A small important note, the way people viewed lifeboats back then was very different. Peopled figured there was so much Atlantic traffic that a rescue ship would be able to come fast and the lifeboats would just be used to ferry passengers. The issue was titanic sank at night and too a massive ice fields. Ships on the other side of the ice like the Frankfurt couldn’t get through and a nearby ship the Californian only wireless operator was asleep
One of Titanics wireless operators, Jack Philips, had actually told the Californian to shut up when the Californian was warning them about ice. The Californian was also stuck in an Icefield, so they couldn’t have really done anything
They had the wrong color flares so instead of thinking they were in distress, ships in other lanes thought they were just celebrating something or just having fun, it was all a setup to kill all the powerful wealthy people opposed to the federal reserve act of 1919 such as John Jacob Astor and many more men, which is also why there weren't enough lifeboats, and this short is absolute garbage, especially for even daring to use propaganda movie scenes as fact is that nobody called it unsinkable because any boat can sink and everybody knows it.
@@dsprocks What an insane and completely unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. If that was a case then why did rich people get lifeboats first meaning they were far more likely to get on ones while the poors were screwed. Good thing the iceberg cooperated as a secret military asset to ram the boat.
The 16 life boat rule wasn’t random, it was because that was the law for 10k ton+ ships. Ships had gotten so much bigger so fast, that there weren’t laws for ships as big as titanic yet. The problem is, titanic wasn’t 10k tons. She was 46k tons. Even though there may not have been enough lifeboats, the watertight compartment system was revolutionary at the time and made her the safest ship on the ocean.
The water tight compartment system was indeed revolutionary, in second century AD China when they were invented. Just about every other boat, let alone massive ocean liners like Titanic, had them
Funfact, no one ever said that titanic was outright unsinkable. Harland & Wolff (the shipyard that built the ship) stated they made her as unsinkable as they could.
Also to note, at that time lifeboats were only there to ferry people from a disabled ship to a rescue vessel, not to keep people afloat as the boat sank
@@plantcitycouponing not necessarily, the aft four could flood as well, and there are some scenarios where three compartments could be flooded and titanic would survive
I live in Northern Ireland. We had to do so much research on this topic when we were 11. They started with 64 lifeboats, wanted more space so they cut it down to 32 and then wanted even more space and cut down to 16. I think the rule was that there had to be enough lifeboats to save at least half the people on board.
The Titanic was originally supposed to have (I'm pretty sure) 32 lifeboats. Mr. Andrews (the designer of the RMS Titanic) had originally wanted to equip it with this many so it could fit every passenger. However, J. Bruce Ismay, the chairman of the White Star Line, said to remove many of the lifeboats because "it made the deck to cluttered." And, with the law that every boat must have enough lifeboats to accout for all passengers not in place yet, they were allowed to remove them. Also, Mr. Ismay (Who wanted fewer lifeboats) got on one, and Mr. Andrews (who wanted more) did not.
@@DeletedDevilDeletedAngel Other than the unconfirmed possibility that some random ass passenger may have said that, certainly no officer said that. The captain never said that, the architect never said that, none of the engineers said that. No one important said that.
I love how Rose promise Jack that she will never let go but then a lifeboat come and Rose let go. Edit: to those Idiots that can't understand what I said, In the start of the video he said "not that lie" which is when rose said I'll never let go.
She promised to never let go of survival, she promised to never let go of her promise to survive for Jack, to die an old lady, warm in her bed, to never forget him, to have lots of babies, and to live her life, but always remembering him, and always having him with her, in her heart.
For all the people saying how she said "Ill never let go" and then she actually let go his hand , well Jack knew that Rose would give up her life if he died so he made Rose promise that she would LIVE , not die like this in pain and misery , she would live a long life and die an old lady comfortable in her warm bed and "I'll never let go" meant that she would never break the promise or give up on it , Not because she would never let go his hand , She turned the life boat's attention to her so she could be rescued and live and meet him once she died peacefully. ❤
So having never seen it the gist is. She would die if she kept holding his hand. So he pushed her to let go to save her. And she said she would never let go. Referring to the promise. (Which I'm assuming is like always love each other or promise to see each other again. Something like that.) Also if I am understanding it right. Did the script writer ever say why they worded it like that. It seems a bit confusing. Unnecessarily so.
@@ace74909 yes, but you must see that they had around 30 ~ 40 seconds to react, and with this new ship about to make New York headlines, and potentially take the Blue Ribbon. Would you smash its head-on and with the still likely possibility of it still sinking ruin the company's reputation and anger the owner of the ship (Yes, he was on the ship when it sank.) or try to avoid the iceberg, and make it to New York?
No. The Titanic weighed 52,000 tons, and was moving at 23 knots. That kind of object hitting an iceberg and coming to a sudden stop would be devastating. Compressive failures along the ships length, a large scale buckling of the ships frame. It would've been disastrous. Titanic would've sank significantly quicker than it actually did.
It's not that they didn't put enough lifeboats on board because they saw the ship as "unsinkable". In fact, it was never said to be unsinkable until after it sank ironically enough. Back then, lifeboats just weren't seen as a means to evacuate people from a ship, but rather to transfer people from one ship to another.
It actually was referred to as unsinkable because of a quote that One of the builders had said saying they had made it as unsinkable as they could And the media I just kind of ran with it.What's interesting Is I wasn't really used.Ironically , until afterwards , the documents that we have which mind you , most people didn't keep copying Of newspapers for very long periods , so the articles that we have are From after the event because it was a dramatic event, kind of lake.Think the Other disasters that have happened at 3 19 50 or even pre archives
Additional fact: At first, Titanic was planned to have 50 lifeboats. But it was then reduced to 32 to make more room for the passenges to stroll the top deck. It was then reduced even further to 16 lifeboats, plus 4 "emergency" lifeboats. Final fact: Despite the low number of lifeboats, they were very expertly designed. Each boat was able to hold about 30 - 50 passengers each (without additional luggage). Unfortunately, the crew were not aware of the durability of the lifeboats, and each lifeboat had about an average of 15 passengers.
Not a lie: She meant she will never let go of her promise not his hand! She promised him she would live! So she let go of his HAND and got the lifeboats attention and saved herself and her promise! ❤
Lifeboats we’re viewed as boats to ferry passengers from the sinking ship to a rescue ship. They weren’t really thought of as a means to evacuate an entire ships population until after the titanic sank.
1909, the RMS Republic is hit by another ship and begins to slowly sink. Since the ship takes 9 hours to sink, a boat comes to the rescue and (almost) all of Republic's passengers and crew are ferried to the rescue ship using the lifeboats. This is what they anticipated what would happen in the case of a serious accident. Unfortunately, the route wasn't busy enough on the night of April 14th 1912 for a ship to come to Titanic's rescue in time.
One of the other problems with putting enough lifeboats on board was that the ship could be too top heavy and capsize, this actually happened to another ship before the titanic and it capsized because of too many lifeboats.
Edward Smith said that he could not imagine anything sinking „this“ ship in 1907, when the Titanic wasn’t even thought of regarding another ship he commanded which didn’t sink. The unsinkable story was a public opinion and never actually officially marketed as unsinkable by the White Star Line.
I remember seeing a documentary about the Titantic and yes if it hit it head on it would have been OK, but I think they tried to turn but went too fast and scrapped the whole side of the ship
@@Cyanide_and_Loneliness we’re not talking a few we’re talking hundreds since stokers we’re at the bow and crew members we’re sleeping in there cabins which was at the bow plus in a head on collision more damage would’ve happened flooding more compartments
Another reason they didn’t add more lifeboats is because they thought the deck would be to cluttered but I’m sure people would rather their lives. Rest in peace for all that lost there lives
Thats a myth made up by the movie the number of life boats a ship was required to have was its weight not capacity and the life boats were designed to ferry people to another ship the problem was the Californian didnt show up to the rescue and the carpathia was hours away and arrivied after the titanic sank
The issue was a lot bigger than just the amount of life boats. Due to confusion and a stupid rule of who could go on boats they were lowered half empty saving way less than was possible. Also a lot of people were lost on the lower decks and would never have made it to a life boat regardless of how many were available. What was needed was proper care to make sure they were full before lowering and every person that was capable of getting to a life boat could probably have been saved
Which Incredibly ironic almost 40 years later; ships in the second world war were getting hammered into oblivion and staying afloat. Shells that could literally flatten buildings; bombardments below the water line, ammunition fires, fuel leaks, anything and everything, even scuttling charges, and ships stayed afloat for days sometimes. The Titanic hit one iceberg and dropped like a rock; USS Hornet was bombed into oblivion and didn't sink until the Japanese found her the next day and torpedoed her till she sank. Lifeboats or not; the engineering difference was massive.
Thank you for pointing this out also you have to remember there was a problem with the iron that they made the Titanic with. Another problem she had a coal fire that made the iron brittle the coal fire was where she got hit. A lot of times they could seal these especially a breach like that. They tried to get the burning coal out of the the area but what are you going to do with burning coal? They were able to make them watertight if they could have gotten to that fifth compartment and sealed. Unfortunately they could not empty that bunker. They have been working on trying to get it to stopped to get the fire stopped but the damage to the outside wall had already been done.
What's ironic? 40 years is almost half a decade, believe it or not, things change and evolve, craftsmanship gets better. Crazy thought right? Titanic wasn't a warship (might've been a military passenger ship had she not sank, but that's not important) and hypothetically if a modern carnival like or something was hit with artillery, I bet that ship might sink in under an hour. Your argument makes no sense. And she did not "drop like a rock" went down very slow and steady. There wasn't enough life boats and honestly nobody had to die. It was sheer arrogance, and once the crew was faced with that reality, all they cared about was protecting the rich and famous.
@@owenconenna7532 I would like to point out that you forgot about the sinking of the MODERN cruise ship Costa Concordia, rolled over and sank in 30 minutes of hitting a rock. A near literal repeat of the Titanic in modern times. A modern ship; built to withstand compartment flooding on the same scale and principal as Titanic... Sure the technology changed; but the only valid point you are proving to me is that projects belonging to the rich and famous do not work. Costa Concordia is a modern cruise liner: not a warship, hit one rock, rolled over and sank on the shores of an island and is regarded as one of the worst cruise ship disasters since the Titanic. A modern cruise ship built using modern materials and "improved technologies" A warship from WW2 being built in facilities that made the same types of steels; metals and production types of ships in WW1, built ships that withstood WW2, the only difference was changes in the types of welding, armor used and compartments. You cannot tell me technology improves when a ship like Costa Concordia; a ship worth 1 billion dollars, crashes and sinks on a rock... When a ship like the USS Hornet, made with only slight differences in craft and quality of WW2, gets hit by multiple strikes, fires, hull breaches and even a below the water line strike, stays afloat for a day and finally sinks to a torpedo strike. The only point here that I see is correct; is that projects of the rich and famous are garbage and people who use money should not be in charge of ship making, because it's not a quality issue, it's who has the money and who's doing the building that is the issue.
You're comparing warships, which simply have to sink other ships, to an ocean liner that has to turn a profit and isn't expected to be repeatedly hit by shells and torpedoes.
@@foxymetroid 733 merchant ships were sunk during the second World War; most of them were unarmed vessels without escorts or protection During multiple battles throughout various parts of the Atlantic and the Pacific; civilian cruise liners were being used as transport ships by the military to carry troops and personnel between battlefields and other locations During the opening hours of Dunkirk there were cruise ships being used to try to get soldiers off the beaches as the Germans were attacking There were also vessels that were involved in the White Star line that were used during the wars that were both hit by torpedoes and mines Do not tell me that I am comparing warships to civilian vessels when throughout the wars civilian vessels were being hit just as frequently That's not even counting civilian ships being turned into warships by the United States who were desperate and short on vessels
It wouldn’t have mattered if there were more lifeboats, the crew didn’t have enough time to launch the last two boats anyway, both were getting hooked up to the davits when the ship plunged.
A big reason why there weren’t enough was that lifeboats back then we’re seen as transportation from one ship to another rather than a long term raft. Great video would recommend
The reason for this is that indeed, a large ship like Titanic is generally much more survivable in nearly all cases than the much smaller lifeboats. The point of lifeboats wasn't to save everyone on the ship. It was to allow survivors to be able to get help when the large ship beaches near land while most people stayed on the ship. Until then, it was very rare for a ship to end up in a situation where it would sink while the lifeboats would be fine.
@@AnarexicSumo that seems reasonable enough, I'm sure it was used for that purpose too. Point being, the lifeboats were not meant to be long-term survival crafts for the passengers
Another reason they didn’t add more lifeboats was because life boats back then were not seen as a boat that can support passengers for a long period of time, but rather a means of ferrying passengers from one ship to another in case of emergency.
Actually the Titanic was meant to be "Unsinkable" cause it has sealed doors, the 4 flooded compartments breached, so on that very day on April 14th, 1912, it sank
No, it was meant to be as safe as possible, that's all. No ship is unsinkable, and they knew it perfectly well. Compartmentalization and watertight doors weren't new, and weren't perfect. That's how Ismay knew they were done for as soon as a fifth compartment flooded
Another reason why titanic didn't have enough life boats was because life boats where not a means of evacuating a ship it was a means of ferrying passengers from a ship in distress to a ship that is not in any immediate danger and to how the Transatlantic passage was so busy it was always assumed that a ship would be close enough to help a ship in distress there was a ship close to help titanic but her wireless operator was sleeping while titanic was sending out distress calls
Also, the Californian DID see the distress signals, but the captain said it was for another ship. They shouldve woken up the radio guy and asked if everything was okay, or titanic shouldve sent the rockets every 1 minute, unlike how they did it every 5.
Yes, so the idea was that even if 4 compartments were fully flooded the ship could stay afloat. But it was actually 5, and with the water dragging the front of the ship down the angle of the ship allowed water to spill into other compartments. This happened because the compartment's water tight walls weren't high enough, and above those compartments they did not have roofs. Titanic's sinking was mostly out of bad luck, the ship's throttle was set to stop and the wheel in the helm wasn't able to turn fast enough which allowed her to be hit. The ship would have actually managed to miss it but under the water the iceberg had a 'bump' which made it bigger underneath the water and allowed for the ship to be sliced. It was thought if the titanic could not have been saved, it would sink slow enough that nearby ships could aid the passengers from the sinking ship, and actually the nearest ship was only 10 miles away. It was thought that the ship would act as a lifeboat and the actual lifeboats would act like ferry's transporting passengers from the titanic to another ship. But that didn't happen. It took the titanic 2 hours to sink. A mistake by the crew was that they were travelling to fast in a known ice patch that they were aware of, and if the person at the helm had decided to stop the engines and literally ram the iceberg head-on she could have survived, although there would be lot's of dead.
@@likeablekiwi6265 if the person who was at the helm decided to ram the iceberg, the titanic would certainly not sink but they would have suffered serve consequences for their actions, it would make a good story just not for him
It was no different from any other ship designed back then. No ship had ever been designed with bulkheads that reached the strength deck (highest continuous deck) and even modern ships with such bulkhead designs still sink, so it really isn't a huge difference ultimately.
The thinking back then was that lifeboats were just for ferrying folks to and from rescue boats in an emergency. So having enough for everyone at once wasn’t thought to be necessary.
one thing I hate about almost all titanic films/ anything really, is when 1st officer Murdoch puts the ship into full reverse then manages to turn the ship. the middle propeller (which is the one that the rudder uses to steer, by turning its propulsion) could revers meaning it could not turn in reverse.
So the law at the time was that lifeboats were determined by how big your ship was. This is determined by the ship's volume in Gross Tons (which is not a weight, a gross ton is volume and is roughly 100 cubic feet). If your ship was 10,000 gross tons or more, you needed at least 16 lifeboats. The time the law was put in place 10,000 tons was about as big as ships got. However it had not been updated for over a decade, so ships got a lot bigger. Titanic was 46,000 gross tons, which is a world of difference. Legally, being over 10,000 gross tons, it only needs 16 lifeboats. 4 more 'collapsible' style lifeboats were included in the design bringing it up to 20. The idea with lifeboats at the time, was that all they needed to do was to ferry passengers from a ship that was sinking to one that had come to rescue them. Radio would call other ships to the rescue. Your ship just needed to hold on long enough for a rescue ship to arrive. This wasn't a far fetched idea as it had happened before, the RMS Republic, for example, ran into another ship in thick fog, and had used the radio to call for another ship, the Baltic, only 6 people died, as the vast majority of passengers and crew were transferred to Baltic. When Titanic hit an iceberg, the vessel was isolated by itself. The closest ship online was the Carpathia, which was 3.5 hours away. Titanic could only hold on for 2 hours and 40 minutes total, so a seat in a lifeboat was what determined if you lived or died that night. After this the law changed so that lifeboat numbers were determined by ship capacity, not size.
And it failed cause the people he was doing the experiment with actually found a way to keep both of their cores out of the water at the same time on the same door and both survive LOL
I learned a few years ago that lifeboats were meant as ferries; nobody figured on Titanic sinking so fast or so far from help that there would be no time to load a boat, send it to the other ship, unload it, and send it back
The reason is that life boats weren't meant to evacuate all passengers at once. The routes these ships sailed were so busy that it was thought that there would always be another ship close enough that the life boats could be used to transfere passengers between the ships.
There was another ship very close by(can't remember it's name) but its transmitter guy had gone to bed and no one else was watching for emergencies. And yes the Titanic is also why all ships must always have the emergency transmitters turned on and attended
@@lordlawris5985 Though SS Californian was probably only visible due to the atmospheric conditions and was likely about 25 miles away and still wouldn't have reached titanic in time had it been alerted.
@@TLO129 it wouldn't have reached the ship in time to rescue the passengers before they were in the water But it almost certainly would have reached them before they you know fuckin drowned
@@GodbornNoven Passengers died of hypothermia in 28 degree Fahrenheit water. They would lose consciousness in about 15 minutes of being in that water, dying shortly after. They did not drown. Californian wouldn't have been able to save any additional lives.
The real reason is because back in the 1900s, there was a law where the amount of lifeboats were based off of gross tonnage. (as i remember) After the Titanic sinking, the British Inquiry changed the amount of lifeboats depending on how many passengers.
The real reason she didn’t have enough boats is bc back then they thought that a ship would be close enough and the lifeboats would just be used to ferry the passengers from the stricken liner to the safe liner ex: the sinking of the RMS Republic
The biggest problem with the number of Titanic's lifeboats, was strangely, likely Lusitania. The lifeboat requirements were based on tonnage, and not passenger capacity. And, the largest ship build in the U.K. (and therefore the largest that the specific lifeboat requirements applied to) before Lusitania was built, was around 22/23 thousand tons. Suddenly, that number would skyrocket with Lusitania being built, the first true superliner. And Titanic, part of the Olympic class, being a direct response to Lusitania, would jump another 10/15 thousand tons in size. These massive leaps in size occured over a short time period, less than ten years, so the laws that would have had a ship as stocked with lifeboats as a ship could've possibly needed, just a few short years ago, suddenly couldn't have given titanic anywhere near as much as it needed. And given that she was one of the second class of superliners ever made, there really wouldn't be any pressure in Parliament to change the laws, since there weren't enough ships of her scale to warrant changing the laws yet, until she sank.
Interesting tidbit this exact same thing happened in the 1970s except with oil tankers. They became so large their central spine would snap under flexing loads.
Also, the “watertight” compartments were far from watertight. The water came over the top of each and passed into the next one, eventually filling up all of them.
Even if a designer wanted to carry more lifeboats, he had to consider how much weight they added high on the ship. Top-heavy ships roll excessively, passengers hate them, and won't sail on them. There are always compromises
not to mention the time it would take to ready, load and lower the extra set, which takes a LOT of time, time the titanic didnt have. even if titanic had more boats, they would just end up being draged down on the ship as they wouldnt have time to ready, load and lower them.
Ship owners were confident that other ships would provide provide timely aid, as had happened in the recent past. Also, that a modern liner might sink, but would take a long time to do so
The reason that ships were not mandated to carry enough lifeboats to hold their entire complement of passengers and crew at once was because lifeboats served a slightly different purpose than they do today. They were meant to ferry passengers off of a sinking ship and onto a nearby ship, making multiple trips back and forth to get everybody on board. Since the North Atlantic route was incredibly busy, it was considered safe to assume that at least one ship would always be close enough to assist in case of an emergency. The RMS _Republic_ sinking only three years earlier, in which all of the passengers who survived the initial collision were rescued safely and ferried onto nearby ships, seemed to vindicate this line of thought. It was just a freak accident that a ship as large and well-built such as _Titanic_ suffered catastrophic damage and sank too quickly for a _Republic_-style rescue to be attempted. After the outcry and inquiry, it was soon (correctly) determined that lifeboats should in fact be required to carry a ship’s entire complement at once.
Actually, it was because the lifeboats were seen as just a way to transport people from the stricken ship to one rescuing them, not for chilling out in the middle of the ocean waiting for rescue. It was thought that another ship would be able to reach them before a ship the size of an ocean liner could sink. Plus when the other ship arrived then they could also use their boats to ferry people across.
even if titanic had enough lifeboats for everyone, nothing much would of actaully changed. just think, if they just BARELY managed to ready the last 2 collapsible boats before they were floated off the deck, then adding 16 more boats would of just ended up with most of them being draged down with the ship. to put simply, even if they had more boats, they just didnt have to time to ready, load and launch them.
Fun fact: Jack actually couldn't fit on the thing, because it would be too heavy and sink, thus causing hypothermia. There is literally a scientific study on this.
Fun fact: people never really claimed titanic to be unsinkable, the ship builders haarland and wolf said it was practically unsinkable. Edit: also it was 6 compartments that were breached not 5.
True. However, the damage in the sixth compartment was minimal, just at a coal bunker. I think that's why almost everyone think it was 5 compartments breached.
@@SomeAverageTH-camr That's correct. I'm just saying that for most, compartment 6 seemed unbreached until the coal bunker basically exploded because of the water inside it. Which led some to believe the bulkhead between compartments 5 and 6 had failed (that's not true, obviously) and that compartment 6 had no initial damage. I'm not trying to argue, just expand over what you said and why many believe it was 5 compartments breached.
Fun Fact - The Water tight compartments weren’t actually water tight. The compartments were meant to be taller but were moved down to give the 1st class passengers more room.
- it didn’t scrape the entire side, only part of it. The bulkheads weren’t watertight from above so once one compartment was filled with water it could just flow over into the next one. The walls down there were rushed and weren’t built to the top.
Comment 1 of 3 Well, the Olympic and Titanic were both designed with revolutionary technology, allowing them to both flood the forward 4 compartments, and not sink. The amount of damage a ship could take for a head on collision was unimaginable to flood anywhere near 4 compartments.
And people were so overconfident that an iceberg hit wouldn’t breach more than 4 of their compartments, but when the Titanic hit the iceberg, 6 compartments were breached.
Something people forget is how dangerous getting into a lifeboat back then was. Your talking about getting into a row boat to sit on the Atlantic Ocean with there being a good chance of it being during a storm serious enough to sink a ship. Previous experience with successful rescues were to use lifeboats for transferring passengers to respond ships once wireless became common with a successful example of this a few years before work on the Olympic class started. As a result the general view was that you didn't need enough for all aboard as lifeboats were best used to ferry to rescue ships and more work was best put in designing ships to be kept afloat as long as possible.
I’ve also heard that the life boats were designed to ferry people from the titanic to a rescue ship over the time it sunk, they weren’t meant to carry people for a long period of time.
You’re also forgetting that ships traveling during that time were frequent and it was believed that if a ship took on water, there would be another ship to come to the rescue and lifeboats were intended to ferry passengers from one ship to another. And it was true, there was a ship close by that could’ve saved the titanic, however mixed signals along with a cold weather mirage skewed things
It’s close, but one important fact, you forgot was that the waterway was kind of like a highway. You had ships passing all the time and so the lightbulbs were designed to fairy passengers to another ship. But yes, she did have extra lifeboats and required and she was built to the most modern standards , and exceeded those standards of the time.
The real main reason, was that ship builders had the idea that lifeboats would be used to ferry passengers from the sinking ship to a rescue ship, they would go back and fourth. this proved faulty after many shipwrecks where that was not possible. And after Titanic sank, ship builders were quick to add enough lifeboats for everyone.
Back in the day, lifeboats weren’t originally meant for getting the whole ship out in case of an emergency they were used for ferrying passengers from a sinking ship to a floating ship. They were meant to fairy passengers, not get everybody off.
As I understand it, newer excavations show that the reason the Titanic sank, was more because of weeklong fires under deck, weakening the hull? As not all the compartments were actually breached by the iceberg, but that the iceberg in combination with damaged, cheap sealings created the outcome.
Also, it could have stayed afloat long enough for a ship to reach them if the bulkheads went into the upper floors. But they didn't havd them reach into the 1st class areas because the doors would have looked ugly, and the 1st class passengers might have complained. So as the ship sunk the water poorer over the top of the bulkheads, filling the next compartment, then the next etc.
As has been pointed out in the comments section here, too, one reason RMS Titanic (and for that matter all ships before 1912) didn't carry enough lifeboats, was because it was assumed that there would always be enough maritime traffic to effectively rescue everyone from a sinking ship without ever having to need enough lifeboats for the total ship's capacity. Overconfident as that way of thinking is, that's what was thought at the time.
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The to me is the architect said that titanic was unsinkable. He didn't, the media did
Media being hot steaming garbage as always
A small important note, the way people viewed lifeboats back then was very different. Peopled figured there was so much Atlantic traffic that a rescue ship would be able to come fast and the lifeboats would just be used to ferry passengers. The issue was titanic sank at night and too a massive ice fields. Ships on the other side of the ice like the Frankfurt couldn’t get through and a nearby ship the Californian only wireless operator was asleep
One of Titanics wireless operators, Jack Philips, had actually told the Californian to shut up when the Californian was warning them about ice. The Californian was also stuck in an Icefield, so they couldn’t have really done anything
@@MDEMCosmoViolinif the California would have heard I’m sure they would have tried to help.
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They had the wrong color flares so instead of thinking they were in distress, ships in other lanes thought they were just celebrating something or just having fun, it was all a setup to kill all the powerful wealthy people opposed to the federal reserve act of 1919 such as John Jacob Astor and many more men, which is also why there weren't enough lifeboats, and this short is absolute garbage, especially for even daring to use propaganda movie scenes as fact is that nobody called it unsinkable because any boat can sink and everybody knows it.
@@dsprocks What an insane and completely unsubstantiated conspiracy theory.
If that was a case then why did rich people get lifeboats first meaning they were far more likely to get on ones while the poors were screwed. Good thing the iceberg cooperated as a secret military asset to ram the boat.
The 16 life boat rule wasn’t random, it was because that was the law for 10k ton+ ships. Ships had gotten so much bigger so fast, that there weren’t laws for ships as big as titanic yet. The problem is, titanic wasn’t 10k tons. She was 46k tons. Even though there may not have been enough lifeboats, the watertight compartment system was revolutionary at the time and made her the safest ship on the ocean.
The water tight compartment system was indeed revolutionary, in second century AD China when they were invented. Just about every other boat, let alone massive ocean liners like Titanic, had them
Funfact, no one ever said that titanic was outright unsinkable. Harland & Wolff (the shipyard that built the ship) stated they made her as unsinkable as they could.
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As unsinkable as she can get* common spelling mistake 😅
Wasn’t that a story that was made up by the public and the media? About it being unsinkable
@@billybgonzalez Yeah, only after the titanic sank the media claimed that White Star Line said it was unsinkable.
@@dewott9958 the media as fucked up back then as it is today. Some things truly never change.
Also to note, at that time lifeboats were only there to ferry people from a disabled ship to a rescue vessel, not to keep people afloat as the boat sank
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And he got the compartments wrong, only at the bow it can hold 4, anywhere else is 2 compartments
@@plantcitycouponing not necessarily, the aft four could flood as well, and there are some scenarios where three compartments could be flooded and titanic would survive
Well no, the Olympic in the collision with the battleship (I forgot) almost sunk since it's 2 aft compartments were broken into.
I live in Northern Ireland. We had to do so much research on this topic when we were 11. They started with 64 lifeboats, wanted more space so they cut it down to 32 and then wanted even more space and cut down to 16. I think the rule was that there had to be enough lifeboats to save at least half the people on board.
The Titanic was originally supposed to have (I'm pretty sure) 32 lifeboats. Mr. Andrews (the designer of the RMS Titanic) had originally wanted to equip it with this many so it could fit every passenger. However, J. Bruce Ismay, the chairman of the White Star Line, said to remove many of the lifeboats because "it made the deck to cluttered." And, with the law that every boat must have enough lifeboats to accout for all passengers not in place yet, they were allowed to remove them. Also, Mr. Ismay (Who wanted fewer lifeboats) got on one, and Mr. Andrews (who wanted more) did not.
Bravo
Everything you said is wrong titanic originally had 16
@@Someguy4007 reread what he said before yaaping
"Not even God can sink it"
God:
God: *i'm Botta end this man's whole career*
God : L bozo + get better
No one said that
@@Someguy4007 they did
@@DeletedDevilDeletedAngel Other than the unconfirmed possibility that some random ass passenger may have said that, certainly no officer said that. The captain never said that, the architect never said that, none of the engineers said that. No one important said that.
I love how Rose promise Jack that she will never let go but then a lifeboat come and Rose let go.
Edit: to those Idiots that can't understand what I said, In the start of the video he said "not that lie" which is when rose said I'll never let go.
she meant she'll never let go of her promise
@@goldenfirster k
@@MothyRey She already noticed the lifeboat coming, that's why she let go of Jack to tried to save herself and her promise to him.
Rose promised to never let go of the promise.
She promised to never let go of survival, she promised to never let go of her promise to survive for Jack, to die an old lady, warm in her bed, to never forget him, to have lots of babies, and to live her life, but always remembering him, and always having him with her, in her heart.
For all the people saying how she said "Ill never let go" and then she actually let go his hand , well Jack knew that Rose would give up her life if he died so he made Rose promise that she would LIVE , not die like this in pain and misery , she would live a long life and die an old lady comfortable in her warm bed and "I'll never let go" meant that she would never break the promise or give up on it , Not because she would never let go his hand , She turned the life boat's attention to her so she could be rescued and live and meet him once she died peacefully. ❤
So having never seen it the gist is. She would die if she kept holding his hand. So he pushed her to let go to save her. And she said she would never let go. Referring to the promise. (Which I'm assuming is like always love each other or promise to see each other again. Something like that.)
Also if I am understanding it right. Did the script writer ever say why they worded it like that. It seems a bit confusing. Unnecessarily so.
A few understand jack and fewer rose.
Jack was just a figment, anyways.
When rose says She’ll never let go,she means of the promise.Not of him.
Everyone could’ve lived if they hit it head on bruh 💀
Okay, but your sailing a billion dollar ocean liner and you see a iceburg, would you rather hit it head on or try to avoid the iceburg?
@@ace74909 yes, but you must see that they had around 30 ~ 40 seconds to react, and with this new ship about to make New York headlines, and potentially take the Blue Ribbon. Would you smash its head-on and with the still likely possibility of it still sinking ruin the company's reputation and anger the owner of the ship (Yes, he was on the ship when it sank.) or try to avoid the iceberg, and make it to New York?
@@ace74909 yeah this is an incredibly immature outlook. Hindsight is 20/20 my friend.
Hitting it head on is even worse since crew cabins are at the bow and people were in those cabins crushing them in a straight on collision
No. The Titanic weighed 52,000 tons, and was moving at 23 knots. That kind of object hitting an iceberg and coming to a sudden stop would be devastating. Compressive failures along the ships length, a large scale buckling of the ships frame. It would've been disastrous. Titanic would've sank significantly quicker than it actually did.
It's not that they didn't put enough lifeboats on board because they saw the ship as "unsinkable". In fact, it was never said to be unsinkable until after it sank ironically enough. Back then, lifeboats just weren't seen as a means to evacuate people from a ship, but rather to transfer people from one ship to another.
It actually was referred to as unsinkable because of a quote that One of the builders had said saying they had made it as unsinkable as they could And the media I just kind of ran with it.What's interesting Is I wasn't really used.Ironically , until afterwards , the documents that we have which mind you , most people didn't keep copying Of newspapers for very long periods , so the articles that we have are From after the event because it was a dramatic event, kind of lake.Think the Other disasters that have happened at 3 19 50 or even pre archives
Additional fact:
At first, Titanic was planned to have 50 lifeboats. But it was then reduced to 32 to make more room for the passenges to stroll the top deck. It was then reduced even further to 16 lifeboats, plus 4 "emergency" lifeboats.
Final fact:
Despite the low number of lifeboats, they were very expertly designed. Each boat was able to hold about 30 - 50 passengers each (without additional luggage). Unfortunately, the crew were not aware of the durability of the lifeboats, and each lifeboat had about an average of 15 passengers.
"I'll never let go..." *Lets go*
“No, not that lie”
Damn, that’s cold. I ain’t even seen the movie and know it’s cold.
Pun intented?
I *sea* what you did there 🌊
"It's just the tip of the Iceberg"
Thats what she said😅
Not a lie: She meant she will never let go of her promise not his hand! She promised him she would live! So she let go of his HAND and got the lifeboats attention and saved herself and her promise! ❤
Not as cold as jacks rotting body
Lifeboats we’re viewed as boats to ferry passengers from the sinking ship to a rescue ship. They weren’t really thought of as a means to evacuate an entire ships population until after the titanic sank.
this, all the misinformation about it, drives me insane whenever I see stories about the titanic, these lifeboats were not ocean going vessels!
1909, the RMS Republic is hit by another ship and begins to slowly sink. Since the ship takes 9 hours to sink, a boat comes to the rescue and (almost) all of Republic's passengers and crew are ferried to the rescue ship using the lifeboats. This is what they anticipated what would happen in the case of a serious accident. Unfortunately, the route wasn't busy enough on the night of April 14th 1912 for a ship to come to Titanic's rescue in time.
@@quantuman100yea,this and phew other coments were right,as another Titanic enthuziast I hate lies
@@TheMrKite ahem ahem.. the californian..?
@@JoseNovaUltra Californian couldn't see the titanic, her wireless operator had gone to sleep and she had her own problems. She could not get there.
One of the other problems with putting enough lifeboats on board was that the ship could be too top heavy and capsize, this actually happened to another ship before the titanic and it capsized because of too many lifeboats.
"The captain of the Titanic said not even god could sink this ship and God really said yes I can
I thought that was Cal?
God really said "You challenge me bro?"
Edward Smith said that he could not imagine anything sinking „this“ ship in 1907, when the Titanic wasn’t even thought of regarding another ship he commanded which didn’t sink. The unsinkable story was a public opinion and never actually officially marketed as unsinkable by the White Star Line.
with something that has already been there for however long 💀💀
@@altacalifornia2580 no the captain and pretty much everyone involved with it actually said that, in real life, not the movie.
So what I'm hearing is that if the crew just did nothing... and she hit the iceberg head on... she could have survived... yes?
I remember seeing a documentary about the Titantic and yes if it hit it head on it would have been OK, but I think they tried to turn but went too fast and scrapped the whole side of the ship
Yes. A few people would've died from the crash. But it never would have turned into a maritime catastrophe
@@Cyanide_and_Loneliness we’re not talking a few we’re talking hundreds since stokers we’re at the bow and crew members we’re sleeping in there cabins which was at the bow plus in a head on collision more damage would’ve happened flooding more compartments
It probably would have survived. No guarantee, but their best chance
@@Someguy4007No way would there be more damage. Instead of making up stuff in your imagination, try reading people who understand ships and physics.
I love how in the animation everyone runs toward the water 😂 pretty accurate
I think what Rose meant was she will never let go of Jack in her memories
Another reason they didn’t add more lifeboats is because they thought the deck would be to cluttered but I’m sure people would rather their lives. Rest in peace for all that lost there lives
Exactly. 🪦
their*
@@NOT_A_ROBOT 🤓
Thats a myth made up by the movie the number of life boats a ship was required to have was its weight not capacity and the life boats were designed to ferry people to another ship the problem was the Californian didnt show up to the rescue and the carpathia was hours away and arrivied after the titanic sank
The issue was a lot bigger than just the amount of life boats. Due to confusion and a stupid rule of who could go on boats they were lowered half empty saving way less than was possible. Also a lot of people were lost on the lower decks and would never have made it to a life boat regardless of how many were available. What was needed was proper care to make sure they were full before lowering and every person that was capable of getting to a life boat could probably have been saved
"Not that lie" 💀
Which Incredibly ironic almost 40 years later; ships in the second world war were getting hammered into oblivion and staying afloat. Shells that could literally flatten buildings; bombardments below the water line, ammunition fires, fuel leaks, anything and everything, even scuttling charges, and ships stayed afloat for days sometimes.
The Titanic hit one iceberg and dropped like a rock; USS Hornet was bombed into oblivion and didn't sink until the Japanese found her the next day and torpedoed her till she sank. Lifeboats or not; the engineering difference was massive.
Thank you for pointing this out also you have to remember there was a problem with the iron that they made the Titanic with. Another problem she had a coal fire that made the iron brittle the coal fire was where she got hit. A lot of times they could seal these especially a breach like that. They tried to get the burning coal out of the the area but what are you going to do with burning coal? They were able to make them watertight if they could have gotten to that fifth compartment and sealed. Unfortunately they could not empty that bunker. They have been working on trying to get it to stopped to get the fire stopped but the damage to the outside wall had already been done.
What's ironic? 40 years is almost half a decade, believe it or not, things change and evolve, craftsmanship gets better. Crazy thought right? Titanic wasn't a warship (might've been a military passenger ship had she not sank, but that's not important) and hypothetically if a modern carnival like or something was hit with artillery, I bet that ship might sink in under an hour. Your argument makes no sense. And she did not "drop like a rock" went down very slow and steady. There wasn't enough life boats and honestly nobody had to die. It was sheer arrogance, and once the crew was faced with that reality, all they cared about was protecting the rich and famous.
@@owenconenna7532 I would like to point out that you forgot about the sinking of the MODERN cruise ship Costa Concordia, rolled over and sank in 30 minutes of hitting a rock. A near literal repeat of the Titanic in modern times.
A modern ship; built to withstand compartment flooding on the same scale and principal as Titanic...
Sure the technology changed; but the only valid point you are proving to me is that projects belonging to the rich and famous do not work.
Costa Concordia is a modern cruise liner: not a warship, hit one rock, rolled over and sank on the shores of an island and is regarded as one of the worst cruise ship disasters since the Titanic. A modern cruise ship built using modern materials and "improved technologies"
A warship from WW2 being built in facilities that made the same types of steels; metals and production types of ships in WW1, built ships that withstood WW2, the only difference was changes in the types of welding, armor used and compartments.
You cannot tell me technology improves when a ship like Costa Concordia; a ship worth 1 billion dollars, crashes and sinks on a rock...
When a ship like the USS Hornet, made with only slight differences in craft and quality of WW2, gets hit by multiple strikes, fires, hull breaches and even a below the water line strike, stays afloat for a day and finally sinks to a torpedo strike.
The only point here that I see is correct; is that projects of the rich and famous are garbage and people who use money should not be in charge of ship making, because it's not a quality issue, it's who has the money and who's doing the building that is the issue.
You're comparing warships, which simply have to sink other ships, to an ocean liner that has to turn a profit and isn't expected to be repeatedly hit by shells and torpedoes.
@@foxymetroid 733 merchant ships were sunk during the second World War; most of them were unarmed vessels without escorts or protection
During multiple battles throughout various parts of the Atlantic and the Pacific; civilian cruise liners were being used as transport ships by the military to carry troops and personnel between battlefields and other locations
During the opening hours of Dunkirk there were cruise ships being used to try to get soldiers off the beaches as the Germans were attacking
There were also vessels that were involved in the White Star line that were used during the wars that were both hit by torpedoes and mines
Do not tell me that I am comparing warships to civilian vessels when throughout the wars civilian vessels were being hit just as frequently
That's not even counting civilian ships being turned into warships by the United States who were desperate and short on vessels
It wouldn’t have mattered if there were more lifeboats, the crew didn’t have enough time to launch the last two boats anyway, both were getting hooked up to the davits when the ship plunged.
A big reason why there weren’t enough was that lifeboats back then we’re seen as transportation from one ship to another rather than a long term raft. Great video would recommend
The reason for this is that indeed, a large ship like Titanic is generally much more survivable in nearly all cases than the much smaller lifeboats. The point of lifeboats wasn't to save everyone on the ship. It was to allow survivors to be able to get help when the large ship beaches near land while most people stayed on the ship. Until then, it was very rare for a ship to end up in a situation where it would sink while the lifeboats would be fine.
That’s not true. The lifeboats are to ferry passengers to a rescue boat. It has nothing to do with grounding.
@@AnarexicSumo that seems reasonable enough, I'm sure it was used for that purpose too. Point being, the lifeboats were not meant to be long-term survival crafts for the passengers
@@NitroniumGamingUnfortunately, it took the Titanic disaster to rectify that.
True. You are correct. Lifeboats were used to transport passengers, they weren’t designed to be a survival method for days.
Mother Nature really said “That’s cute! Take her down!” 💅🏻 🌊
I heard that someone recommended more lifeboats but they thought the ship would be too ugly with them
Another reason they didn’t add more lifeboats was because life boats back then were not seen as a boat that can support passengers for a long period of time, but rather a means of ferrying passengers from one ship to another in case of emergency.
Actually the Titanic was meant to be "Unsinkable" cause it has sealed doors, the 4 flooded compartments breached, so on that very day on April 14th, 1912, it sank
The term Unsinkable of Titanic popular way after the ship is sank
@@siriuspsy5972 that IS true
No, it was meant to be as safe as possible, that's all. No ship is unsinkable, and they knew it perfectly well. Compartmentalization and watertight doors weren't new, and weren't perfect. That's how Ismay knew they were done for as soon as a fifth compartment flooded
@@robertmoffett3486 facts
how to say a lot without saying anything:
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His red microphone made his shirt look like the Japanese flag
Another reason why titanic didn't have enough life boats was because life boats where not a means of evacuating a ship it was a means of ferrying passengers from a ship in distress to a ship that is not in any immediate danger and to how the Transatlantic passage was so busy it was always assumed that a ship would be close enough to help a ship in distress there was a ship close to help titanic but her wireless operator was sleeping while titanic was sending out distress calls
Also, the Californian DID see the distress signals, but the captain said it was for another ship. They shouldve woken up the radio guy and asked if everything was okay, or titanic shouldve sent the rockets every 1 minute, unlike how they did it every 5.
Yes, so the idea was that even if 4 compartments were fully flooded the ship could stay afloat. But it was actually 5, and with the water dragging the front of the ship down the angle of the ship allowed water to spill into other compartments. This happened because the compartment's water tight walls weren't high enough, and above those compartments they did not have roofs. Titanic's sinking was mostly out of bad luck, the ship's throttle was set to stop and the wheel in the helm wasn't able to turn fast enough which allowed her to be hit. The ship would have actually managed to miss it but under the water the iceberg had a 'bump' which made it bigger underneath the water and allowed for the ship to be sliced.
It was thought if the titanic could not have been saved, it would sink slow enough that nearby ships could aid the passengers from the sinking ship, and actually the nearest ship was only 10 miles away. It was thought that the ship would act as a lifeboat and the actual lifeboats would act like ferry's transporting passengers from the titanic to another ship. But that didn't happen. It took the titanic 2 hours to sink. A mistake by the crew was that they were travelling to fast in a known ice patch that they were aware of, and if the person at the helm had decided to stop the engines and literally ram the iceberg head-on she could have survived, although there would be lot's of dead.
I don’t think anyone in their right mind would decide to ram a 46,328 tons ship going at 20.5 knots straight into a iceberg
@@cattanic494 i certainly would
@@harrisonbailey5449it'll make for a good story Xd
@@cattanic494i know there's no icebreaker in that time but I think they would going to make "early access icebreaker ever exist" if they did
@@likeablekiwi6265 if the person who was at the helm decided to ram the iceberg, the titanic would certainly not sink but they would have suffered serve consequences for their actions, it would make a good story just not for him
The bulkheads: why are we so short why?
It was no different from any other ship designed back then. No ship had ever been designed with bulkheads that reached the strength deck (highest continuous deck) and even modern ships with such bulkhead designs still sink, so it really isn't a huge difference ultimately.
@@pc_buildyb0i935 the bulkheads: thanks for the information
The thinking back then was that lifeboats were just for ferrying folks to and from rescue boats in an emergency. So having enough for everyone at once wasn’t thought to be necessary.
The architect did a little trolling
Every time I hear this story, it hurts 😭
“Jack. I’ll never let go.”
4 seconds later
*lets go*
one thing I hate about almost all titanic films/ anything really, is when 1st officer Murdoch puts the ship into full reverse then manages to turn the ship. the middle propeller (which is the one that the rudder uses to steer, by turning its propulsion) could revers meaning it could not turn in reverse.
So the law at the time was that lifeboats were determined by how big your ship was. This is determined by the ship's volume in Gross Tons (which is not a weight, a gross ton is volume and is roughly 100 cubic feet). If your ship was 10,000 gross tons or more, you needed at least 16 lifeboats. The time the law was put in place 10,000 tons was about as big as ships got. However it had not been updated for over a decade, so ships got a lot bigger. Titanic was 46,000 gross tons, which is a world of difference. Legally, being over 10,000 gross tons, it only needs 16 lifeboats. 4 more 'collapsible' style lifeboats were included in the design bringing it up to 20.
The idea with lifeboats at the time, was that all they needed to do was to ferry passengers from a ship that was sinking to one that had come to rescue them. Radio would call other ships to the rescue. Your ship just needed to hold on long enough for a rescue ship to arrive. This wasn't a far fetched idea as it had happened before, the RMS Republic, for example, ran into another ship in thick fog, and had used the radio to call for another ship, the Baltic, only 6 people died, as the vast majority of passengers and crew were transferred to Baltic. When Titanic hit an iceberg, the vessel was isolated by itself. The closest ship online was the Carpathia, which was 3.5 hours away. Titanic could only hold on for 2 hours and 40 minutes total, so a seat in a lifeboat was what determined if you lived or died that night. After this the law changed so that lifeboat numbers were determined by ship capacity, not size.
Thank you! Someone that actually did their research and didn't rely on a piece of fiction for their "facts."
So they had more lifeboats than legally required?
@@dustux yup
It didn’t make long gashes, it poked small holes that equaled the size of a person.
Bruh that IS like a big gash
@@YourlocalNeighborhoodKidcompared to an ocean liner it’s really not
Ah yes "small holes"
BRO I LITERALLY JUST HAD A TITANIC SHORT RIGHT ABOVE THIS WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
"No, not that lie"
Another Issue, The Compartments only had a watertight separator wall, so the water could spill over, due to no watertight roofing.
Apparently James Cameron paid for a reconstruction to prove that only one of them could have fit on the door after so many people questioning it.
And it failed cause the people he was doing the experiment with actually found a way to keep both of their cores out of the water at the same time on the same door and both survive LOL
The dang thing isn't even a door its an archway.
Also the top of the compartments were not sealed properly so when one filled up it over flowed into the rest
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I learned a few years ago that lifeboats were meant as ferries; nobody figured on Titanic sinking so fast or so far from help that there would be no time to load a boat, send it to the other ship, unload it, and send it back
As a titanic nerd, I have a lot to say about this
Amount of lifeboats wouldnt change much though, last lifeboat was launched practically last minute
I like to think there's an alternate history where they had a head-on collision and forth apartments is flooded and they actually all survived.
Actually, only 2 or 3 compartments would’ve been breached if they hit the iceberg head-on.
The reason is that life boats weren't meant to evacuate all passengers at once.
The routes these ships sailed were so busy that it was thought that there would always be another ship close enough that the life boats could be used to transfere passengers between the ships.
There was another ship very close by(can't remember it's name) but its transmitter guy had gone to bed and no one else was watching for emergencies. And yes the Titanic is also why all ships must always have the emergency transmitters turned on and attended
@@Cyanide_and_Loneliness you're right! Its name was the SS Californian
@@lordlawris5985 Though SS Californian was probably only visible due to the atmospheric conditions and was likely about 25 miles away and still wouldn't have reached titanic in time had it been alerted.
@@TLO129 it wouldn't have reached the ship in time to rescue the passengers before they were in the water But it almost certainly would have reached them before they you know fuckin drowned
@@GodbornNoven Passengers died of hypothermia in 28 degree Fahrenheit water. They would lose consciousness in about 15 minutes of being in that water, dying shortly after. They did not drown. Californian wouldn't have been able to save any additional lives.
The real reason is because back in the 1900s, there was a law where the amount of lifeboats were based off of gross tonnage. (as i remember) After the Titanic sinking, the British Inquiry changed the amount of lifeboats depending on how many passengers.
That is so cool! Keep The Work Up!
The real reason she didn’t have enough boats is bc back then they thought that a ship would be close enough and the lifeboats would just be used to ferry the passengers from the stricken liner to the safe liner ex: the sinking of the RMS Republic
The biggest problem with the number of Titanic's lifeboats, was strangely, likely Lusitania. The lifeboat requirements were based on tonnage, and not passenger capacity. And, the largest ship build in the U.K. (and therefore the largest that the specific lifeboat requirements applied to) before Lusitania was built, was around 22/23 thousand tons. Suddenly, that number would skyrocket with Lusitania being built, the first true superliner. And Titanic, part of the Olympic class, being a direct response to Lusitania, would jump another 10/15 thousand tons in size. These massive leaps in size occured over a short time period, less than ten years, so the laws that would have had a ship as stocked with lifeboats as a ship could've possibly needed, just a few short years ago, suddenly couldn't have given titanic anywhere near as much as it needed. And given that she was one of the second class of superliners ever made, there really wouldn't be any pressure in Parliament to change the laws, since there weren't enough ships of her scale to warrant changing the laws yet, until she sank.
Interesting tidbit this exact same thing happened in the 1970s except with oil tankers. They became so large their central spine would snap under flexing loads.
Also, the “watertight” compartments were far from watertight. The water came over the top of each and passed into the next one, eventually filling up all of them.
those were bulkeahds, not watertight compartments.
The metal used is super strong, only weakness is ice😊
Even if a designer wanted to carry more lifeboats, he had to consider how much weight they added high on the ship. Top-heavy ships roll excessively, passengers hate them, and won't sail on them. There are always compromises
not to mention the time it would take to ready, load and lower the extra set, which takes a LOT of time, time the titanic didnt have.
even if titanic had more boats, they would just end up being draged down on the ship as they wouldnt have time to ready, load and lower them.
Ship owners were confident that other ships would provide provide timely aid, as had happened in the recent past. Also, that a modern liner might sink, but would take a long time to do so
We have to make Titanic UNSINKABLE II
The reason that ships were not mandated to carry enough lifeboats to hold their entire complement of passengers and crew at once was because lifeboats served a slightly different purpose than they do today. They were meant to ferry passengers off of a sinking ship and onto a nearby ship, making multiple trips back and forth to get everybody on board. Since the North Atlantic route was incredibly busy, it was considered safe to assume that at least one ship would always be close enough to assist in case of an emergency. The RMS _Republic_ sinking only three years earlier, in which all of the passengers who survived the initial collision were rescued safely and ferried onto nearby ships, seemed to vindicate this line of thought. It was just a freak accident that a ship as large and well-built such as _Titanic_ suffered catastrophic damage and sank too quickly for a _Republic_-style rescue to be attempted. After the outcry and inquiry, it was soon (correctly) determined that lifeboats should in fact be required to carry a ship’s entire complement at once.
Actually, it was because the lifeboats were seen as just a way to transport people from the stricken ship to one rescuing them, not for chilling out in the middle of the ocean waiting for rescue.
It was thought that another ship would be able to reach them before a ship the size of an ocean liner could sink.
Plus when the other ship arrived then they could also use their boats to ferry people across.
I thought the compartment walls didn't go to the ceiling.
Yes, because they weren't necessary. It's all just bad luck.
even if titanic had enough lifeboats for everyone, nothing much would of actaully changed.
just think, if they just BARELY managed to ready the last 2 collapsible boats before they were floated off the deck, then adding 16 more boats would of just ended up with most of them being draged down with the ship.
to put simply, even if they had more boats, they just didnt have to time to ready, load and launch them.
At least a few dozen people were still able to use those 2 collapsible lifeboats to survive.
you see, Titanic sunk because they didnt have the super high level gaming chairs
Good Ending : Fredrick Fleet and the other guy didn't see shit
Fun fact: Jack actually couldn't fit on the thing, because it would be too heavy and sink, thus causing hypothermia. There is literally a scientific study on this.
Double fun fact, Mythbuster busted it ages ago :v
Its funny how metal can be destroyed by frozen water
You can also die by Gassy Water.
i always get a short from dylan AND Henry.
Common 1896 W
It was 1911/1912
Fun fact: people never really claimed titanic to be unsinkable, the ship builders haarland and wolf said it was practically unsinkable.
Edit: also it was 6 compartments that were breached not 5.
True. However, the damage in the sixth compartment was minimal, just at a coal bunker. I think that's why almost everyone think it was 5 compartments breached.
@@carlosadriantinajerovelazc4338 yes but the coal bunker in compartment 6 started flooding and eventually started to flood the the 6th compartment
@@SomeAverageTH-camr That's correct. I'm just saying that for most, compartment 6 seemed unbreached until the coal bunker basically exploded because of the water inside it. Which led some to believe the bulkhead between compartments 5 and 6 had failed (that's not true, obviously) and that compartment 6 had no initial damage. I'm not trying to argue, just expand over what you said and why many believe it was 5 compartments breached.
It was 7
@@Someguy4007Where the hell did you get 7?
Also Titanic sank way slower than most ships sink and there is normaly no time to get all passengers on all lifeboats.
Fun Fact - The Water tight compartments weren’t actually water tight. The compartments were meant to be taller but were moved down to give the 1st class passengers more room.
Engineer:I over designed it to survive heck I even put more life boats than the requirment
Still sinks
Engineer: Blasted!!!!!
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- it didn’t scrape the entire side, only part of it. The bulkheads weren’t watertight from above so once one compartment was filled with water it could just flow over into the next one. The walls down there were rushed and weren’t built to the top.
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Well, the Olympic and Titanic were both designed with revolutionary technology, allowing them to both flood the forward 4 compartments, and not sink. The amount of damage a ship could take for a head on collision was unimaginable to flood anywhere near 4 compartments.
And people were so overconfident that an iceberg hit wouldn’t breach more than 4 of their compartments, but when the Titanic hit the iceberg, 6 compartments were breached.
Something people forget is how dangerous getting into a lifeboat back then was. Your talking about getting into a row boat to sit on the Atlantic Ocean with there being a good chance of it being during a storm serious enough to sink a ship.
Previous experience with successful rescues were to use lifeboats for transferring passengers to respond ships once wireless became common with a successful example of this a few years before work on the Olympic class started.
As a result the general view was that you didn't need enough for all aboard as lifeboats were best used to ferry to rescue ships and more work was best put in designing ships to be kept afloat as long as possible.
I’ve also heard that the life boats were designed to ferry people from the titanic to a rescue ship over the time it sunk, they weren’t meant to carry people for a long period of time.
Titanic: i can stay afloat even with 4 compartment breached
Le iceberg: IMMA BREACH 5 THO
Ismay: But this ship can’t sink.
Andrews: She’s made of iron, sir. I assure you she can, and she will.
I liked the part where he actually explained why titanic didn't have enough lifeboats
You’re also forgetting that ships traveling during that time were frequent and it was believed that if a ship took on water, there would be another ship to come to the rescue and lifeboats were intended to ferry passengers from one ship to another. And it was true, there was a ship close by that could’ve saved the titanic, however mixed signals along with a cold weather mirage skewed things
It’s close, but one important fact, you forgot was that the waterway was kind of like a highway. You had ships passing all the time and so the lightbulbs were designed to fairy passengers to another ship. But yes, she did have extra lifeboats and required and she was built to the most modern standards , and exceeded those standards of the time.
The real main reason, was that ship builders had the idea that lifeboats would be used to ferry passengers from the sinking ship to a rescue ship, they would go back and fourth. this proved faulty after many shipwrecks where that was not possible. And after Titanic sank, ship builders were quick to add enough lifeboats for everyone.
Back in the day, lifeboats weren’t originally meant for getting the whole ship out in case of an emergency they were used for ferrying passengers from a sinking ship to a floating ship. They were meant to fairy passengers, not get everybody off.
As I understand it, newer excavations show that the reason the Titanic sank, was more because of weeklong fires under deck, weakening the hull? As not all the compartments were actually breached by the iceberg, but that the iceberg in combination with damaged, cheap sealings created the outcome.
Also, it could have stayed afloat long enough for a ship to reach them if the bulkheads went into the upper floors. But they didn't havd them reach into the 1st class areas because the doors would have looked ugly, and the 1st class passengers might have complained. So as the ship sunk the water poorer over the top of the bulkheads, filling the next compartment, then the next etc.
As has been pointed out in the comments section here, too, one reason RMS Titanic (and for that matter all ships before 1912) didn't carry enough lifeboats, was because it was assumed that there would always be enough maritime traffic to effectively rescue everyone from a sinking ship without ever having to need enough lifeboats for the total ship's capacity. Overconfident as that way of thinking is, that's what was thought at the time.
"jaaakk ill never let go" lol
Pop reminds me of the arbitrary number used for social distacning.. It had no specific reason it just was