If Jerome became convinced that the apocryphal writings were not inspired and should not be included, at what point were they declared scripture? I assume it is much earlier, and maybe I missed it in an earlier lecture.
The more I listen to these the more I am persuaded that Christianity began to be corrupted with the Roman adoption of it. Many of these early church "fathers" may have been influential in developing theology but in the end that in itself could not change men's hearts.
Most of them were. They confused the Temple leaders of Jesus' time with the whole Jewish people of whom Jesus and his disciples culturally and mostly religiously were a part of. In the beginning years of Christianity Judaism was a rival sect and then after Constantine empire politics made the divide dangerous. Religion became politics and politics is power.
I agree in part but it is more complicated than "confusing" Jews with the Temple leaders. These are the words of St Ambrose concerning the rebuilding of a Synagogue which had been burnt down on the encouragement of another Bishop in Mesopotamia. The Roman Emperor, Theodosius the Great had ordered the Bishop to pay for the rebuilding of the synagogue but St Ambose protested. He told the Emperor " There is no adequate cause for such a commotion that the people should be o severely punished for the burning of a building, and much less since it is the burning of of a synagogue, a one of unbelief, a house of impiety, a receptacle of folly which G-d Himself has condemned." This set a precedence that if Christians destroy a synagogue the Jews have to pay for it. This is not something that was "in the beginning years of Christianity" but rather from the 3rd Century all the way up to Nazi Germany. Maritn Luther in Concerning the Jews and their Lies eight actions to be taken against the Jews - Burning all synagogues, destroying Jewish dwellings etc. Hitler copied his ideas and in fact, during the Nuremberg trails these were used as an excuse by the some of those on trial. I think Dr Reeves lectures are really good and have listened to many of them. The only fault I find is he remains mainly silent about the Antisemitism of the Church. The overall picture from his lectures is that people like St Chrysostom and Ambrose and others are holy people but how can you praise such people when they have taught such file and hate against Jews? St Chrysostom used the NT teaching of Jesus who said "I know why you do not believe in me, it is because you are of your father the Devil" to teach: The Synagogue is worse than a brothel.... a place of meetings for the assassins of Christ.. as refuge of devils." The assassination bit also comes from the NT when the Jews watching the crucifixion state: "May his blood be on our heads and on the heads of our children..." This one statement made Jews murderers of Jesus for century (until the Pope after the Holocaust announced to have this teaching removed from the Church). It took the death of 6,000,000 Jews for this to happen. A good book to read is Our Hands our Stained with Blood by Brown (who happens to be a Jewish convert to Christianity). I think there was an element of revenge against the Jews not just because of their part in the Crucification Jesus but because of the wary persecution of Christians by Jews. This was never, to my knowledge, as sever as what Christians have done to the Jews. There is a natural tendency to ostracise start-up sects who try to draw others, particularly the young, to join their new cults. So early Christians, who were Jews, would have been expelled from Synagogues. I have a friend whose wife is Jewish and he tries to missionaries to Jews. Hence he is forbidden to enter his local synagogue. There were worse things than this that jews did to Christians but it did not last for nearly 2000 years and was nothing like the pogroms and tortures of the Inquisition.
Dovid Shaw I'll just refer about what you said of Dr. Reeves and his supossed silence on antisemitism. Well, that's actually false. Just see the video "Martin Luther's Legacy"( I don't remember if this is the exact name, but it is the last one in the series about Luther), and you'll find how Reeves adresses the subject of Luther's antisemitism in his final days, condemning it.
Dovid Shaw I agree with you in the matter that antisemitism in the history of christianity is a huge problem that must be adressed and must not be forgotten or diminished.
Yes I watch the one on Luther and he did mention about Luther's antisemitism. However, Luther's written word became practiced by the Nazis and this is an important outcome of what he taught. There is a very good book by Michael Brown called Our Hands are Stained with Blood. Michael is actually a Jew who converted to Christianity. His book does address this issue but its the Churches that need to address it through teaching an alternative explanation to those Scriptures in the NT that are the bases of historic Antisemitism from the Church.
I am very happy to find this comparison, as I am I interested in the schism between greek (orthodox) and catholic (roman) Christianity but also I like geography and have lived in Milano. Saint Ambrosio chapel and Milano is not on the road to south Venice!. th-cam.com/video/Z5yRoqsn1HA/w-d-xo.html Please put Milano on the map properly. It is really worth visiting Milano because the cathedral houses relics that lead much further back from its gothic origins. There are many fascinating early sculpures and artifacts that that embrace the rich symbolism from early Christianity and polytheistic beliefs that were so present prior to the schism between Constantinople and Rome.
I have recently discovered this series of teachings by Dr. Reeves. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT! Thank you so much for putting all this on youtube.
Me too, I really appreciate this series.
If Jerome became convinced that the apocryphal writings were not inspired and should not be included, at what point were they declared scripture? I assume it is much earlier, and maybe I missed it in an earlier lecture.
Anybody who loves books and learning, cannae be all bad. I think I like this learned curmudgeon.
Does anybody know any good novel about this Period? i found it so interesting
Thank you.
It's "Flowering," not "Flouring" of Latin Theology (at 1:25). Otherwise, it's a good lecture.
Yep, hilarious typo in the editing. I think this was the phase where I was editing at 3am certain nights on a small screen. :)
Floured, brushed with butter and baked in the oven at 350 degrees for thirty minutes makes a mighty tasty theology.
0 thumbs up, that's incredible
The more I listen to these the more I am persuaded that Christianity began to be corrupted with the Roman adoption of it.
Many of these early church "fathers" may have been influential in developing theology but in the end that in itself could not change men's hearts.
So why then was Ambrose such an Antisemite?
Most of them were. They confused the Temple leaders of Jesus' time with the whole Jewish people of whom Jesus and his disciples culturally and mostly religiously were a part of. In the beginning years of Christianity Judaism was a rival sect and then after Constantine empire politics made the divide dangerous. Religion became politics and politics is power.
I agree in part but it is more complicated than "confusing" Jews with the Temple leaders. These are the words of St Ambrose concerning the rebuilding of a Synagogue which had been burnt down on the encouragement of another Bishop in Mesopotamia. The Roman Emperor, Theodosius the Great had ordered the Bishop to pay for the rebuilding of the synagogue but St Ambose protested. He told the Emperor " There is no adequate cause for such a commotion that the people should be o severely punished for the burning of a building, and much less since it is the burning of of a synagogue, a one of unbelief, a house of impiety, a receptacle of folly which G-d Himself has condemned."
This set a precedence that if Christians destroy a synagogue the Jews have to pay for it.
This is not something that was "in the beginning years of Christianity" but rather from the 3rd Century all the way up to Nazi Germany. Maritn Luther in Concerning the Jews and their Lies eight actions to be taken against the Jews - Burning all synagogues, destroying Jewish dwellings etc. Hitler copied his ideas and in fact, during the Nuremberg trails these were used as an excuse by the some of those on trial.
I think Dr Reeves lectures are really good and have listened to many of them. The only fault I find is he remains mainly silent about the Antisemitism of the Church. The overall picture from his lectures is that people like St Chrysostom and Ambrose and others are holy people but how can you praise such people when they have taught such file and hate against Jews?
St Chrysostom used the NT teaching of Jesus who said "I know why you do not believe in me, it is because you are of your father the Devil" to teach: The Synagogue is worse than a brothel.... a place of meetings for the assassins of Christ.. as refuge of devils." The assassination bit also comes from the NT when the Jews watching the crucifixion state: "May his blood be on our heads and on the heads of our children..." This one statement made Jews murderers of Jesus for century (until the Pope after the Holocaust announced to have this teaching removed from the Church). It took the death of 6,000,000 Jews for this to happen.
A good book to read is Our Hands our Stained with Blood by Brown (who happens to be a Jewish convert to Christianity).
I think there was an element of revenge against the Jews not just because of their part in the Crucification Jesus but because of the wary persecution of Christians by Jews. This was never, to my knowledge, as sever as what Christians have done to the Jews. There is a natural tendency to ostracise start-up sects who try to draw others, particularly the young, to join their new cults. So early Christians, who were Jews, would have been expelled from Synagogues. I have a friend whose wife is Jewish and he tries to missionaries to Jews. Hence he is forbidden to enter his local synagogue. There were worse things than this that jews did to Christians but it did not last for nearly 2000 years and was nothing like the pogroms and tortures of the Inquisition.
Dovid Shaw I'll just refer about what you said of Dr. Reeves and his supossed silence on antisemitism. Well, that's actually false. Just see the video "Martin Luther's Legacy"( I don't remember if this is the exact name, but it is the last one in the series about Luther), and you'll find how Reeves adresses the subject of Luther's antisemitism in his final days, condemning it.
Dovid Shaw I agree with you in the matter that antisemitism in the history of christianity is a huge problem that must be adressed and must not be forgotten or diminished.
Yes I watch the one on Luther and he did mention about Luther's antisemitism. However, Luther's written word became practiced by the Nazis and this is an important outcome of what he taught. There is a very good book by Michael Brown called Our Hands are Stained with Blood. Michael is actually a Jew who converted to Christianity. His book does address this issue but its the Churches that need to address it through teaching an alternative explanation to those Scriptures in the NT that are the bases of historic Antisemitism from the Church.
I am very happy to find this comparison, as I am I interested in the schism between greek (orthodox) and catholic (roman) Christianity but also I like geography and have lived in Milano. Saint Ambrosio chapel and Milano is not on the road to south Venice!. th-cam.com/video/Z5yRoqsn1HA/w-d-xo.html Please put Milano on the map properly. It is really worth visiting Milano because the cathedral houses relics that lead much further back from its gothic origins. There are many fascinating early sculpures and artifacts that that embrace the rich symbolism from early Christianity and polytheistic beliefs that were so present prior to the schism between Constantinople and Rome.