The big bone generals look really identical to the man at arms, they could maybe be the same rank as him or maybe the man at arms at some point in his life fought for our family? Hence why he's wearing the uniform of our family's army?
@@Jaydee8652 he may be referring to the fact that he even deserted and left them for dead or they died and he was the only one left but it also might be the case
Who says it's actually wine in the goblet? The Crimson Court already has plenty of "wine" after all. Perhaps it's something less tainted but equally disgusting. As warriors they would know that rotting stench intimately and hate it all the same. Especially if they are covered in it.
The Occultists quote at 7:30 is actually a reference to how the character they are based off of (Abdul Alhazred) dies in one of H.P Lovecraft’s stories, the attention to detail and references in darkest dungeon A: pay homage to one of my favourite horror writers, and B: fleshes out the story of it, giving it more depth and it makes listening to it really fun.
@@griffintattongeyer2949 HP Lovecraft's History of the Necronomicon which wasn't really a published piece but more of a personal document to reference in other stories. Abdul Al-Hazred is devoured by an invisible beast
My thinking is that Necromancer is both unholy and eldritch because of what animates him. Long story short- my theory is that Necromancer has his mind intact because it's not just his soul animating his body. Something was put inside to "bolster" the effect of resurection, to give clarity of mind and inteligence to differentiate from common undead who can be resurected in bulk
And the ancestor did say he was able to revive him with much of his inflect witch wouldent make sense if he’s a novice because he also said it’s challenging for experienced necromancers to do that so how did a (admitly powerful) novice manage to replicate results still rare for high level experienced necros
@@sebastiangibson9671I mean, he did experiment with creating life and reanimating it for what can only be assumed to be decades, so I wonder how much of an actual “Novice” he would be
I propose two possibilities. Either the corpse is burned down to ashes after the third kill to make sure. Or after all the resurrections the body is too damaged to be sucessfully revived.
The prophet isnt even really hostile to us, we come to kill him and he hides behind rubble and even warns us about the incoming rubble that falls upon our team caused by the ruckus of the fight. His other moves are just screaming at us (we're hurting him)
In a way I have got a thought of Prophet and why he was then dragged to see the Heart of the World: Perhaps he was supposed to be a sacrifice and as he managed to escape (as he had managed to get his left arm off the stock, he probably got quite a burst of adrenaline to achieve this and dexterity to run away) the Crawling Chaos was not pleased from having an immortal being sacrificed to run away. But there is a problem: why Prophet wasn't recaptured? Perhaps the time was seriously running low on Ancestor and he had to turn into long term plan to send the letter to his heir. I of course wanted to put my thought on this just to see would this thought get any winds to it's sail.
I really love these, plz do more, maybe the minibosses get their own vids either all together or separate. But I love these faction lore vids very inspirational for my campaign
i have a question what is the point of the ancestor to write the lettler to the heir or heiress i mean if he can listen to him went he was close and know that the ancestor doesnt want redemption even in the dead what is the point, maybe to curse all the lineage to the truth of the darkest dungeon but know we know that all world is suffering fot the heart of darkness so the heir and heiress know that they dont want to continue with the curse so what was the point?
Because the Ancestor wanted the Heir to fight, because the bloodshed and death could strengthen the Thing and accelerate it's birth. We know that the Ancestor doesn't care about anything but the satisfaction of his own selfish impulses, and after he became a Herald, his one remaining ambition was to see the Thing fully awakened. He doesn't really care if it's rebirth is supposedly inevitable, he wants it to happen NOW.
I feel like it actually makes more sense that he did it earlier in his life as you need dead bodies to raise undead armies. So easier to just let the army grow...naturally...as it were. Let the toll of years provide the bodies neccessary so that project isn't too obvious while he is doing other things he needs to spend more resources hiding.
It would but there are issues with the Undead Army existing earlier. If he had an undead army, he wouldn't have needed to hire Brigads to reinforce his control? He wasn't a master in those early years so his skills wouldn't have been enough to raise the undead with their intelligence. Would he just have kept his army garrisoned in the Ruins for years? Even if he did raise them early, the only undead we see are skeletons, implying that enough time has passed for the flesh to decompose, and to top is off, majority of the undead are soldiers from the crypts, not villagers from the Hamlet,, those would be sent to the swine for food.
@@MiskatonicMemorialist he needed the brigands because he needed something in the mean time while he was trying to quietly raise an undead horde. He was already having trouble coming up with the hush money for the stuff that was only kinda suspect. What do you suppose it would cost to hush up a literal army of doom? So best to avoid having to make those payments at all and have the army grow... organically. After all who looks for where the bodies are going when there are supposedly other bigger concerns? Like civil unrest over how the tyrant lord is handling domestic issues?
To keep the undead army a secret? Probably nothing since he has the entire Ruins of his ancestral castle to house them. Assuming he had an iron grip on the town that the brigands secured him, he was in complete control. There was no point in needing to hide his more activities anymore. The financial cost of the excavation and paying the Brigands was burning the candle at both ends. He would eventually run out of money (again) and the Brigands would either leave or betray him. So he would need his own army loyal to him. The lion's share of reanimated bodies are from the crypts of ruins, his ancestral army, maybe some from the rabble, but only a few. Trying to grow the army from the recent dead seems unnecessary and unlikely given that he had other uses for the villagers. Ones that don't leave a corpse behind.
Hey... Those soldiers. Man at arms clearly looks close to the general, we all know it but lower ranks... Don't they look familiar to you? Are those the same men from MAA and Hellion memories from DD2?
Unlikely. Considering that the ruins were no longer in use already at the beginning of The Ancestors life it is more likely that in the DD world armors haven`t developed much between centuries.
I like the idea that it’s literally just wine and the stress is them worrying out about why this weird skeleton just spilt wine on them
Ha yea. I always like to think it's just some unholy water bc it makes a sizzle sound when it touches you
I mean, red wine is infamously difficult to clean out.
The big bone generals look really identical to the man at arms, they could maybe be the same rank as him or maybe the man at arms at some point in his life fought for our family? Hence why he's wearing the uniform of our family's army?
7:18, Read the quotes. I would argue the MAA one confirms that.
@@Jaydee8652 he may be referring to the fact that he even deserted and left them for dead or they died and he was the only one left but it also might be the case
Who says it's actually wine in the goblet? The Crimson Court already has plenty of "wine" after all. Perhaps it's something less tainted but equally disgusting. As warriors they would know that rotting stench intimately and hate it all the same. Especially if they are covered in it.
Took me a while to realize who you remind me of. The Storyteller from Shoddycast's Fallout lore series. I approve. Carry on.
And you're correct. Big fan of the series as well.
The Ruins are basically Comic Con for the Undead and Undying
I think it just really sucks to have wine thrown all over your clothes and you get stressed thinking of how you're going to get that stain out.
NOOOOO THESE ARE DRY CLEAN ONLY!!!!!
The Occultists quote at 7:30 is actually a reference to how the character they are based off of (Abdul Alhazred) dies in one of H.P Lovecraft’s stories, the attention to detail and references in darkest dungeon A: pay homage to one of my favourite horror writers, and B: fleshes out the story of it, giving it more depth and it makes listening to it really fun.
What’s the name of the story
@@griffintattongeyer2949
HP Lovecraft's History of the Necronomicon which wasn't really a published piece but more of a personal document to reference in other stories. Abdul Al-Hazred is devoured by an invisible beast
My thinking is that Necromancer is both unholy and eldritch because of what animates him.
Long story short- my theory is that Necromancer has his mind intact because it's not just his soul animating his body. Something was put inside to "bolster" the effect of resurection, to give clarity of mind and inteligence to differentiate from common undead who can be resurected in bulk
And the ancestor did say he was able to revive him with much of his inflect witch wouldent make sense if he’s a novice because he also said it’s challenging for experienced necromancers to do that so how did a (admitly powerful) novice manage to replicate results still rare for high level experienced necros
@@sebastiangibson9671I mean, he did experiment with creating life and reanimating it for what can only be assumed to be decades, so I wonder how much of an actual “Novice” he would be
Loving these videos. Some of the best lore for Darkest Dungeon. I hope you continue lore for DD2 when that comes out!
8:58 this always left me with the question of, then how are we able to kill him?
I guess when he lost his mind he lost his immortality with it
Rasputin
I propose two possibilities. Either the corpse is burned down to ashes after the third kill to make sure. Or after all the resurrections the body is too damaged to be sucessfully revived.
Ancestor to prophet: wanna see me ruin the world?
Ancestor to descendant: wanna see me do it again?
ruin has come to our family...
you must fix it by going to the ruins
me: wait what?
The prophet isnt even really hostile to us, we come to kill him and he hides behind rubble and even warns us about the incoming rubble that falls upon our team caused by the ruckus of the fight.
His other moves are just screaming at us (we're hurting him)
Thanks, now I feel like a monster
He has a blight attack where he literally spits acid at the heroes.
@Tony that's him screaming at us, his spit is poisonous
@@lucasrafael2492 We are working for the bad guy.
I'm actually pretty sure the wine is blood, as the courtier clearly has blood (much lighter than wine) smeared all over its mouth
And that would make sense if it causes stress
I might binge your whole library of work on DD in one night. For real though this stuff is fantastic.
In a way I have got a thought of Prophet and why he was then dragged to see the Heart of the World: Perhaps he was supposed to be a sacrifice and as he managed to escape (as he had managed to get his left arm off the stock, he probably got quite a burst of adrenaline to achieve this and dexterity to run away) the Crawling Chaos was not pleased from having an immortal being sacrificed to run away.
But there is a problem: why Prophet wasn't recaptured? Perhaps the time was seriously running low on Ancestor and he had to turn into long term plan to send the letter to his heir.
I of course wanted to put my thought on this just to see would this thought get any winds to it's sail.
I love these so much, I hope you get around to the Crimson Court bosses!!
I really love these, plz do more, maybe the minibosses get their own vids either all together or separate. But I love these faction lore vids very inspirational for my campaign
The Cove next, please
i have a question what is the point of the ancestor to write the lettler to the heir or heiress i mean if he can listen to him went he was close and know that the ancestor doesnt want redemption even in the dead what is the point, maybe to curse all the lineage to the truth of the darkest dungeon but know we know that all world is suffering fot the heart of darkness so the heir and heiress know that they dont want to continue with the curse so what was the point?
Because the Ancestor wanted the Heir to fight, because the bloodshed and death could strengthen the Thing and accelerate it's birth. We know that the Ancestor doesn't care about anything but the satisfaction of his own selfish impulses, and after he became a Herald, his one remaining ambition was to see the Thing fully awakened. He doesn't really care if it's rebirth is supposedly inevitable, he wants it to happen NOW.
@@BaronVonMott ohhhh well that make more sense bring him to trick the heir or heiress with a fall sense of redemption.
PD: good name man
to be fair, that is probably some very old wine, I mean if some weird skeleton guy threw some old crypt wine at me, I would probably not like it much
That was a great watch, thanks!
I love it very much, hope it continues on like this. I hope for more modded class though.
Awsome vid !
Really well done series. 👏
I like this a lot. Have you considered branching out to other dark lore?
Are you referring to other Darkest Dungeon lore or other game lore? Cause the answer is yes to both.
@@MiskatonicMemorialist the latter as you are already doing the former.
Nice to hear.
I feel like it actually makes more sense that he did it earlier in his life as you need dead bodies to raise undead armies. So easier to just let the army grow...naturally...as it were. Let the toll of years provide the bodies neccessary so that project isn't too obvious while he is doing other things he needs to spend more resources hiding.
It would but there are issues with the Undead Army existing earlier. If he had an undead army, he wouldn't have needed to hire Brigads to reinforce his control? He wasn't a master in those early years so his skills wouldn't have been enough to raise the undead with their intelligence. Would he just have kept his army garrisoned in the Ruins for years? Even if he did raise them early, the only undead we see are skeletons, implying that enough time has passed for the flesh to decompose, and to top is off, majority of the undead are soldiers from the crypts, not villagers from the Hamlet,, those would be sent to the swine for food.
@@MiskatonicMemorialist he needed the brigands because he needed something in the mean time while he was trying to quietly raise an undead horde. He was already having trouble coming up with the hush money for the stuff that was only kinda suspect. What do you suppose it would cost to hush up a literal army of doom? So best to avoid having to make those payments at all and have the army grow... organically. After all who looks for where the bodies are going when there are supposedly other bigger concerns? Like civil unrest over how the tyrant lord is handling domestic issues?
To keep the undead army a secret? Probably nothing since he has the entire Ruins of his ancestral castle to house them. Assuming he had an iron grip on the town that the brigands secured him, he was in complete control. There was no point in needing to hide his more activities anymore. The financial cost of the excavation and paying the Brigands was burning the candle at both ends. He would eventually run out of money (again) and the Brigands would either leave or betray him. So he would need his own army loyal to him. The lion's share of reanimated bodies are from the crypts of ruins, his ancestral army, maybe some from the rabble, but only a few. Trying to grow the army from the recent dead seems unnecessary and unlikely given that he had other uses for the villagers. Ones that don't leave a corpse behind.
I may be mistaken but wasn't the implication that the Prophet was the head of the cultists?
Possibly however people wether or not they hear sermons self convert and for eldritch cultists they are usually smart enough to know a few chants
5:08 I bet it's blood.
Nice video. Well-meant, constructive feedback: I felt the voice sometimes a bit hard to understand.
Hey... Those soldiers. Man at arms clearly looks close to the general, we all know it but lower ranks...
Don't they look familiar to you? Are those the same men from MAA and Hellion memories from DD2?
Unlikely. Considering that the ruins were no longer in use already at the beginning of The Ancestors life it is more likely that in the DD world armors haven`t developed much between centuries.