Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines Commentary with
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- Rob Hill joins me for a commentary to Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines.
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I love Oliver but the world needs as much Rob Hill as it can get!
I came to say just this
The combination of Oliver and Rob is priceless
Definitely he's fantastic
This film was so ahead of it's time, Now looking back at the last 20 years of cinema, everyone copied the T3 formula of regurgitating IP's with no new ideas.
I'd say the problem with T3 was the new ideas. I didn't care to see a cheap looking Terminator comedy film.
John Conner: "There is no fate but what we make."
Hollywood: "Hold my beer!"
"There is no fate but what we make." Cringe!
@@UberMicroRepairs Thanks for the insightful response.
I thought the coffin was one of the better clever ideas the movie had as a way to explain why Sarah Connor was no longer around but showing she was still f*&kin bad ass! Hats off to whoever came up with that idea.
I've always felt the actors' wardrobe was way too clean and freshly taken out the props department. The movie gets this "an episode of Sliders" look from it.
The reason John Connor acts the way he does in this film is because he no longer believes he’s going to be a great leader. The opening of the film establishes that he’s lost his place in this world having destroyed Skynet in T2. He is now aimless. He would not be a conspiracy theorist or try to develop a following of people because he believes that that future is not happening. That is why they show him as a wanderer. He has no place in the world. No purpose.
Just because it's in the script doesn't make it a good idea.
I always laugh when I imagine audiences at the time watching this and thinking “well at least the terminator franchise can’t get any worse than this!”
This was the last Terminator film I watched. Based on what I've heard, I made the right choice.
I don’t understand how anyone can hate this film. It’s obviously not on the level of the first two, but there’s still a lot to like here and I was thoroughly entertained by it.
It makes a mockery of the first two films. Listening to these two slagging it off was cathartic!
I absolutely love these commentaries with you and Rob!
1:01:31 Similar to the 'insert text about weapon here' in one of the X-COM games, a character is shown studying a display of Lorem Ipsum. 😂
I've long maintained that there are only two potential pitches for another Terminator movie which would actually work...
1/ Show the future war (and no, I don't mean day light Terminator: Salvation). Show a group of desperate rebels and in the final act, show a de-aged Michael Bhein step into the time machine. Go full circle. Show the dark, perpetual night time future with the pink laser beams.
2/ Make another Terminator movie where Arnie is once again the threat. When was the last time that Arnie portrayed an antagonist? Oh, that's right; the original film (again; I do NOT count the CG cameo in Salvation)! It would be novel and shocking to see him play the antagonist lead again at this point.
Most of all though; make it a mid budget, raw film. Give an up and coming director a chance to flex their creative muscles, free of studio interference. Don't spend $200 million on the production. Take a risk and spend $60 million and allow the creativity to flow free.
It's not f-ing rocket science.
I've always liked Terminator 3 even though it is too similar to T2. But the practical effects in this with the TX endoskeleton and the T 800s were amazing.
Hi Oliver, I enjoyed watching your 4K collection videos. Could you please do one someday showing off your Blu-ray collection?
All the other bunkers would be targets. This one is probably not registered or known to the AI with it being so old. Just a thought.
Something like that is more known the older it is though.
Terminator 1 and 2 always made sure to remind the audience that the T800 was a threat, even in T2 he was a walking killer - T3 immediately made him into a joke which results in him having zero edge for the rest of the film.
i love your guyses commentaries. they are so great. everything you do is quality, all im missing is a copy of the movie. even though i have it available from several streaming services lol
TALK TO DE HAND
Can you do a commentary on either Road House (1989) or Starship Troopers (1997) sometime soon?
definitely need an Oliver Starship Troopers commentary
Considering there's no realistic way to live up to expectations with a follow up to a perfect film, I never thought T3 was all that bad, especially acknowledging the obvious fact it's not a Cameron film. It's like comparing apples to oranges, there's just no way to follow that act. Jim himself even admitted thirty years ago when he stated that he'd told all the story he wanted to tell and didn't want to do another follow up or a future war film.
To its credit, they tried a few new things and at least had a cohesive and self-contained story that was told in a single movie, instead of trying the obnoxiously tiresome "this is the start of a new trilogy" garbage, which is nothing more than euphemistic pretense from filmmakers who don't have any idea what kind of story they intend to tell or why they need more than one film to tell it.
Great commentary guys! Didn't disappoint, can't wait for Genisys. When I think of Nick Stahl I think of his breakout film Man Without A Face 1993, which I thought he was pretty good (maybe better a low-key drama).
It says a lot that T3 is easily the LEAST worst of the sequels following on from T2.
Tell that to genisys and dark fate
I'd rather watch Salvation
@@BRIANOCONNER2003 The two worst movies in the franchise?
@@Right_Said_Brett yes
@Right_Said_Brett To me the last good movie was terminator 3
Having a HUD as a robot sort of makes sense for robocop as he's still partially human and feeding data visually makes some sense. For the terminator is makes no sense but I'm not sure how you do a shot from the terminators view realistically. I guess a visualization of a machine vision classification thing with a bit of movie magic.
Funky funky, that funky man.
Its your favorite song in the film, Oliver.
It’s just that great!
Talk to the hand!
17:15 there is a pretty good fan edit, called "Terminator 3: the Coming Storm" fixes many issues- still very flawed, but pushed the movie from being a thumbs down, to a thumbs up.
I will never watch the theatrical version again (only the fan edit)
saw it too, I definitely agree
Thanks guys!
On the TX technology- I think the idea of the next gen of terminator having the ability to have weapons inside it's "skin" has many advantages; it can bring more advanced weapons from the future to help overwhelm its enemies, removes the limitations on models used in time travel & removes the need to hunt & find weapons outside of its target that could cause it damage, blow its cover & even cause its mission to fail. This ability seemed like a good idea to me but it wasn't used much as the flame thrower/plasma weapon ws damaged early on & not used again. -guess the CG budget became too expensive-
I think Arnie looks a bit bigger in this when he arrives than in T2 where he is much smaller than the original Terminator when he arrives.
I remember the day you posted your retrospective on T3. Hard to believe that was 9 years ago
I still have that initial commentary
@@madcapmakov2 Oh his review is on TH-cam, not sure what you mean by “still have”
@@VenusHeadTrap2 The commentary with the former member that shall not be named.
@@madcapmakov2 Oh, you’re quite lucky
@@madcapmakov2 Those old commentaries were shite anyway so no great loss
@1:02:41….Oliver once again speaks what I’ve been thinking …how come we never get to see the T-1000’s operating system or what he sees …
It's because the 800s is an Android, he needs the operating system and the HUD screen, while T-1000 is made of number of nano robots working as one, there's no chip or centralized computer. He's basically shapeless machine where each nanobot is a computer and they work collectively. So he operates differently and has no standard Skyney AI operating system, his programming is different and more flexible, he analyzes thing through physical the touch with them and even has sort consciousness and personality (not like human obviously , but he can learn and analyze human emotions etc.)
Regarding the T-800s HUD. It' pretty much nonsensical to have all those messages displayed to him for no reason, apart from all those measurement lines and sort of targeting system, everything else should be invisible.
Rob Hill is a really funny bloke 😆
Honestly. Anytime you see “Rise of…” in the title of a movie you’re almost guaranteed to be in for a bad time.
Wow what a treat 😅 here we go!
when I saw this at the time of release, I actually liked it quite a bit. It may have been that I had very low expectations and it surpassed them. But on rewatches it just doesn't feel like a sequel to T2. John ending up where he's "supposed" to be at the end is a neat sci-fi twist, but not a good Terminator twist
I can’t give you guys enough thumbs up. 100% agree with your comments.
I hope you guys do Salvation next. That one has many flaws, but has some good things going for it, I loved your retrospect on it and I’d love to hear you and robs thoughts on that one. Thanks for another great commentary I always love your insight.
Now This Is Podracing!
I felt sad when I left the cinema. I just felt we had an old Arnie trying to prop up a shit show all on his own. But when you watch this film as a comedy, as a joke, not to be taken seriously it’s okay. The female terminator did a great job and it was funny seeing Dr Silberman, but all in all it was a joke.
I also like the movie, the action is great, the story and plot are good, Arnie in top form. It is really a movie I like to re-watch.
The tank like T1 is the original version of the terminator skeleton not the hk tanks,the hk is an advanced drone
There are some really effective fanedits of this film.
I went to see this in the cinema when it was released in 2003 and it was an incredibly hot summer that year. I don't know if it was going from 35 odd degrees outside to an air conditioned cinema, or maybe the film just bored me, but I fell asleep after about ten minutes and woke up right at the end. I also think I may have dodged a bullet there.
T2 and Aliens originally weren’t the modern teal. They had a true blue tint.
Wow that was great 😅 as a fan of t3 for some odd reason, rob made so many really decent points here.
Great listen.
Would love to see you two on a commentary of jp3 😅
You sure do find lots of things funny.
I'm glad somebody pointed out how ridiculous is when the 'nanobots' are controlling the police cars. The TX can control digital machines like computers & cell phones; fine. But it being able to shift gears & turn the steering wheel in a vehicle that is very much analog technology- it really doesn't work. Cameron wouldn't have made this mistake.
Perfect, thanks Oliver!!
Guessing we'll be getting a commentary for the next 3 movies too, Can't wait for Genisys that one needs a good bollocking.
I don’t think so because they also have Alien 3 and RoboCop 2 if they decide
Hi Oliver. Opinions on the new road house film?
You need RJ and DC back
This commentary came along at the best time. Need some cheering up. Hopefully neither of you will have to watch this POS again
1:20:30 funny you say that, I was watching Shallow Grave t'other day and there's a bit where Ewan McGregor dresses up as a woman. He'd make a good Claire Danes!
I don't really think this one (or Terminator Salvation) is that bad. Maybe it's because I hated Dark Fate & Genisys so much, looking back I have warmed up to this one. The more bad Terminator movies I see, the less critical I get about the inconsistency's this movie has.
Always love these commentaries. T3 was actually Rated R in the US. I refused to watch this film at the cinema as I thought 12A what a farce. Got it on DVD and later Bluray but it’s such a weird film. Daytime footage can hurt certain characters. Batman for example doesn’t look right in the daytime.
It's amazing how the studio and film makers managed to fuck this movie up. It's not a hard movie to make, but they made the dumbest and laziest decisions possible which led to a bad movie. Hell, I think I would have actually preferred Chyna as the female Terminator. With Arnold's help, I think she could have made a decent terminator. Couldn't have been worse than what we got.
Any chance of a Predator 2 commentary? I'd love your thoughts on how all of the great quartet of series - Alien, Predator, Terminator and Robocop slid down into pure B-Movie territory. I've felt that the first (and occasionally second) films were all B-Movies made into A-Movies by the quality of the A-list director and cast.
Later sequels just faltered under poor direction, studio meddling and weight of expectations.
what about you leave a time stamp so we synch it with the film?
I remember my friend went to see this before me when it came out and I was intrigued to ask him how Arnie ended up getting a biker outfit again and he said you don't want to know lol. I did go to see it and always remember how disappointed I was with the film. Cheap knock off to T2.
An attractive female form as the terminator always made sense to me, I mean they were supposed to be infiltration units, right?
Also yeah the car remote controlling scene is absolute bs. They had a similar scene in one of the Fastnfurious films.
The directors of these sequels are hacks.
Halloween already 🤭 looking forward your commentary.
What?
Rocket man...
Desire is irrelevant. I am A MACHINE
Why specify BD or NTSC laserdisc?
Just really never been a fan of the movie. But i gotta say the ending gives me absolutely goosebumps. The score with the nukes going across the world is terrifying.
The major fumble in this film - among quite a few others - is that we had bad Arnie in the first one, and good Arnie in the second. This one should have started with good Arnie, then committed to him going bad for the second half of the film. Instead they just have him beat up on a car for a little bit.
I liked the final appearance of earl boels dr sliberman in a cameo where he still doesn't believe what he saw in T2. I also thought Clare Danes was fine as Kate Brewster would've liked to have seen her play the character again.
the casting is so bad in this movie
Completely agree.. the cinematography and wardrobe is terrible
I guess the concept that the story would take place during judgement day messed with being able to set any of it at night.
I honestly think they'd have been better off scrapping most of the first 50% of the script and have the enemy terminator's objective to become the physical agent to switch Skynet into the military systems. Then most of the film would be the main characters having to survive from all of the proto-terminators in the military base.
T3 really is a crappy movie. It isn't as bad as those last two ones in the franchise, though. Also: I absolutely love Jeremy Clarkson when I agree with him and when I don't. I generally don't consider people problematic. I am not part of the current fad of being allergic to nakedness in movies either. The faster that kind of prudishness and sexlessness passes away in Hollywood, the better. Would The Terminator have been better without the flesh? Would Total Recall? Body Heat? American Beauty? Return of the Living Dead? Police Academy? Deliverance? Deathstalker? Blue Velvet? Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers? Antichrist? Re-Animator? Clearly, the answers to all those are no. So it is for that Kristanna Loken scene in this. It isn't supposed to be watched by very small children, and it doesn't appeal to elderly Aunts and Sisters of Priests in the American Prohibition Era anyway. It was supposed to appeal to teenagers and adults of it's time. They could handle it.
Teens aren't old enough to see nudity. Stop acting like a little kid.
@@videostash413 When I was 10 in the Eighties, I watched a couple having sex for real on National Danish TV. It was part of a campaign for people to wear condoms to protect themselves from HIV. Everyone I knew watched that. They were supposed to. It was on early in the evening. But that is not all. When we went to the beach, about half of the Ladies would not wear a top and most small kids would wear nothing. Your weird reply "Teens are not old enough to see nudity", makes absolutely no sense. They are watching, in this case, a deeply violent and grim movie of War and Maiming and Death, and you are worrying about skin? How do you even do that? There is a strange moral panic infesting parts of society these days. We seem to be returning to the Victorian Era, and you write "stop acting like a little kid", when I point it out. That is kind of funny.
@@videostash413 When I was 10 in the Eighties, I watched a couple having sex for real on National Danish TV. It was part of a campaign for people to wear condoms to protect themselves from HIV. Everyone I knew watched that. They were supposed to. It was on early in the evening. But that is not all. When we went to the beach, about half of the Ladies would not wear a top and most small kids would wear nothing. Your weird reply "Teens are not old enough to see nudity", makes absolutely no sense. They are watching, in this case, a deeply violent and grim movie of War and Maiming and Death, and you are worrying about skin? How do you even do that? There is a strange moral panic infesting parts of society these days. We seem to be returning to the Victorian Era, and you write "stop acting like a little kid", when I point it out. That is kind of funny.
@@videostash413 When I was 10 in the Eighties, I watched a couple going at it for real on National Danish TV. It was part of a campaign for people to wear condoms to protect themselves from HIV. Everyone I knew watched that. They were supposed to. It was on early in the evening. But that is not all. When we went to the beach, about half of the Ladies would not wear a top and most small kids would wear nothing. Your weird reply "Teens are not old enough to see nudity", makes absolutely no sense. They are watching, in this case, a deeply violent and grim movie of War and Death, and you are worrying about skin? How do you even do that? There is a strange moral panic infesting parts of society these days. We seem to be returning to the Victorian Era, and you write "stop acting like a little kid", when I point it out. That is kind of funny.
@@videostash413 When I was 10 in the Eighties, I watched a couple going at it for real on National Danish TV. It was part of a campaign for people to wear condoms to protect themselves from HIV. Everyone I knew watched that. They were supposed to. It was on early in the evening. But that is not all. When we went to the beach, about half of the Ladies would not wear a top and most small kids would wear nothing. Your weird reply "Teens are not old enough to see nudity", makes absolutely no sense. They are watching, in this case, a deeply violent and grim movie of War and Battle, and you are worrying about skin? How do you even do that? There is a strange moral panic infesting parts of society these days. We seem to be returning to the Victorian Era, and you write "stop acting like a little kid", when I point it out. That is kind of funny.
You guys rock. Did no one bring up the soldier "Candy" that the T-800 is based on? 😂 Thanks guys.❤
Awesome commentary as always. I live for T1 and T2, but this movie is all kinds of whack.
You have to care or be interested in the characters and well...... compared to T1 and T2, they were strong and gritty and T3... weak and dull and the T3 terminator woman is amazing and ruthless and some of the scenes are great but like so many other franchises, by the 3rd, the stories just go off the rails and seems the spark and magic. Cameron did so good on T2 as he puts all into his work, but i think watching T3 again is less of a shock and you can try to get into it a bit more.
The movie is pretty bad, especially compared to the first two films. It got even worse later on though. You are right to point out the potential. T3 could have been a lot better with some tweaks. A different actor to play John Connor for a start. That was a horrible miscast. The concept for the Terminator wasn't great either...
I thought the ending is quite good. But I agree with your points that the set-up of John Connor as the resistance leader is very unbelievable.
“We got Chris Hardwick, that’s all that matters.”
Talk to the hand✋
1:09:05 Oliver Harper vapes. Confirmed.
I believe it was Rob, Oliver was speaking over the vape sound.
Look. There are only two Terminator films. It's a franchise that never should have been a franchise. Just like Alien, Predator and Star Wars. Anyone who has nostalgia for this is just fooling themselves. The thing about this film is that it's just completely unnecessary at best and outright annoying at worst. I don't need to know that Judgement Day will always happen. The ending of T2 with it's hope for the future,not knowing what would happen,is perfect. This movie pretty much spits on that ending. It's bland and forgettable but it's not as bad as later films although that's not saying much. Plus the whole time travel thing is just a joke now. Salvation wasn't good but at least it did something different that didn't involve time travel.
The silly moments of T3 aside, how does it spit on the ending of T2? The mission of the Terminator in T2 (and Kyle in T1) wasn't to terminate Skynet before it could be created, it was to protect John so he would be alive in the future and win, because that's what happened in the future. It's not a hopeless ending that Judgement Day happens and the future plays out as foretold.
@@HyraxusPrimusYou've clearly forgotten Sarah Connor's narration in T2 about changing the future, which includes preventing Judgment Day. The mantra in the first two films is clear - No Fate but what we make. Meaning their actions in T2, that being destroying everything at Cyberbyne, and John's T800 melting in the molten steel, prevented Judgment Day.
Terminator Salvation minus its lackluster and forgettable ending was the best of the Terminator sequels to follow T2.
This is the one Terminator film that both annoyed and made me cringe.
All of the comedic gags and sexist depictions of the T-X was pretty embarrassing to watch for me as a teen.
It’s funny how that bad quality was later topped by Genisys which solidified the Terminator into a mockery.
sexist?
That gay bar scene totally took me out of the film.
Though there was only ever 2 Terminator films? There where some BAD fan fiction like this one. I only remember T1 & T2.
I like the beginning and the ending, the rest feels like filler.
Please look at The Omen franchise.
T2 was the best.
Oliver picking on someone else's hair........😆🤣
A guilty pleasure for sure. Glamorous trash.
Who would ever own this disrespectful T2 copycat?
The female terminator was not good casting, she tries to look tough, but ends up looking bored the whole time. A terminator should look intense like Robert Patrick or Arnold.
It was shit.
Film didn’t happen. Not canon
this film is terrible, the plot is gubbins and all the action scenes feel like some thing from jack ass. After I watched this I made the choice not to watch any of the future sequels, and that was the correct choice
If i had to pick this or dark fate i pick this.
it feels like a TV show :/
Such a bad movie.
What a horrid film
never clicked so fast!!! let's do this 🤌