Yes I lost my job, financially in debt crippled with bad health lost my home. Everything ! But one thing I do still have (Which is so so strong and v v imp) My kid's love and respect !
CNXG - I found out the narcs can put so much stress on a victim to cause the adult body to develop cystic acne. I have to admit it happened to me. I thought it was adult acne. Not true. So much stress my body I was breaking down. Since I went no contact my face cleared straight up. Just having that shit occur...acne was a horrible thing. Keep up the great information flowin'.
23 Psalm omg that’s what’s been happening to me... never had acne other than the odd spot but since we live together my skin developed cystic acne! He said he’s leaving soon I’m in limbo.
Mine didn't have the guts to. He waited until I had finished remodeling his house....we got in a huge fight.....he said I hit him in the back and "accidentally " busted my mouth and bruised my face. He didn't even get out of bed to check on me! This was 2 months before we were getting married!!!! How was I supposed to let that little "accident " be ok? Then he moved on 2 months after that!!! Was in a Facebook relationship in DECEMBER!!!!! This has still got my head spinning.....but I'm trying to get better.
I love your videos David, you have an awesome speaking voice and you get your thoughts out well. I like how raw you are too, you don't sugar coat anything. You really know what you're talking about. Keep up the good work.
Emotional dysregulation. Great video and the one I would add of the many you describe very well is emotional dysregulation. It is self explanatory but people need to understand that it comes from the black and White thinking and the splitting from the narcissist's mind. Your emotional strings are being played like a graph from an audio frequency. They say they love you yet obviously abuse you, you try and please them and they get angry as if you do wrong. They are guilty yet blame you. They idealise you then devalue you(the longer game). They criticise you but they live in a glass house. They even act omnipotent but have fragile egos. They pretend to have compassionate empathy yet have none. They hate someone but act nce to their face. Pretend to help you yet are spreading a smear Campaign. They act nice before a discard. They claim they are generous but only take.They cheat and blame you. They let you do all the work only to take all the credit. They abuse but claim they are the victim. They pretend to love you but have no positive emotions(none whatsoever). They push and pull. They claim they do all the work yet are lazy. It is in fact in everything they do.This contradictory behaviour with increased abuse with gradually less reward is the basis for making a victim addicted to their controlling behaviour and the brainwashing tactics to make a victim submit and lose Control desparately grasping for just a small sign of the good times again. if you have a narc parent it is probable that you have already been conditioned that abuse is love(it doesn't matter if it was physical, psychological or sexual abuse) and meeting the narc will just put you straight back into the fog of impaired decision making, destruction of critical thinking and cognitive dissonence caused by the dysregulation from their black and White mentality. To stop this no Contact and mindfulness is key.
Thanks. I Think understanding this helps predict their behaviour. If they act nice they are plotting evil with your family and friends. Give you something, they are stealing something else etc etc. It is often the literal opposite.Someone wrote that their Young Child described living with a narc was like living in topsy turvy land and that I Think is the best way to put it. Sadly it's a lot more sinister than that..
A mistake I made waas thinking that it would take a long time to dysregulate me again if I had to deal with my X and the truth is it doesn't take long at all.
One other term you will hear in narcissistic discussion is " mind fuckery" . Basically gas lighting or crazy making. Great vid David good to see ya, keep'em coming.
Thanks so much for these videos..I feel I am empowered know so I can go NC and end this madness..you're the best. I'm 65..been married to 2 Narcs and this current relationship, was truly demonic..all 3 of them searched me out..as if they knew I was the perfect victim. This will not happen again.
Gretchen Roberson Thank you Gretchen, please go no contact as soon as possible. If you need someone to help you please email me crazynarcissistxgirlfriend@gmail.com
Gretchen Roberson....I'm also in my 60's & my 2 Loves were absolute narcissistic fuckers....It got so bad w/ the one I married...I was able to RUN for my mental & emotional well-being..& got away (kids grown & gone..."Time to Leave".. BUT.....DammIt...got caught by the most narcissistic abuser...10 yrs.!!! But ..w/ the grace of God...I was able to escape to another State...& really implement No Contact..!! Now I just feel numb, really wary of falling into another mistake....maybe like you... seem to attract Narcs... highly empathic people r like minnows in the Narc shark tank....I'm single & feeling alright about it . Now I feel like
Sometimes and I did it here lately...I forget to have boundaries cuz I just want to be myself but u cant cuz there are sharks out there. I'm just a nice person who wants to believe people are giving and caring. I feel myself slowly going back to no boundaries and then I get mad at myself for lowering my boundaries esp at work.
Great video again David and a perfect resource for people just starting this process - the lingo is definitely important to validate what we've gone through!
You are right. I tried to date afterwards and it does not work. i started a google plus & i went on dating sites i was so desperate to find a way to get over him & to forget everything that happened, that i jumped into more unhealthy relationships its so true how we attract more predators when we lack self love, plus it isnt fair to the other person because your still so wounded & in a way then they become your victim cuz your just trying to be comforted. Bringing the past into the present is not healthy. So i made a personal decision and stopped everything online and face things on my own and process it all. i was recently hoovred back in & i am so thankful that i saw through it this time. its hard to put facts over feelings cuz love blinds you but sometimes you just gotta do that to see the truth.
Thank you so much! You are simply the best.I was trying to understand the term grey rock for a longtime.This is the best and perfect example.Thank you man.You are a world changer!!!
david just always makes me laugh and laughing sure helps with healing. okay, when he talked about narcissistic rage, he popped his eyeballs out and tried to look like a enraged narc. it was funny. thanks david.
Here’s an example Tip for all of you... if you want to go skydiving, just tell your narc your scared of heights. And I guarantee you’ll be skydiving very soon!
Came looking for keys to the trapdoor. Narc and me for 29 days more... I think that language is the key and I thank you, David, for verbalizing what I have only begun to explain to myself. hurts so bad and I thought no one could possibly understand. Pretty relieved for the words you put together for me.
Hi- I was with someone I loved for 10 years. I thought I was trying to point a finger and name blame when I thought he was narcissistic, then realized that he was text book narcissistic. But then I thought "no, he's trying to change"... Nope same old games, manipulation, gaslighting, created drama. When I left (ugh, for the second and last time), I watched your TH-cam videos just to see IF the narcissist would do everything a narcissist would do, he's fucking textbook. It's actually, funny, however it did a # on me emotionally, mentally. I'm healing, well trying. I appreciate what your doing, for me. I understand you're doing this for many, but for me. My depression is bad, but I'm strong and learning to heal. Because you're validating EVERYTHING I went through. If you want the hear stories of 10 years, I would live to share. Thank you for your work, keep it up. -Tricia
My goodness. I am going through this now. I moved out 3 months ago but have been going back helping with chores, pets. She is everything you describe. I know I have to go no contact. Our lease which is in my name isn't up till March 1,2022. She is trying her best to get me back and I have actually thought about it. She is a master manipulator who puts everything on me as in everything is my fault. I still love her. This is insane. 😪
Thank you CNXG so much for this list. I am hearing things that I can relate to the narcs behaviour. I now know that I was 'mirrored' at times. I am off to listen to the rest. Thank so much ... Its people like you who know a lot about this situation that are helping so many of us to clear the road and stay strong enough to make big changes in our lives. God Bless you. ^j^
Another great Vid thanks Dave. My ex narc has had our 2 boys staying at her house of horrors and contacted me to advise me that I need to apply in writing to her to get my boys back!!! I love it. Just when you thought they couldn't get more insane they surprise you.
Thanks for this video Dave. Info like this is what heps us heal. After the narcissistic shitstorm is over we are usually left with not knowing what the fuck happened. We are often left lost, hurt, and confused. Info like this makes sense of this mess and makes it less foreign. Thanks for helping us all heal with your videos and experience.
Word Salad- You ask them a question they don't want to answer & they don't want to answer cuz they know they've been caught doing something very wrong most of the time. So they start talking like a politician by not answering the question but instead go off on these long tangents in the hopes that by the time they are done you will be so frustrated you'll drop it & walk away shaking your head wondering wtf just happened Or you forget the question entirely!! My X was a Pro!!
My ex did indeed leave me on Christmas Eve. No reason given. Just...done. Until the hoover. I see everything so clearly now, but it's taken me years to get it. So appreciate your videos, David.
Thank you for your videos! It gives hope and I'm astonished how these evil people are the same. I wish I knew that before and never came close to them.
Every single thing was right on. Really enjoyed this video. Gonna go watch the other ones. I can now tell when he's in a certain 'stage' and dont even let it get to me.
Great video. You're excellent at describing everything in detail, yet in an easy to understand manner. Just so crazy to think back on everything they did. Thankfully, it's all in the past.
I really enjoyed this movie, uh... I mean video....LOL...so cute. Funny and sweet presentation. Made me feel really happy because of you! not just the information. Thanks! Add motherfucker to the list of terms, please, as my narc targeted me to get close to my 12 year old daughter.
This. Ideo is a great idea David. I know I had to pick up the termanology as I was learning. Words Id never heard used in this context before. This should really help all the newbies out there. And...you are right. Block these narcs at every turn. Dont wait and see if they will make contact. That will be your first mistake. Thanks heaps. :)
You are so right on the money!!! Would love find a therapist like you. Im doing really well but sometimes thinking back and going...oh yeah..now I see it! Just wondering how an educated and empathetic woman can be fooled so easily!
Awesome and concise analogy! Very well presented! A little confused in the end with the guys of your ex not liking each other instead of not liking her (your ex). To me, as soon as one person in the duo chooses to step away from a relationship it frees up all those involved to make their own choices. I'm not siding with your former wife. I'm just trying to understand the dynamics. I'm on the other end of the spectrum where I realize I probably have lots in common with my narc's first two ex's. The bottom line is, the women in "his" life and I finally discovered individually for ourselves that first, there is a mask and second, we uncovered the mask. It's semantics as who discarded who, when enough is enough. In the end we probably have a lot in common. Prior to my narc BF of 5 years off and on relationship with the last 3 years consecutively committed, I was with a narc husband for 33 years only to discover through recent online education and research my father was a narc too. Just my thoughts.
Kate Hague Great thoughts Kate, thank you for sharing. That is a common pattern. We date people who don't meet our emotional needs because our parents didn't. They could be Narcissists, mentally ill, drug addicts, alcoholics, they abandoned or neglected us somehow. The end was about how guys around her put up with eachother. They compete for her attention and blame eachother for the situation she created. It's sick, really.
I just have to say this.....I really try not to curse ....but I get so tickled when you blast them and don't look for inoffensive words to describe these sickos who screw out heads up!!!! Sounds insane....but that helps me! Thank you!
I remember telling my ex that I felt sorry for her ex and for another guy she spurned coldly, because clearly they cared about her and were hurting. She got pissed at me for feeling sympathy for them, and not solely for her. She said if they still have feelings for her then 'that's their problem' (even though she had been callous and led them on). I explained that more than one person can get hurt in these situations but she didn't get it. This was a red flag I really should have paid more attention to.
This is so well explained and although it is almost enough to make me puke,it is the truth and a lot of this I have bestowed and recieved. The truth is beautiful even though I see my ugly soul so clearly now. I am guilty of so much and a victim as well. Pray for my soul as I have silently sliced and diced anyone who acted against me out of jealousy or hate as I a bully none excepted. I did not tell others. If crossed I have caused others to spend money as a means of revenge. I am not going to stop praying for forgiveness. I would have to cease contact with all my immediate family. I dont know a lot but know I must pray for forgiveness.
Term " Stover ". To be So totally over your narc !! Ha ha ha ha laughed out loud. " I ll go in my break and put the fire out ! " .... my narc ex to the T he has a harem
CNXG CrazyNarcissistXGirlfriend Thank you... there are so many questions... I'm watching all of your videos now and I am having so many ah ha moments!!! Thank you for your response, it's nice to know that someone cares!!!
Hi David! I have seen a couple of videos of yours on this topic. I dont know whether I have gone crazy or things what really are. But the fact of the matter now is that I am on the verge of ending my marriage with my husband just because of all the factors you told about narcissists applies to my MIL. Well she doesnt really interacts with me directly but does all what you have said in the video through my husband. And in three years of my marriage , I just failed to make my husband understand the real picture. He just somehow believes her for anything she does or says about me. I so cant take this anymore and thinking to move out because i find my husband more at fault than her; ulyimately the relation is ours. The only page of difference we have is her and what she has done to me...so its really heartbreaking for me to end this relation... but i have tried all i could..
Smear campaign during my divorce: Narc secretly call my family, my therapist, and my DOCTOR to tell them I was "mentally ill"!! The terrifying thing is that no one told me he was doing this, except my doctor, because he wanted her to violate my confidentiality. It was terrifying, I could have lost my job, custody, friends... sick.
David. first off i want to tell you thank you so much your advice has helped me so much more than you will ever know, even months after us talking, i have stayed single & it has helped me so much to awaken to things, have reflection, become aware & face the truth, in its natural time. and realizing where i have personally went wrong. first question is if you have published your book yet, second if you have any advice on after you have been discarded then recycled. The sighns of being recycled, I have been hoovered back in. I was ghosted, then all of a sudden was LOVED. I am aware that i am being hoovered but i am also aware that i have an addiction to the attention & miss the VALIDATION. Id like to know some real life examples of being recycled besides my own. I am very proud of you & your spot on about facebook, validation, childhood, being an easy target, online dating. so true.
Moving On Thank you very much for all your support. Signs of being recycled, you've been a victim before and now you are again. Love yourself enough so you don't need anyone. Sharing your life with someone is different than needing someone.
Other terms: Primary Source vs. Secondary Source. It's interesting when they don't have a Primary Source, and so they will target a Secondary, if needed.
Jessica S I am not sure why I didn't talk about that. I talk about it so much in other videos. Thank you for bringing it up for others! I hope you're doing good Jessica!
Drank so heavy for 2 months,, i just am now turning it all around slowly, she just moved on and never dealt with any consequences. Back w her ex, beach trips, full family....i am all alone except 3 good friends.
Thanks For Making these videos David, I needed this particular one today. what u said about, having been strong NC and all for an extended period. then you slip;😣 you hear their best love bombing voice and falter, back slide or whatever.its freakin frustrating.
I have! I have a whole lineup of people such as yourself that I subscribe to that help me heal. Everytime I feel down, I educate myself on these fuckers through these videos (yours are my favourite) and it helps me deal as best I can. So Thankyou very much...I enjoy your "movies" lmao ;).
Your getting good. Forgot Leiutenients and Bottemfeeders. Things are going better. I will start a channel in May. We all need to Unite and spread the message. When we wake up it is something that we have to do. Spread awareness to the world. Your really smart. Later gator. Kel
Kelly Fink Thank you Kelly! I hope you will take my support and any advice I can give? let me know and please ask me anything. crazynarcissistxgirlfriend@gmail.com
Speaking of serotonin I took you advise and I am taking lithium ornate along with 5-htp plus magnesium and b complex I have been feeling so much better. Thank you for that recommendation. I would love to get my hands on some oxytocin.
CNXG CrazyNarcissistXGirlfriend Hello and thank you for sharing your wisdom Forever grateful In no way am I attempting to "tell you how to do your job" but I think it needs to be addressed with absolute cleariyy and more often that there is a baseline in recognizing this mental ilness and the level of abuse rises from that it struck me how fortunate I am to have realized something in my relationship was way off and I didnt end up losing everything However when I began to reach out and identify the problem and then truly understandit was not me I still had trouble in my new awareness because although I could identify many paterns of behavior as well as verbal patterned use the narcissic I was dealing with had not reached the levels of abuses that I am reading about in many of my fellow survivors accounts i guess for awhile I was under some ideology that the abuse and its affects had to be more extreme In no way was I making excuses or in denial I wrestled with the diagnosis and validity in the earlier stages of my abuse I know now if it feels like abuse its abuse Im having a difficult time explaining this There are levels in this ilness and you dont have to lose yourself or anything else in order to recognize it validate it and eliminate it I hope this makes sense and I was hoping you could speak on this part of the illness to help others like myself get out sooner than later I didnt expirience half of what some people have and didnt lose nearly as much time and personal belonings work other people etc to know it was abuse and who was behind it My abuser may never have progressed beyond his current tactics at the time it was still abuse i hope this helps others and I was clear My respects to everyone who is and has survived these people Expirience strength and hope In that comes wisdom Thanks David Susan Northern California
This video is very informative and useful to know when you’re looking out for signs of a narcissist. Could you please do a video on harem as I’m interested to know more about this topic.
The narcissist will never break up with you because your dependence on him or her no matter what he or she does is supply. He will kick you out of his or her house and buy your plane ticket but he or she knows you are co-dependent and will not leave him or her. He or she wants you to react like "No please don't leave me."
Awesome video David. Question. Why did my narcissist never invite me in over 3 years to hang out with her friends? I think back and just can’t believe the shit I put up with.
Scarlet Sweetwish I'm sorry Scarlet, sometimes we have to crawl out of the bottom and that's what makes us stronger and not do it again. Thank you for sharing.
They devalue you when you are on to them or when they see that you gained weight or you are just not living up to their ideal mate. They become enraged when you call them names like a creep if you think they are cheating or did cheat on you with a girl their daughter's age or slightly older or slightly younger or much younger - no matter if it is the truth or not.
14:20 - After escaping my Narc Ex with my child, we moved in with my Grandma. We had been there three months and my Dad and Narc Mom came to Grandma's on Christmas Eve and said I couldn't spend Christmas with them because my Golden Child sister was coming and she might have a blow-up. I was devastated. I now know for sure that my NM wanted me to kill myself. Thanks David for the validation. Much appreciated.
After 18 yrs and 11 yr marriage, all of which we struggled unsuccessfully w infertility, I caught my narc w another woman(I use that term loosely) 2 yrs ago. He refused to give any answers, left me high and dry without any closure. He paraded his new gf around my very small hometown where we had lived 13 yrs. spewed bullshit to everyone we knew,placing the blame, shame and guilt on me! He allowed this 'woman' to accompany him to court for our first mediation, which about brought me to my knees as she was very pregnant and gave birth to their son(her 4th) 16 days before our divorce was final. I still didnt have any answers and I'm still processing how he treated me with such volatile anger and complete disrespect after all those years!? How had I loved someone that had the capacity to treat me that way when he wanted out! I almost got sucked in agakn 2 months after divorce finalized, thankfully i was hyper-aware of his words and actions, applied techniques that I learned at my 4yr stint in Behavioral Health. I am just now going NC, as he does not respect any boundaries and is now delusional.Baby mama turned out to be a Narc as well! He met his match with her.His family and few close friends all see his truth now. The baby is the biggest victim out of all this, I pray for him with 2 narc parents, constant intense drama, and being caught in the midst of that hell, being used as a pawn since conception.
Omg!!!! That is aweful. I'm feeling hurt as if I am the one in your situation. He is a fool and his Karma will knock his front teeth out. My ex and I were virgins and planned to wait for marriage because I always made it clear that is what I wanted. Only to catch him cheating with one of our mutual friends. He threw 3 years away. It crushed me was crying for a year. I lost weight and had trouble sleeping. Fast forward to now I'm married to the love of my life. Cheaters never win.
I tried no contact 5 years ago before I even knew what a narc was. He got through and was drunk, said he was coming to my house. I said no cause I told him he would lose everything. He had his kids with him at that point, when he left, he took them. I raised them since they were 4 and 6. Anyway, the kids called me because he crashed into the court house on his mototcycle that he wasn't supposed to be driving. 3rd DUI in a row, so I went to the rescue for the kids, and ended up back with him. stuck by him the 18 months or so that he was locked up. Never been unfaithful to him. Even the times he discarded me. (he cheated on me though. Been with him for 12 years now. After he got out of jail etc. Things have been getting worse. all the future faking, etc. Wish I knew then what I know now. Now I'm on disability, and 5000+ in debt because he doesnt' want to take care of us.I mean he occasionally gives money for food for his daughter and me. I usually have to do that for the most part. He says as long as his daughter doesn't do what's expected of her, he's not giving her food or clothes etc. WTF!I tell him he's supposed to provide for his daughter, he said no he's not. But he can go out and buy a 3500.00 motorcycle last week but watch me go into more debt to feed me and his daughter. Of course I consider her mine as well. I mean I pay my bills and have been for years. It was ok to come to his rescue after he came back out of Jail and had nothing, but when I lost my job from the place closing, then had to go on disability, he said. good luck with that. . He is now in total control of all of his finances. I used to pay the bills after he would give me a certain amount for"his bills", Now he makes sure he doesn't give it to me anymore to pay tills so I don't have any little cent left over. God forbid. Of course I could go on. It's a dam shame they have to treat their kids like that, let alone their wife or anyone else. smh! Thanks for the videos. Hugs
Terri Lynch My Life You're a sweetheart and a special person and she is very lucky to have you in her life. She doesn't need her Father in her life if he is that bad. Keep doing what you're doing, the both of you don't need him. Thank you.
CNXG CrazyNarcissistXGirlfriend awe thank you. We'll if I go, she doesn't want to choose. I remember being in the same boat. My mom wasn't a narcissist but an alcoholic. She eventually stopped. She was the greatest person without the alcohol,but my teen years were not so fun alot of times. My dad did stay till I got married at 18 the first time and moved out. Looking back, my first husband was very controlling as well. Even physically abusive. Hmm
Terri Lynch My Life Sometimes we have to make the choice for our children and they will realize it was best for them later. Just don't say anything bad about him and let her figure that one out.
Yes I lost my job, financially in debt crippled with bad health lost my home. Everything ! But one thing I do still have (Which is so so strong and v v imp) My kid's love and respect !
S M You have my respect as well.
You’re a hero. Your videos are extremely helpful - just blocked my Ex Narc today. NC begins once again...
doncojones Thank you!
CNXG - I found out the narcs can put so much stress on a victim to cause the adult body to develop cystic acne. I have to admit it happened to me. I thought it was adult acne. Not true. So much stress my body I was breaking down. Since I went no contact my face cleared straight up. Just having that shit occur...acne was a horrible thing. Keep up the great information flowin'.
23 Psalm and cancer too
23 Psalm omg that’s what’s been happening to me... never had acne other than the odd spot but since we live together my skin developed cystic acne! He said he’s leaving soon I’m in limbo.
A lot of stress on the liver
yeah, they leave you right in the middle of life's important episodes.
Mine didn't have the guts to. He waited until I had finished remodeling his house....we got in a huge fight.....he said I hit him in the back and "accidentally " busted my mouth and bruised my face. He didn't even get out of bed to check on me! This was 2 months before we were getting married!!!! How was I supposed to let that little "accident " be ok? Then he moved on 2 months after that!!! Was in a Facebook relationship in DECEMBER!!!!! This has still got my head spinning.....but I'm trying to get better.
Scary accurate. Thanks for restoring what's left of my sanity. My ex used every. Single. One. Thanks again for another excellent vid 💙
Charlie Foxtrot Appreciate you!
I love your videos David, you have an awesome speaking voice and you get your thoughts out well. I like how raw you are too, you don't sugar coat anything. You really know what you're talking about. Keep up the good work.
shafries85 Thank you so much for your support, I appreciate you!
Emotional dysregulation.
Great video and the one I would add of the many you describe very well is emotional dysregulation. It is self explanatory but people need to understand that it comes from the black and White thinking and the splitting from the narcissist's mind. Your emotional strings are being played like a graph from an audio frequency. They say they love you yet obviously abuse you, you try and please them and they get angry as if you do wrong. They are guilty yet blame you. They idealise you then devalue you(the longer game). They criticise you but they live in a glass house. They even act omnipotent but have fragile egos. They pretend to have compassionate empathy yet have none. They hate someone but act nce to their face. Pretend to help you yet are spreading a smear Campaign. They act nice before a discard. They claim they are generous but only take.They cheat and blame you. They let you do all the work only to take all the credit. They abuse but claim they are the victim. They pretend to love you but have no positive emotions(none whatsoever). They push and pull. They claim they do all the work yet are lazy. It is in fact in everything they do.This contradictory behaviour with increased abuse with gradually less reward is the basis for making a victim addicted to their controlling behaviour and the brainwashing tactics to make a victim submit and lose Control desparately grasping for just a small sign of the good times again. if you have a narc parent it is probable that you have already been conditioned that abuse is love(it doesn't matter if it was physical, psychological or sexual abuse) and meeting the narc will just put you straight back into the fog of impaired decision making, destruction of critical thinking and cognitive dissonence caused by the dysregulation from their black and White mentality. To stop this no Contact and mindfulness is key.
chris saint u made many great points here
Thanks. I Think understanding this helps predict their behaviour. If they act nice they are plotting evil with your family and friends. Give you something, they are stealing something else etc etc. It is often the literal opposite.Someone wrote that their Young Child described living with a narc was like living in topsy turvy land and that I Think is the best way to put it. Sadly it's a lot more sinister than that..
chris saint That is a great one to add. Thank you for helping people know what it is.
A mistake I made waas thinking that it would take a long time to dysregulate me again if I had to deal with my X and the truth is it doesn't take long at all.
chris saint It's pretty much right out the gate.
I work very close with a narc. I’m here to make sure I know how to protect myself. Thank you!
One other term you will hear in narcissistic discussion is " mind fuckery" . Basically gas lighting or crazy making. Great vid David good to see ya, keep'em coming.
Kay 100 oh yeah, that will work also. Definitely feels like my brain has been run though a meat grinder. 😳
Light after Darkness Kim loves that one!
CNXG CrazyNarcissistXGirlfriend right 😂
Ainka Ryan Stop doubting yourself. He is a Narcissist, thank you for sharing.
Thanks so much for these videos..I feel I am empowered know so I can go NC and end this madness..you're the best. I'm 65..been married to 2 Narcs and this current relationship, was truly demonic..all 3 of them searched me out..as if they knew I was the perfect victim. This will not happen again.
Gretchen Roberson Thank you Gretchen, please go no contact as soon as possible. If you need someone to help you please email me
crazynarcissistxgirlfriend@gmail.com
Thanks I appreciate your help..I will go NC..promise..will save your email address, thanks so much!!!
Gretchen Roberson Thank you Gretchen.
Gretchen Roberson....I'm also in my 60's & my 2 Loves were absolute narcissistic fuckers....It got so bad w/ the one I married...I was able to RUN for my mental & emotional well-being..& got away (kids grown & gone..."Time to Leave"..
BUT.....DammIt...got caught by the most narcissistic abuser...10 yrs.!!!
But ..w/ the grace of God...I was able to escape to another State...& really implement No Contact..!!
Now I just feel numb, really wary of falling into another mistake....maybe like you...
seem to attract Narcs... highly empathic people r like minnows in the Narc shark tank....I'm single & feeling alright about it .
Now I feel like
Sometimes and I did it here lately...I forget to have boundaries cuz I just want to be myself but u cant cuz there are sharks out there. I'm just a nice person who wants to believe people are giving and caring. I feel myself slowly going back to no boundaries and then I get mad at myself for lowering my boundaries esp at work.
Thanks David. You’re my saviour, I thought I was going mad. It’s lonely out there as no one gets what you’ve been through or going through.
Great video again David and a perfect resource for people just starting this process - the lingo is definitely important to validate what we've gone through!
Dad Surviving Divorce Thank you Duane, I remember trying to figure it all out, can be confusing. Take care buddy.
Totally off topic, but I love your smile! It's contagious & should happen more.
Chelsea VanderSys Thank you for making me smile Chelsea! 😃
David's videos are so respected, must be the smallest percentage dislikes to likes, reflects the quality and honesty of his work
You are right. I tried to date afterwards and it does not work. i started a google plus & i went on dating sites i was so desperate to find a way to get over him & to forget everything that happened, that i jumped into more unhealthy relationships its so true how we attract more predators when we lack self love, plus it isnt fair to the other person because your still so wounded & in a way then they become your victim cuz your just trying to be comforted. Bringing the past into the present is not healthy. So i made a personal decision and stopped everything online and face things on my own and process it all. i was recently hoovred back in & i am so thankful that i saw through it this time. its hard to put facts over feelings cuz love blinds you but sometimes you just gotta do that to see the truth.
Thank you so much! You are simply the best.I was trying to understand the term grey rock for a longtime.This is the best and perfect example.Thank you man.You are a world changer!!!
doctorcoolphysician Cool thank you!
Thank you for this! I am divorcing my narc and I'm scared to death. Every day brings a new set of worries. I wish he would just disappear.
david just always makes me laugh and laughing sure helps with healing. okay, when he talked about narcissistic rage, he popped his eyeballs out and tried to look like a enraged narc. it was funny. thanks david.
chemtrailmary Lol thanks!
Here’s an example Tip for all of you... if you want to go skydiving, just tell your narc your scared of heights. And I guarantee you’ll be skydiving very soon!
Came looking for keys to the trapdoor. Narc and me for 29 days more... I think that language is the key and I thank you, David, for verbalizing what I have only begun to explain to myself. hurts so bad and I thought no one could possibly understand. Pretty relieved for the words you put together for me.
Liz McGee Oh thank you Liz, I'm so glad I can help. You will be feeling great soon, I promise.
I'm done👋- I love my peace more.
BLESSED LIFE Love it 👊
CNXG CrazyNarcissistXGirlfriend 👊
7:11 after seeing you mimic this, I just know you had to deal with the f*ckers.
Thank you so much for your videos. They give comfort.
Feniks Phoenix Thank you so much, take care!
I will... You too bro... I am a white male from the Netherlands, and you need to know
that your videos teach and help people in other continents...
Feniks Phoenix Thank you Feniks, Proost!
Good video bud. I can only imagine watching this a few years ago when I knew nothing. Id be like OMG SHE DOES ALL OF THIS
Nick Bloem And probably more! Thanks Nick.
Hi- I was with someone I loved for 10 years. I thought I was trying to point a finger and name blame when I thought he was narcissistic, then realized that he was text book narcissistic. But then I thought "no, he's trying to change"... Nope same old games, manipulation, gaslighting, created drama. When I left (ugh, for the second and last time), I watched your TH-cam videos just to see IF the narcissist would do everything a narcissist would do, he's fucking textbook. It's actually, funny, however it did a # on me emotionally, mentally. I'm healing, well trying. I appreciate what your doing, for me. I understand you're doing this for many, but for me. My depression is bad, but I'm strong and learning to heal. Because you're validating EVERYTHING I went through. If you want the hear stories of 10 years, I would live to share. Thank you for your work, keep it up. -Tricia
How could anyone not like this video?
The 3rd person was/is my mother that took his side. He has lived with my mother for 3 years now. How sick is that. Thank you again..
Holly Rolette McCaughley Oh my, I am so sorry Holly. I wouldn't talk to her either, that's horrible.
At least now you will be rid of two toxic people interfering in your life.... count your blessings no contact is your prerogative! Have a good life.
My goodness. I am going through this now. I moved out 3 months ago but have been going back helping with chores, pets. She is everything you describe. I know I have to go no contact. Our lease which is in my name isn't up till March 1,2022. She is trying her best to get me back and I have actually thought about it. She is a master manipulator who puts everything on me as in everything is my fault. I still love her. This is insane. 😪
you are so good dave this exactly what I went through
Lisa Vollaro Thanks Lisa.
David DeMars is the best i have ever listened to, knows this subject very well
Thank you CNXG so much for this list. I am hearing things that I can relate to the narcs behaviour. I now know that I was 'mirrored' at times. I am off to listen to the rest. Thank so much ... Its people like you who know a lot about this situation that are helping so many of us to clear the road and stay strong enough to make big changes in our lives. God Bless you. ^j^
Another great Vid thanks Dave.
My ex narc has had our 2 boys staying at her house of horrors and contacted me to advise me that I need to apply in writing to her to get my boys back!!! I love it. Just when you thought they couldn't get more insane they surprise you.
Andrew Ferguson Isn't it incredible? I have listened to so many stories now and I am still surprised everytime.
Thanks for this video Dave. Info like this is what heps us heal. After the narcissistic shitstorm is over we are usually left with not knowing what the fuck happened. We are often left lost, hurt, and confused. Info like this makes sense of this mess and makes it less foreign. Thanks for helping us all heal with your videos and experience.
Jeff Delima Thank you Jeff, I think it really helps with validation
Word Salad- You ask them a question they don't want to answer & they don't want to answer cuz they know they've been caught doing something very wrong most of the time. So they start talking like a politician by not answering the question but instead go off on these long tangents in the hopes that by the time they are done you will be so frustrated you'll drop it & walk away shaking your head wondering wtf just happened Or you forget the question entirely!! My X was a Pro!!
My ex did indeed leave me on Christmas Eve. No reason given. Just...done. Until the hoover. I see everything so clearly now, but it's taken me years to get it. So appreciate your videos, David.
Thank you for your videos! It gives hope and I'm astonished how these evil people are the same. I wish I knew that before and never came close to them.
Julia Trostyanetskaya Don't we all! It helps us learn so much about ourselves that I wouldn't trade the experience for anything.
Every single thing was right on. Really enjoyed this video. Gonna go watch the other ones. I can now tell when he's in a certain 'stage' and dont even let it get to me.
Your help is priceless , thank you
Urszula Kucia Your support is great, thank you!
Great video. You're excellent at describing everything in detail, yet in an easy to understand manner. Just so crazy to think back on everything they did. Thankfully, it's all in the past.
Josephine Smith Thank you Josephine, keep it in the past!
Well, all people are messed up. Good that you spout it out to us clearly.
LightBumble Thank you.
Nailed it again as always ❤️ so insightful
Dani hartery-smith You Rock Dani!
I really enjoyed this movie, uh... I mean video....LOL...so cute. Funny and sweet presentation. Made me feel really happy because of you! not just the information. Thanks! Add motherfucker to the list of terms, please, as my narc targeted me to get close to my 12 year old daughter.
David,you are so great.Thank you very much
This was an amazing video. Thanks for the indepth explanations
Thanks David, another great video!
Sandra Banim I appreciate you Sandra, thank you.
This. Ideo is a great idea David. I know I had to pick up the termanology as I was learning. Words Id never heard used in this context before. This should really help all the newbies out there. And...you are right. Block these narcs at every turn. Dont wait and see if they will make contact. That will be your first mistake. Thanks heaps. :)
msmay That's what I'm hoping for, thank you!!
I love your videos man keep raising awareness your doing a great job
thank you !! for helping me through everything.. you are the best.
Dominique Martinez Thank you Dominique, you are awesome!
You are so right on the money!!! Would love find a therapist like you. Im doing really well but sometimes thinking back and going...oh yeah..now I see it! Just wondering how an educated and empathetic woman can be fooled so easily!
deb vankoughnet Thank you Deb. I'm currently taking new clients if you would like to make an appointment.
Oh wooooow. He told me he prayed to be the man I needed him to be. That hit weird but I didn’t know why
The black or white thinking is spot on!
Awesome and concise analogy! Very well presented! A little confused in the end with the guys of your ex not liking each other instead of not liking her (your ex). To me, as soon as one person in the duo chooses to step away from a relationship it frees up all those involved to make their own choices. I'm not siding with your former wife. I'm just trying to understand the dynamics. I'm on the other end of the spectrum where I realize I probably have lots in common with my narc's first two ex's. The bottom line is, the women in "his" life and I finally discovered individually for ourselves that first, there is a mask and second, we uncovered the mask. It's semantics as who discarded who, when enough is enough. In the end we probably have a lot in common. Prior to my narc BF of 5 years off and on relationship with the last 3 years consecutively committed, I was with a narc husband for 33 years only to discover through recent online education and research my father was a narc too. Just my thoughts.
Kate Hague Great thoughts Kate, thank you for sharing. That is a common pattern. We date people who don't meet our emotional needs because our parents didn't. They could be Narcissists, mentally ill, drug addicts, alcoholics, they abandoned or neglected us somehow.
The end was about how guys around her put up with eachother. They compete for her attention and blame eachother for the situation she created. It's sick, really.
Call each thing by its right name. Speak.
I just have to say this.....I really try not to curse ....but I get so tickled when you blast them and don't look for inoffensive words to describe these sickos who screw out heads up!!!! Sounds insane....but that helps me! Thank you!
Thank you David. Great job
Brilliant work again, David.
Don Petruzzi Thank you so much Don, appreciate you.
I remember telling my ex that I felt sorry for her ex and for another guy she spurned coldly, because clearly they cared about her and were hurting. She got pissed at me for feeling sympathy for them, and not solely for her. She said if they still have feelings for her then 'that's their problem' (even though she had been callous and led them on). I explained that more than one person can get hurt in these situations but she didn't get it. This was a red flag I really should have paid more attention to.
Thank you for all your help and knowledge
I'm so glad I found your videos
This is so well explained and although it is almost enough to make me puke,it is the truth and a lot of this I have bestowed and recieved. The truth is beautiful even though I see my ugly soul so clearly now. I am guilty of so much and a victim as well. Pray for my soul as I have silently sliced and diced anyone who acted against me out of jealousy or hate as I a bully none excepted. I did not tell others. If crossed I have caused others to spend money as a means of revenge. I am not going to stop praying for forgiveness. I would have to cease contact with all my immediate family. I dont know a lot but know I must pray for forgiveness.
Term " Stover ". To be So totally over your narc !! Ha ha ha ha laughed out loud. " I ll go in my break and put the fire out ! " .... my narc ex to the T he has a harem
S M Stover ...lol!
Kay 100 I learned of this term from a post by Bree Bonchay, LCSW
A harem is like breeding ground for diseases and zombies!
your videos are amazing and so very helpful....thank you for sharing your knowledge!!
Keri Rhinehart Thank you Keri, I'm glad they help. Please feel free to ask me anything.
CNXG CrazyNarcissistXGirlfriend Thank you... there are so many questions... I'm watching all of your videos now and I am having so many ah ha moments!!! Thank you for your response, it's nice to know that someone cares!!!
Keri Rhinehart Thank you Keri. Ask me anything.
Keep up the excellent work that you do....love your videos
in my opinion best movie (video) so far. thank you .
and bond! the combination of these two ! they lead immediately to # no contact#
Dimitra S LMAO! Thank you, hopefully I get an Oscar!
Hi David!
I have seen a couple of videos of yours on this topic. I dont know whether I have gone crazy or things what really are. But the fact of the matter now is that I am on the verge of ending my marriage with my husband just because of all the factors you told about narcissists applies to my MIL. Well she doesnt really interacts with me directly but does all what you have said in the video through my husband. And in three years of my marriage , I just failed to make my husband understand the real picture.
He just somehow believes her for anything she does or says about me. I so cant take this anymore and thinking to move out because i find my husband more at fault than her; ulyimately the relation is ours.
The only page of difference we have is her and what she has done to me...so its really heartbreaking for me to end this relation... but i have tried all i could..
Smart to make a video that is a lexicon or vocabulary of behavior and associations, etc.
Good channel. Keep it up! ☺
love you David, once again an amazing video. it really helps! Monica (Rome, Italy)
Monica Till Anch'io ti amo Monica!
Great video.
Core Observation Thank you.
Great Video,David.
Thank you!
Hanife from Germany 😊
I luv how you give info raw
Smear campaign during my divorce: Narc secretly call my family, my therapist, and my DOCTOR to tell them I was "mentally ill"!! The terrifying thing is that no one told me he was doing this, except my doctor, because he wanted her to violate my confidentiality. It was terrifying, I could have lost my job, custody, friends... sick.
David. first off i want to tell you thank you so much your advice has helped me so much more than you will ever know, even months after us talking, i have stayed single & it has helped me so much to awaken to things, have reflection, become aware & face the truth, in its natural time. and realizing where i have personally went wrong. first question is if you have published your book yet, second if you have any advice on after you have been discarded then recycled. The sighns of being recycled, I have been hoovered back in. I was ghosted, then all of a sudden was LOVED. I am aware that i am being hoovered but i am also aware that i have an addiction to the attention & miss the VALIDATION. Id like to know some real life examples of being recycled besides my own. I am very proud of you & your spot on about facebook, validation, childhood, being an easy target, online dating. so true.
Moving On Thank you very much for all your support. Signs of being recycled, you've been a victim before and now you are again. Love yourself enough so you don't need anyone. Sharing your life with someone is different than needing someone.
Other terms: Primary Source vs. Secondary Source. It's interesting when they don't have a Primary Source, and so they will target a Secondary, if needed.
Jessica S I am not sure why I didn't talk about that. I talk about it so much in other videos. Thank you for bringing it up for others! I hope you're doing good Jessica!
Life is keeping me busy. :)
Drank so heavy for 2 months,, i just am now turning it all around slowly, she just moved on and never dealt with any consequences. Back w her ex, beach trips, full family....i am all alone except 3 good friends.
Hi David, would you please do a video on Triangulation? This video was awesome, you are doing a fantastic job!
Cindy Yahna Hello Cindy! Thank you for your comment. I sure will, I have a few to do first but I won't forget, thank you so much.
Thanks For Making these videos David, I needed this particular one today. what u said about, having been strong NC and all for an extended period. then you slip;😣 you hear their best love bombing voice and falter, back slide or whatever.its freakin frustrating.
J Martinez Good, glad the video helped. It is so important, the healing process can not begin until you do.
This is my favourite video yet David. Side note, I'd like to see these movie productions of yours lol ;).
Christine Lynn Lol! You've seen most of my movies I'm sure! How funny, Thank you!
I have! I have a whole lineup of people such as yourself that I subscribe to that help me heal. Everytime I feel down, I educate myself on these fuckers through these videos (yours are my favourite) and it helps me deal as best I can. So Thankyou very much...I enjoy your "movies" lmao ;).
Christine Lynn That's perfect, keep going Christine! I love learning about this too. I'm glad to know I could help, thank you.
Your getting good. Forgot Leiutenients and Bottemfeeders. Things are going better. I will start a channel in May. We all need to Unite and spread the message. When we wake up it is something that we have to do. Spread awareness to the world. Your really smart. Later gator. Kel
Kelly Fink Thank you Kelly! I hope you will take my support and any advice I can give? let me know and please ask me anything.
crazynarcissistxgirlfriend@gmail.com
You are good so good .It is so through.How could that ever happend to me?
Speaking of serotonin I took you advise and I am taking lithium ornate along with 5-htp plus magnesium and b complex I have been feeling so much better. Thank you for that recommendation. I would love to get my hands on some oxytocin.
Scarlet Sweetwish Thank you Scarlet. Most Physicians are aware of women being low of Oxytocin and should prescribe a one time prescription for you.
CNXG CrazyNarcissistXGirlfriend
Hello and thank you for sharing your wisdom
Forever grateful
In no way am I attempting to "tell you how to do your job" but I think it needs to be addressed with absolute cleariyy and more often that there is a baseline in recognizing this mental ilness and the level of abuse rises from that
it struck me how fortunate I am to have realized something in my relationship was way off and I didnt end up losing everything
However when I began to reach out and identify the problem and then truly understandit was not me I still had trouble in my new awareness because although I could identify many paterns of behavior as well as verbal patterned use the narcissic I was dealing with had not reached the levels of abuses that I am reading about in many of my fellow survivors accounts
i guess for awhile I was under some ideology that the abuse and its affects had to be more extreme
In no way was I making excuses or in denial
I wrestled with the diagnosis and validity in the earlier stages of my abuse
I know now if it feels like abuse its abuse
Im having a difficult time explaining this
There are levels in this ilness and you dont have to lose yourself or anything else in order to recognize it validate it and eliminate it
I hope this makes sense and I was hoping you could speak on this part of the illness to help others like myself get out sooner than later
I didnt expirience half of what some people have and didnt lose nearly as much time and personal belonings work other people etc to know it was
abuse and who was behind it
My abuser may never have progressed beyond his current tactics at the time
it was still abuse
i hope this helps others and I was clear
My respects to everyone who is and has survived these people
Expirience strength and hope
In that comes wisdom Thanks David
Susan
Northern California
Susann Illich Valid point, thank you Susan. Yes I will try to stress how important it is to get away before having to lose everything.
great video
nice breakdown
FiveAnDime Thank you.
The deep stare out into space. Not the death stare. Its like a gaze looking thru you. Looks like day dreaming but more intense. WTF!!!
Yeah sometimes they do it during sex. Its weird
yes david you got it
This video is very informative and useful to know when you’re looking out for signs of a narcissist. Could you please do a video on harem as I’m interested to know more about this topic.
Thank you thank you
thank you for the new video I'm having all of them I am in the process of no contact rule one day at a time right
Vicky Muniz That's right. It was your choice to go no contact and it will make you so much stronger in the end. Keep going, it gets so much easier.
awesome thanks
sharon reid Thank you Sharon!
...i just don't understand. how is it possible that everyone loves them no matter what they do.
...it truly baffles me.
erat
He is right
The narcissist will never break up with you because your dependence on him or her no matter what he or she does is supply. He will kick you out of his or her house and buy your plane ticket but he or she knows you are co-dependent and will not leave him or her. He or she wants you to react like "No please don't leave me."
David, watching your videos all the time. I sent you the email. your videos are the best. realistic and clear. you great! Hope we can talk sometimes..
Alyona Belyakova HI Alyona! I replied to your email.
This is so informative thankyou. I was wondering if I could perhaps email on my horrible situation I am in Australia?
Awesome video David. Question. Why did my narcissist never invite me in over 3 years to hang out with her friends? I think back and just can’t believe the shit I put up with.
Fantastic x
Yea I lost my job on Pms the day of my discard. He provoked me to be jealous. It was brutal.
Scarlet Sweetwish I'm sorry Scarlet, sometimes we have to crawl out of the bottom and that's what makes us stronger and not do it again. Thank you for sharing.
They devalue you when you are on to them or when they see that you gained weight or you are just not living up to their ideal mate. They become enraged when you call them names like a creep if you think they are cheating or did cheat on you with a girl their daughter's age or slightly older or slightly younger or much younger - no matter if it is the truth or not.
14:20 - After escaping my Narc Ex with my child, we moved in with my Grandma. We had been there three months and my Dad and Narc Mom came to Grandma's on Christmas Eve and said I couldn't spend Christmas with them because my Golden Child sister was coming and she might have a blow-up. I was devastated. I now know for sure that my NM wanted me to kill myself.
Thanks David for the validation. Much appreciated.
Ame3thyst3 You are welcome and thank you.
bottom line they live in their own world,
GGator Country They try to force us to live in it.
yes, and they get offended if we refuse to live in their's, which is the right thing to do.
They have no world until they go back to Hell so they squat ours!
After 18 yrs and 11 yr marriage, all of which we struggled unsuccessfully w infertility, I caught my narc w another woman(I use that term loosely) 2 yrs ago. He refused to give any answers, left me high and dry without any closure. He paraded his new gf around my very small hometown where we had lived 13 yrs. spewed bullshit to everyone we knew,placing the blame, shame and guilt on me! He allowed this 'woman' to accompany him to court for our first mediation, which about brought me to my knees as she was very pregnant and gave birth to their son(her 4th) 16 days before our divorce was final. I still didnt have any answers and I'm still processing how he treated me with such volatile anger and complete disrespect after all those years!? How had I loved someone that had the capacity to treat me that way when he wanted out! I almost got sucked in agakn 2 months after divorce finalized, thankfully i was hyper-aware of his words and actions, applied techniques that I learned at my 4yr stint in Behavioral Health.
I am just now going NC, as he does not respect any boundaries and is now delusional.Baby mama turned out to be a Narc as well! He met his match with her.His family and few close friends all see his truth now. The baby is the biggest victim out of all this, I pray for him with 2 narc parents, constant intense drama, and being caught in the midst of that hell, being used as a pawn since conception.
Omg!!!! That is aweful. I'm feeling hurt as if I am the one in your situation. He is a fool and his Karma will knock his front teeth out. My ex and I were virgins and planned to wait for marriage because I always made it clear that is what I wanted. Only to catch him cheating with one of our mutual friends. He threw 3 years away. It crushed me was crying for a year. I lost weight and had trouble sleeping. Fast forward to now I'm married to the love of my life. Cheaters never win.
I tried no contact 5 years ago before I even knew what a narc was. He got through and was drunk, said he was coming to my house. I said no cause I told him he would lose everything. He had his kids with him at that point, when he left, he took them. I raised them since they were 4 and 6. Anyway, the kids called me because he crashed into the court house on his mototcycle that he wasn't supposed to be driving. 3rd DUI in a row, so I went to the rescue for the kids, and ended up back with him. stuck by him the 18 months or so that he was locked up. Never been unfaithful to him. Even the times he discarded me. (he cheated on me though. Been with him for 12 years now. After he got out of jail etc. Things have been getting worse. all the future faking, etc. Wish I knew then what I know now. Now I'm on disability, and 5000+ in debt because he doesnt' want to take care of us.I mean he occasionally gives money for food for his daughter and me. I usually have to do that for the most part. He says as long as his daughter doesn't do what's expected of her, he's not giving her food or clothes etc. WTF!I tell him he's supposed to provide for his daughter, he said no he's not. But he can go out and buy a 3500.00 motorcycle last week but watch me go into more debt to feed me and his daughter. Of course I consider her mine as well. I mean I pay my bills and have been for years. It was ok to come to his rescue after he came back out of Jail and had nothing, but when I lost my job from the place closing, then had to go on disability, he said. good luck with that. . He is now in total control of all of his finances. I used to pay the bills after he would give me a certain amount for"his bills", Now he makes sure he doesn't give it to me anymore to pay tills so I don't have any little cent left over. God forbid. Of course I could go on. It's a dam shame they have to treat their kids like that, let alone their wife or anyone else. smh! Thanks for the videos. Hugs
Terri Lynch My Life You're a sweetheart and a special person and she is very lucky to have you in her life.
She doesn't need her Father in her life if he is that bad. Keep doing what you're doing, the both of you don't need him. Thank you.
CNXG CrazyNarcissistXGirlfriend awe thank you. We'll if I go, she doesn't want to choose. I remember being in the same boat. My mom wasn't a narcissist but an alcoholic. She eventually stopped. She was the greatest person without the alcohol,but my teen years were not so fun alot of times. My dad did stay till I got married at 18 the first time and moved out. Looking back, my first husband was very controlling as well. Even physically abusive. Hmm
Terri Lynch My Life Sometimes we have to make the choice for our children and they will realize it was best for them later. Just don't say anything bad about him and let her figure that one out.
CNXG CrazyNarcissistXGirlfriend oh she already has.
Terri Lynch My Life good.