N100 is faster performance, RK3588 is better power consumption and temperatures. Off topic: In light of Intel having some issues (earnings report, raptor lake snafu), I'm kinda wanting to see if AMD has anything going on in the low cost low power embedded space. Outside full blown mini PCs (or maybe beelink, NUC type stuff, etc), there aren't any pi-type AMD products.
Greetings from across the pond near Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA. With the appeal of mini PCs, it would be interesting to see a comparison with an N100 and/or N200 based machine. Thanks for yet another super-max groovy First-Class video. You make it look like so much fun. Wait ... it doesn't just LOOK like fun, it IS fun to build computers like this! Thanks for all your hard work to bring your viewers such interesting videos. It just doesn't get better than EC.
ditto the "SUPER-MAX GROOVY" too; I have visions tomorrow of row-upon-row of factory robots a/k/a Christopher Clones, building millions of these mini PCs to compete with WinTel. You may laf, but I shall laf last.
Wow, Stanley the Knife, Mr. Scissors, AND Mr. Screwdriver in the same build video? Stuff has definitely gotten real! I am a bit sad that we didn't get to pay a visit to the WebGL Aquarium this time though. With that said, this was a fun build to watch and I'd like to see the RK3588 PC pitted against the N100 PC hopefully in the not-too-distant future. :)
@@JeffGeerling You and your channel!! You're insane, but you get results. A salute to your broadcaster dad and the rest of the overworked equipment in your lab.
Always fun to watch a PC build on EC. I don't think I will be building a PC in the near future, but if nothing else, it brings back memories of many hours spent on PC builds. Thanks for another video Chris. Take Good Care.
I always enjoy unboxing and exploring new hardware vicariously through EC. Very nice ARM board with lots of connectivity options. Can’t wait to get my own!
What a beautiful build, Chris. And hearing you say “let’s go and get started” always gets my heart beating a little bit faster. I guess it’s pavlovian by now... :D
HELLO AND THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND TEACHING IT'S VERY USEFUL . AND I HOPE TO CONTINUE WATCHING YOUR VIDEOS /... SO THANKYOU VERY MUCH SINCERELY ME NOEL
17:00 The desktop actually does not seem to be GPU-accelerated. The first indicator is probably the screen tearing, but when you go into the info center at 17:34, you can see that the GPU is listed as "llvmpipe", which is a software-render that runs on the CPU when there is no GPU-accelerated renderer available. The performance of RK3588's CPU probably makes up for it, but the GPU is not used at all. Though it's very interesting that Chromium says it does use hardware acceleration, but maybe it sees LLVMpipe as a hardware renderer. Maybe it's missing driver packages, maybe it's the old kernel, but it's kind of a shame that the Mali G610 can't be used properly yet.
@@igorpecovnik I suspect this is because Armbian uses a newer kernel and probably also packages. Afaik, the Debian KDE option uses Radxa's Debian fork, which is not that up to date.
"sudo apt install mesa-utils ligbles2" will give some 2d gpu acceleration. Radxa seems to need some vpu driver installed for more advanced acceleration, I still haven't figured that one out
@@Stridsvagn69420 generic distributions are not well adopted for custom hardware world ... Its tl;dr; stuff. Armbian will usually work (much) better then Debian, original or baked by HW vendor. Armbian makes & maintain kernel(s) (and related packages) not just download, mix and ship. Like (Debian) distribution(s) do. Eventually some things gets to Debian too, but much later. Armbian is Debian with optimisations for this custom hardware world ...
I did enjoy this video, very much. At less than 16w top-speed, this ARM PC offers many project opportunities where computing power is needed. I have such a work project in mind involving lots of temperature array data logging with ability to access that data from anywhere. It is easily up to that task and thank you as always for the many videos and ideas, Christopher!
Hi from Bosnia! excellent video, I really enjoyed it. Excellent machine. Excellent and clean build. I love ARM processors. I wish you lots of health and business success in the future and I look forward to new projects.
I owned an original Chopin like this and used it for my media PC for several years. I couldn't use the included PSU because it was too loud: The fan on the PSU itself was actually nicely quiet, as I was able to test it outside of the case, but the air would flow around a few bends, as you can see with the exterior shroud, and that airflow got quite noisy. I went with a PicoPSU instead. Then on the upside, I had much more room for cable management without having the included PSU installed. I did have to figure out a janky way to mount the PicoPSU power input connector, and then block off the remainder of the PSU opening on the back. I was never truly happy with it--I always wanted to try to 3D print something, but never got around to it.
I've had one of these little cases since about 2014'ish. They haven't changed in all that time (apart from PSU). Solid and great quality. It's had 4 different MoBo's fitted over that time. Great little media setup hidden in the tv cabinet. Quiet and cool. :) Might have to grab one of these ARM boards for a trial.
Brilliant - it is just as beautiful as I initially thought - I really hope they make an upgrade of the RK3588 sometime soon. When my desktop dies I really hope I can replace it with something like this. The RPi5 I have replaced my Atom webserver with, about a month ago, has already impressed me plenty.
Excelent video! Seeing for all those sata connectors come to my mind that it would be great if you make a tutorial with this build to implement a home NAS. I think this ARM PC would be perfect for that kind of project.
Excellent content as always .. I would recommend showing the removal of the protective film from the thermal pad to ensure that those new to tech wont feel your advocating keeping it in place.. Thank You for sharing ... Cheers :)
It is a joy to my eyes to see you engaging in those beautiful things. Am a man with a stressful life pattern. Watching your videos chills me down. Thank you!
A few years back, your PC build got me interested in building a PC. It’s my lucky day that this build was done. Now I have to convince my wife that we need another PC. Thank you for all your hard work, Chris.
Very much enjoyed this video. You see, my AMD daily driver machine is housed in a Chopin In Win case, same as yours. I smiled at your brief cooler challenge. I am on my third thin-profile Noctua fan in 4 years. 65W TDP CPU is a little much in such cramped quarters. Certainly not a blame on Noctua. The In Win now exists in a wider version for normal fans. Somewhat wish I had that case version. As for the RK3588, I have a SBC with the RK3588S and its runs multiple Docker containers 24/7. Not bad at all considering power draw.
Another beautiful PC build. Can’t wait to see the follow-up videos with different motherboards. Then I’ll follow the instructions and build one myself. :)
Thanks Chris for the video. Also looking forward to RK3588 N100 comparison. While I have 8 different ARM SBCs one thing I have noticed is that even though they play TH-cam videos quite well they won't play TH-camTV or Amazon video. My H3 and X2L have no problem with either. Thanks for the channel. Keep up the good work. Hope you and yours are safe and warm. Dan
The front panel button wires are bound together in a single connector, rather than being a bunch of fiddly individual connectors! That case is worth it just for that
In my In Win Chopin the front panel connectors are not bound together. Maybe this is a redesign? I got mine in 2021. Its a really good case. The PSUs fan is unfortunately a crap one, so out of warranty its recommended to replace with a Noctua fan.
I think front panel connections are almost becoming a somewhat-standard... so yeah, these connector blocks are becoming common. I say that but I think I remember it still not being quite standard. Ludicrous that this hasn't been worked out by now.
@@berjbedrosian4225 because you need the cable length to install the motherboard into the case. If you use those push in mounting coolers(like the stock Intel cooler), then you have easy time. You can plug the cables in after you installed the mobo into the case, bacause the cooler wont in the way. But if you need to pre install the cooler, like the stock AMD, Noctua L9a/L9i or Cryorig C1 LP, you need the extra cable length to play the mobo into the case. You need to plug in all the connectors before you place the mobo into the case. Ive already built 3 systems into the Chopin case.
Agreed. I think Mint will become more popular over the coming year since its most similar to Windows 10 for the Linux variants and Windows 10 support ends in a year.
about the SATA: at around 4:40, there is visble an 'asmedia ASM 1164' controller, which is PCIe Gen 3x2, providing 4 SATA Gen3 ports but only using 2- or 1- lanes upstream PCIe
It's nice to see his desk so well ARMed for compute. The arena of numbers (compile time, load times,scores, and stats for nerds and more!). The board like like it might have NAS service as a possible use case with all that SATA connectivity and m.2 .
I keep hoping that manufacturers will start selling parts so you can actually build an ARM desktop like we can build x86 ones now. I know there are custom machines out there, just surprised we don’t really have an ARM ecosystem like x86 does now.
It will be interesting to see the comparison of the two systems. I am intersted to see what the final use of tthis system will be. Great build as usual.
What an interesting Mini ITX case it looks fairly tight for all the knitting, I’m glad to see the IO shield went in first time or did it? Nice to see Stanley, Mr Scissors & Sid the screwdriver helping out. It’s a shame that Radxa couldn’t make a thinner back plate to fit the case, you’d think there’d be a standard for it! This would make a great media PC with an N100 fitted, would the 150 watt PSU be enough? I’m looking forward to seeing more Mini ITX projects in the future using that lovely case. I’d also be interested in seeing a comparison video of the Radxa Rock 5 & N100. Thanks for the video Chris & I hope all is well with you. :)
I would love to see the comparison with your older build! Please make that video. Really loved this, nice to see ARM finally coming to the forefront of PC technology. I hope to see more videos about this in the future Chris! Cheers and well done mate.
@@ExplainingComputers Happy to see you reply. Don't often see TH-camrs with a big following like yours responding to comments this frequently, I sure do respect that! P.S I recently watched your ryzen 5600G build video from last year. Did you put the GT1030 from the old AMD test rig into your editing machine, or did the editing PC have a 1030 already?
Correct me if I am wrong, but from the KDE Info page the video driver in use is llvmpipe which denotes only software rendering and no hardware acceleration at all. Basically, no driver has been loaded for the gpu. Although a powerful machine it does not stand a chance against a N100 comparison, basically due to the biggest problem that all these sbcs have, i.e. proper software support for the hardware. Thanks for the review!
I've owned a couple of the snapdragon mobile windows ARM solutions from Verizon and AT&T 2 in 1 devices over the last several years. I hate 'em. They won't do everything I need to do, especially for the price, and windows for ARM is still buggy AF. THIS is an enjoyable video none-the-less
So many of the SBCs that you present are solutions looking for a problem. I can't wait until the software catches up so we can pick our OS and desktop.
The biggest flaw of this board is soldered ram in my opinion. I can understand soldered ram on the very small single board computers because there is just not enough room for ram kits but on this board, there is plenty of space to add even single so-dimm slot. It would add a lot more options for what you can do with this board. I would love to see performance comparison between Intel N100 and this CPU. AMD should release new Athlon CPU to join the mix.
This is exactly what I needed for my Linux minipc with Windows on a virtual machine ❤ I will save a lot of money by not buying an intel nuc. Thank you so much!!!
Appreciate the video, and seems like a nice machine, its really nice to see this sort of of board format, will be nice to see these sorts of SOC's in low cost tablets and laptops, will be interesting if we see a future version of Windows for arm running on them as well.
Thanks Chris for another awesome and exciting ARM build mini ITX computer. Nice to see Stanley the knife and gang being gainfully employed…😊! This setup looks to be very budget friendly and reasonably fast for an Arm system so I would like to see a video of it in action, please. Have a great week!
And it's pronounced "show-PAN". It's always funny and vaguely annoying to me as a classically trained pianist to hear people mess this up (this isn't the first time).
I would love to see the comparison video, I find all your work intriguing, educating, and entertaining. You put a whole new spin on rock-paper-scissors:-)(I love all your name your tools)
Thank you for this nice view of the Rock 5 ITX with an RK3588! I think it will be even more valuable when this CPU gets a fully upstreamed linux kernel. A comparison with the Intel N100 would be nice, even tho there are benchmarks for both CPUs out there already. A review of the just released Radxa X4 with N100 would be nice too!
It looks amazingly responsive. I don't see this board or case on Amazon. Also a case with a power supply is non-existent. The arm boards may be more common in a few months hopefully. Love these build videos Chris. Thanks for your time, expense and effort. I look forward to the comparison with the N-100. Thank you!
Thanks for this. :) The In Win Chopin MAX (a deluxe version of what I used here with a better PSU) is in stock on Amazon UK as I type this: amzn.to/4d9ffAd and on Amazon US here: amzn.to/4dsZofq [Both affiliate links]
Excellent video as usual! Thank you! Just a suggestion... could you make a 4K60 or 4K30 version of your test video perhaps? I don't think a 1080p30 video is a real test anymore.
I don't think I would ever buy one just because you can't remove the processor or RAM. I is good to see a ARM mini-itx and I hope other companies will come out with one as well.
Very true. As I've experimented with in the past, it is possible to run Arm Windows 11 on an RK3588, but the current (totally unofficial) images lack SATA and PCIe support. :(
When I build a PC system I always use modular PSU's. Back in the day they weren't available and I ended up with so many wires jammed into a Midi case it meant I had sod all space, if I wanted to do any upgrade it looked like I was delivering an electric octopus, I saw an advert for a modular PSU and bought one the next week. I actually cackled with joy with all the space and airflow I had.
A PCIe port would have been interesting. Not that there is support for any GPUs anyway, but other stuff could be added. In the end, it's yet another ARM SBC with terrible software support, that will basically be abandoned in 12 months.
There are 2 Gen3 lanes on the M.2 port. You just need an OS smaller than 8 GB to fit into the eMMC, or install another SSD or SATA adapter into the WiFi M.2 slot.
I would like to see a comparison video between this and the N100, providing they are aimed at the same 'space' in the market. That and possibly a third machine.. maybe if a mini ITX RISC 5 machine appears on the horizon.
As a musician I approve of the case name 😁 not a bad price for an itx case including the psu. This was a great video Chris and I look forward to seeing how things develop with these arm boards now that they're starting to become more mainstream. Lots of cool stuff ahead!
17:00 Clearly this is NOT a gpu accelerated desktop. 17:35 This shows us it is using llvmpipe aka Software Renderer. The only stable Mesa (hardware) renderer for now for RK35xx is Gnome and Cinnamon, not KDE.
Can't wait for RK3588 vs N100.
N100 will most likely win in everything except power usage
N100 is faster performance, RK3588 is better power consumption and temperatures.
Off topic: In light of Intel having some issues (earnings report, raptor lake snafu), I'm kinda wanting to see if AMD has anything going on in the low cost low power embedded space. Outside full blown mini PCs (or maybe beelink, NUC type stuff, etc), there aren't any pi-type AMD products.
Me too!
What's the best benchmarks for different architectures? I was reading some papers for ISAs, and the stuff they use are.. nonstandard.
@@SithhyRK 3588 has 6 tops in his NPU, but it’s difficult to evaluate IA perf without software support details and implementations…
Greetings from across the pond near Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA. With the appeal of mini PCs, it would be interesting to see a comparison with an N100 and/or N200 based machine. Thanks for yet another super-max groovy First-Class video. You make it look like so much fun. Wait ... it doesn't just LOOK like fun, it IS fun to build computers like this! Thanks for all your hard work to bring your viewers such interesting videos. It just doesn't get better than EC.
Agreed, fellow Burqueño!
Thanks for your support. :)
ditto the "SUPER-MAX GROOVY" too; I have visions tomorrow of row-upon-row of factory robots a/k/a Christopher Clones, building millions of these mini PCs to compete with WinTel. You may laf, but I shall laf last.
Burque!@@SchoolforHackers
Agreed... 👏
Wow, Stanley the Knife, Mr. Scissors, AND Mr. Screwdriver in the same build video? Stuff has definitely gotten real! I am a bit sad that we didn't get to pay a visit to the WebGL Aquarium this time though. With that said, this was a fun build to watch and I'd like to see the RK3588 PC pitted against the N100 PC hopefully in the not-too-distant future. :)
It's a rare treat!
@@JeffGeerling Hi, Jeff! :D
Isn't that Robertson, the Driver? I had one identical from 1979, but left it down south five years ago.
@@JeffGeerling You and your channel!! You're insane, but you get results. A salute to your broadcaster dad and the rest of the overworked equipment in your lab.
@@JeffGeerlingI guess you want to run a GPU?
Oh yes! Please compare the N100 and Radxa systems under Ubuntu! That would be a very helpful video to see. Thank you for all your educational content.
Why Ubuntu? A fair comparison would be emerged Gentoo vs emerged Gentoo
Emerging could be a test on itself
No one cares about Ubuntu anymore.
What about DietPie ?
@@thegorn 117 upvotes and you have how many? That the 117 is the third highest up vote count on the video. I'd same at least 117 people care.
I always love your clear explanations sprinkled with some light and dry humor.
Of course, would love to see a comparison video. I wouldn’t mind seeing it compared to other computers also. Looking forward to your next video!
Always fun to watch a PC build on EC. I don't think I will be building a PC in the near future, but if nothing else, it brings back memories of many hours spent on PC builds. Thanks for another video Chris. Take Good Care.
Thanks for adding the power consumption numbers! This is a lovely addition to your videos!
I completely forgot to contribute to the tea fund, so here it is. Sorry, Chris! :(
Thanks for your support. :) But please do not feel obliged to contribute.
@@ExplainingComputers Gotcha, Chris! Thanks.
Definately, a comparison video would be most welcome.
Good morning! Looks like we got a pretty _rad_ PC build this week.
Greetings!
@@ExplainingComputers Hi, Chris! Tell Stanley I said hi too. 😁
Good morning to you to, an interesting video indeed ;)
@@alanthornton3530 Good morning, Alan! :D
@@Praxibetel-Ix ;)
I always enjoy unboxing and exploring new hardware vicariously through EC. Very nice ARM board with lots of connectivity options. Can’t wait to get my own!
What a beautiful build, Chris. And hearing you say “let’s go and get started” always gets my heart beating a little bit faster. I guess it’s pavlovian by now... :D
:)
HELLO AND THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND TEACHING IT'S VERY USEFUL . AND I HOPE TO CONTINUE WATCHING YOUR VIDEOS /... SO THANKYOU VERY MUCH SINCERELY ME NOEL
17:00 The desktop actually does not seem to be GPU-accelerated. The first indicator is probably the screen tearing, but when you go into the info center at 17:34, you can see that the GPU is listed as "llvmpipe", which is a software-render that runs on the CPU when there is no GPU-accelerated renderer available. The performance of RK3588's CPU probably makes up for it, but the GPU is not used at all. Though it's very interesting that Chromium says it does use hardware acceleration, but maybe it sees LLVMpipe as a hardware renderer.
Maybe it's missing driver packages, maybe it's the old kernel, but it's kind of a shame that the Mali G610 can't be used properly yet.
Armbian works with full acceleration.
@@igorpecovnik I suspect this is because Armbian uses a newer kernel and probably also packages. Afaik, the Debian KDE option uses Radxa's Debian fork, which is not that up to date.
"sudo apt install mesa-utils ligbles2" will give some 2d gpu acceleration. Radxa seems to need some vpu driver installed for more advanced acceleration, I still haven't figured that one out
@@Stridsvagn69420 generic distributions are not well adopted for custom hardware world ... Its tl;dr; stuff. Armbian will usually work (much) better then Debian, original or baked by HW vendor. Armbian makes & maintain kernel(s) (and related packages) not just download, mix and ship. Like (Debian) distribution(s) do. Eventually some things gets to Debian too, but much later. Armbian is Debian with optimisations for this custom hardware world ...
@@RowdyDemon70 Its more complicated then that.
I did enjoy this video, very much. At less than 16w top-speed, this ARM PC offers many project opportunities where computing power is needed. I have such a work project in mind involving lots of temperature array data logging with ability to access that data from anywhere. It is easily up to that task and thank you as always for the many videos and ideas, Christopher!
Love to see the Intel/Arm comparison video.
Thanks!
Thanks for your support. :)
All stuff and no fluff; this is why I've been subbed for all these years - thank you Chris, keep it up!
Much appreciated!
Hi from Bosnia! excellent video, I really enjoyed it. Excellent machine. Excellent and clean build. I love ARM processors. I wish you lots of health and business success in the future and I look forward to new projects.
Greetings from the UK! :)
I owned an original Chopin like this and used it for my media PC for several years. I couldn't use the included PSU because it was too loud: The fan on the PSU itself was actually nicely quiet, as I was able to test it outside of the case, but the air would flow around a few bends, as you can see with the exterior shroud, and that airflow got quite noisy. I went with a PicoPSU instead. Then on the upside, I had much more room for cable management without having the included PSU installed. I did have to figure out a janky way to mount the PicoPSU power input connector, and then block off the remainder of the PSU opening on the back. I was never truly happy with it--I always wanted to try to 3D print something, but never got around to it.
I've had one of these little cases since about 2014'ish. They haven't changed in all that time (apart from PSU). Solid and great quality. It's had 4 different MoBo's fitted over that time. Great little media setup hidden in the tv cabinet. Quiet and cool. :)
Might have to grab one of these ARM boards for a trial.
Brilliant - it is just as beautiful as I initially thought - I really hope they make an upgrade of the RK3588 sometime soon.
When my desktop dies I really hope I can replace it with something like this. The RPi5 I have replaced my Atom webserver with, about a month ago, has already impressed me plenty.
Am just relieved to see that in this timeline that I will still be able to do my own computer builds
Excelent video! Seeing for all those sata connectors come to my mind that it would be great if you make a tutorial with this build to implement a home NAS. I think this ARM PC would be perfect for that kind of project.
Excellent content as always .. I would recommend showing the removal of the protective film from the thermal pad to ensure that those new to tech wont feel your advocating keeping it in place.. Thank You for sharing ... Cheers :)
I did not show the removal on either side! :)
I believe that a reason to use ARM system is to reduce TDP. So It would be cool to see such system with passive cooling.
It is a joy to my eyes to see you engaging in those beautiful things.
Am a man with a stressful life pattern.
Watching your videos chills me down.
Thank you!
Many thanks. It’s a new day for building! The hobby thankfully continues.
Exactly. You put this far better than I did. :)
A few years back, your PC build got me interested in building a PC. It’s my lucky day that this build was done. Now I have to convince my wife that we need another PC. Thank you for all your hard work, Chris.
very cool! love the rk3588 soc, it's crazy how powerful it is.
I'd not mind one of these systems in my collection. Very much loving the ARM architecture on computers.
This case has the front panel wires in a single connector. Colour me impressed. So it can be done, but this is the first time I've seen it
Me too! :) I did worry if they would be in the right positions . . . and they were!
Very much enjoyed this video. You see, my AMD daily driver machine is housed in a Chopin In Win case, same as yours. I smiled at your brief cooler challenge. I am on my third thin-profile Noctua fan in 4 years. 65W TDP CPU is a little much in such cramped quarters. Certainly not a blame on Noctua. The In Win now exists in a wider version for normal fans. Somewhat wish I had that case version. As for the RK3588, I have a SBC with the RK3588S and its runs multiple Docker containers 24/7. Not bad at all considering power draw.
Arm is something that fascinates me. I want to see its progression.
I haven't seen an optical port in awhile. VERY cool.
Congratulations to 1M subscribers! :) Nicely done video as always. Enjoy your new ARM-PC.
Thanks. :)
Another beautiful PC build. Can’t wait to see the follow-up videos with different motherboards. Then I’ll follow the instructions and build one myself. :)
Another great EC build video. Looking forward to further updates. Great to see Stanley and Mr Scissors gainfully employed again.
That ending was hilarious. I've cut it into kind of a meme
Thanks Chris for the video. Also looking forward to RK3588 N100 comparison. While I have 8 different ARM SBCs one thing I have noticed is that even though they play TH-cam videos quite well they won't play TH-camTV or Amazon video. My H3 and X2L have no problem with either. Thanks for the channel. Keep up the good work. Hope you and yours are safe and warm.
Dan
Can’t wait to see these Mobos with the new Qualcomm Elite ARM CPUs
That will be nice!
The front panel button wires are bound together in a single connector, rather than being a bunch of fiddly individual connectors!
That case is worth it just for that
In my In Win Chopin the front panel connectors are not bound together. Maybe this is a redesign? I got mine in 2021. Its a really good case. The PSUs fan is unfortunately a crap one, so out of warranty its recommended to replace with a Noctua fan.
I think front panel connections are almost becoming a somewhat-standard... so yeah, these connector blocks are becoming common. I say that but I think I remember it still not being quite standard.
Ludicrous that this hasn't been worked out by now.
I LOVE the Chopin case, I don't understand why they still make the cables so long....
@@berjbedrosian4225 because you need the cable length to install the motherboard into the case. If you use those push in mounting coolers(like the stock Intel cooler), then you have easy time. You can plug the cables in after you installed the mobo into the case, bacause the cooler wont in the way. But if you need to pre install the cooler, like the stock AMD, Noctua L9a/L9i or Cryorig C1 LP, you need the extra cable length to play the mobo into the case. You need to plug in all the connectors before you place the mobo into the case. Ive already built 3 systems into the Chopin case.
Mint on an ARM ITX would be interesting. Thanks for all you do.
Agreed. I think Mint will become more popular over the coming year since its most similar to Windows 10 for the Linux variants and Windows 10 support ends in a year.
about the SATA: at around 4:40, there is visble an 'asmedia ASM 1164' controller, which is PCIe Gen 3x2, providing 4 SATA Gen3 ports but only using 2- or 1- lanes upstream PCIe
Thanks for this, most appreciated. :)
@@ExplainingComputers P.S. - congratulations to your 1st full-ARM-PC build ;-)
It's nice to see his desk so well ARMed for compute. The arena of numbers (compile time, load times,scores, and stats for nerds and more!).
The board like like it might have NAS service as a possible use case with all that SATA connectivity and m.2 .
I keep hoping that manufacturers will start selling parts so you can actually build an ARM desktop like we can build x86 ones now. I know there are custom machines out there, just surprised we don’t really have an ARM ecosystem like x86 does now.
It will be interesting to see the comparison of the two systems. I am intersted to see what the final use of tthis system will be. Great build as usual.
What an interesting Mini ITX case it looks fairly tight for all the knitting, I’m glad to see the IO shield went in first time or did it? Nice to see Stanley, Mr Scissors & Sid the screwdriver helping out.
It’s a shame that Radxa couldn’t make a thinner back plate to fit the case, you’d think there’d be a standard for it! This would make a great media PC with an N100 fitted, would the 150 watt PSU be enough? I’m looking forward to seeing more Mini ITX projects in the future using that lovely case. I’d also be interested in seeing a comparison video of the Radxa Rock 5 & N100. Thanks for the video Chris & I hope all is well with you. :)
Great stuff. Thumbs up for the RK3588 vs N100 video,, I'd be very interested to see what comes out of that.
Oh yes please - comparison to an N100 system would be very good
I would love to see the comparison with your older build! Please make that video. Really loved this, nice to see ARM finally coming to the forefront of PC technology. I hope to see more videos about this in the future Chris! Cheers and well done mate.
Oh, I've been waiting for this review since the community post 😊.
And here it is! :)
I love these build videos of yours! If you ever do any more builds/upgrades, it'd be great to see videos of those too. Greetings from Finland
Greetings!
@@ExplainingComputers Happy to see you reply. Don't often see TH-camrs with a big following like yours responding to comments this frequently, I sure do respect that!
P.S I recently watched your ryzen 5600G build video from last year. Did you put the GT1030 from the old AMD test rig into your editing machine, or did the editing PC have a 1030 already?
Yes I am very interested in the N100 vs RK3588.
Great Video!
Thanks for that ! Got the urge to build a pc again , nice video.
Correct me if I am wrong, but from the KDE Info page the video driver in use is llvmpipe which denotes only software rendering and no hardware acceleration at all. Basically, no driver has been loaded for the gpu. Although a powerful machine it does not stand a chance against a N100 comparison, basically due to the biggest problem that all these sbcs have, i.e. proper software support for the hardware. Thanks for the review!
Why is it that Apple Silicon can have good GPU support via Asahi but nothing else in ARM?
Nice one build, i was thinking build one as a home server for the low energy consumption.
Thanks a lot.
An excellent presentation, Mr Barnatt! As always!
I agree, it IS quite exciting! I’ll look forward to the N100 comparison! Also, Imagine if you could get an RPI
ITX board!
9:47 that price also include the power supply, so fairly reasonable.
Exactly.
I've owned a couple of the snapdragon mobile windows ARM solutions from Verizon and AT&T 2 in 1 devices over the last several years. I hate 'em. They won't do everything I need to do, especially for the price, and windows for ARM is still buggy AF. THIS is an enjoyable video none-the-less
So many of the SBCs that you present are solutions looking for a problem. I can't wait until the software catches up so we can pick our OS and desktop.
Isn't that what computers are all about: solutions looking for problems?
The software side of this board is a nightmare. Rpi5 is so much simpler and better supported.
Wonderful! "Kind tips"!!!! Yes, please - let's see a comparison. I'm sorely tempted to have a go at doing something like this for myself.
At last a good home server board that cheap-arse Intel and it's vendors could not make.
Thank you for showing it!
This board literally has more connectivity features and I/O tham many costly regular motherboards.... Good useful and satisfying..
The biggest flaw of this board is soldered ram in my opinion. I can understand soldered ram on the very small single board computers because there is just not enough room for ram kits but on this board, there is plenty of space to add even single so-dimm slot. It would add a lot more options for what you can do with this board.
I would love to see performance comparison between Intel N100 and this CPU. AMD should release new Athlon CPU to join the mix.
I would consider playing around with one of these if it had a pcie slot.
This is exactly what I needed for my Linux minipc with Windows on a virtual machine ❤ I will save a lot of money by not buying an intel nuc. Thank you so much!!!
You can basically buy intel N100 mini ITX boards for the same or even lower price.
@ginger_toggaf oh okey, I'm a complete noob when it comes to ARM. Thank you for the heads up!
@@RWLN508D thanks for the advice!
@ginger_toggaf 🤣🤣🤣
You're doing everything I love to do. And in better way.
Всяке бачив, но такого в перший раз. Дякую, Кріс!
Appreciate the video, and seems like a nice machine, its really nice to see this sort of of board format, will be nice to see these sorts of SOC's in low cost tablets and laptops, will be interesting if we see a future version of Windows for arm running on them as well.
I hope soon we will have powerful RISC-V single board computers. As a programmer I want to develop on it and for it.
Thanks Chris for another awesome and exciting ARM build mini ITX computer. Nice to see Stanley the knife and gang being gainfully employed…😊!
This setup looks to be very budget friendly and reasonably fast for an Arm system so I would like to see a video of it in action, please.
Have a great week!
Chris that brand of that Mini-ITX case is actually named after a polish composer, Frederic Chopin
It would have been cool if he played back some of Chopin's compositions like Fantaisie Impromptu or Minute Waltz for testing.
@@PVZBlover Polish Chopin Radio is the best for me to have in the background when studying :)
The brand is InWin. Chopin is the model, but possibly is named in honour of the composer's poetic genius (less is more).
And it's pronounced "show-PAN". It's always funny and vaguely annoying to me as a classically trained pianist to hear people mess this up (this isn't the first time).
@@PlaAwa looks like that InWin named that Mini-ITX PC case as a honour to the Polish Composer
I would love to see the comparison video, I find all your work intriguing, educating, and entertaining. You put a whole new spin on rock-paper-scissors:-)(I love all your name your tools)
Thank you for this nice view of the Rock 5 ITX with an RK3588! I think it will be even more valuable when this CPU gets a fully upstreamed linux kernel. A comparison with the Intel N100 would be nice, even tho there are benchmarks for both CPUs out there already. A review of the just released Radxa X4 with N100 would be nice too!
Thanks for this. I have a Radxa X4 on pre-order -- ships in two days . . .
It looks amazingly responsive. I don't see this board or case on Amazon. Also a case with a power supply is non-existent. The arm boards may be more common in a few months hopefully. Love these build videos Chris. Thanks for your time, expense and effort. I look forward to the comparison with the N-100. Thank you!
Thanks for this. :) The In Win Chopin MAX (a deluxe version of what I used here with a better PSU) is in stock on Amazon UK as I type this: amzn.to/4d9ffAd and on Amazon US here: amzn.to/4dsZofq [Both affiliate links]
Excellent video as usual! Thank you!
Just a suggestion... could you make a 4K60 or 4K30 version of your test video perhaps? I don't think a 1080p30 video is a real test anymore.
This is a very good point. I must do this.
You're having fun, which means I'm having fun watching the build and test. Many Thanks!
This looks like it would be a fantastic NAS project. I think I'll check it out!
Greetings Chris! Impressive little build. Fairly reasonable cost all things considered. Nice little case too. Well done!
I don't think I would ever buy one just because you can't remove the processor or RAM. I is good to see a ARM mini-itx and I hope other companies will come out with one as well.
Hi!, nice build. Seems a well designed device. Another reason to call it SBC instead of motherboard is the lack of pcie slots.
You know it's a Sunday when you've got a cup of coffee, some chocolate biscuits and a new video from ExplainingComputers
Now I'm convinced to go ARM ITX PC.
Microsoft sells their "ARM Dev" computers for a hefty price. If this board can run Windows ARM, I think a lot of folks might love it.
Very true. As I've experimented with in the past, it is possible to run Arm Windows 11 on an RK3588, but the current (totally unofficial) images lack SATA and PCIe support. :(
@@ExplainingComputersthat’s ridiculous
Oh yes, we need more ARM boards in desktop space
i love it ❤
THX for the review
When I build a PC system I always use modular PSU's. Back in the day they weren't available and I ended up with so many wires jammed into a Midi case it meant I had sod all space, if I wanted to do any upgrade it looked like I was delivering an electric octopus, I saw an advert for a modular PSU and bought one the next week. I actually cackled with joy with all the space and airflow I had.
Initial impressions are really very good. Have to go out half way through, but will return.
Yuppy, I was waiting for someone to review this board. Time to grab a drink and watch
DO IT, MR. BARNATT. DO THE COMPARISON.
I'M GONNA LOSE MY MIND WAITING!
A PCIe port would have been interesting. Not that there is support for any GPUs anyway, but other stuff could be added.
In the end, it's yet another ARM SBC with terrible software support, that will basically be abandoned in 12 months.
wish the Raspberry Pi Foundation would release an ITX board like that but with Pi 5 internals
If only it somehow adapted a community-ratified compute module design for ITX, at least upgradability would be there
rk3588 belongs in tablets and dedicated game consoles - it's too underpowered for PC build, but too OVERpowered for network add-on purposes
It has Armbian platinum support. Don't worry about support. Armbian support 10 years old devices ...
There are 2 Gen3 lanes on the M.2 port. You just need an OS smaller than 8 GB to fit into the eMMC, or install another SSD or SATA adapter into the WiFi M.2 slot.
Need a ARM board with ram slots so it's user upgradeable. Love the formfactor though!
I would like to see a comparison video between this and the N100, providing they are aimed at the same 'space' in the market. That and possibly a third machine.. maybe if a mini ITX RISC 5 machine appears on the horizon.
As a musician I approve of the case name 😁 not a bad price for an itx case including the psu. This was a great video Chris and I look forward to seeing how things develop with these arm boards now that they're starting to become more mainstream. Lots of cool stuff ahead!
Chris oohing and aahing over a fresh, fun board: just what I need this Sunday morning.
Thanks for sharing. The ITX case was impressive. Everything appeared to work very smoothly
17:00 Clearly this is NOT a gpu accelerated desktop.
17:35 This shows us it is using llvmpipe aka Software Renderer.
The only stable Mesa (hardware) renderer for now for RK35xx is Gnome and Cinnamon, not KDE.
Yep, why I sub to this channel. Too bad we are still many generations behind what's currently totl with ARM.