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Olivia talks about aphantasia (doesn't know how to pronounce it) and how she's never found something she's passionate about for a prolonged period of time, and Jinn looks very tired and wants to write 3 lines every day, first thing, before even going to the bathroom or pouring himself a cup of coffee. (Insane, if you ask Olivia, who does nothing pre-coffee.)
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Jinn's website: jinnzhong.com
Olivia's website: livhofer.com