So I'm not sure which one of these are the #1 reason the title mentions, but I'm going to write down the main pieces of advice - if only as notes for myself. 1) Against Yone, "hit the baseball" to deal with his mobility. A lot of movement and wiggling. 0:10 2) Never take an empty trade, ever. 1:40 3) Reel people out of tower. Repeated, first at 8:05 4) Link your cooldowns, especially on dives. 20:00 5) When you're melee vs melee and pushing, every minion has its price. Repeated, with elaboration at 32:07 Probably missed some, but I tried to cut out the situational and champion-specific advice, as well as the stuff that comes up every video (Narnia etc). The elaboration at 32 minutes is particularly informative.
Neace I managed to break my 4 or 5 year plateau of p2 with shit winrate by turning chat off, legit took me a month to hit d3 adc with 65% wr. Not sure if you talk with these people behind the scenes about any of that. By not typing and not tilting I started thinking about plays more and just did the % play time after time and respected people. Very easy and effective, at least on euw
@@duc2133 For me it was definitely mental issue. Climbing was fairly easy for me once I stopped tilting and dropped my ego. I also immediately hopped off main if a loss frustrated me or I felt like I just wasn't performing.
@@Rom3TV yeah I regularly get to plat 1 or plat 2 70 lp and then go on massive loss streaks. Either I’m just not at that level yet or there’s like a mental block idk what’s wrong with me
Great session. Though I think there were quite a few unnecessary backs. If you’re healthy and have decent mana, there is zero reason to back - Ornn’s ability to buy items in lane is soooo strong for catching tonnes of farm and punishing enemy backs
@@idkmanp9573 so you turned on your monitor, no complains, I meant the junglers that do nothing, are behind in farm and are also behind in ganks, because you as a jungler have seen them out there
@@MrLethalZero you have no idea how often I get grief for not fixing someone's lane. If I'm already top and they are freezing I don't mind coming up to fix your wave or if they are over extended I will but if you have a decent adc it's always better to strong side bot
I've been playing a lot of shyvana top just to get a feel for some of the match ups; and ever since the chill neace Ornn video I've been seeing a ton of them in my games. And he is a pain in the ass, so tanky. Unkillable once he gets some levels, even when you poke him down, he just heals over time and undoes all the hard work. Builds items in lane, and just takes up space. It's annoying to deal with, he's so damn tanky
i dont give a fuck how tanky he is,what i hate about him how much dmg he deals for someone going literall full tank,his dmg is absurdly high,like broken high but he is so boring and has no playrate so he flies under radar but if ever all champions get nerfed that are problem he is next in line but until then he will fly under radar for long time.
@@georgelucas8772 I do agree, he does a ton of damage on top of being tanky; not only does he outdamage you simply as a stat check ability dump, but he also does it while knocking you up ending your damage output momentarily. The one thing I specifically don't like about the interaction, his knock up works behind his pillar. I feel like I've dodged his attack, stayed beyond the range of his Q, safely navigated the lane. And he dashed and knocks up on the pillar, the aoe reaches beyond the pillar, and I still get knocked up and punished for it. I do t like that interaction, every time I feel like it should be limited to the space between the dash and a piece of terrain, or a champion he makes contact with. I feel so cheated every time it catches me well behind the pillar and the end of his dash knock up
@@xiariser-213 I mean he's blowing up a tower of rock I expect it to be a feature to reach behind it mostly. You know? Like a bunch of rocks getting knocked down?
there is a combo with ornn to get triple brittle procs and it one shots almost and champ. and you can only to it if you land q but it is Q R1 E R1 auto W auto and it catches a lot of players off guard and very strong in 1v1s because they are cc the only time you are killing them
honestly feels like mandatory to learn as ornn next to his Q W E auto grasp proc combo. Ornn feels underwhelming if you dont chain his abilities together unless you're gigafed
Can't place the exact songs/albums here but sounds a lot like Cloudkicker or Scale The Summit. If you like them I'd also check out Animals as Leaders and Periphery. If you like sexy guitar I'd also check out Polyphia.
Great video, the confidence issue I can identify with on Caitlyn. Really like your advice at the end that even if you don't feel confident just take the leap of faith in the concepts and the game will reward you. :)
Why is every Ornn player so passive in lane ? Like bro you're playing champion that can kill people with full combo, why are you afraid to hit people ?
One thing that really saw a jump in my Ornn lane pressure is learning his full ult combo. The Q R E (knock up while R comes) R (recast) Auto (ult brittle) W Auto (W brittle).
you can sneak an extra auto between e and r2 if you time it right as well. not too impactful if you're glacial or spellbook, but it allows you to get an extra grasp off otherwise. definitely a practice tool moment though
Can't place the exact songs/albums here but sounds a lot like Cloudkicker or Scale The Summit. If you like them I'd also check out Animals as Leaders and Periphery. If you like sexy guitar I'd also check out Polyphia.
@@moustachescarz 100% yes please! There are some Champions like Kled R that also needs to be updated. If i Ping my R as Kled it should show who all is in range like Nocs and TF's R.
It is kinda true, these Champions bank a lot on having no interaction or not being possible to trade back against. But that also means they can lack control over a game and sorta just take what's in front of them, presented, because being pro active means getting out of that comfort "i can poke, you can't, hiihi" zone.
Reason I lose my gold games: vi forcibly steals my jungle role. Dives top with no minions lvl 2 . Goes 0/7. Blames team. Afk’s in base and spams n word. Like wtf is this shit. Never play past 12am if you care about LP
How did he not build a single mr item when that's like 80% of what killing him with zyra liss, yes ik about sides but you are useless if either of those two are present
Can't place the exact songs/albums here but sounds a lot like Cloudkicker or Scale The Summit. If you like them I'd also check out Animals as Leaders and Periphery. If you like sexy guitar I'd also check out Polyphia.
bah peoples who learn champs are always a bit clunky in lanes. Im gold 3 and just kicked a D1 cass butt top lane 45 mins ago (It was clearly new to him). Peoples over estimate the skill gap from divisions when peoples arent playing champs they know well. Like.. Im most likely low plat/mid gold with my mains but im most likely bronze 1-2 on champs I never played laning wise.
“Zyra is anti us, but we don’t want to start building vs her.” I don’t understand this. I understand the zyra anti us part, but why not build vs it??? Building a force of nature there would be great.
Totally agree, Force and mercury treads would have been enough, then build all the armor you want..... with this much AP/CC on the enemy team this loss can be attributed to wrong build
Ideally he shouldn’t have to be dealing with Zyra too much, is my assumption. If he’s splitting and dealing with Yone, as he had primarily been doing up to that point in the game, there’s no reason to itemize against Zyra. Later for sure, but at that moment in time, which might be what he was getting at.
@@Terrivel119 thing is, I was getting vibes from that zyra that she wanted to spread their lead in bot lane to the rest of the map, so it might have been best to prioritize the game state over the lane dominance. Basically, concede that zyra was something that needed to be dealt with... I mean he did get fucked by her again after that... and the lissandra. I just think Force could have been built before the frozen heart and maybe even before finishing the thornmail, since he had a bramble already.
@@coreymcnaught This is true, and I agree with you, I'm just trying to reason why Neace might have said/had him do that. He's the coach after all, not me. I'm just a bronze scrub.
Wish I could lose gold games, but I lose silver games. My teams always troll, believe me or not. I had a botlaner that was all in 24/7 and ended the game with everyone being ok but him (2-23) and his duo (5-17)
Some games are unwinnable, but you shouldn't blame your team. You should be asking yourself "What could have I done better?". My advice to get better is to mute chat and rewatch your matches. Also, having more kills doesn't mean you're better. You could be a 2/23/0 Ashe and still support your team with the hawk shot for vision and your cc, for example.
So I'm not sure which one of these are the #1 reason the title mentions, but I'm going to write down the main pieces of advice - if only as notes for myself.
1) Against Yone, "hit the baseball" to deal with his mobility. A lot of movement and wiggling. 0:10
2) Never take an empty trade, ever. 1:40
3) Reel people out of tower. Repeated, first at 8:05
4) Link your cooldowns, especially on dives. 20:00
5) When you're melee vs melee and pushing, every minion has its price. Repeated, with elaboration at 32:07
Probably missed some, but I tried to cut out the situational and champion-specific advice, as well as the stuff that comes up every video (Narnia etc). The elaboration at 32 minutes is particularly informative.
Smart aggression when winning lane is a general one
Neace I managed to break my 4 or 5 year plateau of p2 with shit winrate by turning chat off, legit took me a month to hit d3 adc with 65% wr. Not sure if you talk with these people behind the scenes about any of that. By not typing and not tilting I started thinking about plays more and just did the % play time after time and respected people.
Very easy and effective, at least on euw
Good to hear it man!!! What is your goal in ranked?
I’m gonna try this, I’ve been hardstuck plat for 5 years as well, everytime I get around p1 it gets toxic
@@duc2133 For me it was definitely mental issue.
Climbing was fairly easy for me once I stopped tilting and dropped my ego. I also immediately hopped off main if a loss frustrated me or I felt like I just wasn't performing.
@@Rom3TV yeah I regularly get to plat 1 or plat 2 70 lp and then go on massive loss streaks. Either I’m just not at that level yet or there’s like a mental block idk what’s wrong with me
EUW is super toxic hehe
I love when Neace uses the Narnia line. “Why you walking to Narnia” gets me every time. Keep up the great work bro. We appreciate you
"Every minion has a price" - Neace 2022
Great session. Though I think there were quite a few unnecessary backs. If you’re healthy and have decent mana, there is zero reason to back - Ornn’s ability to buy items in lane is soooo strong for catching tonnes of farm and punishing enemy backs
Sometimes the biggest top diff is who gets the bot lane with functioning brains, followed by who gets a juggler with the monitor turned on
I love seeing top laners complaining cuz I wesk sided top even though my adc is 6/0 and we have 3 dragons
@@idkmanp9573 so you turned on your monitor, no complains, I meant the junglers that do nothing, are behind in farm and are also behind in ganks, because you as a jungler have seen them out there
@@MrLethalZero you have no idea how often I get grief for not fixing someone's lane. If I'm already top and they are freezing I don't mind coming up to fix your wave or if they are over extended I will but if you have a decent adc it's always better to strong side bot
This session went so well as far as the learning experience for not only the student but viewers as well. Great job on this one.
Great idea, but I believe you are mistaken. The reason I lose my gold games is that I play ghost cleanse nunu
Neace pls tell me the playlist of this video. Liked this coaching alot and the music too.
I've been playing a lot of shyvana top just to get a feel for some of the match ups; and ever since the chill neace Ornn video I've been seeing a ton of them in my games.
And he is a pain in the ass, so tanky. Unkillable once he gets some levels, even when you poke him down, he just heals over time and undoes all the hard work. Builds items in lane, and just takes up space.
It's annoying to deal with, he's so damn tanky
i dont give a fuck how tanky he is,what i hate about him how much dmg he deals for someone going literall full tank,his dmg is absurdly high,like broken high but he is so boring and has no playrate so he flies under radar but if ever all champions get nerfed that are problem he is next in line but until then he will fly under radar for long time.
@@georgelucas8772 I do agree, he does a ton of damage on top of being tanky; not only does he outdamage you simply as a stat check ability dump, but he also does it while knocking you up ending your damage output momentarily.
The one thing I specifically don't like about the interaction, his knock up works behind his pillar.
I feel like I've dodged his attack, stayed beyond the range of his Q, safely navigated the lane. And he dashed and knocks up on the pillar, the aoe reaches beyond the pillar, and I still get knocked up and punished for it.
I do t like that interaction, every time I feel like it should be limited to the space between the dash and a piece of terrain, or a champion he makes contact with.
I feel so cheated every time it catches me well behind the pillar and the end of his dash knock up
@@xiariser-213 Hitboxes in League. Sadly more often than not misrepresented visually for no reason.
@@xiariser-213 like if it hits you "here" SHOW it visually to make it obvious it hits "here" - basic design ffs
@@xiariser-213 I mean he's blowing up a tower of rock I expect it to be a feature to reach behind it mostly. You know? Like a bunch of rocks getting knocked down?
He didn't take advantage of crafting items in lane at all. Could have pressed his advantage even more
25:30 what's the idea behind not contesting soul and splitting top here?
there is a combo with ornn to get triple brittle procs and it one shots almost and champ. and you can only to it if you land q but it is Q R1 E R1 auto W auto and it catches a lot of players off guard and very strong in 1v1s because they are cc the only time you are killing them
honestly feels like mandatory to learn as ornn next to his Q W E auto grasp proc combo. Ornn feels underwhelming if you dont chain his abilities together unless you're gigafed
19:49
The music makes the coaching seem so much more focused and intensive.
whats the music playing in the backgroun ?
@@themanchorian6736 Genre? Rock. The title of the music? I've got no idea, most likely from a sound creator site like artlist or epidemic sound.
Can't place the exact songs/albums here but sounds a lot like Cloudkicker or Scale The Summit. If you like them I'd also check out Animals as Leaders and Periphery. If you like sexy guitar I'd also check out Polyphia.
@@natibot A bit harder than Rock 😂
@@MrMakoto2 You're referring to metal. But that's a sub-genre of rock lol. It's still rock... I love rock...
Great video, the confidence issue I can identify with on Caitlyn. Really like your advice at the end that even if you don't feel confident just take the leap of faith in the concepts and the game will reward you. :)
“Oh it’s Japanese I’m dumb”
“Yeah”
Why is every Ornn player so passive in lane ?
Like bro you're playing champion that can kill people with full combo, why are you afraid to hit people ?
One thing that really saw a jump in my Ornn lane pressure is learning his full ult combo. The Q R E (knock up while R comes) R (recast) Auto (ult brittle) W Auto (W brittle).
you can sneak an extra auto between e and r2 if you time it right as well. not too impactful if you're glacial or spellbook, but it allows you to get an extra grasp off otherwise. definitely a practice tool moment though
Recently came back to League and found your channel, I love watching these videos since I can learn from them too!
What's the sound track around minute 19? It slaps.
Can't place the exact songs/albums here but sounds a lot like Cloudkicker or Scale The Summit. If you like them I'd also check out Animals as Leaders and Periphery. If you like sexy guitar I'd also check out Polyphia.
The outro song is in the description but what about the first one? I really liked it
What song is playing at the 9:00 minute mark?
14:10 Perfect music timing.
This is the #1 reason you lose your Gold games: accidentally selling Thornmail before leaving base
At 12:35 i didnt know you could open up shop to buy an item, always thought you had to pick from the ones listed. . .
rly xD
@@moustachescarz yes really! small details!
Aw that’s so adorable haha
maybe they could add clarity by adding a button that takes you to shop on that bar
@@moustachescarz 100% yes please! There are some Champions like Kled R that also needs to be updated. If i Ping my R as Kled it should show who all is in range like Nocs and TF's R.
My favorite neace-ism, “ why we walking to narnia?”
Really appreciate the video .I would like further demonstration on how to use actual tutorial in soft to make soft .
whats the playing music behind with the guitar ?
definitely digging the background music lately.
Anyone know the background song playing?
When he said "you main xerath and syndra so you don't know how to lane" that hurt me as a main xerath lol
It is kinda true, these Champions bank a lot on having no interaction or not being possible to trade back against. But that also means they can lack control over a game and sorta just take what's in front of them, presented, because being pro active means getting out of that comfort "i can poke, you can't, hiihi" zone.
Loved the music in this video. More music like this! Keep it up, banger video.
Reason I lose my gold games: vi forcibly steals my jungle role. Dives top with no minions lvl 2 . Goes 0/7. Blames team. Afk’s in base and spams n word.
Like wtf is this shit. Never play past 12am if you care about LP
MeSoooThorny is a great name haha, Stepbrother I'm stuck in this rose bush
EVERY MINION SHOULD HAVE A PRICE. 10:30
good music choice by neace
19:42 he just messed the combo its Q R walk back E into the Q W auto
E into the piller *
Loving the metal soundtrack
I lose my silver games because I suck at the game and should really just uninstall it.
This is what bot looks like every game…. Party in top lane!
How did he not build a single mr item when that's like 80% of what killing him with zyra liss, yes ik about sides but you are useless if either of those two are present
Watched this video for the music as much as the commentary!
Can't place the exact songs/albums here but sounds a lot like Cloudkicker or Scale The Summit. If you like them I'd also check out Animals as Leaders and Periphery. If you like sexy guitar I'd also check out Polyphia.
Keep up the hard work man. And all y’all turn on notifications. Don’t be a peeping teemo
Why is He never buillding Items during bis down time early?
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Could’ve killed Yone 2-3 times during laningphase up till level 6…..really a shame these gold players.
I would guess he plays alot of different champions instead of focusing on 2-3 only aka he doesn't know his champions limits
bah peoples who learn champs are always a bit clunky in lanes. Im gold 3 and just kicked a D1 cass butt top lane 45 mins ago (It was clearly new to him). Peoples over estimate the skill gap from divisions when peoples arent playing champs they know well. Like.. Im most likely low plat/mid gold with my mains but im most likely bronze 1-2 on champs I never played laning wise.
ina would be proud of this takodachi mhm mhm
Neace why are you having him max his q? W max is the meta and imo very clearly better
Skill to max first depends on matchup.
'Reset as ornn' xD
Full hp btw
wow, i'm bronze but this video made me believe i could be gold with my ornn.
“Zyra is anti us, but we don’t want to start building vs her.” I don’t understand this. I understand the zyra anti us part, but why not build vs it??? Building a force of nature there would be great.
Totally agree, Force and mercury treads would have been enough, then build all the armor you want..... with this much AP/CC on the enemy team this loss can be attributed to wrong build
Ideally he shouldn’t have to be dealing with Zyra too much, is my assumption. If he’s splitting and dealing with Yone, as he had primarily been doing up to that point in the game, there’s no reason to itemize against Zyra. Later for sure, but at that moment in time, which might be what he was getting at.
@@Terrivel119 thing is, I was getting vibes from that zyra that she wanted to spread their lead in bot lane to the rest of the map, so it might have been best to prioritize the game state over the lane dominance. Basically, concede that zyra was something that needed to be dealt with... I mean he did get fucked by her again after that... and the lissandra. I just think Force could have been built before the frozen heart and maybe even before finishing the thornmail, since he had a bramble already.
@@coreymcnaught This is true, and I agree with you, I'm just trying to reason why Neace might have said/had him do that. He's the coach after all, not me. I'm just a bronze scrub.
@@coreymcnaught yep, that what I do after stomping bot. However she miss played a few times while she was on screen.
Buying boots in the bush? How?
9:20 he easy 100 to 0 him with Full combo and ignite and minions doesnt he?
Yone just needs to ult him or ult away!
@@Haustark if he ult him just w backwards u dont get knocked up and brittle him and kill him. if he ults back he loses minions
@@stef2304 or he just uses e, walks backwards and goes back to his soul link. He could if he made yone use his e.
Bro Tarzaned is currently streaming your content on his twitch stream. He is saying your coaching is trash and not worth the money.
how many #1 reasons can there be?
i just hate the fact, these dudes alwways buy pink. neace told them or they just think its good.... but they never PLACE it. hate it
Interesting video but have u considered buying $BBBY ? 🚀🚀🚀
I lose my bronze games neace its a very high elo
I played with that Ornn today. He's a xerath main, but was playing Vel'Koz.
Ornn has crazy good damage and is tanky as hell doesn't make sense
It's because of high % hp damage from brittle proc.
How am i in bronze if this is gold 😭
orn gameplay with metal music
worthy of your sub?
@@NEACE you know what? yes ...you HAVE helped me
I was getting anxiety with the client holding ignite in top of lissandra
Day 43 of convincing Neace he is a Teemo one trick
kinda wonderin how dedicated you are about this and how long you will keep posting it 😂
Wish I could lose gold games, but I lose silver games.
My teams always troll, believe me or not.
I had a botlaner that was all in 24/7 and ended the game with everyone being ok but him (2-23) and his duo (5-17)
@@v0yager2 most of the gamed
I lost yesterday, yes :)
Some games are unwinnable, but you shouldn't blame your team. You should be asking yourself "What could have I done better?". My advice to get better is to mute chat and rewatch your matches.
Also, having more kills doesn't mean you're better. You could be a 2/23/0 Ashe and still support your team with the hawk shot for vision and your cc, for example.
comnt for posterity.
if this guy is g1 im rank 1 NA
ORNN GAME LETS GOOOOO
No its because I afk 💅🏼
Orn horn
Noob
why does everyone say bami's like the "a" makes a short "o" sound. its not bommy's its bami's.
It’s an “ah” sound like Bali.
@@quickfingers5979 says who?
@@MattMajcan Better question: Who are you to be saying any different?
@@MrL1193 im a person, with an opinion
@@MattMajcan lmao but you here telling others to have your opinion. Gtfo
First or whatever
Having him shrink the mini map and didn’t go with the classic HUD to zero request lol
program na drop down nu wNice tutorialch lists all the different app softs. For so reason it makes the default "Agressive TE" make sure