I saw you in that 2nd aid station with your fiancée and I was considering DNFing myself, but seeing how upset you were really put it in to perspective and gave me the kick to carry on. The heat played a massive factor on the day and I was a bit surprised they didn’t enforce the heat mandatory kit. Glad you made it out in good health and all the best in future races
Glad my DNF'ing helped to spur you on haha! Hope your race went well afterwards. A lot of people were telling me it was the heat, but I knew it was something worse than heat exhaustion or heat stroke, which I've actually had before! I think the heat kit would of helped a lot of runners, from my experience, I think there is a big difference in event management and level of mountain and running experience in the runners at this race. Hope to see you at a race soon 🙏🏻
Great recap Benny, good to hear your thoughts on both the positives and negatives of the event. And that is a really good way to put it that the terrain 'attacks the body' - definitely agree with that!
It's more to do with a runners ability to read the weather, and take enough water with them. Just because they didn't enforce the hot weather, you can see most of it was needed anyway. Cap, sunglasses, sunscreen and extra water. I made the same mistake of not taking enough water from cp1 in 2023, took the next climb for granted, it's longer than expected, and warmer because it's enclosed. This year I filled up 2 litres from cp1 and it was fine. Used a litre to 1 and half on the climb, 500ml left for top and decent.
Pretty sure "Hyponatremia is when the level of sodium in your blood is lower than normal" not too much. I have found that the more sodium you take, the more salt you sweat (white marks) but that is not a sign that you are taking too much, its just a measure of the salt concentration in your sweat. I sweat a lot and have done the testing. The results suggest that amount of electrolyte I need on a hot day can be surprisingly large (1000-1500mg per hour), assuming you are drinking around 1 litre per hour. But of course its individual.
@@SimonBransfieldGarth interesting. Thanks for the info. It's funny because I couldn't find much on the internet a part from saying the inverse can happen too. But funny, I also did the sweat test and it recommended me to have the same as you, but I ended up with the symptoms of hyponatremia 😵💫
@@bennyytube Indeed. I am certainly no expert. Not sure if you have worked with them but Precision Hydration offer a free 20 minute online consultation (zoom). Its very good. When I asked them, they said you cannot really over salt in a race (unless you go completely mad) - you tend to sweat it out. So too little salt is generally the more problematic. But it might be worth talking to them. Any possibility it was actually something else with similar symptoms such as heat exhaustion?
@@SimonBransfieldGarth well, I didn't want to mention them, but that is who I spoke to and the products I used. Definitely not heat exhaustion as I have had that before.
Sorry for your unfortunate race experience. It's a bit of a heads-up for me because I have a race (two actually) in a week where the amount and balance of water to sodium is in question (high altitude, sun exposed, vert-heavy). It is possibly a cautionary tale on "preloading". It's too late in my training to do a "salt test" but I will do so in the future. And consider my salt intake during the race. Again, sorry it went badly for you. But thanks for sharing.
@@eric-running-to-chamonix hey! Thanks for the message. Yea, it's a real fine line and unfortunately I overloaded. Be careful not to take too much, check your ingredients before consuming and have a great race!
Sorry about the race. Am a bit confused because you put a thing up for hyponatremia then you were talking about having too much sodium?? Having DNF the 100km that day I was definitely hyponatremic. Having crusty white marks is a sign you have a reasonably high salt concentration in your blood which actually means you need to replace more than you think. E.g. i have 1500 night before and morning of race to load up then have to have 1000 per 300-500mls of fluid to keep electrolytes as balanced as possible. It was super hot that day so I do think you may have actually lost too much sodium through sweating. Have you considered getting sweat tested?
@@martinlambourne7880 hey, thanks for the comment! The topic is a bit confusing to me also as I read and spoke to some people that the inverse can be true also, having too much sodium. I took a sweat test and they said I have high levels of sweat and need to use the 1500mg. But every time I did, I head I had this 'drunk feeling' and would have the crusty white lines as a sign. So, I'm still doing some searching to find out all about it!
Sounds like a traumatic experience! Hopefully it hasn't put you off and you can make adjustments for future races. All the best 👍🏃♂️
@@markg99 thanks for the comment! No, it was only a learning experience I don't want to have again! Swiss Alps 100k is up next!
I saw you in that 2nd aid station with your fiancée and I was considering DNFing myself, but seeing how upset you were really put it in to perspective and gave me the kick to carry on. The heat played a massive factor on the day and I was a bit surprised they didn’t enforce the heat mandatory kit. Glad you made it out in good health and all the best in future races
Glad my DNF'ing helped to spur you on haha! Hope your race went well afterwards. A lot of people were telling me it was the heat, but I knew it was something worse than heat exhaustion or heat stroke, which I've actually had before! I think the heat kit would of helped a lot of runners, from my experience, I think there is a big difference in event management and level of mountain and running experience in the runners at this race. Hope to see you at a race soon 🙏🏻
Great recap Benny, good to hear your thoughts on both the positives and negatives of the event. And that is a really good way to put it that the terrain 'attacks the body' - definitely agree with that!
Cheers Ben! It's a hard one to explain, so happy it came across well 😃
Definitely not enough water station! Especially considering de heat on that day.
It's more to do with a runners ability to read the weather, and take enough water with them. Just because they didn't enforce the hot weather, you can see most of it was needed anyway. Cap, sunglasses, sunscreen and extra water. I made the same mistake of not taking enough water from cp1 in 2023, took the next climb for granted, it's longer than expected, and warmer because it's enclosed. This year I filled up 2 litres from cp1 and it was fine. Used a litre to 1 and half on the climb, 500ml left for top and decent.
Pretty sure "Hyponatremia is when the level of sodium in your blood is lower than normal" not too much. I have found that the more sodium you take, the more salt you sweat (white marks) but that is not a sign that you are taking too much, its just a measure of the salt concentration in your sweat. I sweat a lot and have done the testing. The results suggest that amount of electrolyte I need on a hot day can be surprisingly large (1000-1500mg per hour), assuming you are drinking around 1 litre per hour. But of course its individual.
@@SimonBransfieldGarth interesting. Thanks for the info. It's funny because I couldn't find much on the internet a part from saying the inverse can happen too. But funny, I also did the sweat test and it recommended me to have the same as you, but I ended up with the symptoms of hyponatremia 😵💫
@@bennyytube Indeed. I am certainly no expert. Not sure if you have worked with them but Precision Hydration offer a free 20 minute online consultation (zoom). Its very good. When I asked them, they said you cannot really over salt in a race (unless you go completely mad) - you tend to sweat it out. So too little salt is generally the more problematic. But it might be worth talking to them. Any possibility it was actually something else with similar symptoms such as heat exhaustion?
@@SimonBransfieldGarth well, I didn't want to mention them, but that is who I spoke to and the products I used. Definitely not heat exhaustion as I have had that before.
Sorry for your unfortunate race experience. It's a bit of a heads-up for me because I have a race (two actually) in a week where the amount and balance of water to sodium is in question (high altitude, sun exposed, vert-heavy). It is possibly a cautionary tale on "preloading". It's too late in my training to do a "salt test" but I will do so in the future. And consider my salt intake during the race. Again, sorry it went badly for you. But thanks for sharing.
@@eric-running-to-chamonix hey! Thanks for the message. Yea, it's a real fine line and unfortunately I overloaded. Be careful not to take too much, check your ingredients before consuming and have a great race!
Sorry about the race. Am a bit confused because you put a thing up for hyponatremia then you were talking about having too much sodium?? Having DNF the 100km that day I was definitely hyponatremic. Having crusty white marks is a sign you have a reasonably high salt concentration in your blood which actually means you need to replace more than you think. E.g. i have 1500 night before and morning of race to load up then have to have 1000 per 300-500mls of fluid to keep electrolytes as balanced as possible. It was super hot that day so I do think you may have actually lost too much sodium through sweating. Have you considered getting sweat tested?
@@martinlambourne7880 hey, thanks for the comment! The topic is a bit confusing to me also as I read and spoke to some people that the inverse can be true also, having too much sodium. I took a sweat test and they said I have high levels of sweat and need to use the 1500mg. But every time I did, I head I had this 'drunk feeling' and would have the crusty white lines as a sign. So, I'm still doing some searching to find out all about it!