All these other car channels with 2, 3, 4, 20 cars that I lose interest in over time and Greg over here keeps me interested with the same single car for like 7 years.
Quality t-shirt, quality dyno testing, quality analysis! Well done, Miata Pops, and congrats on making some big boy power. Lets see some drag passes with the newfound top end!
@@JNAMOTORSPORTS power doesn’t matter when greg primarily wants a responsive turbod car, especially in a era where turbo technology is constantly getting better to the point where you dont need 70mm turbos to make north of 700
Boost OUT OF CONTROLLER:))) Such a CPC thing to say I could see you almost cried..after all this time in the driveway and that mouse hole of a garage..insane amount of time and effort you put into car, videos, and always left some energy to entertain. Tha car is sick, everything about it, and sounds sick, so yes, you can be proud. Cheers!
Super video. Thank you! I can just hear your engine talking at 32psi.... Oil: Hey, whats all this fuel swimming around down here? Rings: We're doing all we can, mate! Greg: Screwit! I'm slayin' mustangs!
The 7163 has surprisingly very similar response to 6758. It’s because for the 7163, the inlet turbine the compressor wheel has a hybrid design. It works so well it overcomes the size difference which would normally cause a decent bit of lag. That hybrid wheel solves that.
That's so awesome. Seeing your car reach levels that I could never hit with mine, I can live through you vicariously. The red car hits 500, my car backfires and stutters if I try to hit anything over 5 psi
@@Das-eq2wk You haven't correct it? Which car did you put it on? If it was a naturally aspirated car, never setup for turbos, most N/A computers will let you get away with up to around 4psi! After that the fuel and timing maps will be way off, it will run too lean and you can possibly damage your engine. The cure for that situation is to get a new chip, or a piggy back ecu and/or a dyno tune. If you are maxing out your fuel system, your looking at possibly a larger fuel pump and bigger injectors or aux injectors or more pressure in the fuel rail, and also have the computer tuned for that.
@@dennisrobinson8008 Im not running lean at all. 95 turbo with an MS3X. I believe its a spark issue because reducing dwell from 4ms to 2ms solves the problem until the car warms up, at which point it comes back. The thing is, I have ls2 coils. The misfiring still happened when I was on stock coils.
Wish I could give you more likes than just one, this was beyond awesome. Going the distance with the data, stops the arguments. Can't wait for the next one!
Seriously, thank you for doing all of this. The most aggravating thing in the world is going to a forum, reading 60 pages, with 0 resolve. You'll have 3 people arguing off topic, 2 battling out saying their set up did X and Y, and neither of them will have definitive data. If there is a way to get you into a research position somewhere in engineering, I'd sign the petition.
Holy! Man this is incredible. Inspired me to go the route of a 6258 and a Kraken setup through Fab9 before this came out. It’ll still be better for my application but man does it give me ideas. Thanks for always putting out such quality content. ❤️
Good video dude. Glad to see you finally graduate to the 6758. I'm stuck until I do trans/diff upgrades at 430whp, artificially kept my tq down in low rpms to keep my driveline alive... Love the data unload at the end.
I absolutely loved the video Greg, great to see you working on old red again, great comparison too. Can only imagine how many folks you made happy by checkin these two out back to back👍🏻
Imma say it right now I've never been more excited watching a video than this one right here. After what feels like such a long time the red car is finally back, and with truly massive numbers too! That 500 is totally yours Greg! What a freaking insane build.
Excellent video! All this knowledge and planning and parts swapping and money spending and video editing offered to everyone for free! You are a great man!
4:35 you know what else is hotly debated online: why Miata Dad doesn't have more subs! Great video as always, thank you for the in-depth look and comparing of datasets instead of clickbait and not answering the title of the video like some other channels do.
Incredible! I have a Kraken low mount and EFR. Taking that thing off and swapping out your 6258 for the 6758 during a dyno session is no joke, and exactly why I'm buying you a gallon of E85. Mad respect, Greg. Thanks for the awesome data. You're an inspiration.
Lol when you paused and gave that little speech after the 1st good dyno pull.... I could feel that pain. Its literally ALWAYS something. Ugh. I felt that. Anyways, congrats on the new turbo, AMAZING video and thanks for doing this comparison. Ive always wondered about this comparison and more recently have been leaning toward the 6758. Appreciate ya
Fair play thats crazy fast in a mx5!😆 I can fully appreciate all the work that goes into your videos just for the benefit of us the viewers, nice one! 🤙🏼
Amazing work and amazing results! You mentioned the entire fuel system needs upgrading. When do the hard fuel lines become a limiting factor? I'm thinking of the fuel lines that run between the fuel pump/tank and the engine bay.
I worked through a similar decision process with mine, without the benefit of a clear back to back test, and chose the 6758. The car (vvt engined Mx5) is now tuned comfortably north of 450hp.
Phenomenal video! Thank you for taking the time (and the data logs) to present all this information so concisely. Whilst my days of MX5 ownership are behind me (for now), this level of detail is fascinating to anyone who is looking to further their understanding of turbo setups, boost threshold and response.
Great video, the more info the better :) . Do you log the speed on the new turbo? Would be interesting to see where your at now. You clearly showed how important the efficieny is, and why pushing a too small turbo to the limits might not be the best solution. I did many turbo tests in OEM labs developing turbo systems, even in multi million dollar test cells rerunning the base line is kind of important(though chasing smaller differences) , cred to you for doing it!
I actually had a few minutes about comp speed edited into this video and I had to take it out. I made an error, I didn't realize the 6258 has a 14 blade compressor and the 6758 has a 12 blade, so even though it was reading 133k, it should actually be around 154k, which is the limit of the 6758. This turbo is very near to its limit at 500, but I'm certainly at least going to take it for a re-tune with the bigger fuel system and see if I can't find just 2.4whp somewhere.
10/10. Love these videos and your dedication over all these years. Absolutely love seeing how well these borgwarner turbos perform! Thank you for such detailed information
Job well done I was also curious about those turbos and how they will respond on a similar sized engine. Super thorough, super detailed, super scientific approach to find the difference between them.
You may want to mount your extinguisher to the inside driver door so when your first reaction is to 'get out,' it is outside already with you once the door is (left) open and you can react.
the formula for the exhaust is (horsepower/10)+35 (in mm) so 3inch=75mm is good 400hp crank for your hp you need 3,5 which is for 525hp crank, for me you need 3 3/4 at least and for this set up. this is the reason for your pressure build up. nice job again keep the hp rising.
Well done sir! I have a 6758 on my NC and always wondered what the actual difference was in these... also congrats on a 500 rwhp miata... that thing must be a handful!!!! I LOVE DATA!!!!,
@Alex Kella honestly not sure... never put it on a dyno... been busy racing it as often as possible! :) but it should be well north of 300 at the wheels... I do love the responsiveness of the turbo though...
Awesome! Just a note, looks like you either misspoke in the video or your article has a typo, but when you compared 0-20 psi times (around 31:41 in the video) from 4500 rpm, you said it was 0.86 and 0.79. These don't match up exactly with what the table in the article says.
Keep it up I want to see it once on a track and see the performance! Because of you I learned what I want to do with my miata and mostly important, HOW to make it. Again, I want to tell you that I love your content!
29:47 miata papa showing everyone that even if you aren't able to show up to the local socal twisties, statistically, he would still take you to gapplebees.
Well I give up... You win.. insaine! Congratulations. What a beast
No give up. Must push further. Don't let the 1.8 boys hold their victory
@@str8slayn1 Sorry man, but I think Ima need 2.4L for this one...
@@Doink420 don't even think about it. Take those dirty thoughts and toss them in the trash. Then leave the bag on Greg's porch.
I'm only making 402 on my 1.8 you got me beat Quinn lol
@@Doink420 L3VDT / 2.3 DISI swap time
All these other car channels with 2, 3, 4, 20 cars that I lose interest in over time and Greg over here keeps me interested with the same single car for like 7 years.
Quality t-shirt, quality dyno testing, quality analysis! Well done, Miata Pops, and congrats on making some big boy power. Lets see some drag passes with the newfound top end!
Do you know where a guy could get a shirt like that?
electronic boost control on this would be so fucking nutty plsssss
I don’t care for small turbos And all this response non sense
Go for the bigger housing and make the big power from the get go
@@JNAMOTORSPORTS power doesn’t matter when greg primarily wants a responsive turbod car, especially in a era where turbo technology is constantly getting better to the point where you dont need 70mm turbos to make north of 700
Boost OUT OF CONTROLLER:))) Such a CPC thing to say
I could see you almost cried..after all this time in the driveway and that mouse hole of a garage..insane amount of time and effort you put into car, videos, and always left some energy to entertain. Tha car is sick, everything about it, and sounds sick, so yes, you can be proud.
Cheers!
Super video. Thank you!
I can just hear your engine talking at 32psi....
Oil: Hey, whats all this fuel swimming around down here?
Rings: We're doing all we can, mate!
Greg: Screwit! I'm slayin' mustangs!
greg: aight jus 1 mo psi
engine: aight i'll take it
fuelpump: what you doin stepbro. i'm stuck
Just when I thought 400hp in a Miata was insane... crazy numbers man. Keep up the awesome work, I would be mostly lost with my NA without your videos!
And can get to 500whp without much if any loss of lower speed torque.
Keep it up kraigh, 32 psi is crazy
Such quality Greg, that’s what we appreciates about you
The 7163 has surprisingly very similar response to 6758. It’s because for the 7163, the inlet turbine the compressor wheel has a hybrid design. It works so well it overcomes the size difference which would normally cause a decent bit of lag. That hybrid wheel solves that.
7163 is also a twin scroll design too
That's so awesome. Seeing your car reach levels that I could never hit with mine, I can live through you vicariously.
The red car hits 500, my car backfires and stutters if I try to hit anything over 5 psi
Did you correct it? Sounds like a fuel and tune issue.
@@dennisrobinson8008 It just started happening one day a month after i finished my turbo build. That day was like two years ago.
@@Das-eq2wk You haven't correct it? Which car did you put it on? If it was a naturally aspirated car, never setup for turbos, most N/A computers will let you get away with up to around 4psi! After that the fuel and timing maps will be way off, it will run too lean and you can possibly damage your engine. The cure for that situation is to get a new chip, or a piggy back ecu and/or a dyno tune. If you are maxing out your fuel system, your looking at possibly a larger fuel pump and bigger injectors or aux injectors or more pressure in the fuel rail, and also have the computer tuned for that.
@@dennisrobinson8008 Im not running lean at all. 95 turbo with an MS3X. I believe its a spark issue because reducing dwell from 4ms to 2ms solves the problem until the car warms up, at which point it comes back. The thing is, I have ls2 coils. The misfiring still happened when I was on stock coils.
@@Das-eq2wk That makes sense.
Been here since the days of the budget build which I followed with my own Miata in the UK! Congratulations Geg, can’t wait to see the dragy runs
Wish I could give you more likes than just one, this was beyond awesome. Going the distance with the data, stops the arguments. Can't wait for the next one!
Seriously, thank you for doing all of this.
The most aggravating thing in the world is going to a forum, reading 60 pages, with 0 resolve.
You'll have 3 people arguing off topic, 2 battling out saying their set up did X and Y, and neither of them will have definitive data.
If there is a way to get you into a research position somewhere in engineering, I'd sign the petition.
Lollll @ the description of the forums, so true
Congrats miata dad!
I’m glad You did it !
This is The best miata Channel on TH-cam for sure.
Good luck 🍀 🙏
Toby is the man, he’s worked on my brothers and my Miata. Absolutely amazing guy👍🏼
Holy! Man this is incredible. Inspired me to go the route of a 6258 and a Kraken setup through Fab9 before this came out. It’ll still be better for my application but man does it give me ideas. Thanks for always putting out such quality content. ❤️
Congratulations Miata dad. My heart jumped with you at that 497. Such a thing of beauty.
I’m stoked to see that 500 horse pull!
Cheers!
Good video dude. Glad to see you finally graduate to the 6758. I'm stuck until I do trans/diff upgrades at 430whp, artificially kept my tq down in low rpms to keep my driveline alive... Love the data unload at the end.
I absolutely loved the video Greg,
great to see you working on old red again, great comparison too.
Can only imagine how many folks you made happy by checkin these two out back to back👍🏻
Well done Greg! Thanks for putting in the time and effort to gather data like this for us.
Imma say it right now I've never been more excited watching a video than this one right here. After what feels like such a long time the red car is finally back, and with truly massive numbers too! That 500 is totally yours Greg! What a freaking insane build.
This is epic bro! Hell yeah
OHHH BOY HERE WE GO
holy crap :D also great transition to your desk
Your videos get better and better! Keep it up, you're an inspiration!
Excellent video! All this knowledge and planning and parts swapping and money spending and video editing offered to everyone for free! You are a great man!
4:35 you know what else is hotly debated online: why Miata Dad doesn't have more subs! Great video as always, thank you for the in-depth look and comparing of datasets instead of clickbait and not answering the title of the video like some other channels do.
Incredible! I have a Kraken low mount and EFR. Taking that thing off and swapping out your 6258 for the 6758 during a dyno session is no joke, and exactly why I'm buying you a gallon of E85. Mad respect, Greg. Thanks for the awesome data. You're an inspiration.
Lol when you paused and gave that little speech after the 1st good dyno pull.... I could feel that pain. Its literally ALWAYS something. Ugh. I felt that. Anyways, congrats on the new turbo, AMAZING video and thanks for doing this comparison. Ive always wondered about this comparison and more recently have been leaning toward the 6758. Appreciate ya
Eyeballing these turbos for my car, thanks for the video. edit: 3% lag and 60-80hp difference. Amazing! ty.
Nice one Greg, so happy for you that it worked out, heres hoping for 550. Also shame on you, boost out-of controller, for hitting that dislike button!
Fair play thats crazy fast in a mx5!😆 I can fully appreciate all the work that goes into your videos just for the benefit of us the viewers, nice one! 🤙🏼
Hey Craig, the you in the video told me to remind you to keep producing badass content like this.
Amazing work and amazing results! You mentioned the entire fuel system needs upgrading. When do the hard fuel lines become a limiting factor? I'm thinking of the fuel lines that run between the fuel pump/tank and the engine bay.
This video was amazing. Been looking for something like this for years. Well done. Subscribed.
Congratulations! Impressive results, and love the detailed content. Looking forward to see how far beyond 500whp you'll achieve.
What a sick ass video. I can't wait to see what my 7163 split pulse setup feels like on my sleeved mazworx sr20det. This channel rocks!
Wow truly your best video yet to me! So well documented, well deserved on the result!! 👌
I am a simple man, Greg makes a new video, I open my wallet and buy even more parts for my turbo build I haven't finished yet. Congrats my dude!
i want that 500whp video! Now!
Congrants man!
AWESOMENESS BROTHER !!!! congrat!!!! Dam bro u sent that into outer space!!!!!
Thank you for the awesome content! Since I put a turbo on my civic these things are always nice to watch.
Thank you for your contributions to the Miata community Greg!
I worked through a similar decision process with mine, without the benefit of a clear back to back test, and chose the 6758. The car (vvt engined Mx5) is now tuned comfortably north of 450hp.
Super impressed how responsive that 6758 is,
Keep up all this fantastic content!
Great video. Exactly what I was looking for before I ordered my 6758.
Phenomenal video! Thank you for taking the time (and the data logs) to present all this information so concisely. Whilst my days of MX5 ownership are behind me (for now), this level of detail is fascinating to anyone who is looking to further their understanding of turbo setups, boost threshold and response.
Man I just want to say how much I appreciate your videos giving me inspiration for what my Miata could become
Wish I saw your channel earlier. This is exactly what I look for in a TH-cam video. New subscriber here!
Nice job Sir…that’s a lot of work and to give it away is priceless👊🏻
Bro you made my day!Gongrats and be strong doing what you Love and make us all Happy!!
first time watcher, going to have to dig through all your videos now. love the detailed analysis and the back to back testing 🤘
Greg, we NEED you to post a driving/sound video of the Miata with the new turbo and power levels.
wow the data i just got learnt! thanks for putting in the work and showing us the data
Congrats Greg! Keep the videos coming...
Hands down best TH-cam channel I’m subscribed to. Greg you are a fu***ng legend. My children’s children will know your name 😂
That droping joke had me jumpin' !!😱
Great video, the more info the better :) . Do you log the speed on the new turbo? Would be interesting to see where your at now. You clearly showed how important the efficieny is, and why pushing a too small turbo to the limits might not be the best solution. I did many turbo tests in OEM labs developing turbo systems, even in multi million dollar test cells rerunning the base line is kind of important(though chasing smaller differences) , cred to you for doing it!
I actually had a few minutes about comp speed edited into this video and I had to take it out. I made an error, I didn't realize the 6258 has a 14 blade compressor and the 6758 has a 12 blade, so even though it was reading 133k, it should actually be around 154k, which is the limit of the 6758. This turbo is very near to its limit at 500, but I'm certainly at least going to take it for a re-tune with the bigger fuel system and see if I can't find just 2.4whp somewhere.
thank you for everything you do and all the effort man :) CONGRATS ON THE POWER RECORD!!
BROOOO THE FINAL NUMBER IMA SHED A TEAR 😩😩
10/10. Love these videos and your dedication over all these years. Absolutely love seeing how well these borgwarner turbos perform! Thank you for such detailed information
Fucking incredible. You didn't dissapoint :)
Dude you’re the goat for this video, insane!
Thank you for doing all of this research and providing us with a gratuitous amount of data and information!
Miata Monday! Woohoo!
Listening to this while swapping the rear right knuckle on my NA is quite something.
Awesome content, it’s a lot of work on your part and I couldn’t imagine the hours spent analyzing , editing , and at the dyno, keep it up it’s amazing
Job well done I was also curious about those turbos and how they will respond on a similar sized engine. Super thorough, super detailed, super scientific approach to find the difference between them.
Awesome results. Thank you for the effort and sharing.
Wow, just wow!
Thank you for putting all this effort into videos for us to enjoy dude ❤️
AWESOME work, thanks for putting in the effort
Well dang! Now I gotta change up my 404whp 1.6 set up to this 6758! See what it can do! 🤣
Love this. Thanks for putting in so much time.
Brilliant. Thank you!
You may want to mount your extinguisher to the inside driver door so when your first reaction is to 'get out,' it is outside already with you once the door is (left) open and you can react.
Bruh!!!! How sick. Long the long vid too. Keep it up! I dont think dave from speed academy can handle it!
Your videos get better every time!!!
Lapping compound and the drill was genius lol
Congrats Grag!!
Kreigh you are crazy 😂
This is an insanely great way to start a week. Congratulations on the awesome results.
Congrats, Greg! You've done some incredible work here.
Ahh grep seeing this in my watch later list brings me joy. Currently in lockdown so this will help.
the formula for the exhaust is (horsepower/10)+35 (in mm) so 3inch=75mm is good 400hp crank for your hp you need 3,5 which is for 525hp crank, for me you need 3 3/4 at least and for this set up. this is the reason for your pressure build up. nice job again keep the hp rising.
This is such an amazing video Greg, really great data 👌
Well done sir! I have a 6758 on my NC and always wondered what the actual difference was in these... also congrats on a 500 rwhp miata... that thing must be a handful!!!! I LOVE DATA!!!!,
@Alex Kella honestly not sure... never put it on a dyno... been busy racing it as often as possible! :) but it should be well north of 300 at the wheels... I do love the responsiveness of the turbo though...
Has to be the best video IV watched. Spot on Greg
Absolute Miata Practical Science GOAT
Awesome! Just a note, looks like you either misspoke in the video or your article has a typo, but when you compared 0-20 psi times (around 31:41 in the video) from 4500 rpm, you said it was 0.86 and 0.79. These don't match up exactly with what the table in the article says.
I guess there is no such thing as too much power for a miata. Congratulations man, amazing
Awesome video professor. What is the A/R on your turbine housing?
now this is car passion.
Keep it up I want to see it once on a track and see the performance! Because of you I learned what I want to do with my miata and mostly important, HOW to make it. Again, I want to tell you that I love your content!
Congratulations man!
Awesome video
You deserve to be way more well known 😭😭 this is impressive nobody in Jacksonville wants to even tune megasquirt 😂
I have no words other than what a fucking LEGEND!!!
Seeing your reaction in the car was amazing
29:47 miata papa showing everyone that even if you aren't able to show up to the local socal twisties, statistically, he would still take you to gapplebees.
😂😂
Wild in the best ways possible! I love your build and knowledge, great stuff!