Hi John, have been watching your videos for the last 9 months. I farm 900 acres of irrigation in Victoria, Australia. I have had some "hard pan" issues, which I was told I could only resolve with deep tillage. I typically till to no more than 6-8", which also incorporates about 4 tons of lime and 12 c/m of chicken litter. Those hard pan issues were only resolved after a legume crop (faba beans) was grown. The following crop of wheat yielded 12t/ha, across the whole paddock. The yield gains on that soil has been maintained for the last 5 years. I have maintained this rotation of brasica, cereal, legume, cereal, for the last 6 years. I embarked on this rotation after researching the ability of legumes ( but not alfalfa) to produce large quantities of hydrogen. The theory at the time was that hydrogen was not a fertiliser, but "turbocharged" microbial activity. Any thoughts on that?
Look up talks from Gabe Brown who overcomes compaction of heavy equipment using selected covers. He swears by Daikon Radish to be seeded and left rot as future organic matter. This radish will punch through most hardpan. Tillage is acceptable if you use it sparingly which is not seasonally. Gabe uses crimping as principle cover crop termination and then seeds through it with a modified v-disk if memory serves. He can get an arm to the shoulder deep in soil and only his tram lines are compacted
Excellent conversation! This very group of individuals has had an enormous impact on the way I farm and how I talk about managing land. Our pilot agroforestry site has been largely designed with Christine's public advice in mind. Everything revolves around supporting biodiverse plant communities to restore degraded soil. Along with our first time putting sap analysis into a foliar program, I think we are just beginning to see results. Thank you!
Great conversation! Was sad that it had to end. We think alot about planting different cash crops together to harvest together to substitute the absence of some cover crops. Like seeding wheat,field-peas and canola together. Harvest them together then separate the grain later. Someone should get Christene and pin a mic to her for the rest of the month! 😂
Wow, thank you. This is my best education ever in such a short time commitment! I am so sadden that Christine is going to retire for good. She is beyond amazing so so knowledgable. I hope she is going to write a book.... please, please. I would pay for it in advance. Thank you John!
I started stressing out because your open made me think she had passed away. Now my upset she’s retiring. My family is so early on our journey to turn a very trashed piece of land into a regenerative type farm to feed ourselves and my future grandkids and my community. We started as non farmers eating processed food and in 5 years we’ve learned and done so much from you and her and everyone else in this field. I am 40 and have heard nothing but doom and gloom my entire life. Learning about nutrition for me and my plants and how it effects the environment has given me hope for the first time in my life. Thank you for all you do.
Whoa what an amazing historic gathering! Was any of it recorded for the wisdom and history? Christine is the best thought creator. James is finding how right Christine has been for a long time.
@@AlSwearengen4where is your home base. Seems like I have heard you speak near here in KS a few years back. Dennis... wow 9 billion microorganisms within a bean seed....that idea certainly expands the definition of microbiome. Is that involved in epigenetics. APPARENTLY...
Reminds me of a couple of farmers recounting what each one interpreted after a particularly good farm discussion meeting. Excellent podcast, thank you.
Very interesting. We have lots of changes in the wild plants growing here this year. Lots of chicory and lots of purslane, fennel, dandelions we usually always get these but more this year, and red fescue and some other grasses. Lots of onion grass. We have less nettles, lambs quater etc but they are still present too but the amount of purslane is off the scale this year. Its delicious so not a problem and it grows low so is covering the soil from the baking UV. This podcast goes someway to helping me understand why we have these changes. Its.been a drought year so makes sense there are more deep rooting plants
Two regenerative giants discussing the insights they gleaned from other regenerative giants. Wow. Your enthusiasm reminds me of what the first century disciples of Jesus must have felt when they got together and reflected on the lessons they learned from the Master. Thank you both for sharing what you do so well! Your enthusiasm is infectious.
Reminds me of 'Fertility Farming - Newman Turner -- 1951'. Which introduced the idea of weeds as a cover crop, now there's a topic for John Kempf "Weeds The Ideal Cover Crop" 🙂
Hi John, Fantastic podcast. I can't grow cover crops with less that Christine's 4 groups (Grasses, Legumes, low (shallow rooted) herbs and tall (deep rooted) herbs, without feeling I've missed an opportunity! She talks about an research experiment comparing ryegrass with a 4-way mix where it is demonstrated that diversity can replace 200 kg on Nitrogen fertilizer. In other words, fertilizer is a poor (and very expensive!) substitute for diversity!!! Can you provide a link for the "Manokam"? farm diversity experiment - I would like to understand exactly what spices they combined. Thanks for your terrific output over the last few months. Jon.
Thanks will consider the legume information. My observation here is when a farms sward is where a forest once stood then that's not a natural grassland. The soil tends to be very winter wet. Where a forb dominant crop has been put in for grazing animals in this environment then pugging occurs easily because of the lack of dense surface rooting that the absent grasses could have provided so the upper soil level is poorly supported, and protected from heavy cattle stocking. There are relatively few sward species mostly cool season grasses introduced to NZ. Any suggestions?
Has anyone found the list of plant groups they were musing about? Would love to see that. Planting a summer mix tomorrow of sorghum sudan, buckwheat, crimson clover, ladino clover and maybe some rye because I have it.
I have learned so much from these podcasts. When people see my garden, they see a mess. I see diversity and abundance.
Great conversation!!!
Don't be shy about discussions more advanced than "basics for beginners", some of us are actively looking for more advanced fare.
I am deeply saddened that we will hear no more from Christine but I am so grateful for everything she has taught us. The rest is up to us.
Hi John, have been watching your videos for the last 9 months.
I farm 900 acres of irrigation in Victoria, Australia.
I have had some "hard pan" issues, which I was told I could only resolve with deep tillage.
I typically till to no more than 6-8", which also incorporates about 4 tons of lime and 12 c/m of chicken litter.
Those hard pan issues were only resolved after a legume crop (faba beans) was grown.
The following crop of wheat yielded 12t/ha, across the whole paddock.
The yield gains on that soil has been maintained for the last 5 years.
I have maintained this rotation of brasica, cereal, legume, cereal, for the last 6 years.
I embarked on this rotation after researching the ability of legumes ( but not alfalfa) to produce large quantities of hydrogen.
The theory at the time was that hydrogen was not a fertiliser, but "turbocharged" microbial activity.
Any thoughts on that?
Look up talks from Gabe Brown who overcomes compaction of heavy equipment using selected covers. He swears by Daikon Radish to be seeded and left rot as future organic matter. This radish will punch through most hardpan. Tillage is acceptable if you use it sparingly which is not seasonally. Gabe uses crimping as principle cover crop termination and then seeds through it with a modified v-disk if memory serves. He can get an arm to the shoulder deep in soil and only his tram lines are compacted
Excellent conversation! This very group of individuals has had an enormous impact on the way I farm and how I talk about managing land. Our pilot agroforestry site has been largely designed with Christine's public advice in mind. Everything revolves around supporting biodiverse plant communities to restore degraded soil. Along with our first time putting sap analysis into a foliar program, I think we are just beginning to see results. Thank you!
What is the name of your project and how can we learn more about it?
This is next level. . My partner has been breeding and selecting nitrogen fixing field corn for over ten years, so this resonates with us.
That is great! I will be experimenting with some of Walter Goldstein's corn this year. I'd love to learn more about what your partner is up to!
Great conversation! Was sad that it had to end.
We think alot about planting different cash crops together to harvest together to substitute the absence of some cover crops.
Like seeding wheat,field-peas and canola together. Harvest them together then separate the grain later.
Someone should get Christene and pin a mic to her for the rest of the month! 😂
Wow, thank you. This is my best education ever in such a short time commitment! I am so sadden that Christine is going to retire for good. She is beyond amazing so so knowledgable. I hope she is going to write a book.... please, please. I would pay for it in advance. Thank you John!
I hope someone was able to record some of the conversations was able to be recorded.
I started stressing out because your open made me think she had passed away. Now my upset she’s retiring. My family is so early on our journey to turn a very trashed piece of land into a regenerative type farm to feed ourselves and my future grandkids and my community. We started as non farmers eating processed food and in 5 years we’ve learned and done so much from you and her and everyone else in this field. I am 40 and have heard nothing but doom and gloom my entire life. Learning about nutrition for me and my plants and how it effects the environment has given me hope for the first time in my life. Thank you for all you do.
Agree. Listening to John and his guests gives me hope for the future of humanity and the earth.
I thought the same (that Christine Jones had passed)!
I'm glad I found your comment. I thought the same thing as well! I couldn't continue listening because I was looking up what happened
Whoa what an amazing historic gathering! Was any of it recorded for the wisdom and history? Christine is the best thought creator. James is finding how right Christine has been for a long time.
@@AlSwearengen4where is your home base. Seems like I have heard you speak near here in KS a few years back. Dennis... wow 9 billion microorganisms within a bean seed....that idea certainly expands the definition of microbiome. Is that involved in epigenetics. APPARENTLY...
Reminds me of a couple of farmers recounting what each one interpreted after a particularly good farm discussion meeting. Excellent podcast, thank you.
I agree with the tillage point made here. Mindful tillage!
Please tell me y'all recorded that event?
Very interesting. We have lots of changes in the wild plants growing here this year. Lots of chicory and lots of purslane, fennel, dandelions we usually always get these but more this year, and red fescue and some other grasses. Lots of onion grass. We have less nettles, lambs quater etc but they are still present too but the amount of purslane is off the scale this year. Its delicious so not a problem and it grows low so is covering the soil from the baking UV.
This podcast goes someway to helping me understand why we have these changes. Its.been a drought year so makes sense there are more deep rooting plants
Two regenerative giants discussing the insights they gleaned from other regenerative giants. Wow.
Your enthusiasm reminds me of what the first century disciples of Jesus must have felt when they got together and reflected on the lessons they learned from the Master.
Thank you both for sharing what you do so well! Your enthusiasm is infectious.
Reminds me of 'Fertility Farming - Newman Turner -- 1951'. Which introduced the idea of weeds as a cover crop, now there's a topic for John Kempf "Weeds The Ideal Cover Crop" 🙂
You all should look at a farm that inter-seeds organic row crops for soil building and weed suppression instead of crimping. Fresh Starts Farm :)
What I wouldn't give to have been part of the group at the farm that day!
Hi John, Fantastic podcast. I can't grow cover crops with less that Christine's 4 groups (Grasses, Legumes, low (shallow rooted) herbs and tall (deep rooted) herbs, without feeling I've missed an opportunity! She talks about an research experiment comparing ryegrass with a 4-way mix where it is demonstrated that diversity can replace 200 kg on Nitrogen fertilizer. In other words, fertilizer is a poor (and very expensive!) substitute for diversity!!!
Can you provide a link for the "Manokam"? farm diversity experiment - I would like to understand exactly what spices they combined. Thanks for your terrific output over the last few months. Jon.
Thanks will consider the legume information. My observation here is when a farms sward is where a forest once stood then that's not a natural grassland. The soil tends to be very winter wet. Where a forb dominant crop has been put in for grazing animals in this environment then pugging occurs easily because of the lack of dense surface rooting that the absent grasses could have provided so the upper soil level is poorly supported, and protected from heavy cattle stocking. There are relatively few sward species mostly cool season grasses introduced to NZ. Any suggestions?
Has anyone found the list of plant groups they were musing about? Would love to see that. Planting a summer mix tomorrow of sorghum sudan, buckwheat, crimson clover, ladino clover and maybe some rye because I have it.
Wondering why everyone crimps instead of flail mows
Can someone please tell me what “pheneagrig’ is and what the correct spelling is of this plant so I can track it down in NZ
Fenugreek
What I would have given for an invite to that event...
Isn't fenugreek a legume?
Well deserved retirement for Dr. Christine Jones!
Two boys talking about a girl.
This is my kind of type 😂