Hi Pete, just gotta say your vids on the new logic updates are invaluable to me, cheers. Quick question and probably a silly one but can you change the octave on the keyboard session player?
Thanks Kevin. Sort of! You can adjust the hands to push them playing lower or higher. Or you can also convert the session region to MIDI and then use transpose from there.
As always Pete, I come to you for the pre-digestion of complex capabilities in music technology, and increasingly that leans on clever software. This, is not ‘original music creation’ but then neither is someone belting out ‘She loves you’, copying The Beatles bar for bar! On the other hand, you’d be able to claim while doing that cover of The Beatles, that you are in fact a musician, having practised the parts and played them on an actual instrument. The only thing I really wanted, was what Apple created a couple of years ago, a parametric-controllable drummer system. That’s what GarageBand’s ‘drummer’ really is, you adjust high-level controls ie ‘parameters’, and the system selects a different set of set-pieces, or reduces the hits on one drum compared to another - truly, it could have been called ‘Parametric drummer’. For me, drumming is a bit of a dark art, it’s not really a tuned instrument a lot of the time, but the rhythms and counterpoint of using different components of the drumkits to execute a particular part of the rhythm, I find that special, and am glad for the assist. Whether or not, making rampant use of this new Logic Pro toolset (be it truly ‘AI’ or merely a very clever interactive suite of parametric ‘session players’), makes you a ‘musician’ as we have understood it, is a moot point. After all, if your 8-year-old child came to you, with a lovely piece they’d produced using Logic Pro’s session players, I think you are likely to applaud them and sit back and listen. You might then probe, how much they understood of what’s going on…but that doesn’t lessen the feat they’ve managed. Even skin-deep, if they grasped enough to make Logic bang out a tune, we’d be impressed. Now whether we call that a ‘technical’ feat or a musical one, is more arguable. But, I can see a shed-load of Netflix stuff, deriving the musical accompaniment from the likes of this exciting new aspect of Logic Pro and others to follow. Will I use it? Probably not. But I happily jumped on GB’s drummers as soon as I knew they’d arrived, I was made-up. That has transformed what I can do, even if I might replace half of the beats later, the initial leg-up is a monumental help musically. And it’s not cheating, because any band would have a person there, doing this for you anyway. And if not using it, means a more boring, less-varied drum track/percussive accompaniment, why wouldn’t we use GB or Logic’s drummer? AI is definitely a threat to music, in some way on some level. It’s grabbing hundreds of years of human effort, and codifying it into a compact and controllable selection-set. A menu from which, even the musically rudimentary, can make something that sounds ‘professional’ albeit not lovely or touching necessarily. I’m going to sides-step all that, by just saying it’s not going to change how I make music very much. And if you don;t want it to change how you make music it won’t either. I can see why every youtuber is going to have a segment, a train of video episodes, on this whole business. Still won’t change the stories I want to express in music, or the way I think. But then, I’ve had 61 years of listening to music. Somewhere, deep inside, that stuff rattles around in the basement of my memory. As I put a track together, something’s going to be raiding that ‘juke-box’ of bits and pieces, and I am not consciously able to stop it. I have no conclusion to draw, only the observation this sort of thing is inevitable, and at the same time as exciting, might also be ‘so what’. Yes, it’s extraordinary, but it’s unlikely to make its own ‘That’s just the way it is’, without raiding monstrous amounts of human experience and effort. My music ‘aggregator’ already blocks Apple loops - you’re told specifically not to use these in your work, and try to make a resulting musical piece be your own by registering it on Capitol Hill (other repositories are available!). This has yet to shake out, I’m probably going to ignore it for a while, not because it’s not useful, just because I haven’t run out of original music ideas yet. But if you were somebody making a living from work that involved needing oodles of musical wallpaper, or just wanted to churn out a hit song, so are trying hard to copy a hit song, without it being the SAME song (!), then this’ll be very interesting. Sure, this can ‘beat me’ musically, but only in the same way as a thesaurus can ‘think’ of more words that mean the same thing - it’s hardly a level playing-field. Take care all, just do you, and thanks Pete for the insights, it’s a cool new frontier.
Yup! Some very valid points. I think you’d enjoy the podcast I did with Patrick Baird today - th-cam.com/video/LJbQv_WTrvk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qcwdY97G3UWeyEZ0
Hi Pete - getting more and more tempted to switch to LogicPro from GarageBand. As a non-musician I have really enjoyed my short GB journey, guided by yourself as it has opened up a way of putting my lyrics to music I didn't previously have. However I'm starting to think I now need to invest some learning time into LP, mainly because of the session players. I have one question - is there a way to automate other instruments in LP in the manner of GB's autoplay feature? If there is I'm in! Many thanks. Jez
Hey Jez. So, Autoplay is still GarageBand only. But because the keyboard player can use ANY instrument, you can pretty much use the new session keys as an Autoplay for things like strings, organs, synths etc.
Pete my question is off topic, in a nut shell, can you suggest any app, program whatever where musicians can jam live over the internet, where distance is a barrior ?
So... there have been a few of these that say they offer "low latency" for live jamming. I haven't actually found one that works effectively. Maybe ask over at the Create Record Release Facebook group at createrecordreleaae.com, or the Discord group here - studiolivetoday.com/discord.
Do not be deceived! Logic pro 2 for iPad is made for M1 iPad and up! If you have anything less try and open all three session musicians at one time and see what happens! Mine says I don't have enough RAM to run the program on iPad 9th gen. So us non- M1 iPad people are left with GarageBand. Yay!
Apple have stated that M1 is "recommended" for Session Players. Reading between the lines this means if you want multiple session player tracks or want to use complicated patterns and effects, you'll likely see some slow downs on older iPads.
Lmao….my advice to those who want to be a musician..learn how to play a real instrument..not a fan of all this new AI crap…and I laugh at it all..because let’s say you write a song using this crap…you can never play it live..because you never actually played it…besides throwing originality out the window..your not learning anything thus your creative flow isn’t growing…I’m disappointed with this new direction in humanity..and Logic Pro..I’d rather see newer instruments added and or the instruments they have upgraded and or even different ways to use them in actual playing..my opinion..how can you feel good about yourself and your own progress in creativity if you’re not really writing anything..I get the drums..but the instruments..well …lmao…cheers tho mate…
It won’t be for everyone. That’s why freedom of choice is so important. If you’re making something cool that can connect with other people, use what works for you.
AI is interesting for sure. However, no matter how advanced this becomes, I believe it will never replace the Human touch. Last night I practiced my piano. I have a PC, I have a Daw, and I have many Vst instruments plus an ipad with Logic Pro. All this stuff is fantastic for ideas and recording. But last night it was just me and my piano, and the simplicity and what I got out of it was awesome (in my humble opinion). 😁
Pete does know how to play, and he’s using Logic Pro. All you do is compose something on LP, then at some time, swap out the LP instrument for your own. This can easily be used by real musicians for composing. Non musicians probably have a learning curve for this as much as real instruments. I’ve swapped out the bass for my own bass before. Same with my guitar, my own keyboard, but seldom on my own drum kit. The drummer is a great metronome, and sounds fairly well. That said, the sounds are too mechanical, robotic, and midi for stage use. It’s not a good replacement for real musicians, but it’s not supposed to be. It’s kinda a toy, like etch-a-sketch.
There is absolutely nothing about using AI that would restrict someone who does have music knowledge and the ability to play instruments from using it to be able to write quickly on their own when they can’t play all instruments. I play three instruments, one exceptionally well, the other two not so well. But I play, the ones that I don’t play so well, guitar and keyboards, just well enough to write songs. (my main instrument is drums, that is what I went to school for ) I do understand theory, and I don’t have any problem, writing songs by myself. But when I get to going to the process of getting recordings done, what this type of software and artificial intelligence allows me to do is to quickly come up with very passable high-quality almost radio already demos so that I can go further with the material. It allows me to do so without having to deal with asshole musicians that have shitty attitudes. Perhaps you know one or two. Yeah, I think you do.
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Thank you very much for another fantastic tutorial Pete!
Welcome Jeff. Thanks my friend.
Very cool! Nice comprehensive preview. Thanks for sharing Pete!
Cheers Chip.
Loving your logic 2 vids….killn’ it…thanx
Thanks so much Howard. Glad they're helping.
Great vlog, such a shame ipad does not have arrangements at the top 😢 only markers !
Yup. Would be good.
Hi Pete, just gotta say your vids on the new logic updates are invaluable to me, cheers. Quick question and probably a silly one but can you change the octave on the keyboard session player?
Thanks Kevin. Sort of! You can adjust the hands to push them playing lower or higher. Or you can also convert the session region to MIDI and then use transpose from there.
As always Pete, I come to you for the pre-digestion of complex capabilities in music technology, and increasingly that leans on clever software. This, is not ‘original music creation’ but then neither is someone belting out ‘She loves you’, copying The Beatles bar for bar! On the other hand, you’d be able to claim while doing that cover of The Beatles, that you are in fact a musician, having practised the parts and played them on an actual instrument. The only thing I really wanted, was what Apple created a couple of years ago, a parametric-controllable drummer system. That’s what GarageBand’s ‘drummer’ really is, you adjust high-level controls ie ‘parameters’, and the system selects a different set of set-pieces, or reduces the hits on one drum compared to another - truly, it could have been called ‘Parametric drummer’. For me, drumming is a bit of a dark art, it’s not really a tuned instrument a lot of the time, but the rhythms and counterpoint of using different components of the drumkits to execute a particular part of the rhythm, I find that special, and am glad for the assist.
Whether or not, making rampant use of this new Logic Pro toolset (be it truly ‘AI’ or merely a very clever interactive suite of parametric ‘session players’), makes you a ‘musician’ as we have understood it, is a moot point. After all, if your 8-year-old child came to you, with a lovely piece they’d produced using Logic Pro’s session players, I think you are likely to applaud them and sit back and listen. You might then probe, how much they understood of what’s going on…but that doesn’t lessen the feat they’ve managed. Even skin-deep, if they grasped enough to make Logic bang out a tune, we’d be impressed.
Now whether we call that a ‘technical’ feat or a musical one, is more arguable. But, I can see a shed-load of Netflix stuff, deriving the musical accompaniment from the likes of this exciting new aspect of Logic Pro and others to follow. Will I use it? Probably not. But I happily jumped on GB’s drummers as soon as I knew they’d arrived, I was made-up. That has transformed what I can do, even if I might replace half of the beats later, the initial leg-up is a monumental help musically. And it’s not cheating, because any band would have a person there, doing this for you anyway. And if not using it, means a more boring, less-varied drum track/percussive accompaniment, why wouldn’t we use GB or Logic’s drummer?
AI is definitely a threat to music, in some way on some level. It’s grabbing hundreds of years of human effort, and codifying it into a compact and controllable selection-set. A menu from which, even the musically rudimentary, can make something that sounds ‘professional’ albeit not lovely or touching necessarily. I’m going to sides-step all that, by just saying it’s not going to change how I make music very much. And if you don;t want it to change how you make music it won’t either. I can see why every youtuber is going to have a segment, a train of video episodes, on this whole business. Still won’t change the stories I want to express in music, or the way I think. But then, I’ve had 61 years of listening to music. Somewhere, deep inside, that stuff rattles around in the basement of my memory. As I put a track together, something’s going to be raiding that ‘juke-box’ of bits and pieces, and I am not consciously able to stop it.
I have no conclusion to draw, only the observation this sort of thing is inevitable, and at the same time as exciting, might also be ‘so what’. Yes, it’s extraordinary, but it’s unlikely to make its own ‘That’s just the way it is’, without raiding monstrous amounts of human experience and effort. My music ‘aggregator’ already blocks Apple loops - you’re told specifically not to use these in your work, and try to make a resulting musical piece be your own by registering it on Capitol Hill (other repositories are available!). This has yet to shake out, I’m probably going to ignore it for a while, not because it’s not useful, just because I haven’t run out of original music ideas yet. But if you were somebody making a living from work that involved needing oodles of musical wallpaper, or just wanted to churn out a hit song, so are trying hard to copy a hit song, without it being the SAME song (!), then this’ll be very interesting. Sure, this can ‘beat me’ musically, but only in the same way as a thesaurus can ‘think’ of more words that mean the same thing - it’s hardly a level playing-field. Take care all, just do you, and thanks Pete for the insights, it’s a cool new frontier.
Yup! Some very valid points. I think you’d enjoy the podcast I did with Patrick Baird today - th-cam.com/video/LJbQv_WTrvk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qcwdY97G3UWeyEZ0
Hi Pete - getting more and more tempted to switch to LogicPro from GarageBand. As a non-musician I have really enjoyed my short GB journey, guided by yourself as it has opened up a way of putting my lyrics to music I didn't previously have. However I'm starting to think I now need to invest some learning time into LP, mainly because of the session players. I have one question - is there a way to automate other instruments in LP in the manner of GB's autoplay feature? If there is I'm in! Many thanks. Jez
Hey Jez. So, Autoplay is still GarageBand only. But because the keyboard player can use ANY instrument, you can pretty much use the new session keys as an Autoplay for things like strings, organs, synths etc.
@@PeteJohnsMusic Yes I see that now Pete - many thanks. Jez
Mae video for voice making with pre-set and auto tune in logic pro for iPad
Not really my area of expertise I’m afraid.
Teach us how to edit vocal with pre-set in logic pro iPad
Pete my question is off topic, in a nut shell, can you suggest any app, program whatever where musicians can jam live over the internet, where distance is a barrior ?
So... there have been a few of these that say they offer "low latency" for live jamming. I haven't actually found one that works effectively. Maybe ask over at the Create Record Release Facebook group at createrecordreleaae.com, or the Discord group here - studiolivetoday.com/discord.
You are Perfect man ! 💯🙏🏼✌🏼
Thanks my friend. 👍😎
Awesome
It’s pretty epic mate! All the videos are here - th-cam.com/play/PLc8Xg_23Wa54FtJv-S0Wd0_5KmYz6jQuk.html&si=DUDma28aQNknfdfB
Do not be deceived! Logic pro 2 for iPad is made for M1 iPad and up! If you have anything less try and open all three session musicians at one time and see what happens! Mine says I don't have enough RAM to run the program on iPad 9th gen. So us non- M1 iPad people are left with GarageBand. Yay!
Apple have stated that M1 is "recommended" for Session Players. Reading between the lines this means if you want multiple session player tracks or want to use complicated patterns and effects, you'll likely see some slow downs on older iPads.
Lmao….my advice to those who want to be a musician..learn how to play a real instrument..not a fan of all this new AI crap…and I laugh at it all..because let’s say you write a song using this crap…you can never play it live..because you never actually played it…besides throwing originality out the window..your not learning anything thus your creative flow isn’t growing…I’m disappointed with this new direction in humanity..and Logic Pro..I’d rather see newer instruments added and or the instruments they have upgraded and or even different ways to use them in actual playing..my opinion..how can you feel good about yourself and your own progress in creativity if you’re not really writing anything..I get the drums..but the instruments..well …lmao…cheers tho mate…
It won’t be for everyone. That’s why freedom of choice is so important. If you’re making something cool that can connect with other people, use what works for you.
AI is interesting for sure. However, no matter how advanced this becomes, I believe it will never replace the Human touch. Last night I practiced my piano. I have a PC, I have a Daw, and I have many Vst instruments plus an ipad with Logic Pro. All this stuff is fantastic for ideas and recording. But last night it was just me and my piano, and the simplicity and what I got out of it was awesome (in my humble opinion). 😁
Pete does know how to play, and he’s using Logic Pro. All you do is compose something on LP, then at some time, swap out the LP instrument for your own. This can easily be used by real musicians for composing. Non musicians probably have a learning curve for this as much as real instruments.
I’ve swapped out the bass for my own bass before. Same with my guitar, my own keyboard, but seldom on my own drum kit. The drummer is a great metronome, and sounds fairly well. That said, the sounds are too mechanical, robotic, and midi for stage use. It’s not a good replacement for real musicians, but it’s not supposed to be. It’s kinda a toy, like etch-a-sketch.
@@beegoodAaaahhhh Etch-A-Sketch. Reeling back the years. Wish I was a kid again.😁
There is absolutely nothing about using AI that would restrict someone who does have music knowledge and the ability to play instruments from using it to be able to write quickly on their own when they can’t play all instruments. I play three instruments, one exceptionally well, the other two not so well. But I play, the ones that I don’t play so well, guitar and keyboards, just well enough to write songs. (my main instrument is drums, that is what I went to school for ) I do understand theory, and I don’t have any problem, writing songs by myself. But when I get to going to the process of getting recordings done, what this type of software and artificial intelligence allows me to do is to quickly come up with very passable high-quality almost radio already demos so that I can go further with the material. It allows me to do so without having to deal with asshole musicians that have shitty attitudes. Perhaps you know one or two. Yeah, I think you do.