually a Skrull.
Could Dr strange or Wong cast a spell that reveals all Skrulls etc.
@@jmjackson2041 how?
Steven in the field: WHO THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE!?
Bless you Grace
Your positivity and enthusiasm is commendable. However, I can’t help but think of the musicians playing on the Titanic whilst it sinks😂
did grace forget about Thor 😂😭
. Captain America (Leader)
. Thor (need some og blood in there still)
. Captain Marvel
. Black Panther
. Spiderman (he was knighted by Tony I don’t see how you don’t inlcude him here
. She-Hulk (given they seem to be doing nothing with the hulk)
. Shang-Chi (he had the most well received solo film since the infinity saga only issue there is idk if they would show the film in china given the actor)
. The Wasp (if by any chance they don’t pick shang chi I mean she was the founding member of the avengers in the comics but the mcu hasn’t used her to her full potential)
. Ant Man (he is the only avenger so far to have faced kang
10 seems like a lot of characters 😂
That's what I'm saying. Thor needs to be on the team. He's still a powerhouse
Loki and Strange have to be here as well they’re ‘Time Lords’ so they just *HAVE* to be involved!
@@ZyliceLiddell same they should be major players just not part of the new avengers roster
The Internet : This line up is so dumb.
Grace : It’s so dumb It's brilliant.
The Internet : Nooo, it’s just DUMB.
Absolutely agree about Spider-Man not being the leader. I love MCU Spider-Man but he’s not a leader. He’s never been really in the comics either - even in spider verse crossover events.
Captain America should be the leader. I thought that was the point of his speech at the end of Falcon and Winter Soldier. It established him as someone that others could look up to.
So happy to see one of these videos early in the day.
Thanks Grace!
Instead of doubling down on Hulks, I would simply keep Ant-Man and the Wasp in the team. They are crucial and have experience dealing with Kang.
as a wanda stan, i definitely want her to be on both avenger’s upcoming movies but not on the team. she has a lot going on by herself, hopefully her solo will explore more personal stuff
I think we'll see her with Young Avengers, and then eventually more after the X-Men are introduced.
Grace, if Wasp doesn't make the team, it would be extremely disappointing. They need to further expand the character and broaden it to the wider MCU with different characters! Not just only with Ant Man! I was excited to see her finally interact with someone different! They already did such great work in Quantumania fixing her character, and it would be a shame to have the Founding Member of the Avengers not given the spotlight that they deserve and not featured in the next Avengers Movies.
I agree, you don't get Ant-Man without the Wasp. She has led the team as often as Captain America.
@@jayreed9370 she hulk will do it now
Just have a feeling that Kang Dynasty gets pushed back a year to May 2026 which I think is a good thing!
Definitely so we’re already seeing movies pushed back
This is a good thing tho dont rush it
I think that’s almost a definite at this point. Phase 4 felt over and done with before it really got started in my opinion. Hopefully the extra few years will be a benefit
Secret Wars releases then
@@thefanboy2008 It will logically get pushed back too!
While I'm not exactly thrilled with every aspect of this potential lineup, I am open to having them change my mind. My true concern is with the screenwriter. Any major chance of this movie flopping will be due to poor writing, and right now it's looking like that may be a real possibility. I hope Feige listens to what people are saying and course corrects before it's too late.
I am OVER Marvel. Can't watch it now without thinking this is only for money, not for a story that needs to be told.
@@Strangerz64 that's REALLY surprised me too
I feel like they need a Thor/Dr Strange/Ant Man in there. Preferably Thor. There should be the sense that the OG Avengers are handing positions over. If it was just this lineup it'd feel a lot more like a bunch of people who've decided to call themselves the Avengers. Sure Hulk's there, but I don't know if that's enough.
I agree. Especially on Thor. I think they will want as many OG Avengers or experienced Avengers as they can. Otherwise they risk casuals dismissing it as not a real Avengers movie.
Agreed. Not having any OG Avengers just makes it feel so watered down.
dude its you!
@Novum
It's not enough. Actually it's completely underwhelming...Moon Knight and She Hulk? 🤣 Shuri? Lmfao!
Thank u for the amazing content. Just wanted to ask if this was something I just didn't get or if got it right. Don't u only mention 8 spots instead of 9 of the 10. If yes what is your pick for the ninth spoth
Not really a fan of this line-up, but I'm sure when they are interacting it will make all the difference. Kinda surprised Hulk and Thor are not on this list since they are still around somewhere. Thor is an OG Avenger.
Hulk is on the list
@@Baalek1 Oh dang I meant to write Dr Strange 😂
Yeah, Dr. Strange should definitely be in it
The WASP needs to be the leader in one of this Avenger movies. Marvel needs to give her more to do, it’s ridiculous!
Audiences don’t care about the character. No one cares about the comics they should just kill her off
100% agree
I like the lineup but I definetily think it needs some magic users. Also maybe there will be more avengers this time if we're going with Ant mans post credit scene root. I also wonder if Wasp and Photon will be avengers. They are both important members in the comics and leaders of the team.
Kevin Feige clearly said that Doctor Strange will be the “anchor” of MCU going forward. Hence he would definitely be on the team.
I think that just means he will be really central to the plot but not on the team, idk why but he hasn’t been rumored from beginning to now, I’m betting Benedict doesn’t wanna be in the franchise much longer.
I would actually divide the movie into two groups, so that characters that were barely mentioned could get the screentime, like Thor, Dr Strange (idk how i feel about two Hulks on the same team, so I would bring Banner here as well). All I know is that Infinty War did multiple groups perfectly, so it can be done!
Hell, why not make it into three groups, Cosmic/Mystic/Earth and each team will face a variant Kang. And like on Infinity War with Thanos, make the Kangs the central part or the pseudo protagonist of the story so they're the connective tissue for all the teams. I'm pretty sure they could do it again with the same blue print.
@@TheJackedOLantern gotta say...each group facing a Kang variant sounds awesome! Would love to see that!
Isn't the Fantastic Four supposed to be introduced before Kang Dynasty? Have to factor those in as well. Perhaps they'll function in a similar manner that the Guardians did in Infinity War?? It'll be cool to finally see characters who have only been on D+ so far, at a cinematic level where they should have the budget to make each one look their best and see them do more with their powers than they did in their own shows.
Isn't Kang a FF villain in the comics?
i think f4 are going to be involved in secret wars, not kang dynasty
@@xanderdumas1682I thought X-Men were for secret wars?
Is there any word about the plans for the new Hawkeye? I know the new black widow (forgot the actual name) will be in the thunderbolts movie.
Also wonder if we'll see Winter Soldier or Yelena Belova appear - or some dream casting of a heavily bleeped Deadpool & Wolverine as part of the team . . . and I think the nature of Kang's multiverse opens the door to other Multiverse of Madness-type, alt superhero appearances - with hopefully, more productive results (sorry Reed) - Cheers
I am most excited about seeing more Shuri, Spiderman, and Shang Chi on the team. Loki would be a great addition.
Loki on the avengers is a complete misunderstanding of the character's motivation. He would never join the Avengers. Of course this is coming from people who aren't really fans of the comics
@@freeffree4133 well this is not the comics and Loki has a major connection to Kang.
@@wvang0013 Just because he's connected doesn't mean he has to be in the Avengers. I'm assuming you have watched Avengers movies right? Everyone in the movie isn't on the Avengers lmfao!
@@freeffree4133 Loki is one of the most popular characters in the MCU and his entire story in the sequel is fighting to protect their timeline against Kang. Having him join up with the team for the greater good isn't farfetched to begin with.
@@wvang0013 Loki doesn't have to join the avengers to be in the movie though. Loki is not a team player!
The fight scenes in Shang Chi were beautiful. I hope they continue with that.
I think in Captain Marvel 2 we'll get a better understanding and appreciation for Carol/Brie......I am STOKED to see Monica Rambeau back on the big screen and how they'll handle Kamala/Carol switching places
I'm worried for that movie, I think it might bomb
Or Captain Marvel 2 could flop
Definitely like this lineup! Looking forward to see more of Moon Night, She-Hulk, Captain America and Shang-chi!
How many people actually want sam and carol leading the avengers?
@@metallicnole4514 I mean if you add Dr. Strange, it could be like how Steve, Natasha and Tony were the leaders
@@jesuusch Unless carol gets a complete personality overhaul, there's no way she's gonna be as interesting as natasha
10 avengers is far too small of a group. I think it now makes more sense to think in "groups" or "teams" rather than individuals at this point. You can have the street level team (spider-man, etc), cosmic team (captain marvel, etc), magic/supernatural team (Doctor Strange, Moon Knight, etc), Thunderbolts, etc. I think the movie could support 3-5 team stories simultaneously. Secret Wars can then dive into the different universes and expand from there.. with the final battleworld finale that brings everyone together.
I'm confused lol Grace kept saying 10th spot but I only see 8 photos. Who's in the 9th spot
Imagine watching - Spidey, MK and Shang-Chi fighting together against Kang!!! They should set this up like Infinity War - via - having a couple different teams. Loki, Ant-Man, Wasp should be part of it. MK will be fun to watch the banter with his split personalities. Dr. Strange/Wong will definitely be in it. Have hard time Wanda not helping out as part of her redemption. Lastly, I could see (and LOVE) Deadpool and Wolvie being in it.
For some reason I still like watching these videos even tho, aside from the 2 Spider-Man movies, I haven't seen a single MCU movie since End Game
I think this is a great line up and makes the most sense. I, however, think that Wasp and War Machine deserve to be in this line up as well. Doctor Strange too since he and Clea will literally be fighting against an incursion.
I guess my question is will it only be 8-10 because other variants will be involved??
I think Grace is focusing too much on how powerful various characters are. Half of the original Avengers were fairly low on the power scale. Clint and Natasha just have good training. Steve is super human, but just barely. Popularity seems to be more based on how relatable a hero is.
Yep that's exactly what she's doing.
I quite like this lineup but Loki definitely should definitely be a part of it. Im also not sure about having two hulks, just She-Hulk will be fine imo.
I think the success and likability of this team will depend on the writing; a healthy balance between comedy, action & drama is vital
This lineup ensures I get to keep more of my money in my pocker
Really. You pick she Hulk over Hulk?
Doctor Strange has to be there. The show characters are unknown to most casual fans. See ratings.
To be fair, this lineup and recent movies don't create hype for Avengers movies.
It just doesn't make any sense not to have Doctor Strange or Ant-man and the Wasp in here. Strange, Carol and Sam should be the new trinity. Period. Sam and Carol being co-captains is such an amazing idea btw.
But I couldn't care less about the Hulks and Moon Knight works better with a different team idk.
Benedict and Paul cost to much money, Kevin Feige need to sacrifice their salaries to pay Tom Holland
Carol🤢🤢.
Spiderman would be their
This team is nasty
I would rather see
Strange
Spider-Man
Shang chi
Sam Wilson
Hulk
Captain marvel
Moonknight
Fantastic 4
My favs in this line up are shang chi and sam Wilson's captain america the rest i have mixed feelings about
Spider-Man??? Lmao classic character what you mean. Moonight spidey and Shang chi for me
Excellent video! Thanks Grace! 💥
This isn't a billion dollar cast.
I like this team. But did I miss who is #9?
1. Captain America
2. Captain Marvel
3. Hulk
4. She Hulk
5. Spider-Man
6. Shang-Chi
7. Black Panther
8. Moon Knight
9.?
10?
I think they need a Magic wielder, so Loki or Dr. Strange
I feel like you gotta have Dr Strange in an Avengers film. War Machine could also be involved and I guess we’ll prob get Antman and Wasp. Maybe Thor as well?
War Machine is getting his own film. Don Cheadle is ready to go beyond teamups.
If I'm Sony I don't let Marvel put Tom Holland's Spiderman in this movie. This will probably be the least selling Avengers movie.
Marvel just needs to bring back the Russo Brothers. They were such a good match for the MCU. Having 2 people handle movies of this massive size and scale works best.
I would love to see them direct Secret Wars, if Ryan Coogler doesn't want it.
Just keep Wallydron away from it *PLEEASE!* 😩😫
Hi Grace. What about Rhodey and Wasp? Why aren’t they on the new Lineup?
Exactly
West Coast Avengers
Whatever happened with Ant-Man’s writing… please don’t repeat that, Marvel.
It felt like Ironman and Captain America were co leaders.
This is a great breakdown especially last 8 mins. Awesome job
Sam is probably the most mentally stable of all the heroes in marvel. So underrated and not utilized enough.
Yeah he’s also the most boring character
@@Dr.LongMonkey not due to the character, he has so much Potential to be greater than any of the other marvel leaders so far. It’s the writers who have held the character back
With the movie and limited scenes of Captain Marvel we have gotten so far, I actually really enjoy her character and am excited to see more of her. She isn't my favorite character or anything but I'm excited for Captain Marvel 2 and look forward to seeing her in the avengers movies
I would love to see Loki level up magically in the vein of Dr. Strange in Infinity War.
captian amarica, captain marvel, shang chi, shuri, she hulk, spiderman, antman, loki, moonnight, & dr.strange.
i dont know how dr.srange would fit into the dynamic but it would be wild to me for then to not include him, also clint would fit well as the resident ex avenger, modern thor I count as more of an honorary guardian than an avenger at this point.
The whole team though, no matter how interesting, feels like hanging out with friends of friends without the connective shared friend in the mix.
Loki? An Avenger? That would be quite a twist but I think he could just be an associate without being part of the team. Depending on what his story is in the second season, he could still have sort of villainous role while at the same time, fighting Kang.
love it
I'm so glad you loved my video! :)
I think Children’s Crusade, if it’s soon, is a PERFECT way to introduce Doctor Doom as a next major villain.
That wouldn’t make sense. The characters that are needed aren’t in the mcu so 🤷🏿♂️
The next major Villian needs to be story ending. You can't keep this going forever. I would bring on Knull for the end.
Moon Knight alone and I am back to watching Marvel movies again. Line up looking solid too.
Captain Marvel in the Midnight Suns video game is so cool and relatable. Unfortunately that characterization is not in the MCU. There is still time to save that character but the writers have a lot of work to do.
She was great in the cartoons and older comics.
@@Blodhelm That's good to know as I'm not familiar with her in the comics. Just with what the MCU has given us. The creators of the game must know all these character well because in the game they are all fantastic.
I think Captain Marvel in the comics is actually a really well developed character. She has a ton of history and interesting stories that often get overlooked, more recently because of the Civil War 2 storyline in the comics that turned a lot of ppl against her.
She currently has one of the longest ongoing solo series at Marvel right now and I think that’s a testament to her having found a fanbase.
As far as how she hasn’t connected with more die hard fans, we have to remember she’s only been in one MCU movie from beginning to end, the other times she’s shown up only to assist quickly. She has only been played a major role in her own movie. We still haven’t spent that much time with her compared to other characters nor gotten a good understanding of her dynamic as part of a team, which the marvels will show us.
Lmao
If classic comic or cartoon Captain Marvel shows up, pretty sure the fans would too. Not a likely scenario though.
@@Chino_does don't know what the lmao is for when everything is said is pure logic.
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Behind you
So far, 4 Avengers have had a DIRECT connection with the multiverse - Dr. Strange, Spider-man, Ant-man, and Scarlet Witch. If all of them are not included in a multiverse Avengers story, then what was a point of their multiverse movies. Same logic with Loki.
I am not thrilled about the potential new line up. I have a feeling that the movie would be a flop.
Doctor Strange should be on that team. He's the strongest (when they don't purposely make him weak) and convenient for the writers' plot. He's the teleport guy, he's smart and has plans, and he has knowledge of the multiverse. BUT I understand.. because of all that he's the type of character that can't be together with the team all the time... otherwise the problems would be solved easily
Grace, I'd love to see you do a video about the state of the MCU, like declining box, office etc. I get that it's a part of Movie Math. But making a whole video would be great.
I really want Photon to have a role on the Avengers !
Monica Rambeau did lead the Avengers in the comics at one time.
@Bryce Fryar ik she's one of my favorites ! and I just think she should have a place on the team in live action as well
if the leaks i have read about kang dynasty is true, she will surely play a big role protecting kamala if kang is really after her bangles and the ten rings
"Avengers Kang Dynasty Lineup aka Roster" 🤣🤣
How the mighty have fallen! 😭
will Thunderbolts show up in Kang Dynasty? I assume they'll need all the muscle they can get fighting Mr. Kang and his dynasty
I don't see this lineup happening. Too many men are on the team. Marvel is the M-She-U now.
This movie is a disaster in the making... nothing about Kang Dynasty is that interesting and this line up is pretty lame and the writing on ant man was pathetic so I'm over it.
Graceeee!! You always have the right words to get me hyped
Without Ant Man and Wasp along with Pym Tech the Avengrs would be DOA against Kang. And where is Benedict at? How can you face a Multiversal Time Traveling Warlord without Dr. Strange?
Lineup should be Strange, Shuri, Ant Man and Spider Man as the core 4.
The entire ‘Loki’ series is about setting up Kang so he should be there too.
Been waiting for this video for soooo long
A bunch of strange omissions like doctor strange, wong, the Marvels, Thor, hulk, iron heart, Loki, the wasp, Nakia and many others that will definitely be in the hero role for kang dynasty also I really hope this film gets delayed so we can have more projects developing the characters
Grace is completely coping here if she think this is a good lineup. First off the fans HATE Captain Marvel. They HATE She-Hulk. And They HATE Falcon as Captain America. Falcon is a good supporting Avenger but definitely doesn’t have the charisma and like ability to lead the Avengers. Nobody says their favorite Avenger is Falcon.
no one hate falcon as cap , and captain marvel , maybe but she hulk , it's more on the writing , but the character itself , people like her because tasiana maslany is so likeable
If Kang Dynasty operates like IW… then we can have everyone cause they would be broken in the multiverse teams before coming back together in Secret Wars
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Spider-man had everyone forget who he was. If anything he’d be someone just there to help like Doctor Strange but not an official Avenger.
But IMO….
Captain America(Falcon)
Captain Marvel
Hulk
She-Hulk
Black Panther
Moon Knight
Shang Chi
Kate Bishop
War Machine
Is a solid lineup.
But I’m hoping we get Sentry, Blue Marvel or Wonder Man as a last minute addition. I can imagine Kang creating Wonder Man and using him as a weapon.
I have a theory that we might get a midnight sons project. And that will be its own little team in the movie. Consisting of Moon, Knight, werewolf by night, man, thing, Elsa, bloodstone, blade, ect
A Midnight Suns is more than a theory... it's being kicked around as Film or Or Series....but they definitely have a Project in the works ... the question is when not if....
That’s to much going on in a 3 hour tops movie most likely.
that theory has been floating around since Fall 2022
Not sure what the comic is like, but setting up another wanda love interest seems weird since vision is well received, plus they had an entire show.
I actually think Captain Marvel benefited from Wonder Woman as well … she was to be the Marvel answer to Gal and so many expected it to be better so gave it a chance
Absolutely not. Please stop this old argument / she benefited bla bla. She’s her own hero. WW isn’t the only female character around. By far there are many. Not every woman or men relate to Diana. That being said, They are very different and Carol has her own merits, and fans.
@@RafaRodrigues youre right then . Movies and timings dont affect each other CaptainMarvel accomplished everything on its own . Feel better ?
@@RafaRodrigues Do you really think Captain Marvel got billion because of her popularity? Even Thor didn't got 1 billion. Or wonder woman. And women women is by far most popular female character.
So Captain Marvel was a success because of infinity war hype
This was the perfect video to watch with breakfast, thanks Grace!
I just don't care anymore, right shehulk?
Really good narrative!🎉
This lineup looks very C list.
Great discussions in this video honestly