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I've got a few Robertet natural bases on my PA list. Apple, Orris and Apricot. Another thing bases are good for is if you don't have a reference for how a really expensive natural like Orris butter smells for example. You can buy a really well done base and go off that when you're first starting out to get an idea of what that material might smell like for reference. It might have different nuances compared to the real thing but its close enough. Its also nice to use when formulating and trials instead of ever wasting expensive materials.
Yeah nice point! That's pretty much what I've done with rose and jasmine as I can't afford them at the moment. Even with those two I can tell it's not a perfect recreation but definitely seems like they should be a 'good enough' reference for concepting.
Yea same with me with oud. Liked it enough to buy the real thing.
Eden Botanicals is a great company when just starting out. They have tiny samples and as of last time I ordered you get some for free depending on what you buy. Definitely saved me tons so far, a few oils I was so glad I didn’t end up with a bunch of.
@@wib6044 I have bought a Lot from Eden Botanicals they are the world leader in plant based oils or at least one of the top leaders. I got a sample of Agarwood it smells Heavenly.
Honestly, i really love and appreciate your information/videos so much. Please keep up the good work. =D
Thank you!
Great video! I've been seriously pondering whether or not to get into the perfume industry recently. Your video is the first lesson I've learned this week lol.. I would like to sell body oils/perfume oils and thought I was really getting somewhere by buying the cheap fragrance oils... Luckily, I have only purchased two oils to test out before realizing something was completely wrong... "Horrible chemical scent" is not what I was going for. A little research blew my mind (your video confirms the importance of research) and I'm now waiting for a legit oil to be delivered from Mountain Rose Herbs. The real thing is definitely more expensive but absolutely necessary to produce a high quality product. Every dollar counts these days and it's best to spend wisely. Thank you!
No problem, I’m glad you’re avoiding wasting your money on those, it’s so easy to buy a load!
I am so sad, I haven't seen you 2 years before, because I also did actually this particular mistake when I started getting deeper in perfumery I am passionate about. Now I am completely different person, than I used to be and I have earned some knowledge how perfume and cosmetic industry works... Very nice and informative vid, as always. You are really helping people understand perfume thing, keep it going.! Cheers and respect.
Thank you!!
I like Bentonite clay. I have added a little bit of Bentonite clay powder into some of my perfume oil mixes and it seems to make the perfume smell more organic and natural it also makes it safer for the skin. The scent appears even stronger. I believe that the clay powder binds even in powder form to some of the molecules in a way that it makes the molecular structure more complex. More like it occurs in nature. Rudolf Steiner talked about this a lot around 1900 that isolating chemical components out of plants and minerals is removing the molecules from a larger more complex molecular structure or chain and that changes the natural structure where it's no longer balanced. He emphasized that keeping natural molecular structures in their whole and complex form is necessary for our health, consumption and use in general. Same with white sugar for example they have removed the other good things from the sugar and isolated the white sugar or glucose molecules. The result is that white sugar actually docks onto the minerals and other nutrients in the person's body where is actually leaches out the minerals and vital molecules. That's what Steiner was warning us about. We should leave all substances from nature in their whole forms. Regarding chemistry it's impossible to prevent people from experimenting of course and creating new stuff. But as a general rule of thumb I like whole food and whole plant oils. But I will add the clay powder to the artificial scents to make them more whole. I also take hydrated Bentonite clay internally every day which helped me a whole lot. It binds, adsorbs, absorbs anything that is not natural into it's macro molecule and makes it safe.
Question… mixing clay and water will grow mold and bacteria even with a preservative… i wonder if is the same about clay and oil mix?
Very informative. I’m just getting started so this is great to know for sure! Thanks Sam!
No problem, glad I can help
This is how I started :). but when I start buying base, AC, absolute and EO its a different ball game. started learning and with in 5 months I was able to create a base accord. And the quality is so much better. and you can control how it evaporates and diffuses.
Where do you buy them?
@@erickittles1519 there are alot of supliers, it is mention in his video alot of time.
I feel for that mistake when I first started out too. I saw "Fragrance oils" was like half the price of the other materials....and was like "oh ill save money and buy these!". Sad Sad mistake when i first started, lol :(
I think everyone does to be honest. I'm sure people will watch this and still do it haha.
Thank you so much for sharing this information. I’m passionate about perfumes and have been collecting perfumes for 7 years. i just started a new hobby in perfumery and I made this mistake by buying fragrance oils but they really don’t work well. I’ll start looking for bases and will update this comment with the results 👍🏼
No worries, glad the video could help. Sorry you had to buy them but hopefully you will be able to find something of better quality. Good luck!
@@sammacer how do you create these bases yourself? Is there a way to know the chemical compositions of these naturals we're trying to re-create without being a chemist?
@@jesussalas4974 i was ginna ask the same thing ?
You can find with a little searching online. Perfumers apprentice will sometimes list the formulas of their accords and bases, typically when it’s student created.
There are books, he did a video on.
Other than that you have to create them yourself through trial and error.
Ultimately you will be diving into using individual essential oils and aroma chemicals.
Excellent channel man! Greatly appreciate the straight up facts
I wouldn’t have it any other way
Thanks man. I just got into this and wanted to make more soaps and solid perfumes. I was looking for a specific smell and bought a rum premium fragrance oil. Smells great but i knew it was something fishy about using I wanted to make. To good to be true
Great tip! I ordered some fragrance oils from a very cheap store and they smell terrible lol. I wonder what you think of pure essential oils and absolutes? I like the idea of mixing natural scents with “different” synthetic ones. Any thoughts on that? Have you used essential oils or absolutes yourself and what are your thoughts? I’ve read they don’t last as long as synthetic ones but maybe using a less diluted mix could work? Cheers!
Essential oils and absolutes are an essential part of the perfumers palette and I use them in combination with synthetics, which is what I recommend. You have to be careful though since the quality between manufacturers varies wildly.
This might be a beginner question, but for example, is 10mg of a material diluted to 10%, the same as 1mg of the same material undiluted at 100%? Or does different dilutions give materials different effects when adding to a blend, even if the quantity is adjusted to match the concentration percentage?
Because when replicating formulas, I would sometimes adjust all the material quantities based on 10% dilutions, since I usually have my materials diluted at 10%
Thanks in advance!
Great video, I checked the website of the the companies you mentioned on this video, unfortunately there is no a purchase option. Can you provide a link or instruction on how to order a product from these companies?
Love your content! Learned a tonne from it. But I still find it difficult to differentiate which supplier to purchase the raw materials from. Would you have any recommendations for those who shipped into Malaysia?
Hey Sam I have a quick question that’s a bit unrelated to the video. Most DIY perfumers are probably starting off by buying 15-30 ml bottles. If one was hoping to fill multiple 30ml perfume bottles, do you think it’d be possible using 15-30 ml fragrance materials?
I know that there’d probably be specifics like amount used and whatever else, but if we were to assume that we’d be using approx. 1gram per 30ml bottle, do you think It’d be possible or would you rather recommend by larger size materials?
I normally buy materials as a 10ml or 5ml sample. If you're just doing trial blends and only making a couple of perfumes, then that amount should be fine. I only buy larger amounts if I'm scaling up for a full production batch.
For anyone else reading this now…
Yea you really don’t need much, but it depends on what your doing. If your blends are 15+ individual ingredients smaller is plenty. If you are just doing single aroma sprays like lavender or orange, buy the bigger bottles. There also is the concentration.
For a 10% spray you will need about 2 grams of juice.
A thirty mil bottle will hold 24 ish grams of liquid total (depending on how big atomizer insert is) and How thick your juice is.
Figuring out the concentration is a little tricky. What I do is fill the bottle up with alcohol first while on the scale. Put atomizer in to make sure it is not going to overflow (remove atomizer) Then subtract % of concentrate from total weight, and remove that amount of alcohol.
Then fill in that amount of juice. The juice may take up same amount of volume, but weighs more so it takes a little bit of finagling to make sure your bottles are filled to the top and at the correct %.
good vid man... learned a lot... saved me money, I'm new to perfumery
Another great video Sam. I'm just starting out in this exciting hobby after collecting perfume for the last 2 years. Was looking to by my first lot of ingredients from plush folly here in the uk. Do you know anything about them? I know you recommend pell wall but the prices there are a lot higher. In the US they seem to be able to get stuff much cheaper at perfumers apprentice
Thanks Phil. Glad you're starting out, I hope you enjoy it as much as I do! To be honest, I have never used plush folly so I can't say anything about it. It does look a little on the cheap side, though I guess partly because they don't seem to include VAT in their prices. Pell Wall are a little expensive but are known for quality. I don't see why not try plush folly though! Also, another option is that I just recently decided to start trailing my own ingredients kit aimed at not being too expensive. I talk about it at the end of my latest video, you can find it here if you're interested: lux-terra.co.uk/collections/perfumery-supplies/products/perfumery-ingredient-kit-build-your-own
Cheers for the quick reply Sam. Will check your site out. You know how it is when you have no materials at all. You want the most for your money. Keep up the great content
Just another quick question Sam. Seen you've tried a few mystic moments oils. Are they ok for a beginner? Looking at getting vetiver and labdanum. I appreciate your advice cheers
@@philcasson3262 The thing is with Mystic Moments is the longer I try to use them, the more I just don't see it as viable anymore. Lots of the oils aren't of perfumery quality (order the same essential oil from mystic moments and Pell Wall and you will see - I would actually suggest trying this). Even some of the ones that I previously thought were good have developed off odours over time. I would honestly recommend buying fewer high quality oils from a perfumery supplier like Pell Wall and diluting them so they last longer.
@@philcasson3262 No worries Phil. Yeah I completely understand - when I started out I was a teenager and had almost no money to spend on perfumery - I was trying to mix things in shot glasses to avoid buying bottles (which it turns out ends up being more expensive and worse as you can wash bottles and re-use them and the plastic in the shot glasses can dissolve into the perfume, and everything evaporates). I'm trying to keep the prices as low as possible on my store because of that. If you see anything on my store that seems priced badly please do let me know so I can look further into where I'm sourcing from :)
Yes…… I’ve done the thing your talking about. Thank you for this information 🙏👍
Great!
You mentioned a lot of companies but I’m confused on hire to actually order their products. Most of them only offer a catalog but I where would I go to actually order or buy these products?
I've seen people "making perfume" to sell with all fragrance oils. It just boggles my mind why one would do that except for laziness and greed. Then its just insulting to those of us who are passionate about it and really take the time to learn the craft. If you're making soap or candles that's one thing but to pour fragrance oil into bottles and sell it is not it!
I completely agree!
your videos are so helpful, thank you! i’m just getting started and i’m interested in creating oil based perfumes… is that a thing?? huge newbie…i’d like to use a carrier oil rather than perfumers alcohol due to the shipping prohibitions here in the US. if i understand correctly, these aren’t to be used in this fashion? along with the essential oils, what should i use instead of fragrance oils? thanks so much for your help!
You can make oil based perfume: it’s done frequently in many Middle Eastern countries. You would use a mixture of natural and synthetic raw materials like any other perfume. I wouldn’t recommend cheap fragrance oils if you want to make high quality fine fragrance.
Hey Sam, small question form the big state of Texas. I watched this video just before buying a set of fragrance oils form Amazon. Took them all out of my cart. I looked into the sites and started kits you mentioned. It all seems like it’s chemicals (fragrances) diluted in alcohol. I’m trying to make solid cologne and believe the heat from the balm mixture would just evaporate or mess with the chemistry of the fragrance. So my question to you is, are all fragrance oils created equal? I found some quality fragrance oils on Perfumers Apprentice and wanted to know if those would be more (or just as) appropriate for the purpose of making a solid cologne rather than traditional kits and fragrances?
Given that this is something I noticed, it's not a hard and fast rule. Given that Perfumer's Apprentice are a reputable perfumery supplier, I would imagine that they are fine to use. I can't vouch for it though.
Newbie here, would like to ask are ESSENTIAL OIL are much better than FRAGRANCE OIL in perfumery?
Used to wonder why my perfumes always left a terrible soapy drydown... but then I said hey wait a minute, didn't most of these ingredients come from Bramble Berry. (They were gifts.)
Makes a lot of sense!
Can I use in all the perfume galaxolide and dpg as well together if yes will it disturb my perfume notes
A true quality channel
Thank you
I’m new to creating my own fragrance, I also live in America. Where should I go to find these fragrance bases?
So if in shop I have those categories
-natural essential oils
-oil compositions
-Absolutes
-Attar
-Molecules
-Aldehydes
-fragrance compunds
which categories to choose from?
Everything but not oil compositions, attar and fragrance compounds
Hi I liked your video very much. I’m very new to perfumery. I tried to make a perfume with vanilla extract, water and vanilla beans today. Didn’t turn out super great. I would love to make myself a nice smelling vanilla perfume. If you have ever done this feel free to leave some tips haha thanks 😊 Also, is this new hobby I’m getting myself into dangerous? I know I might sound a bit silly, but, I’m probably not going to like asphyxiate myself messing around with these things right? I just have no idea, and I couldn’t find out through google.
Hey. Sounds like a great idea but maybe you are overcomplicating things using vanilla beans and water. I would just try perfumer's alcohol and vanilla CO2 extract alone. In terms of dangerous, as much as any other practical hobby maybe: In general it's fine but at the end of the day you should read up about how to stay safe and certainly not get pure raw materials in your eyes etc. Keep your workspace well ventilated. You should read the safety documents supplied with your raw materials as each on will be different. Safety in perfumery is it's whole own topic...
@@sammacer ok thanks so much!!
I just got into perfumery and created a few perfumes with fragrance oils and perfume base etc. and let them marinate for a two month period. So far they all smell lovely and last on skin the entire day and sillage is surprisingly amazing. I smell it on my clothes for days also. I’ve got to look into these new products and methods and give it a tru
How do you feel about making your own? As in distilling etc???
what you make you think that you cant used fragrance oil to make a high class scent
it dpend if you know to used them with out that sticky feeling
my that i have made some tha last 25 years
Hey Sam, As per usual, you never disappoint!! You have such amazing knowledge of perfumery.. I wish I could spend the day with and just make perfumes! lol However, I live in the US and cant find a decent, Grade A online site that carries fragrance oil. Can you recommend one or some?
Hey, thanks! Yeah as I say, I would recommend you get some bases instead of fragrance oils. For example here on perfumer's apprentice you can look for things made by the manufacturers I mentioned in the video: shop.perfumersapprentice.com/c-50-bases-and-blends.aspx
@@sammacer I bought a lot of fragrance oils from that sight some prenuim is that still fine for making a fragrance
I am preparing detergent powder and liquid detergent, for that what shall I use for good fragrance, from India
I'm sorry but I don't have expertise with liquid detergent
Can you share the music you have added on the end of this video, Sam?
I’m trying to make a perfume oil, not a perfume.. can I use fragrance oils or no
I think all the beginners have the same mindset as you said .❤️
So we’re supposed to use chemicals that smell natural?
Hi, very detailed and informative video.
Quick question, can I use these bases in body mists, body oils and or butters? I ask,since I want to start making product lines with the same scents,quality but affordable.
FYI you have a new subbie.
Thanks! Yes you can!
Thanks! Yes you can!
what about those great-smelling oud oils from Dubai? is it possible to turn those into fragrances?
Hi Sam, I love your videos. I just wanted to know how can I order the bases from these mentioned companies, like I tried but they don’t have any bases listed on their websites. What should I do ?
They don’t sell directly to consumers unfortunately. Websites like Pell Wall and Perfumer’s Apprentice resell them to everyday people
hi i am form india i want start to make my own perfume but i am confuse to purchase perfume for diulation or make my own perfume please guide me ,
Hey Sam! you mentioned some of the companies you can buy some ingredients, but most of them do not have a price, and some can sell 100 ml, that it is a little too much for the beginner. Do you know where I can find samples of 10 ml? Thanks
perfumersworld
Where to get good bases? But isn't oils good to get. To get yr nose accustom to diffrent oil types?
where to buy these good quality in usa ?
Hi, very great video! i am just starting out in parfume making. I live in belgium, do you know a A grade quality site
In belgium for natural oils?
Can you make video of diluting few key aroma chemicals like ambroxan, celone, also some different resins and absolutes please.
Sure, I'll get round to it at some point
Yes please do that! There is no video I can find!
Is Luzi a good perfume fragrance oil company ?
Are the “fragrance oils” you refer to what we call “essential oils”?
I’m not trying to make perfumes I’m making scented shea butter but i need to know what’s in those oils that’s are $42 for one bottle they dint even come with ingredients , just a plastic bottle with the name and it’s colored . I was thinking if i find out what they use to scent then i cud make them
Myself . But nobody wants to tell me that !
It’s not in the companies interest to disclose the ingredients since it would hurt their sales
there is some fragrance oil that smell freaking good... loran oils, P&J Trading's oils both are premieum grades fragrance oils.. with base it seams like i can never find a huge choice of option,,, specially that i would like to create something more candy like smell,i really like the Cola smell... tryed to find a cola base.... never found one anywhere, but fragarnce oil have this scent and smell amazing!
Don't throw the oils away - better give them to someone. Maybe someone will make a candle or soap with them.
Don't worry, I'm keeping them closed up in the box just in case I need them for future reference.
I heard the oils don't give people headaches. I have to stop using alcohol cologne because I get headaches everytime I use them.
The voice of reason!
i made some fragrance oil mixes. and end up product smelled like victoria secret Angel. lasted long also. an i also mixed some aromachemicals and naturales and made something that smelled like lagerfield Jako. i think its a doble edge sword. it is true that FO arent 100 made for only perfumes, but u can make something pretty good out of it. depends the manufacturer and quality. it depends really. some aromachemicals smell pretty bad, others very faint smell, others alright, others pretty good, some very cheap other very expensive. depends again. perfumery is becoming more of a luxury . women prefer to buy 5 bucks 8oz body mist than spend 100 on an edp. the edp may have better ingredients but the smell is meh, ur paying more for the brand and image than the perfume compound. sad true. plus ifra restrictions, its becoming tighter to make quality perfume without spending a fortune.
Yep you’re completely right that it depends on the manufacturer and quality. I’m sure there are some great quality products out there marketed as fragrance oils but from what I’ve seen most are not usable in a high end perfume. And yes, many aromachemicals are weak etc but that that’s where the art of perfumery comes in; how do you compose them together. And of course, cost considerations are always important in perfumery. That’s why I try to make perfumes for my brand affordable; I know most people don’t want hyper expensive niche fragrances, just something that smells great at a good price.
So what are they using to get that actual scent ? I assumed it was the actual perfume mixed with with quality oils but it baffles me how it’s colored
They will use a mixture of fragrant raw materials and colourants amongst other ingredients
hi. can I just use fragrance oil as it is . on the body ? I don't have to anything for making it into a perfume or bla bla , I just wanted to use oil on body for smelling good .. so can I use fragrance oil ? i am just confused ..
Well, my videos are about perfume making specifically. If you want to use the fragrance oils on your skin you should check their IFRA certificate to check if they’re safe for that
Are there other suppliers other than Pell wall in the uk?
Hey. Could you please help.
How can I found the perfume oils of different countries in India as few websites do not provide the delivery in India.
Try perfumersworld
Totally agree but I have a big dilemma cause i have all the high quality stuff but i have ONE vedy cheap fragrance oil that i absolutley ADORE, it s a biscuit and i have no ideea how to make that exact smell, neber found anything like it, it blends beautifully with my bases and other stuff but i have no ideea what procentage to use it safely cause i have no ideea what s in it and at what procentages, it s strong so i assume if i use it in low quantities it should be safe skinwise? I guess this is another reason why FOs are bad but damn this one is my guilty pleasure and yet i have no ideea how to work with it or if you could even get something that has a fragrance oil that just lists "perfume" in it even aproved to be sold. Very foggy on this one. How did you used them in the begining?
You could try contacting the supplier and asking them for an IFRA certificate
Can we use aroma oils in making perfume oils in combination with EO?
Yes of course
Hello. I am Jibran from Pakistan. I am beginner and what to make perfume like “Clive Christian No.1”, Portrait of the Lady etc. Please help how to make it. We have few Chemicals i.e Galaxolide, Hedione, ISO E Super, Musk Ambrette and Essential Oils
u have a great basic ones. u need more.
@sammacer - I am experimenting with making perfume oils and the latest one is separating. I have used the best essential oils that I can afford and also added oud oil and black musk. I have tried warming the oil in a bowl of warm water and I've tried shaking it but after a few hours I get a layer of dark oil on the bottom and light (colour) oil on the top. The carrier oil I have used is grapeseed oil. Is there an emulsifier that I can use or do I throw it away and start again?
Hello, did you get an answer? I also have the same question.
@@Mohamedali-es5kf hello my friend, I just kept going with the warm baths and shaking every 12 hours or so and eventually it mixed.
I get it, you covered the base notes. What about mid and top notes? Where do you get those from?
Actually this video isn’t about basenotes - bases are something entirely different
Does this apply with essential oils? I bought lime cold pressed essential oil but it smells like kids sweeties.
There are lots of low quality essential oils out there, but lime does in fact smell like that indeed!
Also Pell Wall can't shio to Serbia, do you have a suggestion for a company that can send ingredients to Balkan counties?
I’m not sure myself but check out all of the suppliers I recommended in my most recent video
Hello, I appreciated this video, which veered me away from purchasing fragrance oils as I start my journey. Do you have any recommendations or general insight into the ethics and sustainability practices of the major fragrance companies listed? I examined Payan Bertrand's catalogue of raw materials, which totaled 167 scents. Only 11 of those were ethically sourced. While I appreciate their transparency, it makes me wonder how widespread unethical sourcing practices are in the perfume industry? Insight or a video on this would be greatly appreciated.
I don’t have any insights on that unfortunately, however you could always try contacting the individual companies since I’d imagine every company is different
Thank you for your response !@@sammacer
Thank you for all the tips! But where is a good place for me to buy perfume oils if I live in Sweden?
I’m not sure but check out the suppliers in my perfumery course video
Hey Sam good video. I have a question. I'm about to start making perfume too but I can't figure out how to put hase from these companies. From everything Ive seen on their sites, all I am seeing is everything about the company and products but don't see any way to purchase.
They don’t sell to end users - you have to buy through a reseller such as Pell Wall
@@sammacer oh ok. Big thanks Sam. Much appreciated.
Will it be a good idea to mix them with a career oil to use as a perfume??
No
do you think its a good idea to focus on base notes only without top and middle?ill make sandalwood and vanilla 30% then 70% mineral oil?im your new fan now!
No - if you do that, your perfumes will not project well
@@sammacer sir i have a question,can i make an oil based perfume that has projection,sillage ang longevity?is it possible for oil based or much better use alcohol based?
@@mi-vy8xm It will be better to make alcohol based since oil based can prevent projection and silage.
@@sammacer i agree with you,even expensive perfumes dont use oil based perfumes because the sillage and projection will suffer,but whats the perfect type of alcohol should we use,and im confused with that fixatives,what it really does?
@@mi-vy8xm Google is your friend. 'Perfumer's alcohol' should be fine.
Thank you very much for your videos! I LOVE them. Please don't forget put the subtitles on because my English is not enough. Congratulations from Spain 🖐️
Hola! Thanks for bringing this up. I don't have the time unfortunately to do the subtitles manually, but I'll look to see if there are any options to correct the autogenerated ones.
Love your British accent 🥰💕 greetings from Iran
Haha thanks
I also think where it comes from is important, I'm a novice perfumer as well, and I've gotten a couple F.O's from the Perfumers Apprentice which is a professional perfume supply company.
But yes it is better to learn to make your own accords as much as possible.
Ahh yes. In that case of Perfumers apprentice they're most likely trustworthy. It's difficult to make the distinction of terminology (not just as a buyer, but also me when making the video) sometimes as some good suppliers occasionally use the term 'Fragrance Oil' and some bad ones still call them something else instead.
Can I use perfume concentrate as a f.o. in candles?
Yes you can, it’s akin to making your own “FO”, not all raw materials will be compatible with candles though and I’m not an expert in that topic
Hi there bro! Is there any platform where i can discus perfumery with you? I would like to learn more
You can join my discord server, link is in the description of my newer videos
This what i was looking for
can you name those perfumers company that really sells legit base perfume?thank you very much!
Pell Wall
Do perfumers apprentice fragrance oils apply to this? I thought you had recommended them as a supplier previously
They are a great supplier in general but I do not recommend their fragrance oils
This video was very useful. The good thing is I make candles also.
Fantastic!
Where do you suggest getting a quality fragrance oil, if even possible, for someone who cant or doesnt have any interest in making them? Is it even possible? I was thinking maybe a perfumer but not sure where to even begin to find one. Hoping someone who is actually knowledgeable on the subject can point me in the right direction. I know, like you said, the FO’s being sold online commercially are garbage.
It depends. Are you looking for a pre-made base to incorporate into your own perfume formulas, or are you looking for a finished fragrance concentrate which you can simply add alcohol to to make finished perfumes without doing any perfumery?
@@sammacer I am looking for a complete finished product that is not trash like everything iv found online for my candles. The FOs remind me of car air refreshers sold at car washes and gas station, additionally like you mentioned they are so diluted. Its pretty clear FOs being sold online throughout these websites marketed towards candle and soap makers are in reality just part of the hobby industry, not something worth putting into a final product. Perfuming is nothing less than an art and requires so much skill and knowledge, both i strongly lack. Lol. I know in a perfume the quality has got to be a lot higher, i assume. But from what iv found, even the few that are nice are so weak from dilution im assuming. I know the candle making process, I understand the usual mistake made by most is to add the fragrance to wax thats so hot all that happens is the actual FO is evaporated and if anythings left its the oil used in diluting the FO. I thought if im gonna get any factual information i might as well ask a perfumer. 🙏🏼
@@lolasbananas It's hard for me to make recommendations as I don't make candles or soaps - other perfumers will be able to advise you better than me. One thing I could recommend if you're looking for more 'premium' / high quality pre-made fragrance concentrates is that you try some of the 'bases and blends' from Pell Wall. These can be used in a fine fragrance and as such the quality is much better than the 'Fragrance Oils' you can find. They should work in candles / soaps but you would have to try it and see. pellwall.com/product-category/ingredients-for-perfumery/bases/
@@sammacer can you suggest where to buy concentrate so I can add alcohol I’m trying to make perfume for cars
Please help me to select the best fixative and bases for my perfume business
I think you should learn the fundamentals of perfumery instead of looking for quick fixes to be honest
i wish in my country there are more seller for perfume base
Can you please share if acords work with carrier oils I am just starting and find the carrier oil type a better carrier ( on 50% medical alcohol 35 dist water so.e glycerin and es oil mix I got some skin irritation, by second attempt at 40% spirt 40% water is better)but I want to know if it can mix carrier oil and Vitamin E with that iso... ambroxan , vannilin and so on acords?
I don’t understand
@@sammacer Thank you for your responce :) can the accords work with carrier oil instead of ethanol dalution , for example valilin ect.
What's the name of the company your saying, pearl wall?
Pell Wall
Very good video my friend.
I’ve been watching a few videos and getting more curious and concerned. I’m looking to make my own perfume to remove dangerous and harsh/ endocrine disrupting/ cancer causing chemicals from my routine. Hedione on the pell site you recommended to someone has a safety data sheet. It doesn’t seem safe to work with/ spray on yourself from what I read on the safety data sheet. Warns against inhalation and contact with skin… this seems counterproductive considering it’s used in perfumes that do exactly those things. I’m becoming more concerned with perfumery in general. I know organic/ fully natural essential oils can cause mild skin irritation if applied in large quantities, undiluted and directly to skin, but the other hazards appear low. I also know they probably don’t preform as well as synthetics, but they seem not super great for our health/ the health of the environment. Thoughts?
Yep those sheets seem scary don’t they? Check out the SDS sheets for organic natural essential oils and you’ll see exactly the same warnings. You have to remember that these sheets are often used for things like a factory handling massive tanks of the substance - in that case they need to know weather to use a respirator and what to do if someone spills the pure stuff all over their hand etc. Turns out most things are dangerous in the right dose.
Luckily in perfumery, a lot of very smart people at the IFRA are constantly studying all of the potentially harmful effects of perfumery raw materials. They publish safety guidelines for safe usage levels (both synthetic and naturals) based on the latest research.
So in short - no, synthetics aren’t less safe than naturals. But perfume at all is slightly less safe than not using it - but similar to how eating bacon increases the risk of cancer or driving a car increases the risk of an accident: most people find the risk for perfume well worth it, though of course at the end of the day it’s up to you 😊
@11:55 you mention where you buy from but i couldnt make out what you said please?
Pell Wall
Where can I find some bases in USA? Google search only pulls up fragrance oils
Bought mine from vetiver aromatics
Perfumers Apprentice
Fragrance oil have a longer shelf life and if you look for the afi u on point,plus there a lot of EO Companies that sell crap and synthetic oil,I saw a chemist make perfume with versace eros fragrance oil
What do you mean by afi? And yes it does seem to happen with essential oils as well, maybe I should have mentioned in this video but could also be a future one.
Is this chemist from Philippines?
where do i get chemicals like iso e super, please?
Check out the suppliers listed in my perfumery course video
The problem is if you r starting you don’t have much cash and people expect you to sell reasonable price 😏
Btw do you sell any course or know anyone?
Thanks
If you're simply interested in making a profit, I wouldn't recommend perfumery!
I don't currently sell any courses, sorry.
The hardest part I have difficulty with is finding good suppliers.
Try Pell Wall, I use them
there is this one brand in my country that does not list the type of product (whether it's essential oil, fragrance oil, etc). BUT, they only write on the label "(The company's name), manufacturer of Essential Oil". very misleading
they sell Sandalwood oil about 4 bucks per 100 grams. LOL
Haha well that’s definitely not legit 😂
Thank you very much for this informational video. What's your take on essential oils for perfumes?
My pleasure. Essential oils are used in perfumery all the time. The trick is to use perfumery grade essential oils / essential oils from reputable perfumery suppliers since most which are sold are cheaper and for end consumers who do not require exceptional olfactory quality.
What do you recommend for a good coconut scent
For a coconut accord, Aldehyde C18 and bicyclononalactone are good places to start
@@sammacer and for lime can I use doterra essential oil, do you recommend?
@@sammacer and what do you recommend for white pepper and sea salt?
If I was wanting to train my nose to identify certain notes in a perfume, are "essential oils" the right way to go?
Essential oils will get you some of the way there, but most of the mass in modern perfumes is made up of aromachemicals
It’s not that I don’t appreciate what you are saying but I do have to point out you’re not providing the whole picture here are you? Where as its true the fragrance oil industry have the ability to create scents not available in nature (candyfloss etc) it also makes exact replicas of fragrances out of reach unless you work for a major perfume house such as ambergris, Bulgarian Rose Oil or Champaca Absolute to name but a few. Also, the vast majority of fragrance oils include essential oils as part of their building blocks. There are hundreds of FO’s that are completely allergen free whilst there are no essential oils that are allergen free. You eluded that FO’s have fillers so more FO is needed, well that is mostly untrue as all people selling products that include FO are still required by law to adhere to the maximum percentages rates laid out by IFRA so nobody can just "add more". Mostly, to provide balance here, ALL the major perfume houses use fragrance oils and they will always use more FO's when particular essential oils become hard to find because of crop failure due to adverse weather or disease. Each to their own I say but you could argue that you’re being a little disingenuous here.
I’m sorry but this is full of misinformation and contradicting assertions. I would advise you to do some research around perfumery raw materials and the fragrance industry.
@@sammacer I am part of the industry so please if you have any questions please ask away.
@@nowexit That sounds fantastic. What do you do?
@@sammacer I own a plant distillation farm in Southern UK. I produce essential oils and hydrolats (floral waters) to the cosmetic industry.
@@nowexit Fantastic. I think you misunderstood the video. Since my channel is about making fine fragrance, I'm sure you're aware that many grades of essential oil and fragrance oil are unsuitable for fine fragrance and marketed for aromatherapy, soap making etc. It is easy to misunderstand since there are too some suitable products marketed using the term "fragrance oil". In practice however, the novice fine fragrance perfumer who doesn't know better is all too easily sold on the countless products sold as "fragrance oil" on websites like amazon which were never meant for fine fragrance. I think you're misunderstanding since I did advocate "bases from reputable perfumery manufacturers", i.e. F&F industry bases designed for use in fine fragrance - I'm not counting these as "fragrance oils" in the context of this video. I also advocate using aromachemicals. What I am trying to advise is simply that most fragrant oils for sale are not suitable for fine fragrance and this is not clear for those without experience.
Givaudan doesn't have a buy option on their site
No, they’re a manufacturer so they only do wholesale
What kind of perfumery training do you suggest
It really depends on your goals; if you’re interested in learning from home, I would recommend the basenotes forums, books and my channel. If you wish to go into the industry there are special schools.
@@sammacer I want to learn from home then see if I really love it. I’m a skincare lover. I love cosmetic chemistry and learning. Fragrance are just one of those things I love too and they are just so interesting to me. When I smell something I like I want to try and make it lol and learn to make my own.
@@PatriciaSolismua That's great - and yeah I think you could learn a lot from TH-cam and basenotes!